Shaw out at Stanford
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Stanford has the biggest challenge bringing guys in from the Portal. If you're a standout, not only do you need a GPA of 3.9, but a letter from the Governor.
"Shaw expressed Saturday how difficult the new college football landscape, with NIL and the transfer portal, has been for Stanford, but he did not acknowledge that was a reason for his departure.
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"Shaw expressed Saturday how difficult the new college football landscape, with NIL and the transfer portal, has been for Stanford, but he did not acknowledge that was a reason for his departure.
Shaw resigns after 12 seasons as Stanford coach
Stanford head coach David Shaw has resigned after 12 seasons at his alma mater.
Stanford has the biggest challenge bringing guys in from the Portal. If you're a standout, not only do you need a GPA of 3.9, but a letter from the Governor.
"Shaw expressed Saturday how difficult the new college football landscape, with NIL and the transfer portal, has been for Stanford, but he did not acknowledge that was a reason for his departure.
"Shaw resigns after 12 seasons as Stanford coach
Stanford head coach David Shaw has resigned after 12 seasons at his alma mater.
They dont need portal kids. They have tons of 4 star high school players coming. Stanford has no problem getting talented football players, they have lived and died by the QB talent for too long tho….
I’d argue Stanford is the easiest recruiting job in the nation.
1) The academics narrow it for you. Shaw has said “if we think there are 100 kids that can get into Stanford, we’re kidding ourselves.”
2) Much easier to develop relationships when there are less to develop.
3) Name the P5 schools with better academics. WSU of course, but who else?
4) Alumni network
Stanford has a lot going for it. Shaw got away from Harbaugh’s blueprint…
Probably the easiest job in the country to narrow your list of targets but that's not much of an advantage. Stanford may be the best school academically in P5 it's not like there aren't other schools with pretty good academics that minimize this advantage.
Which of these schools is pummeling Stanford in recruiting?
And yes, it is an enormous advantage to have a narrower list of kids. But you have to close.
Pretty good academics aren’t equal to Stanford academics.
You are wrong again. Like always.
Let me give it to you another way . Tell me how Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt are fairing .
Oh … because Stanford fills up the stadium ? Or they place such a high emphasis on football? Or you talking about academic standards ?
Rose Bowls
League titles
All Americans
Pro players
Stanford and Vandy are nothing alike on the field.
I don't agree with Biggs on many things, and I would never call Stanford the easiest recruiting job -- that's more hyperbole -- but what he's talking about is the same thing I've talked about with Stanford at various points. It's not as simple as it being a career killer due to academic standards. Yes, that is tough to deal with, but it also is like a lottery ticket for any kid smart enough to be a realistic candidate to be admitted. Even competing against schools like Michigan, Duke, Virginia, Texas, UCLA, Vandy, and Cal, Stanford is just a tier above all those in terms of degree value, network, and all that.
Now, will a kid smart enough to actually get into Stanford be OK with "just" a Duke or Cal degree? Yeah, of course. But a Stanford degree is valuable as hell. Kids and their families care about that more than 30 and even 10-20 years ago. There aren't many players who can be admitted, but of those who can, the Stanford coach goes into just about any recruiting conversation with a huge edge against just about anyone.
Still really tough to deal with the portal, but most kids aren't going to leave Stanford before they get their degree, at least. I would much rather coach there than other places that have academic hurdles but aren't as elite, like Cal, Duke, Wisconsin, and the like.
Now, will a kid smart enough to actually get into Stanford be OK with "just" a Duke or Cal degree? Yeah, of course. But a Stanford degree is valuable as hell. Kids and their families care about that more than 30 and even 10-20 years ago. There aren't many players who can be admitted, but of those who can, the Stanford coach goes into just about any recruiting conversation with a huge edge against just about anyone.
Still really tough to deal with the portal, but most kids aren't going to leave Stanford before they get their degree, at least. I would much rather coach there than other places that have academic hurdles but aren't as elite, like Cal, Duke, Wisconsin, and the like.
Stanford's strong academic reputation is a positive, but they are recruiting against the Ivy's too. They aren't a no-brainer for any kid. If Academics are his no #1 priority, why not Harvard or Yale? That's a 30 year decision.
Look at Stanford's history. They have had success, but Harbaugh/Shaw provided them with their best run in history outside of Pop Warner.
Definitely recruiting against the Ivies, but that's the thing -- Stanford is the only game in town for kids who want a theoretical shot at "real" big-time football, and the coaching/training/facilities/exposure that go with it, for a truly elite, life-changing degree that will open doors no matter what else you do. If Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and the like had P5 football, it would be a different story. I am not claiming Stanford should be expected to be like Harbaugh / early- to mid-Shaw all the time, but it can land prospects that are way out of the league of most teams in the Pac-12, and when the program isn't a shitshow, it should be able to get whoever it wants with very good academics but who don't want to play small-time ball in the Ivy League. Lots of big TEs, Jedzilla tweener types, elite QBs, bigger LBs, etc. who fit that profile and that is what Harbaugh built around. Not as easy with DBs, RBs, and WRs, but they only need to find a few of those who fit the profile, and there are enough to compete at a high level.
Stanford isn't done being competitive, but the portal era hurts them more than any other team in the conference.
Stanford will have to get it done the traditional way, by developing quality high school recruits. Meanwhile, programs like USC, Oregon, UW, and even WSU will mine the transfer portable to find experienced, plug-n-play pieces to fill their holes.
Stanford will have to get it done the traditional way, by developing quality high school recruits. Meanwhile, programs like USC, Oregon, UW, and even WSU will mine the transfer portable to find experienced, plug-n-play pieces to fill their holes.
Letter from the governor? C’mon.Stanford has the biggest challenge bringing guys in from the Portal. If you're a standout, not only do you need a GPA of 3.9, but a letter from the Governor.
"Shaw expressed Saturday how difficult the new college football landscape, with NIL and the transfer portal, has been for Stanford, but he did not acknowledge that was a reason for his departure.
"Shaw resigns after 12 seasons as Stanford coach
Stanford head coach David Shaw has resigned after 12 seasons at his alma mater.
Found this article written by a Stanford student athlete—granted, she was a softball player so she didn’t have first hand knowledge of football scholarship requirements, but no doubt she’s a helluva lot more informed than those outside Stanford athletics. Bottom line take home message is they aren’t required to take these academic top-of-class kids, they apparently have some flexibility depending on gpa and test scores. Granted, 3.4 or 3.5 is still pretty damn good, but it’s not the 3.9, 4.0 students that a HS only has a small handful of.
No free passes for Stanford athletes - ESPN
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We haven't discussed Cal, but they would be next in line regarding challenges to the Portal. Cal has the second strongest acceptance requirements in the Pac-12. Pretty amazing school, certainly not Harvard, MIT or Stanford, but pretty high up there.
For the right guy, Stanford is the ideal job. His problem is not recruiting, not portal, not NIL, not even academic requirements. There will be NIL funds to use, and there will be kids who want a Stanford degree. His problem is housing for his staff. If Stanford wants to win, they will have to pony up housing for the staff. Otherwise they are driving 3 hours per day (and that is probably with a 6:00-6:30 am start), and it is hard to make that work in an era when so much time is needed to mine the portal. Time that clearly was not spent last year. So often it is the mundane stuff that sinks a ship.
Location and fit. Two bug reasons why kids walk away from the Ivy Leagues.
The Ivy League, Nescac and Centennial leagues are all “stuffy.” There is an enormous amount of lineage there. There is an enormous amount of higher social status there. These schools are where the upper crust of high society send their kids. Not everyone feels comfortable there and those that do have no issues making it known to those that don’t that they are in the wrong place.
That is why kids choose Stanford over Harvard and Yale.
Yes, but. Both Harvard & Yale (all Ivy's, so far as I know) guarantee a mix of aid grants, work study and loans such that every student accepted can attend. It mostly comes down to what is important to a kid (and often, his parents).
Stanford is an utterly different culture than the Ivy's. I agree with Biggs comments, but I'd go further. Stanford is west coast; Ivy's are northeast. Stanford is in silicon valley and emphasizes innovation. The Ivy's are ultra-establishment and emphasize tradition. There is a place for both worlds, but they are culturally very different worlds, and each has no difficulty differentiating itself from the other.
As a side note, a couple of opinions from my time around the country. Northwestern sits between the two culturally. Perhaps just marginally closer to the Ivy's, but if so it is only slightly so. Rice, in its own oddly Texas way, is also between but probably a bit closer to Stanford. Duke has chosen (much like Gonzaga) to tie its identity up with its basketball program to such a degree that it is hard to view it through another lens. I can't think of another school at this academic status imprimatur level that has any real sort of intercollegiate sports offering, though I may be forgetting someone. The Cal Tech's and MIT's of the world are another case entirely.
