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QB transfer possibility?

Glad Cougar

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Jett Duffey, starting QB for Texas Tech, has entered the transfer portal. Not a very good team and he doesn't seem to fit the usual Red Raider QB profile– he actually is a good running quarterback. Duffey did have more yards & TDs, and half the interceptions of Steven Montez, for instance, in significantly fewer passing attempts...and pretty much the same passing stats as Ian Book at Notre Dame and Shea Patterson at Michigan.

I'm really hoping Leach can find his QB from the current roster but he's gone elsewhere for a grad transfer two straight seasons, so you never know.

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not necessary. A transfer QB that is.

Actually, I think bringing in a quality transfer QB makes sense. Why? Because you never pass up an opportunity to upgrade the QB position, and there’s a chance that the loser of Cooper/Cruz battle this Spring may decide to transfer.

Depth is always an illusion.
 
You cannot ignore transfer talent. Leach is responsible for putting the best product on the field that he can. If QBs dont want to compete, try d3.
 
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You cannot ignore transfer talent. Leach is responsible for putting the best product on the field that he can. If QBs dont want to compete, try d3.
I’m not a fan of the transfer thing for the most part. Mostly because I’m old and stubborn. That said, Minshew turned out to be one of my very favorite Cougs.

Watching Griz game right now and at the half they just mentioned that all three Heisman QB finalists are transfers. Shows you what I know, huh?
 
You cannot ignore transfer talent. Leach is responsible for putting the best product on the field that he can. If QBs dont want to compete, try d3.
Yup. Gunner and Cammon should have a huge leg up on anyone they might think of bringing in. If I’m them I’m not worried at all, just as Gordo shouldn’t have worried about GG. If you’ve been competing your ass off you’ve got nothing to worry about.
 
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I’m not a fan of the transfer thing for the most part. Mostly because I’m old and stubborn. That said, Minshew turned out to be one of my very favorite Cougs.

Watching Griz game right now and at the half they just mentioned that all three Heisman QB finalists are transfers. Shows you what I know, huh?

In an offense built around familiarity and execution, it's a major disadvantage to be a transfer. Gubrud wasn't able to beat out Gordo and he's more talented than most of the names kicked around in the portal. Minshew has held his own in the NFL too, the bigger question with him is why East Carolina wasn't able to do more with a pretty talented QB.
 
I’m not a fan of the transfer thing for the most part. Mostly because I’m old and stubborn. That said, Minshew turned out to be one of my very favorite Cougs.

Watching Griz game right now and at the half they just mentioned that all three Heisman QB finalists are transfers. Shows you what I know, huh?

I dont think there is anything wrong with a kid moving on. It is HIS football career. He has 4 seasons to play. There may be some value in competing and sticking it out. I will not fault a kid that moves on cause he wants a better shot at playing.

I think it is disingenuous for men creating generational wealth for their families to chastise kids looking for a better opportunity when coaches do the same thing.

There was no vocal shaming of coaches taking better paying jobs this year. They left they schools for a better opportunity. But kids cant do the same???
 
In an offense built around familiarity and execution, it's a major disadvantage to be a transfer. Gubrud wasn't able to beat out Gordo and he's more talented than most of the names kicked around in the portal. Minshew has held his own in the NFL too, the bigger question with him is why East Carolina wasn't able to do more with a pretty talented QB.
Gubrud missed quite a bit of practice time due to injury. Not sure it’s a given that he wouldn’t have won the job if he had come in completely healthy and stayed that way.

I’m in favor of the transfer portal since it gives the players options they deserve to have. As Biggs pointed out it hypocritical to allow coaches to chase more money with few restrictions while forcing players to live with a decision they made as high school seniors with no recourse.

The transfer portal does cut both ways though. A player with starting talent who finds himself backing up someone better can transfer and improve his prospects. On the other hand, few starters and prospective starters are safe from being bumped by a transferee who happens to be a little better.
 
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Gubrud missed quite a bit of practice time due to injury. Not sure it’s a given that he wouldn’t have won the job if he had come in completely healthy and stayed that way.

I’m in favor of the transfer portal since it gives the players options they deserve to have. As Biggs pointed out it hypocritical to allow coaches to chase more money with few restrictions while forcing players to live with a decision they made as high school seniors with no recourse.

The transfer portal does cut both ways though. A player with starting talent who finds himself backing up someone better can transfer and improve his prospects. On the other hand, few starters and prospective starters are safe from being bumped by a transferee who happens to be a little better.

If youre a starter and someone shows up to take your job, you have the same opportunity to transfer as they did.
 
Gubrud missed quite a bit of practice time due to injury. Not sure it’s a given that he wouldn’t have won the job if he had come in completely healthy and stayed that way.

I’m in favor of the transfer portal since it gives the players options they deserve to have. As Biggs pointed out it hypocritical to allow coaches to chase more money with few restrictions while forcing players to live with a decision they made as high school seniors with no recourse.

The transfer portal does cut both ways though. A player with starting talent who finds himself backing up someone better can transfer and improve his prospects. On the other hand, few starters and prospective starters are safe from being bumped by a transferee who happens to be a little better.
All good points, but I tend to see the QB position differently from all other positions because if you become the starter at WSU...there's no room for #2..especially if they only have one more year to play. The good part of having a transfer with one more year is that if the transfer starts and does a great job..all the other QB's only have to wait one more year. If there were transfers at DE, DT, LB, DB, RB or WR....take them if the coaching staff loves their potential and their reasons for transferring. All those positions have a chance of seeing the field in rotation. It's not that the transfer portal is bad...it's just the specific instance of the QB position going into 2020'. It's unlike the QB position going into 2018'. No one knows how often the "would you like to lead the nation in passing"? scenario is thrown around, but if it's too much...it might be disingenuous itself.
 
Gubrud missed quite a bit of practice time due to injury. Not sure it’s a given that he wouldn’t have won the job if he had come in completely healthy and stayed that way.

I’m in favor of the transfer portal since it gives the players options they deserve to have. As Biggs pointed out it hypocritical to allow coaches to chase more money with few restrictions while forcing players to live with a decision they made as high school seniors with no recourse.

The transfer portal does cut both ways though. A player with starting talent who finds himself backing up someone better can transfer and improve his prospects. On the other hand, few starters and prospective starters are safe from being bumped by a transferee who happens to be a little better.
Regarding Gubrud. I had a conversation with one of his family members during the season. When this season ends I'll share that person's take on why he didn't win the job. It was enlightening and refreshing.
 
I’m not a fan of the transfer thing for the most part. Mostly because I’m old and stubborn. That said, Minshew turned out to be one of my very favorite Cougs.

Watching Griz game right now and at the half they just mentioned that all three Heisman QB finalists are transfers. Shows you what I know, huh?

Here's the deal about the Heisman finalists.....people have known for years that those guys were great athletes that just needed the right situation to flourish in. That's an entirely different situation then, "I saw this guy that nobody's ever heard of that's in the transfer portal and we should look at him". Leach will absolutely pay attention to any truly great player that's available in the portal if that person is interested in WSU. He'd be dumb not too.

WSU doesn't have the resources available to entertain every swingin' dick that puts their name into the portal though. Sometimes it feels like people don't get that. We spend a lot of money developing the players we have. We should only be bringing in players where the coaching staff feels that there is a need....or where the transfer is a significant talent upgrade over what we have.

I'm more open to looking at a transfer portal guy at QB this year because I personally believe that the loser of the Cruz/Cooper sweepstakes is going to leave the program themselves. Because you never know how a player is going to develop so we have to take a QB every year. However, by getting high quality QB's every year, we are almost guaranteeing that we are going to have players transfer away once they feel that playing time is unlikely.
 
Here's the deal about the Heisman finalists.....people have known for years that those guys were great athletes that just needed the right situation to flourish in. That's an entirely different situation then, "I saw this guy that nobody's ever heard of that's in the transfer portal and we should look at him". Leach will absolutely pay attention to any truly great player that's available in the portal if that person is interested in WSU. He'd be dumb not too.

WSU doesn't have the resources available to entertain every swingin' dick that puts their name into the portal though. Sometimes it feels like people don't get that. We spend a lot of money developing the players we have. We should only be bringing in players where the coaching staff feels that there is a need....or where the transfer is a significant talent upgrade over what we have.

I'm more open to looking at a transfer portal guy at QB this year because I personally believe that the loser of the Cruz/Cooper sweepstakes is going to leave the program themselves. Because you never know how a player is going to develop so we have to take a QB every year. However, by getting high quality QB's every year, we are almost guaranteeing that we are going to have players transfer away once they feel that playing time is unlikely.
I don't have an issue with the transfer portal, but I think it's got to be used carefully and with an eye to the long term.

Just like high school recruiting, the primary intent should be to improve the team. There should be essentially zero consideration of whether your redshirt sophomore QB is going to be upset that you brought in another QB - the sophomore still has the opportunity to win the job. If the new guy is better, you just improved the team.

But - if you're bringing in veterans and upper-classmen, especially if it's a player who only has one year, it needs to be players that are ready to play and will have an impact now. And then you get into a bit of a balancing act - do you bring in the game-ready transfer this year and risk having your underclassman bail, so then you have nobody next year? Or, do you go with the underclassman that maybe isn't quite ready this year, and have a veteran starter next year? I don't think there's a firm answer, it's going to be situational and case-by-case.

For our 2020 QB, I think it makes a lot of sense to keep an eye on the transfer portal. We have nobody returning who has ever taken a live snap, so a little insurance seems like a no-brainer. But, right now I don't see anyone in the portal that provides much insurance. Not sure how many of them are actually eligible for 2020 yet, and some of the ones that seem interesting are already committed.

I don't see Jett Duffey as a viable alternative. The knock on him is that he doesn't work hard in practice, which Leach would hate. He also apparently doesn't do film study, which probably limits his potential performance from week to week. Sounds like he just wants to show up for games and be given the ball, but hasn't translated that to success. TD:INT ratio is just over 3:1, and in spite of a decent completion percentage and 350 yards per game he wasn't able to pull out wins. That's not all on him, but I also read that he had a tendency to throw decisive INTs late in close games.
 
I'm more open to looking at a transfer portal guy at QB this year because I personally believe that the loser of the Cruz/Cooper sweepstakes is going to leave the program themselves. Because you never know how a player is going to develop so we have to take a QB every year. However, by getting high quality QB's every year, we are almost guaranteeing that we are going to have players transfer away once they feel that playing time is unlikely.

That's already been stated...by me. In the future, please cite your source. :D
 
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Considering Aaron Angelos is probably the favorite to win the job out of the current group of qbs I hope we bring in a seasoned transfer.
 
Considering Aaron Angelos is probably the favorite to win the job out of the current group of qbs I hope we bring in a seasoned transfer.

I’d like to see some HS film on him. He was 43 tds to 6 picks his junior and senior year at CHA.
 
Not saying this as a slight to Angelos, but nothing on that film jumped out at me. Hit a lot of wide open receivers and threw a lot of jump balls. Good form. Good release. Average wheels at best.

He has a ways to go to climb the depth chart.
 
He was the most impressive QB throughout the season at TNF according to players

Interesting. He didn't really stand out at any of the practices or scrimmages I watched (but then he didn't get as many reps as Cooper or Cruz on those days, either). Good for him! I'm curious what your impression was of him at the practices you watched???
 
I only saw a couple end of the season TNF. Son is friends with some of the players. He asked a couple players which QB looked best on TNF scrimmages and they said prob Angelos. Really high on the Bazille the rb from Florida and WR Gray.
 
I so wish De Laura could grad early and get a spring in. I honestly think with a spring in He could win the job as a true frosh.
 
Based on what you saw who would you say?? I would say that I thought Cooper looked better than Cruz. Just my opinion.
 

Thanks for the assist. He was a good player. The battle this spring will be interesting.

He has a skill set that can win college football games. If not at WSU, he could be a difference maker somewhere.

I am an advocate for kids playing ball. You wanna stick it out and compete, sure thing. Do it. You fee like you have a better shot somewhere else, handle your business like a gentleman and find a new team. No reason to get bent over kids that do both. Just be a good student, player, teammate and get in where you fit in.
 
Based on what you saw who would you say?? I would say that I thought Cooper looked better than Cruz. Just my opinion.

The way that the coaches run practices, I think it's hard to get a good read on the #4, 5, and 6 QBs w/o watching 5 or 6 consecutive practices (which I didn't get to do). Not enough consecutive reps for those guys to get into any kind of rhythm in any single practice and their surrounding and opposing cast is constantly changing. My general impression from the various times I got to watch was that Cooper has progressed a lot from last spring and the most of the three over a given amount of time -- still inconsistent, but showed flashes of things clicking for him. I thought Cruz looked good -- didn't seem to have things fully figured out yet, but he was the most relaxed out there and seemed to be having fun which bodes well. Angelos was probably the most consistent of the three in making the offense work and moving the ball, but he was also working against the youngest players more and not having to react to the faster speed of the 2's (which both Cooper and Cruz got thrown up against). If I had to pick one based on my observations, I'd probably agree with you and say Cooper, but that's based on the amount of progress I've seen so far rather than any head-to-head competition. It's going to be an interesting spring camp in Pullman. (I think it's cool that Angelos has some people talking about him -- TNF is probably a pretty good stage for those guys to show their stuff, and to gauge performance and progress.)
 
The thing that I find interesting about this discussion is the way that so many of you have decided that Cooper (and now Cruz?) are not going to be any good without any real reason. Prior to this season, almost nobody would have guessed that Gordon would have one of the best statistical seasons in WSU history. Nobody could have known that Gardner Minshew, given his past, was going to lead us to 11 wins and end up in the NFL. Yet somehow, we "know" that Cooper and Cruz are lost causes and we need to plan on playing the frickin' walk on? I get it that you are just trying to have a conversation while we wait for the bowl games to happen, but if you think so little of Leach's ability to recruit high school quarterbacks, do you think that he's maybe not our best choice as head coach?
 
It's not out of the question that even John Bledsoe may get some consideration. Leach places a lot of value on experience and– barring a grad transfer again– Bledsoe will have logged the most time in the system. He's the forgotten man because of last year's injury, but he should get a shot to compete this spring.

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Any chance de Laura graduates early and is here for Spring ball? I'm really excited to see what he can do.
 
I'm basing my opinion on what I saw in practice. I predicted Gordon was going to have a great year after I witnessed several practices this past fall in Lewiston. Minshew also looked good the previous fall. Ball was out on time and the offense was consistently moving down the field. From the few practices/TNF sessions neither Cooper and Cruz looked very sharp. Lots of holding the ball too long, incomplete passes and stalled drives. Hopefully this spring there is marked improvement. Just saying the same thing as Leach stated the other day, there is long ways to go before they are ready to be qb1.
 
In general I really don't want to see a transfer coming in.
The other QBs have been in the system long enough and whoever wins out will have Max in the backfield for two more years.
After that then De Laura probably takes over with 3 years left assuming a red-shirt year.
Not a bad scenario at all.
 
In general I really don't want to see a transfer coming in.
The other QBs have been in the system long enough and whoever wins out will have Max in the backfield for two more years.
After that then De Laura probably takes over with 3 years left assuming a red-shirt year.
Not a bad scenario at all.

It all depends on the transfer. If a kid wants to transfer in who is better than the existing kids on our roster, then you say yes. Period.

3 of the 4 QBs on the college football playoff this season are transfers. You don't say no to adding a better QB to your team.
 
In general I really don't want to see a transfer coming in.
The other QBs have been in the system long enough and whoever wins out will have Max in the backfield for two more years.
After that then De Laura probably takes over with 3 years left assuming a red-shirt year.
Not a bad scenario at all.
Especially seeing how our defense got very little help from today's signings, I agree. So far I don't see anything that makes me believe our D will be significantly better next year, so let's let the QBs we have fight it out. Whoever wins gets to learn under fire next season, during a year that is probably already hamstrung by a sub-par defense. Then they're back as a returning and veteran starter in 2021, presumably improved, and still leading a strong offense. Hopefully by then we'll see some improvement on D.
Bringing in another transfer QB just means we're right back here again in a year, with no experienced QB for 2021.
 
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