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If you're Chun, you're going to give your most high-profile hire every single mulligan and benefit of the doubt to be successful because - of course - it reflects on you as well. It will come down to either performance on the field (results) or something as bad as Baylor level under Briles (see you in hell) to pull the plug. That's all I have to say about that.
 
KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
If you're Chun, you're going to give your most high-profile hire every single mulligan and benefit of the doubt to be successful because - of course - it reflects on you as well. It will come down to either performance on the field (results) or something as bad as Baylor level under Briles (see you in hell) to pull the plug. That's all I have to say about that.
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It isnt a long list of ADs that get to hire 3 HFC’s. I dunno that anyone saw this coming. I would prob give Chun the benefit of the doubt on the Rolo hire as he seemed blind sided by this.

If WSU has to fire Rolo per the gov’s mandate, imo, that isnt on Chun. Rolo chose his fate.
 
BiggsCoug said:
It isnt a long list of ADs that get to hire 3 HFC’s. I dunno that anyone saw this coming. I would prob give Chun the benefit of the doubt on the Rolo hire as he seemed blind sided by this.

If WSU has to fire Rolo per the gov’s mandate, imo, that isnt on Chun. Rolo chose his fate.
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Weird mix of events, issues, and unforced errors and odd stances with Rolo. Him being a bit of a character and oddball (as was known when Chun hired him, but which seemed to manifest more in things like wearing a clown suit to a spring game and the like, and which evoked Price a bit) would not lead me to think he would have the particular issues he has, but when a coach is an oddball or "character," it inherently runs some risk of the coach not toeing a party line or doing what makes sense. There can be benefits, especially in Pullman, but there are risks, too. Chun is finding that out in unexpected ways.

Different but related topic ... it's not an excuse for anything he has done, especially the vaccine stance, but I'm trying to picture some other coaches, such as WSU's past coaches, in situations like dealing with COVID-19, the United movement, the transfer portal, intraconference transfers without penalty, players getting paid, and being recorded illegally by a player who (perhaps) is trying to emulate Kaep.

I go back and forth between thinking a good coach who is respected by his players wouldn't have particular issues with any of this, provided he exercises common sense and good judgment with his players and the media, and thinking a lot of coaches would get tripped up, especially by something like the Woods illegal wiretap. Odd times and maybe, despite it seeming like he was a forward-thinking players coach when hired, he really is just outdated and out of touch despite, quite disappointingly, him being younger than me.
 
BiggsCoug said:
It isnt a long list of ADs that get to hire 3 HFC’s. I dunno that anyone saw this coming. I would prob give Chun the benefit of the doubt on the Rolo hire as he seemed blind sided by this.

If WSU has to fire Rolo per the gov’s mandate, imo, that isnt on Chun. Rolo chose his fate.
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legally he has to comply with the mandate, I assume. If he doesn't it is tantamount to quitting IMO, no payout etc... he's just gone.
 
425cougfan said:
Weird mix of events, issues, and unforced errors and odd stances with Rolo. Him being a bit of a character and oddball (as was known when Chun hired him, but which seemed to manifest more in things like wearing a clown suit to a spring game and the like, and which evoked Price a bit) would not lead me to think he would have the particular issues he has, but when a coach is an oddball or "character," it inherently runs some risk of the coach not toeing a party line or doing what makes sense. There can be benefits, especially in Pullman, but there are risks, too. Chun is finding that out in unexpected ways.

Different but related topic ... it's not an excuse for anything he has done, especially the vaccine stance, but I'm trying to picture some other coaches, such as WSU's past coaches, in situations like dealing with COVID-19, the United movement, the transfer portal, intraconference transfers without penalty, players getting paid, and being recorded illegally by a player who (perhaps) is trying to emulate Kaep.

I go back and forth between thinking a good coach who is respected by his players wouldn't have particular issues with any of this, provided he exercises common sense and good judgment with his players and the media, and thinking a lot of coaches would get tripped up, especially by something like the Woods illegal wiretap. Odd times and maybe, despite it seeming like he was a forward-thinking players coach when hired, he really is just outdated and out of touch despite, quite disappointingly, him being younger than me.
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We all know that Mike Leach probably would have had a closed room meeting with all his players when he heard about the players united thing and told them all that anyone involved would be gone if he ever heard any of that bullsh!t and that if it leaked to the press, he'd burn every dumbass involved.
 
We might be hoping otherwise, but deep down we all know this is a impending train wreck. The only question is when. Beyond all the bad press, you have the disorganized scrimmages, weak recruiting, the transfers, the inability to take advantage of the transfer portal, three straight Pac-12 losses and the predicted bottom of the North finish. Honestly, what has Rolo done so far that would instill confidence that the program is in good hands?
 
Cougsocal said:
We might be hoping otherwise, but deep down we all know this is a impending train wreck. The only question is when. Beyond all the bad press, you have the disorganized scrimmages, weak recruiting, the transfers, the inability to take advantage of the transfer portal, three straight Pac-12 losses and the predicted bottom of the North finish. Honestly, what has Rolo done so far that would instill confidence that the program is in good hands?
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In other words, consistent with about 80 percent of school history.
 
longtimecoug said:
legally he has to comply with the mandate, I assume. If he doesn't it is tantamount to quitting IMO, no payout etc... he's just gone.
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Which is prob the best case scenario for WSU when it comes to removing a coach and not paying out. The choice is Rolo's. Get vaxed, keep your $3,000,000 per year job. Don't get vaxed, lose your $3,000,000 per year job.
 
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Which is prob the best case scenario for WSU when it comes to removing a coach and not paying out. The choice is Rolo's. Get vaxed, keep your $3,000,000 per year job. Don't get vaxed, lose your $3,000,000 per year job.
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Still wrong. Compliance with the mandate does not require vaccination.
 
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If Rolovich wins 7-8 he’s fine. He wins 5-6 he’s most likely fine. He wins 3, he could be in trouble. But it really doesn’t matter what the keyboard cowboys think. It’s what the big donors think. If people donated as much as they tweet and post about firing Rolovich we’d be able to pay his buyout, a new coach and the IPF, but they don’t so here we are.
 
Brent H. said:
If Rolovich wins 7-8 he’s fine. He wins 5-6 he’s most likely fine. He wins 3, he could be in trouble. But it really doesn’t matter what the keyboard cowboys think. It’s what the big donors think. If people donated as much as they tweet and post about firing Rolovich we’d be able to pay his buyout, a new coach and the IPF, but they don’t so here we are.
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I agree that keyboard cowboys' opinions don't matter. Some of it doesn't have to do with donors either. Rolovich has to be concerned that WSU now has to figure how much that they may have to pay in lawsuits down the road because he doesn't do a good job of communicating with others. One of the biggest 'issues' that Rolovich has comes down to communication. WSU leadership appeared to not know that he was going to be unvaccinated until he let the world know via tweet. He has a phone conversation with a player that was pissed off enough to record the conversation and he was unaware of the danger.

WSU has to weigh future liability into their decision making. Personally, I've been excited about the Rolovich hire but I'm losing my enthusiasm real fast.
 
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Cougsocal said:
We might be hoping otherwise, but deep down we all know this is a impending train wreck. The only question is when. Beyond all the bad press, you have the disorganized scrimmages, weak recruiting, the transfers, the inability to take advantage of the transfer portal, three straight Pac-12 losses and the predicted bottom of the North finish. Honestly, what has Rolo done so far that would instill confidence that the program is in good hands?
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I think, if the university can't find cause to fire him without paying the buyout, it's going to be the recruiting that ultimately does him in. I don't follow 'cruitin as close as I used to, but 7 commits in September, and not a hint of a commit since June seems...less than ideal.

So, he's either gone the second we have to forfeit a game, or it will be a slow decline into 2-3 win seasons.

Bleak.
 
And articles like this, even if WE think they are unfair, are brutal for recruiting. The only coaches that don't have this article at the ready are the ones who don't need to worry about recruiting against us in the first place.
 
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Flatlandcoug said:
We all know that Mike Leach probably would have had a closed room meeting with all his players when he heard about the players united thing and told them all that anyone involved would be gone if he ever heard any of that bullsh!t and that if it leaked to the press, he'd burn every dumbass involved.
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That sounds about right. Not hard to imagine one of the 100 or so guys in the team meeting room, though, perhaps a 4th-string WR, to flip on the record button on their phone, especially if they were worked up about certain issues from Zoom meetings about the United movement and all the other things that reached peak levels last summer and fall. That's part of what I'm getting at ... not just Leach, but even coaches who had no issues like this, such as Doba or Price, even if we control for eras. It's not like Rolovich was recorded screaming threats toward Woods or his family. IIRC, it wasn't coherent or directed, either purposefully or just reflecting muddled thoughts or expression, but at least possible to frame more as rambling "advice" about not being focused on things other than working to improve as a player and contribute to the team. Seems like a lot of coaches could get tripped up in an environment like today, even though I still think smart coaches who have respect in the locker room generally can avoid problems on these fronts. Not easy or foolproof, though.
 
425cougfan said:
That sounds about right. Not hard to imagine one of the 100 or so guys in the team meeting room, though, perhaps a 4th-string WR, to flip on the record button on their phone, especially if they were worked up about certain issues from Zoom meetings about the United movement and all the other things that reached peak levels last summer and fall. That's part of what I'm getting at ... not just Leach, but even coaches who had no issues like this, such as Doba or Price, even if we control for eras. It's not like Rolovich was recorded screaming threats toward Woods or his family. IIRC, it wasn't coherent or directed, either purposefully or just reflecting muddled thoughts or expression, but at least possible to frame more as rambling "advice" about not being focused on things other than working to improve as a player and contribute to the team. Seems like a lot of coaches could get tripped up in an environment like today, even though I still think smart coaches who have respect in the locker room generally can avoid problems on these fronts. Not easy or foolproof, though.
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Yet, here we are with the only coach who finds himself in these situations, because, of course we are.
 
425cougfan said:
That sounds about right. Not hard to imagine one of the 100 or so guys in the team meeting room, though, perhaps a 4th-string WR, to flip on the record button on their phone, especially if they were worked up about certain issues from Zoom meetings about the United movement and all the other things that reached peak levels last summer and fall. That's part of what I'm getting at ... not just Leach, but even coaches who had no issues like this, such as Doba or Price, even if we control for eras. It's not like Rolovich was recorded screaming threats toward Woods or his family. IIRC, it wasn't coherent or directed, either purposefully or just reflecting muddled thoughts or expression, but at least possible to frame more as rambling "advice" about not being focused on things other than working to improve as a player and contribute to the team. Seems like a lot of coaches could get tripped up in an environment like today, even though I still think smart coaches who have respect in the locker room generally can avoid problems on these fronts. Not easy or foolproof, though.
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The "tone" of the discussion was that the union movement was different than opting out due to covid. I remember Rolovich basically saying that WSU can't afford to pay players.

If you want to say Rolovich's comments were ham handed, it's hard to disagree. However, let's remember that Woods committed a gross misdemeanor recording the call.
 
dgibbons said:
The "tone" of the discussion was that the union movement was different than opting out due to covid. I remember Rolovich basically saying that WSU can't afford to pay players.

If you want to say Rolovich's comments were ham handed, it's hard to disagree. However, let's remember that Woods committed a gross misdemeanor recording the call.
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not only that, but how are you supposed to workout and participate in team activities if you're deathly afraid of getting covid to the point you remove yourself from competition? I'm genuinely curious how that is supposed to work.
 
dgibbons said:
The "tone" of the discussion was that the union movement was different than opting out due to covid. I remember Rolovich basically saying that WSU can't afford to pay players.

If you want to say Rolovich's comments were ham handed, it's hard to disagree. However, let's remember that Woods committed a gross misdemeanor recording the call.
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Gib, I understand your "ham handed" reference. I'm glad that you brought it up, because I've been wanting to comment about it for a while. I'm a little more inclined to be generous in this specific case. Here are some thoughts; not specifically relating to your comments, but more in general terms about what Rolo said.

I listened to what was released...I'm sure many of you did. What I heard was a coach who was attempting to be sincere and honest with a player in his program. He did not simply dictate a course of action; he also attempted to provide some context so the kid would understand the circumstances. I did not, personally, find anything that Rolo said on the call to be misleading or an attempt to cover anyone's *ss...; rather, it struck me as what you would like a coach to do in a controversial situation if it were your kid. He seemed to me to be trying to help the kid understand reality. I can't fault Rolo for anything he said from a factual perspective. From a PR perspective, yes, it could have been phrased or parsed more elegantly. But in this case I am more about content than style, and I did not have a problem with his content.
 
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I can't fault Rolo for anything he said from a factual perspective. From a PR perspective, yes, it could have been phrased or parsed more elegantly.
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FWIW… Pretty sure not many folks consider their personal conversations from a PR perspective. Appropriateness? Yes. But I never heard Rolo be inappropriate on that (illegal) recording.
 
Brent H. said:
If Rolovich wins 7-8 he’s fine. He wins 5-6 he’s most likely fine. He wins 3, he could be in trouble. But it really doesn’t matter what the keyboard cowboys think. It’s what the big donors think. If people donated as much as they tweet and post about firing Rolovich we’d be able to pay his buyout, a new coach and the IPF, but they don’t so here we are.
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If Rolo wins less then 6 games he should get canned for being a crappy coach. Any coach worth their merit should win 6 games minimum with what everyone's favorite AD Pat Chun called one of the most "talented" teams WSU ever.
 
CougSinceBirth said:
If Rolo wins less then 6 games he should get canned for being a crappy coach. Any coach worth their merit should win 6 games minimum with what everyone's favorite AD Pat Chun called one of the most "talented" teams WSU ever.
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Start passing the hat. I'll start the bidding at $3.6M.
 
Brent H. said:
Start passing the hat. I'll start the bidding at $3.6M.
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I've been RoloOut since the day of the hire. Thought it was a very whelmed/lukewarm hire. Willing to give him an honest chance, but if he can't win 6 games this season, it's not the right coach to lead the charge.
 
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cr8zyncalif said:
Gib, I understand your "ham handed" reference. I'm glad that you brought it up, because I've been wanting to comment about it for a while. I'm a little more inclined to be generous in this specific case. Here are some thoughts; not specifically relating to your comments, but more in general terms about what Rolo said.

I listened to what was released...I'm sure many of you did. What I heard was a coach who was attempting to be sincere and honest with a player in his program. He did not simply dictate a course of action; he also attempted to provide some context so the kid would understand the circumstances. I did not, personally, find anything that Rolo said on the call to be misleading or an attempt to cover anyone's *ss...; rather, it struck me as what you would like a coach to do in a controversial situation if it were your kid. He seemed to me to be trying to help the kid understand reality. I can't fault Rolo for anything he said from a factual perspective. From a PR perspective, yes, it could have been phrased or parsed more elegantly. But in this case I am more about content than style, and I did not have a problem with his content.
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At the end of the day, Rolovich wasn't guilty of anything more than being a normal "old school" coach. Even though I disagree with his anti-vaccination stance, in a normal situation, I wouldn't give a crap about it. It sucks that he (and by default, we) has to deal with a confluence of otherwise minor things that add up to something that appears to be a big deal, even if it shouldn't be.
 
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Flatlandcoug said:
At the end of the day, Rolovich wasn't guilty of anything more than being a normal "old school" coach. Even though I disagree with his anti-vaccination stance, in a normal situation, I wouldn't give a crap about it. It sucks that he (and by default, we) has to deal with a confluence of otherwise minor things that add up to something that appears to be a big deal, even if it shouldn't be.
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What makes you think Coach is anti-vax? Did you talk to him, have an email exchange or do you have a recorded phone call? Rolo has not once come out against the vaccine, your anti-vax statement is a stretch.
 
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What makes you think Coach is anti-vax? Did you talk to him, have an email exchange or do you have a recorded phone call? Rolo has not once come out against the vaccine, your anti-vax statement is a stretch.
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"Rolovich had previously said he was not against vaccination and supported the decision of others to receive a COVID-19 vaccine."

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WSU Head Coach Nick Rolovich Says He Intends to Follow Vaccine Mandate

Rolovich previously said he was not going to get the vaccine. On Thursday, he said he plans to follow the mandate made by Washington Gov. Jay Inslee.
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Certain posters need to display their self-proclaimed moral superiority.
 
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dgibbons said:
"Rolovich had previously said he was not against vaccination and supported the decision of others to receive a COVID-19 vaccine."

www.si.com

WSU Head Coach Nick Rolovich Says He Intends to Follow Vaccine Mandate

Rolovich previously said he was not going to get the vaccine. On Thursday, he said he plans to follow the mandate made by Washington Gov. Jay Inslee.
www.si.com www.si.com

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That is f I. Stupid . I don’t say or do because it is “moral superiority . I do it for economic a d community. Reasons . So our kids can live a normal college life . So people don’t lose their jobs. August was a huge slow down in hiring not because it was “top down” but because it is bottom up.
 
Brent H. said:
FWIW worth I've seen doctors recommending blood tests to test for antibodies and recommending shots or boosters off of that.
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Experienced a rather severe case back in March (no hospitalization). Once recovered, my antibodies read that I could scrap with a wuhan bat in a cage match and not get re-infected.
Still took a couple jabs 6-months later per Dr.’s orders, so if I come down w/this motha’fer again, I give up. I’ll be on a flight in the AM, which is like swimming in a Petrie dish, and @ Martin Stadium tomorrow night baby!!
GO COUGS!!!
 
NMBRCRNCHR said:
What makes you think Coach is anti-vax? Did you talk to him, have an email exchange or do you have a recorded phone call? Rolo has not once come out against the vaccine, your anti-vax statement is a stretch.
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I'm sorry, if he isn't willing to take the vaccine, it makes him an anti-vaxxer unless he has a legitimate medical reason not to do it and that's never even been hinted at so far. It's hypocritical for him to suggest that others should take it but it doesn't apply to him for his so far undisclosed reasons.

And for those that say that he doesn't owe us an explanation, I would suggest that if that's his position, perhaps WSU doesn't owe him $3 million per year.

Again, I've rooted for Rolovich since the beginning, but the accumulation of stupidity is getting burdensome.
 
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dgibbons said:
"Rolovich had previously said he was not against vaccination and supported the decision of others to receive a COVID-19 vaccine."

www.si.com

WSU Head Coach Nick Rolovich Says He Intends to Follow Vaccine Mandate

Rolovich previously said he was not going to get the vaccine. On Thursday, he said he plans to follow the mandate made by Washington Gov. Jay Inslee.
www.si.com www.si.com

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Which one is it …. He is going to follow the mandate or he is going to follow the mandate and get the shot. He will not state he is getting the shot .

and I do believe he will
 
CougEd said:
Which one is it …. He is going to follow the mandate or he is going to follow the mandate and get the shot. He will not state he is getting the shot .

and I do believe he will
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He’s waiting for a loophole or an extension of the order. His exemption is going to be scrutinized to the Nth degree as the states highest paid employee so he shouldn’t count on that unless he has a rather non-obvious good reason. If there’s no extension of the order he’ll do J&J on the last day possible in true passive aggressive form.
 
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CougEd said:
Which one is it …. He is going to follow the mandate or he is going to follow the mandate and get the shot. He will not state he is getting the shot .

and I do believe he will
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If he complies with the mandate, he complied with the mandate.
 
I hope he gets vaccinated and keeps it private just to keep messing with everyone. Then, if WSU leaks that he’s been vaccinated, I hope he sues the University.

The amount of virtue signaling on this vax issue; particularly by people who don’t, and never have, given a damn about “the greater good,” is nauseating.
 
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