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Rolo to be compliant, per Seattle Times

He does not fu&&ing get it. Is this how someone managing something worth millions of dollars acts? By not directly answering he is prolonging the circus.

Answering this way is a middle finger to WSU administration. I have a hard time seeing him last long.
one or two shots in the arm. Maybe he means he'll follow the mandate with a middle finger. To his credit....he's doing well in his interviews and definitely knows his players by name. Since we currently have the lowest percentage of players vaccinated..the chances of forfeiting are pretty good at this point.
 
one or two shots in the arm. Maybe he means he'll follow the mandate with a middle finger. To his credit....he's doing well in his interviews and definitely knows his players by name. Since we currently have the lowest percentage of players vaccinated..the chances of forfeiting are pretty good at this point.

WSU has a hard enough times winning games they play. Now they could lose games they dont play.

This is failed leadership.

What would Saban do?
 
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Guys, serious question -- no intended political angle or argumentation here. Does anyone know why Rolovich's situation has been relatively high-profile when there very likely are other coaches who are refusing the vaccine? E.g., is it a function of him being asked a specific question and answering it directly, WSU having relatively stringent policies, a Washington state law issue, or something else? I've been more tuned out on the details of these and other sagas lately due to work issues.

Not being in person at media days.
 
one or two shots in the arm. Maybe he means he'll follow the mandate with a middle finger. To his credit....he's doing well in his interviews and definitely knows his players by name. Since we currently have the lowest percentage of players vaccinated..the chances of forfeiting are pretty good at this point.
Why? Eighty percent, presumably with the lowest rate amongst the freshmen.
 
He does not fu&&ing get it. Is this how someone managing something worth millions of dollars acts? By not directly answering he is prolonging the circus.

Answering this way is a middle finger to WSU administration. I have a hard time seeing him last long.

Winning cures everything but if we lose a game because he gets COVID, I see him getting fired pretty quickly. There is no doubt that he has absolutely zero rope when it comes to on-the-field performance. He will not get the benefit of the doubt that Wulff and Leach got when they had terrible teams in year three (if he even lasts that long). But again, winning cures everything.
 
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Did you check with someone in the biz to confirm? Or is this from your dental hygienist?
No need to I just trust the board spelling bee champion .

it’s ok, there are people who have more knowledge that you different subjects .
 
Winning cures everything but if we lose a game because he gets COVID, I see him getting fired pretty quickly. There is no doubt that he has absolutely zero rope when it comes to on-the-field performance. He will not get the benefit of the doubt that Wulff and Leach got when they had terrible teams in year three (if he even lasts that long). But again, winning cures everything.
Wrong on that note Flat: winning doesnt cure covid--only the vaccine does that.
 
This whole thing has gotten so damn tiresome. Not just Rolo, but all of it. Why is this vaccine so different from every other one that everybody gets when they're a kid to go to school, or part of the battery of stuff the military sticks in your arm after enlistment? If the mRNA thing is the source of unease, there are traditional vaccines out there too. Facebook brainworms getting people killed that don't need to die.
 
This whole thing has gotten so damn tiresome. Not just Rolo, but all of it. Why is this vaccine so different from every other one that everybody gets when they're a kid to go to school, or part of the battery of stuff the military sticks in your arm after enlistment? If the mRNA thing is the source of unease, there are traditional vaccines out there too. Facebook brainworms getting people killed that don't need to die.

One reason- no FDA approval. Normal timeline is 3-5 years. This was less than one. If you want to blame someone, how about Fauci. He killed his credibility with no mask, mask, take the vaccine and no mask, now mask even if you’re vaccinated flip flops. Not to mention funding the Wuhan lab and gain of function and trying to deny it.
 
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Oh public messaging on this virus has been miserable, and the nature of it makes it open to being a problem that way. If it killed people the way Ebola kills people, there would not be so much bickering about severity and so on. I'm not that troubled about the FDA thing because a lot of the reason for the normal timeline is attached to bureaucratic processes that don't get accelerated because the virus is like, HPV or something that isn't overwhelming the healthcare system, so the resources aren't dumped into it the same way. Here in Australia the big worry is about the blood clotting side effect attached to the Astra Zeneca vaccine. It only happens in like a 2 in a million chance, but it CAN happen, so it's resulted in a lot of back and forth from health officials here and in Europe about who should take it and so on. Disinfo merchants LOVE them some ambiguity. RFK Jr and that asshole that wrote the Lancet article have a LOT to answer for
 
One reason- no FDA approval. Normal timeline is 3-5 years. This was less than one. If you want to blame someone, how about Fauci. He killed his credibility with no mask, mask, take the vaccine and no mask, now mask even if you’re vaccinated flip flops. Not to mention funding the Wuhan lab and gain of function and trying to deny it.
Do you have "proof" of that last gem? Yes, Fauci is the heel here. Gotta have a foil so you can distort how the process of medical advice is disseminated. That's all I have to say about that.
 
Oh public messaging on this virus has been miserable, and the nature of it makes it open to being a problem that way. If it killed people the way Ebola kills people, there would not be so much bickering about severity and so on. I'm not that troubled about the FDA thing because a lot of the reason for the normal timeline is attached to bureaucratic processes that don't get accelerated because the virus is like, HPV or something that isn't overwhelming the healthcare system, so the resources aren't dumped into it the same way. Here in Australia the big worry is about the blood clotting side effect attached to the Astra Zeneca vaccine. It only happens in like a 2 in a million chance, but it CAN happen, so it's resulted in a lot of back and forth from health officials here and in Europe about who should take it and so on. Disinfo merchants LOVE them some ambiguity. RFK Jr and that asshole that wrote the Lancet article have a LOT to answer for

Interesting that you say "Here in Australia", meaning that you live in Australia, and that no matter what Australia does: MILITIARY CRACKDOWN LOCKDOWNS, ORDERS, VACCINES, ETC, that Australia's number of cases continues to SKY ROCKET UP.

So what does that prove?

That NONE of these measures will stop the virus, and that Covid cases will continue to spread.

But despite all those record number of cases going up, HOSPITALIZATION rate, and MORTALITY rate is EXTREMELY LOW, LOWER THEN FLU THAT TYPICALLY KILLS 80k a year PRE Covid.

Just about 17,18,19,20 have died, and only about 150 to 250 to 350 to 500 have been hospitalized OUT OF ABOUT 5000 TO 7000 TO 10,000 cases the last month.

That's such a INFINITESSIMALLY SMALL PERCENT, mortality rate, percent, that cant do the math in head, so it's about .0001% of 1%.

In fact these people in Australia have a greater chance of LITERALLY BEING STRUCK BY LIGHTENING AND DYING OF A LIGHTNING STRIKE, then they do of dying from Covid.

Now the Vaccines could have helped have lower Mortality rate some.

But it all can't be attributed to Vaccination, since Australia is struggling to vaccinate the population.

So what is causing such a extremely low mortality, hospitalization rate:

1. Better treatment, diagnosis, recognition, medicine, etc

2. Better prepared. They are not unprepared.

3. COVID IS ONLY JUST ABOUT 2,3 TIMES WORSE THEN THE FLU

4. Vaccination. Note that Vaccination comes in last place because of struggling to vaccinate people.

So what does this show?

That all the Vaccination, Mask, lockdown measures, etc, that Australia is doing is UTTERLYZ COMPLETELY USELESS.

So then why does the Australian government leaders do this, continue to do this?

For the same reasons the USA leaders do this:

1. FEAR

2. POLITICS

3. MISINFORMATION

4. MISINTERPRETATION

5. FAULTY SCIENCE, ETC

6. LYING

7. POWER CONTROL

8. CORRUPTION.
 
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Interesting that you say "Here in Australia", meaning that you live in Australia, and that no matter what Australia does: MILITIARY CRACKDOWN LOCKDOWNS, ORDERS, VACCINES, ETC, that Australia's number of cases continues to SKY ROCKET UP.

So what does that prove?

That NONE of these measures will stop the virus, and that Covid cases will continue to spread.

But despite all those record number of cases going up, HOSPITALIZATION rate, and MORTALITY rate is EXTREMELY LOW, LOWER THEN FLU THAT TYPICALLY KILLS 80k a year PRE Covid.

Just about 17,18,19,20 have died, and only about 150 to 250 to 350 to 500 have been hospitalized OUT OF ABOUT 5000 TO 7000 TO 10,000 cases the last month.

That's such a INFINITESSIMALLY SMALL PERCENT, mortality rate, percent, that cant do the math in head, so it's about .0001% of 1%.

In fact these people in Australia have a greater chance of LITERALLY BEING STRUCK BY LIGHTENING AND DYING OF A LIGHTNING STRIKE, then they do of dying from Covid.

Now the Vaccines could have helped have lower Mortality rate some.

But it all can't be attributed to Vaccination, since Australia is struggling to vaccinate the population.

So what is causing such a extremely low mortality, hospitalization rate:

1. Better treatment, diagnosis, recognition, medicine, etc

2. Better prepared. They are not unprepared.

3. COVID IS ONLY JUST ABOUT 2,3 TIMES WORSE THEN THE FLU

4. Vaccination. Note that Vaccination comes in last place because of struggling to vaccinate people.

So what does this show?

That all the Vaccination, Mask, lockdown measures, etc, that Australia is doing is UTTERLYZ COMPLETELY USELESS.

So then why does the Australian government leaders do this, continue to do this?

For the same reasons the USA leaders do this:

1. FEAR

2. POLITICS

3. MISINFORMATION

4. MISINTERPRETATION

5. FAULTY SCIENCE, ETC

6. LYING

7. POWER CONTROL

8. CORRUPTION.
Your numbers are not accurate. According to Worldometer, Australia's death rate is .023 of total cases (978/43,123). Yesterday it was .004 (3/708) but that isn't an accurate account based on those 3 deaths are likely attributed to the daily case number from about 3 weeks ago.

The flu also doesn't kill an average of 80+k each year. According to the CDC, the average over the past decade in the uSA is about 36k.

Also the flu isn't only about 2 to 3 times less severe. The rate of deaths in the uSA is about 10+ times the death rate for the flu and I'm going to assume hospitalizations are also roughly the same. So by that standard, this is 10 times worse than the flu.

We also need to stop thinking about this as the original same old covid19. Delta, although clearly related, is behaving like and extracting a toll on us as if it were completely new. We went over 1000 dead again yesterday and 150k plus cases. About 2 months ago we were under 12k daily cases and under 300 deaths. We also went from under 3k listed as "serious or critical" to over 21k today.

Don't tell me your personal health decisions in this area only affect you (not directed at you, Mik). That's all I have to say about that.
 
One reason- no FDA approval. Normal timeline is 3-5 years. This was less than one. If you want to blame someone, how about Fauci. He killed his credibility with no mask, mask, take the vaccine and no mask, now mask even if you’re vaccinated flip flops. Not to mention funding the Wuhan lab and gain of function and trying to deny it.
Why do you think it takes 3-5 years ? Why did this study take less?
 
Do you have "proof" of that last gem? Yes, Fauci is the heel here. Gotta have a foil so you can distort how the process of medical advice is disseminated. That's all I have to say about that.

Krusty is indeed a clown.

 
Krusty is indeed a clown.

Do you seriously consider this "proof"? Did you read the entire article? I DO, however give you credit for at least linking something you thought supported your claim that fauci supported "gain of function". Thank you for that. It was in good faith, I'll assume. In case you missed it through the long analysis, it ends with this:

Perlman told us that he thought Fauci’s response in the May 11 exchange was correct — that no money was given for gain-of-function research. But, he added, there’s a scientific discussion to be had on the benefits and risks of research making recombinant viruses, which involves rearranging or combining genetic material. The politicization of the issue, Perlman said, “doesn’t do anybody good.”

There are several other passages within the article that I can happily paste that DO NOT support your belief that Fauci was lying to Paul. You have your "belief" of suspicion or hunch, but no solid proof. I'll add that perhaps it did happen. I'm open to new information all the time. Please bring more solid new information. Taihtsat
 
Do you seriously consider this "proof"? Did you read the entire article? I DO, however give you credit for at least linking something you thought supported your claim that fauci supported "gain of function". Thank you for that. It was in good faith, I'll assume. In case you missed it through the long analysis, it ends with this:

Perlman told us that he thought Fauci’s response in the May 11 exchange was correct — that no money was given for gain-of-function research. But, he added, there’s a scientific discussion to be had on the benefits and risks of research making recombinant viruses, which involves rearranging or combining genetic material. The politicization of the issue, Perlman said, “doesn’t do anybody good.”

There are several other passages within the article that I can happily paste that DO NOT support your belief that Fauci was lying to Paul. You have your "belief" of suspicion or hunch, but no solid proof. I'll add that perhaps it did happen. I'm open to new information all the time. Please bring more solid new information. Taihtsat

Clearly you did not read the entire article.
 
Interesting that you say "Here in Australia", meaning that you live in Australia, and that no matter what Australia does: MILITIARY CRACKDOWN LOCKDOWNS, ORDERS, VACCINES, ETC, that Australia's number of cases continues to SKY ROCKET UP.

So what does that prove?

That NONE of these measures will stop the virus, and that Covid cases will continue to spread.

But despite all those record number of cases going up, HOSPITALIZATION rate, and MORTALITY rate is EXTREMELY LOW, LOWER THEN FLU THAT TYPICALLY KILLS 80k a year PRE Covid.

Just about 17,18,19,20 have died, and only about 150 to 250 to 350 to 500 have been hospitalized OUT OF ABOUT 5000 TO 7000 TO 10,000 cases the last month.

That's such a INFINITESSIMALLY SMALL PERCENT, mortality rate, percent, that cant do the math in head, so it's about .0001% of 1%.

In fact these people in Australia have a greater chance of LITERALLY BEING STRUCK BY LIGHTENING AND DYING OF A LIGHTNING STRIKE, then they do of dying from Covid.

Now the Vaccines could have helped have lower Mortality rate some.

But it all can't be attributed to Vaccination, since Australia is struggling to vaccinate the population.

So what is causing such a extremely low mortality, hospitalization rate:

1. Better treatment, diagnosis, recognition, medicine, etc

2. Better prepared. They are not unprepared.

3. COVID IS ONLY JUST ABOUT 2,3 TIMES WORSE THEN THE FLU

4. Vaccination. Note that Vaccination comes in last place because of struggling to vaccinate people.

So what does this show?

That all the Vaccination, Mask, lockdown measures, etc, that Australia is doing is UTTERLYZ COMPLETELY USELESS.

So then why does the Australian government leaders do this, continue to do this?

For the same reasons the USA leaders do this:

1. FEAR

2. POLITICS

3. MISINFORMATION

4. MISINTERPRETATION

5. FAULTY SCIENCE, ETC

6. LYING

7. POWER CONTROL

8. CORRUPTION.
Interestingly, last year, Melbourne got up to about 700 cases a day, so we shut everything down, and got cases to zero. ZERO. Without vaccines. Opened back up completely. Every state except NSW saw what we did, learned from our mistakes, locked down hard for 3 to 7 days at the hint of an outbreak, and mostly managed to stay open, while we waited for vaccines. Then Delta hit Sydney, and all the measures there split hairs: oh this block is fully locked down but this block has only these other restrictions, this half of the shop has 'essentials' but the other have doesn't so that half is roped off, etc etc, so the guidance is half-assed and worthless because delta spreads like chicken pox and the state gov't convinced everyone that lockdowns are unnecessary and for pussies. So now the ICUs can gradually fill there too, so that people that need cancer treatments or a heart bypass or get in car accidents can suffer and die waiting for beds so other morons can die with pride for like, the stock market. Yeah dude, we get it, it's all a conspiracy, especially the parts that are in all caps.
 
Your numbers are not accurate. According to Worldometer, Australia's death rate is .023 of total cases (978/43,123). Yesterday it was .004 (3/708) but that isn't an accurate account based on those 3 deaths are likely attributed to the daily case number from about 3 weeks ago.

The flu also doesn't kill an average of 80+k each year. According to the CDC, the average over the past decade in the uSA is about 36k.

Also the flu isn't only about 2 to 3 times less severe. The rate of deaths in the uSA is about 10+ times the death rate for the flu and I'm going to assume hospitalizations are also roughly the same. So by that standard, this is 10 times worse than the flu.

We also need to stop thinking about this as the original same old covid19. Delta, although clearly related, is behaving like and extracting a toll on us as if it were completely new. We went over 1000 dead again yesterday and 150k plus cases. About 2 months ago we were under 12k daily cases and under 300 deaths. We also went from under 3k listed as "serious or critical" to over 21k today.

Don't tell me your personal health decisions in this area only affect you (not directed at you, Mik). That's all I have to say about that.
Yeah, it's just like the flu, because every hospital system is overwhelmed every flu season. I forgot about those days
 
And you apparently think that even in that season that article says was worse than 15-20 previous flu seasons is on the same scale as what COVID is doing?
Please show me where I said that. I’ll wait patiently.
 
Clearly you did not read the entire article.
Here's a breakdown for you from the link YOU provided:

So, did the NIH’s grant to EcoHealth fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab? There are differing opinions on that. As noted above, whether research is “likely” or “reasonably anticipated” to enhance transmissibility can be subjective.

EcoHealth and the NIH and NIAID say no. “EcoHealth Alliance has not nor does it plan to engage in gain-of-function research,” EcoHealth spokesman Robert Kessler told us in an email. Nor did the grant get an exception from the pause, as some have speculated, he said. “No dispensation was needed as no gain-of-function research was being conducted

Also....

The NIAID told the Wall Street Journal: “The research by EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. that NIH funded was for a project that aimed to characterize at the molecular level the function of newly discovered bat spike proteins and naturally occurring pathogens. Molecular characterization examines functions of an organism at the molecular level, in this case a virus and a spike protein, without affecting the environment or development or physiological state of the organism. At no time did NIAID fund gain-of-function research to be conducted at WIV

Also...

And in a May 19 statement, NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins said that “neither NIH nor NIAID have ever approved any grant that would have supported ‘gain-of-function’ research on coronaviruses that would have increased their transmissibility or lethality for humans.

I can do this all day! I question if you even know what you are arguing here.
 
Please show me where I said that. I’ll wait patiently.
You posted it and nothing else in response to post that stated “Yeah, it's just like the flu, because every hospital system is overwhelmed every flu season. I forgot about those days.” So it was reasonable assumption that you were trying to rebut the point Random Soul was making and suggesting that article rebutted the point. If you are not citing that article for that position, then you fail to rebut the point.
 
Here's a breakdown for you from the link YOU provided:

So, did the NIH’s grant to EcoHealth fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab? There are differing opinions on that. As noted above, whether research is “likely” or “reasonably anticipated” to enhance transmissibility can be subjective.

EcoHealth and the NIH and NIAID say no. “EcoHealth Alliance has not nor does it plan to engage in gain-of-function research,” EcoHealth spokesman Robert Kessler told us in an email. Nor did the grant get an exception from the pause, as some have speculated, he said. “No dispensation was needed as no gain-of-function research was being conducted

Also....

The NIAID told the Wall Street Journal: “The research by EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. that NIH funded was for a project that aimed to characterize at the molecular level the function of newly discovered bat spike proteins and naturally occurring pathogens. Molecular characterization examines functions of an organism at the molecular level, in this case a virus and a spike protein, without affecting the environment or development or physiological state of the organism. At no time did NIAID fund gain-of-function research to be conducted at WIV

Also...

And in a May 19 statement, NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins said that “neither NIH nor NIAID have ever approved any grant that would have supported ‘gain-of-function’ research on coronaviruses that would have increased their transmissibility or lethality for humans.

I can do this all day! I question if you even know what you are arguing here.
Look, Rand Paul said that gain of function research was being done, it must be true
 
You posted it and nothing else in response to post that stated “Yeah, it's just like the flu, because every hospital system is overwhelmed every flu season. I forgot about those days.” So it was reasonable assumption that you were trying to rebut the point Random Soul was making and suggesting that article rebutted the point. If you are not citing that article for that position, then you fail to rebut the point.

Should I continue waiting patiently? Or should you keep assuming?
 
Look, Rand Paul said that gain of function research was being done, it must be true
Dr. Ebright says so. If you spend the time to think about it, you might too. Regardless of what Rand Paul says or doesn’t say.
 
Here's a breakdown for you from the link YOU provided:

So, did the NIH’s grant to EcoHealth fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab? There are differing opinions on that. As noted above, whether research is “likely” or “reasonably anticipated” to enhance transmissibility can be subjective.

EcoHealth and the NIH and NIAID say no. “EcoHealth Alliance has not nor does it plan to engage in gain-of-function research,” EcoHealth spokesman Robert Kessler told us in an email. Nor did the grant get an exception from the pause, as some have speculated, he said. “No dispensation was needed as no gain-of-function research was being conducted

Also....

The NIAID told the Wall Street Journal: “The research by EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. that NIH funded was for a project that aimed to characterize at the molecular level the function of newly discovered bat spike proteins and naturally occurring pathogens. Molecular characterization examines functions of an organism at the molecular level, in this case a virus and a spike protein, without affecting the environment or development or physiological state of the organism. At no time did NIAID fund gain-of-function research to be conducted at WIV

Also...

And in a May 19 statement, NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins said that “neither NIH nor NIAID have ever approved any grant that would have supported ‘gain-of-function’ research on coronaviruses that would have increased their transmissibility or lethality for humans.

I can do this all day! I question if you even know what you are arguing here.

If you can do it all day, keep going. It will probably take that long if you’re expecting NIAID to admit funding gain of function. Thankfully, Fauci has already told us that Dr. Baric was not doing gain of function, but if he was he was doing it within the guidelines.
 
If you can do it all day, keep going. It will probably take that long if you’re expecting NIAID to admit funding gain of function. Thankfully, Fauci has already told us that Dr. Baric was not doing gain of function, but if he was he was doing it within the guidelines.
You're adorable! Let's review...You said this about Fauci and implied he should be fired:

"Not to mention funding the Wuhan lab and gain of function and trying to deny it"

I asked for "proof" since the one making the claim has the burden of proof. You linked to an analysis which did not provide any proof, just opinion from a Baric, Ebright, Chan and the communications director for Rand Paul. Also cited were a Perlman and Esvelt. Only Ebright is definitive in his position, the others are nuanced or are completely disputing what YOU believe and posted. Even Baric (cited by Paul as evidence during questioning of fauci) said:

Our work was approved by the NIH, was peer reviewed, and P3CO reviewed,” meaning reviewed under the HHS 2017 framework. “We followed all safety protocols, and our work was considered low risk because of the strain of coronaviruses being studied. It is because of our early work that the United States was in a position to quickly find the first successful treatment for SARS-CoV-2 and an effective COVID-19 vaccine.”

Also, under your scenario, who would/SHOULD be held accountable? The Obama administration paused funding for this kind of research in 2014. The trump administration (your boy) reinstated it in 2017.

So we wait for your "proof" that - as you claim, that "Fauci (should be fired for)...funding the wuhan lab and gain of function and trying to deny it".

Counselor, I would suggest you do not present exhibits that do not support your claims. That's all I have to say about that.
 
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