SDSU back to Mt. West

[95coug]

Predictably, the MWC took SDSU back. And they’re now “expected” to stay for at least 2 years.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ns-member-mountain-west-sides-resolve-dispute

Also read somewhere that there’s now speculation the PAC will stay at 10 teams, because it may provide an advantage in the expanded playoff format, and that even without expansion the new media deal is expected to be similar to the Big 12. Not sure if that’s referring to the total value or to the per school take.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Predictably, the MWC took SDSU back. And they’re now “expected” to stay for at least 2 years.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ns-member-mountain-west-sides-resolve-dispute

Also read somewhere that there’s now speculation the PAC will stay at 10 teams, because it may provide an advantage in the expanded playoff format, and that even without expansion the new media deal is expected to be similar to the Big 12. Not sure if that’s referring to the total value or to the per school take.

This is total BS and I can't believe we have F-ed it up this bad so far. F the playoff format. Who really cares? I don't. I miss the old days, where the bowl system, while flawed, was about the pomp and pageantry of the games. Now it is 100% about being the national champ. Everything else is in the back seat.

 

[longtimecoug]

This is total BS and I can't believe we have F-ed it up this bad so far. F the playoff format. Who really cares? I don't. I miss the old days, where the bowl system, while flawed, was about the pomp and pageantry of the games. Now it is 100% about being the national champ. Everything else is in the back seat.

I miss the old days myself, money has destroyed college football

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

When it came to the meat of the negotiations vs. adding a Group of 5 School. It’s obvious that adding SD State & SMU at this time didn’t move the needle enough on the negotiations table to get the deal done before their MWC deadline.

How it should be, Pac Schools taking care of themselves first & not squeezing in a Group of 5 cause they have a deadline. Not their problem.

Pac Schools Eat First > SD State & SMU

 

[ttowncoug]

My guess is SMU comes in 2024 (Dallas TV market is huge), SDSU in 2025. I still want to get to 14 with Tulane and UNLV.

 

[Cougsocal]

All the talk about market size, Dallas and San Diego, kinda misses the point. It is all about viewership/market share. Sure they are big markets, but no one watches or wants to watch the Aztecs and Mustangs. Their football viewership, combine, is about half ours. And you want them to get a piece of our pie? Hell No! That is why the conference didn't pursue and lock up SDSU when they came begging. It would have been a great deal for them, alone.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

All the talk about market size, Dallas and San Diego, kinda misses the point. It is all about viewership/market share. Sure they are big markets, but no one watches or wants to watch the Aztecs and Mustangs. Their football viewership, combine, is about half ours. And you want them to get a piece of our pie? Hell No! That is why the conference didn't pursue and lock up SDSU when they came begging. It would have been a great deal for them, alone.

Yeah but if SDSU, for instance, came to the PAC the viewership and interest would skyrocket, IMHO. Ya can't look at Mtn West viewership and assume that will translate to PAC viewership. Or butts in seats. How many thousands of Cougs would go down to SD for a late season game? Same with UNLV. And who cares if they suck? Every P5 conference has their patsies.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Yeah but if SDSU, for instance, came to the PAC the viewership and interest would skyrocket, IMHO. Ya can't look at Mtn West viewership and assume that will translate to PAC viewership. Or butts in seats. How many thousands of Cougs would go down to SD for a late season game? Same with UNLV. And who cares if they suck? Every P5 conference has their patsies.

Loyal's reasoning is why I'm fine with SDSU. They will become more relevant quickly and are worth the effort. I struggle more with SMU because of the competition that they face. USC and UCLA are going to rule the LA market but San Diego values its independence enough that I see the 3.3 million people in San Diego County taking a more active interest in the Aztecs.

The Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex is huge but TCU, SMU and North Texas are all there, along with Baylor being just 90 minutes down the road. The 7.5 million people in the DFW are very heavily split in their loyalties already and it's hard to imagine SMU getting a huge share. Being a fish out of water makes it hard to imagine fans getting excited. It's important to remember that Pac-12 games get done at 12:30 am CDT. Oof.

If I had to hold my nose and pick a school, I'd rather see UNLV.

 

[Cougsocal]

Yeah but if SDSU, for instance, came to the PAC the viewership and interest would skyrocket, IMHO. Ya can't look at Mtn West viewership and assume that will translate to PAC viewership. Or butts in seats. How many thousands of Cougs would go down to SD for a late season game? Same with UNLV. And who cares if they suck? Every P5 conference has their patsies.

Skyrocket? Phoenix is a "big market" too, ASU's viewership after 45 years in the Pac -- 312,000 per game, ours 907,000. You are just "hoping," and that isn't a reason to throw money around in a panic. Their is no interest in college sports in San Diego, just look at how dreadful the Holiday Bowl is in terms of community involvement and local attendance after 50 years . It is a beach oriented west coast city, strike one, and no college sport tradition, zero, strike two. The bay area schools don't even get our viewership, that is how uncollege sport crazy Cali is. Cal -- 857,000, Stanford -- 847,000.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Skyrocket? Phoenix is a "big market" too, ASU's viewership after 45 years in the Pac -- 312,000 per game, ours 907,000. You are just "hoping," and that isn't a reason to throw money around in a panic. Their is no interest in college sports in San Diego, just look at how dreadful the Holiday Bowl is in terms of community involvement and local attendance after 50 years . It is a beach oriented west coast city, strike one, and no college sport tradition, zero, strike two. The bay area schools don't even get our viewership, that is how uncollege sport crazy Cali is. Cal -- 857,000, Stanford -- 847,000.

Phoenix isn't the best example for comparison to SDSU but it is a great cautionary tale about the expectation that Las Vegas fans will ever embrace the Rebels. Phoenix is filled with folks that moved in from other parts of the country. They have no geographic loyalty to ASU or UA. SDSU undoubtedly has a lot of folks in the same boat, but I think it's to a lesser degree than Phoenix. Vegas? Filled with people from LA.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Skyrocket? Phoenix is a "big market" too, ASU's viewership after 45 years in the Pac -- 312,000 per game, ours 907,000. You are just "hoping," and that isn't a reason to throw money around in a panic. Their is no interest in college sports in San Diego, just look at how dreadful the Holiday Bowl is in terms of community involvement and local attendance after 50 years . It is a beach oriented west coast city, strike one, and no college sport tradition, zero, strike two. The bay area schools don't even get our viewership, that is how uncollege sport crazy Cali is. Cal -- 857,000, Stanford -- 847,000.

Can't argue your points. But WTF are we supposed to do? PAC 10 ain't gonna cut it. Look at the Big 12. They must have been grasping at straws to invite their latest teams.

Out west there is just not the passion. Fact of life. The only reason the Cougs have such a following is because - well we are Cougs. It's a Coug thing, people don't understand.

 

[95coug]

Yeah but if SDSU, for instance, came to the PAC the viewership and interest would skyrocket, IMHO. Ya can't look at Mtn West viewership and assume that will translate to PAC viewership. Or butts in seats. How many thousands of Cougs would go down to SD for a late season game? Same with UNLV. And who cares if they suck? Every P5 conference has their patsies.

There’s little reason to believe viewership would increase that much. There are plenty of other things to do in both San Diego and Las Vegas, and the passion for football isn’t there. They might get slight bumps, but I seriously doubt it would be enough to be attractive to broadcasters. SDSU and UNLV don’t get big bumps now when they play P5 teams, so why would it happen if they played them every week?

As for fans traveling for games, that’s basically irrelevant. The money is in the broadcast, so it would be better if fans didn’t travel but stayed home and watched on TV. The chambers of commerce would like to see visiting fans, but the conference doesn’t care, and the schools make more on media deals than on gate receipts & concessions…so they don’t care either.

 

[kougkurt]

Coming out now that San Diego State told players last year that they’ve been moving to the Pac12

 

[702coug]

Would love if UNLV would join the PAC ( of course). Bring the Cougs to Allegiant. Their program is turning around as afar as I can tell.

 

[Cougsocal]

Can't argue your points. But WTF are we supposed to do? PAC 10 ain't gonna cut it. Look at the Big 12. They must have been grasping at straws to invite their latest teams.

Out west there is just not the passion. Fact of life. The only reason the Cougs have such a following is because - well we are Cougs. It's a Coug thing, people don't understand.

Why won't the Pac-10 cut it? The last thing we need to do is invite teams that will be a net financial drain for the foreseeable future. You invite teams that the the company paying the TV bill is willing to pay extra for, by extra I mean that results in more net dollars in the remaining 10's pockets, not less. Right now it appears that inviting SMU and SDSU would result in a smaller piece to the pie for the remaining 10, otherwise they would have already received invitations. tOSU and Michigan dominated the midwest market, even those Illinois and Northwestern are the "Chicago market" schools, bear that in mind. Right now, SDSU and SMU are crap products in great markets, and that ain't changing anytime soon.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Can't argue your points. But WTF are we supposed to do? PAC 10 ain't gonna cut it. Look at the Big 12. They must have been grasping at straws to invite their latest teams.

Out west there is just not the passion. Fact of life. The only reason the Cougs have such a following is because - well we are Cougs. It's a Coug thing, people don't understand.

There is no way that WSU is going to get invited to the Big 12 unless it's part of a bigger package deal. UW and Oregon aren't going to the Big 12 unless they have no other choice. Stanford and Cal will not lower themselves to the Big 12 willingly. I can't see the Big 12 being interested in taking WSU and OSU without the other four involved. Then again, West Virginia in the Big 12 is pretty stupid and they did that.

I do wish that the Pac-12 could figure out a way to get SDSU and one other team pulled in but if the current 10 members are better off getting a deal set first and then amending it later, it's what they should do.

 

[Cougsocal]

Phoenix isn't the best example for comparison to SDSU but it is a great cautionary tale about the expectation that Las Vegas fans will ever embrace the Rebels. Phoenix is filled with folks that moved in from other parts of the country. They have no geographic loyalty to ASU or UA. SDSU undoubtedly has a lot of folks in the same boat, but I think it's to a lesser degree than Phoenix. Vegas? Filled with people from LA.

The troubling fact about SDSU is despite their run of success recently (5 10 win seasons over the last decade), Utah State draws more than 50% more viewers 324K vs 198K, despite similar on field performance.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

The troubling fact about SDSU is despite their run of success recently (5 10 win seasons over the last decade), Utah State draws more than 50% more viewers 324K vs 198K, despite similar on field performance.

My guess is that the entire difference is based on Utah State playing Alabama last year.

 

[425cougfan]

Cash is king. I know that as well as anyone when it comes to relevant considerations here. But a "Pac-10" with no presence in California other than a couple of typically irrelevant programs in the Bay Area, and no presence in SoCal, especially with the history of USC being the standard-bearer for football and UCLA (with a touch of Arizona) in basketball, just doesn't work. Nor does trying to recruit against Big Ten teams in SoCal when you can't even tell the kid or his parents you'll be playing games in the region. If it wasn't for the uncertainty with SDSU, and if it was known that they wouldn't be added, this could even be an issue recruiting against some Mountain West programs for some schools.

 

[dgibbons]

All the talk about market size, Dallas and San Diego, kinda misses the point. It is all about viewership/market share. Sure they are big markets, but no one watches or wants to watch the Aztecs and Mustangs. Their football viewership, combine, is about half ours. And you want them to get a piece of our pie? Hell No! That is why the conference didn't pursue and lock up SDSU when they came begging. It would have been a great deal for them, alone.

Right. People seem to focus on schools that want into the Pac-12 instead of schools that would add value to the conference. Missed out on Houston, IMO. SDSU's only value (IMO) is filling in a hole if the conference is at 11, 13 or 15 members.

 

[Stretch 74]

Right. People seem to focus on schools that want into the Pac-12 instead of schools that would add value to the conference. Missed out on Houston, IMO. SDSU's only value (IMO) is filling in a hole if the conference is at 11, 13 or 15 members.

Questions for the board coming. It seems to me that Colorado and Utah were added to the PAC to make it 12 teams in order to have a conference championship game. I may be misremembering, but I thought the NCAA required 12 teams in order to have a championship game. Correct me if I am wrong on that. But if that is indeed the case, what is the extra value to the conference of adding SDSU and whatever other school is picked? Is the value to the league more in the CG rather than in the weekly viewer ratings?

Not claiming it is, but wondering about it.

 

[425cougfan]

Questions for the board coming. It seems to me that Colorado and Utah were added to the PAC to make it 12 teams in order to have a conference championship game. I may be misremembering, but I thought the NCAA required 12 teams in order to have a championship game. Correct me if I am wrong on that. But if that is indeed the case, what is the extra value to the conference of adding SDSU and whatever other school is picked? Is the value to the league more in the CG rather than in the weekly viewer ratings?

Not claiming it is, but wondering about it.

Think that requirement got ditched last year.

 

[Cougsocal]

Cash is king. I know that as well as anyone when it comes to relevant considerations here. But a "Pac-10" with no presence in California other than a couple of typically irrelevant programs in the Bay Area, and no presence in SoCal, especially with the history of USC being the standard-bearer for football and UCLA (with a touch of Arizona) in basketball, just doesn't work. Nor does trying to recruit against Big Ten teams in SoCal when you can't even tell the kid or his parents you'll be playing games in the region. If it wasn't for the uncertainty with SDSU, and if it was known that they wouldn't be added, this could even be an issue recruiting against some Mountain West programs for some schools.

Well, how much of a TV revenue pay cut would you be willing to take to add two teams with little viewership to the conference just to have additional market presence? 300 million split 10 ways is 30 million per year in a 10 team conference. That turns to 25 million when you add two schools w/o viewership like SDSU and SMU. No one in their right mind is going to pay much extra for the pathetic 198,000 viewers per game SDSU has to offer. In theory they are a good add, on paper, however, they suck.

 

[Coug90]

Well, how much of a TV revenue pay cut would you be willing to take to add two teams with little viewership to the conference just to have additional market presence? 300 million split 10 ways is 30 million per year in a 10 team conference. That turns to 25 million when you add two schools w/o viewership like SDSU and SMU. No one in their right mind is going to pay much extra for the pathetic 198,000 viewers per game SDSU has to offer. In theory they are a good add, on paper, however, they suck.

Would be interesting to go back and look at Utahs numbers prior to joining the Pac 12 when they were in the same spot. I’m not disagreeing with your general premise, but I’d expect SDSUs numbers to go up significantly if they joined the conference. Obviously they would for conference games, but non conference as well, solely because they are now a Pac-12 team.

I’m not a fan of the SMU idea…I think UNLV would make more sense than that, and same for UNLV, they would get an instant boost in viewers, alumni interest, etc by joining the conference.

 

[425cougfan]

Well, how much of a TV revenue pay cut would you be willing to take to add two teams with little viewership to the conference just to have additional market presence? 300 million split 10 ways is 30 million per year in a 10 team conference. That turns to 25 million when you add two schools w/o viewership like SDSU and SMU. No one in their right mind is going to pay much extra for the pathetic 198,000 viewers per game SDSU has to offer. In theory they are a good add, on paper, however, they suck.

I can't disagree with you or what DGib wrote. If SDSU doesn't provide value, then they just don't cut it. As insane as it seems to not have a SoCal presence, it's also insane to cut SDSU a full share when it doesn't warrant it.

I struggle a bit knowing that there is a chicken-and-egg thing going on here, though. I am confident Houston would have provided enough value over time once it started playing in games that mattered. SMU, and even more so SDSU, are uncertain. Why would casual fans, or even many alumni, in D/FW watch SMU play South Florida when they can watch UT, A&M, or even TCU playing games that matter? Not to mention the Cowboys. I live in Texas and I haven't been going out of my way to watch SMU playing AAC games, but I usually will watch most other local teams if they're on, in part because there are alumni around here from all those other schools, and in part because I will have just about any football on that I can.

But people in the D/FW area and in Texas generally will watch football that matters, and I know a lot of them would watch SMU playing Big 12 teams. Would they consider playing Pac-12 teams big-time enough to tune in? Generally, it seems reasonable to think they should be, since the Pac-12 is P5 and most of its teams are just as good, but it's not clear-cut. For years, due to Hansen, Scott, and half-assed approaches by Pac-12 schools, people around here view the Pac-12 as inferior, and there is no history other than with CU. Texas fans don't care about most Pac-12 schools, much like how Seattle casual fans don't care about Texas Tech or Baylor, but even more so due to the inferiority, actual and perceived, of football on the west coast.

In SDSU's case, with the Chargers out of the mix, that's somewhat interesting in theory. There should be some room to draw casual fans if SDSU is playing in games that matter, and I think most west coast people would find Pac-12 schools a lot more compelling than people in Texas. I grant that you can't get around the casual nature of most of these west coast cities, though. People around there simply may not give enough of a damn.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I can't disagree with you or what DGib wrote. If SDSU doesn't provide value, then they just don't cut it. As insane as it seems to not have a SoCal presence, it's also insane to cut SDSU a full share when it doesn't warrant it.

I struggle a bit knowing that there is a chicken-and-egg thing going on here, though. I am confident Houston would have provided enough value over time once it started playing in games that mattered. SMU, and even more so SDSU, are uncertain. Why would casual fans, or even many alumni, in D/FW watch SMU play South Florida when they can watch UT, A&M, or even TCU playing games that matter? Not to mention the Cowboys. I live in Texas and I haven't been going out of my way to watch SMU playing AAC games, but I usually will watch most other local teams if they're on, in part because there are alumni around here from all those other schools, and in part because I will have just about any football on that I can.

But people in the D/FW area and in Texas generally will watch football that matters, and I know a lot of them would watch SMU playing Big 12 teams. Would they consider playing Pac-12 teams big-time enough to tune in? Generally, it seems reasonable to think they should be, since the Pac-12 is P5 and most of its teams are just as good, but it's not clear-cut. For years, due to Hansen, Scott, and half-assed approaches by Pac-12 schools, people around here view the Pac-12 as inferior, and there is no history other than with CU. Texas fans don't care about most Pac-12 schools, much like how Seattle casual fans don't care about Texas Tech or Baylor, but even more so due to the inferiority, actual and perceived, of football on the west coast.

In SDSU's case, with the Chargers out of the mix, that's somewhat interesting in theory. There should be some room to draw casual fans if SDSU is playing in games that matter, and I think most west coast people would find Pac-12 schools a lot more compelling than people in Texas. I grant that you can't get around the casual nature of most of these west coast cities, though. People around there simply may not give enough of a damn.

Well I will just keep beating the dead horse. SDSU and UNLV. I mean if the Raiders and now the A's think Vegas is a good locale, why are they dogshit to the PAC?

I was surfing around looking for NCAA TV viewership figures (by team) and am having no luck. If anyone has a good link please share. And when we look at these numbers, what network are these teams broadcast on? Some shit-ass network (AKA Pac-12 Network) or what? I doubt SDSU was on ABC or ESPN very often. Like never?

We just need to throw the dice. What's the worst that could happen? The same thing that will happen if we sit on our hands and watch more teams bail. I mean shit - SDSU just built a new, albeit small, stadium. UNLV plays in the Raiders stadium.

 

[Cougsocal]

Would be interesting to go back and look at Utahs numbers prior to joining the Pac 12 when they were in the same spot. I’m not disagreeing with your general premise, but I’d expect SDSUs numbers to go up significantly if they joined the conference. Obviously they would for conference games, but non conference as well, solely because they are now a Pac-12 team.

I’m not a fan of the SMU idea…I think UNLV would make more sense than that, and same for UNLV, they would get an instant boost in viewers, alumni interest, etc by joining the conference.

Is San Diego more like Phoenix, Tucson or Salt Lake? The Utes at 1.16 million viewers per, are killing it. The Mildcats at 506,000 and the Sun Burns at 314,000 per, are not. Hate to break it to you, Phoenix and Tucson are sport crazy towns compared to a laid back Cali beach town like SD. The sad truth is Cali just isn't interested in the college game. But you know that. 40 million people state wide, 14 million in the greater LA area and the the Ducks had better viewer numbers than Lincoln Riley's USC, I kid you not -- 2.21 million vs. 2.07 million. It gets worse. The Bay area has 7.8 million, 40 million state wide and the Cougs had better viewer numbers than both Stanford and Cal.

It ain't a sexy choice by any means, but Fresno had more 10% more viewers and twice SDSU attendance last year. If you want another Cali school in, the Central Valley would go ape shit over a Pac-10 invite, while greater San Diego is just yawning about it. You want a team that could potentially garner a million viewers per, that's Fresno and the 3.8 million living in the valley in the Pac-10. The valley is the Mid West on the West Coast. I think we should stay at 10 teams for now. I don't think any of them add value, but if expansion is a must have, you have to go with the programs that already have a strong fan base, Fresno, CSU, Boise or try to poach a Big-12 school.

 

[95coug]

Is San Diego more like Phoenix, Tucson or Salt Lake? The Utes at 1.16 million viewers per, are killing it. The Mildcats at 506,000 and the Sun Burns at 314,000 per, are not. Hate to break it to you, Phoenix and Tucson are sport crazy towns compared to a laid back Cali beach town like SD. The sad truth is Cali just isn't interested in the college game. But you know that. 40 million people state wide, 14 million in the greater LA area and the the Ducks had better viewer numbers than Lincoln Riley's USC, I kid you not -- 2.21 million vs. 2.07 million. It gets worse. The Bay area has 7.8 million, 40 million state wide and the Cougs had better viewer numbers than both Stanford and Cal.

It ain't a sexy choice by any means, but Fresno had more 10% more viewers and twice SDSU attendance last year. If you want another Cali school in, the Central Valley would go ape shit over a Pac-10 invite, while greater San Diego is just yawning about it. You want a team that could potentially garner a million viewers per, that's Fresno and the 3.8 million living in the valley in the Pac-10. The valley is the Mid West on the West Coast. I think we should stay at 10 teams for now. I don't think any of them add value, but if expansion is a must have, you have to go with the programs that already have a strong fan base, Fresno, CSU, Boise or try to poach a Big-12 school.

Fresno or SDSU maintains a SoCal presence. That’s their only real benefit. Neither brings significant viewership, and neither is likely to ever rise above the bottom third of the conference in viewers. California just doesn’t care.

 

[Cougini5591]

I'm feeling this to be with the same rationale for us to build a massive/awesome stadium.

Build it... and they will come.

If the Pac-10 grabbed every other team in the Western US to make a MEGA conference with its own playoffs... it would change the game.

Go for a Pac-16 with its own playoffs for a Super Title... played in Las Vegas

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I'm feeling this to be with the same rationale for us to build a massive/awesome stadium.

Build it... and they will come.

If the Pac-10 grabbed every other team in the Western US to make a MEGA conference with its own playoffs... it would change the game.

Go for a Pac-16 with its own playoffs for a Super Title... played in Las Vegas

I assume you are either drunk, joking or both. We can't even fill our 33,000 seat stadium on a regular basis.

That said, I would be fine with not only snagging my favorites (SDSU and UNLV) but also maybe CSU and Fresno State. WTF. The PAC 14.

 

[425cougfan]

I assume you are either drunk, joking or both. We can't even fill our 33,000 seat stadium on a regular basis.

That said, I would be fine with not only snagging my favorites (SDSU and UNLV) but also maybe CSU and Fresno State. WTF. The PAC 14.

"Super Title" is the biggest tell.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I'm feeling this to be with the same rationale for us to build a massive/awesome stadium.

Build it... and they will come.

If the Pac-10 grabbed every other team in the Western US to make a MEGA conference with its own playoffs... it would change the game.

Go for a Pac-16 with its own playoffs for a Super Title... played in Las Vegas

Fck it. Take all of the tier 1 research schools in the Western US. Make it a party and add UTEP and NDSU if they are tier 1 too. Air Force? Sure why not.

Make the focus taking as much real estate as possible. Get all the tv sets you can in the entire Western US.

Make it a 20+ team league. Stop giving a fck about other leagues or other peoples money. They dont care about the Pac 10. Why care about them?

Things will be different when Im in charge.

 

[Cougini5591]

"Super Title" is the biggest tell.

Don't diss a Super Title

 

[Coug90]

Fck it. Take all of the tier 1 research schools in the Western US. Make it a party and add UTEP and NDSU if they are tier 1 too. Air Force? Sure why not.

Make the focus taking as much real estate as possible. Get all the tv sets you can in the entire Western US.

Make it a 20+ team league. Stop giving a fck about other leagues or other peoples money. They dont care about the Pac 10. Why care about them?

Things will be different when Im in charge.

No fair catches. And let the players put whatever they want on the back of their jerseys! No bubble screens allowed either.

 

[425cougfan]

No fair catches. And let the players put whatever they want on the back of their jerseys! No bubble screens allowed either.

Hopefully "HE WHO HATE ME" remains available.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Fck it. Take all of the tier 1 research schools in the Western US. Make it a party and add UTEP and NDSU if they are tier 1 too. Air Force? Sure why not.

Make the focus taking as much real estate as possible. Get all the tv sets you can in the entire Western US.

Make it a 20+ team league. Stop giving a fck about other leagues or other peoples money. They dont care about the Pac 10. Why care about them?

Things will be different when Im in charge.

Not sure I agree with a 20 team league, maybe 16. But it makes some sense to just think about our league, our games, and F-the national title which everyone is fixated on. Just have good football in a fun, competitive league. If the stars align for a team and they compete for the Natty, fine.

I have even less confidence in Kliatkoff after yesterday's media days, and it was already close to zero. About minus 10 now.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Not sure I agree with a 20 team league, maybe 16. But it makes some sense to just think about our league, our games, and F-the national title which everyone is fixated on. Just have good football in a fun, competitive league. If the stars align for a team and they compete for the Natty, fine.

I have even less confidence in Kliatkoff after yesterday's media days, and it was already close to zero. About minus 10 now.

If you do not agree with my posts do not comment on them.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

If you do not agree with my posts do not comment on them.

Geezus Christ dude. I basically agree with your premise, except for the number of teams. Take a F-ing chill pill. Disagreeing is kind of a staple of a message board. No one is going to kneel and pray to everything you post.

If you want Kumbaya, go to Brand X where it is required.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Geezus Christ dude. I basically agree with your premise, except for the number of teams. Take a F-ing chill pill. Disagreeing is kind of a staple of a message board. No one is going to kneel and pray to everything you post.

If you want Kumbaya, go to Brand X where it is required.

If you disagree with my posts, in any way, dont respond.

This is the MI way.

 

[95coug]

If you disagree with my posts, in any way, dont respond.

This is the MI way.

WTH is MI?


I’m more likely to respond if I disagree. Not much to talk about if there’s agreement.