Should the PAC 12 change for Playoff future?

[CrimsonDisciple]

in the near future, there is no doubt that the NCAA will move to an 8 team playoff. Should the PAC 12 change the PAC 12 championship to the 2 highest ranked teams? It seems to me that it would give the PAC 12 the best opportunity to fill one of the 8 spots. Having two 3 win teams while WSU is sitting in Pullman, is counterproductive to what the conference is trying to do.

 

[Coug95man2]

Well, you've pretty much started the debate for the conference to have more than just a "championship". 4 team, conference championship series, here we come.

 

[dgibbons]

in the near future, there is no doubt that the NCAA will move to an 8 team playoff. Should the PAC 12 change the PAC 12 championship to the 2 highest ranked teams? It seems to me that it would give the PAC 12 the best opportunity to fill one of the 8 spots. Having two 3 win teams while WSU is sitting in Pullman, is counterproductive to what the conference is trying to do.

The smartest change would be to go with 4 OOC games, instead of 9.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Im fine with the North and South winners playing. I think you use division wins to decide.

The issue most pressing IMO is league games. Playing 9 league games doesnt help get teams into bowls. I think you either play 8 like everyone else OR play 11 and then bombard the media with your strength of schedule being better and having a tougher conference.

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

Well, you've pretty much started the debate for the conference to have more than just a "championship". 4 team, conference championship series, here we come.

Not really, I’m starting the debate to eliminate divisions.

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

The problem we need to prevent, is another year where the top team isn’t in the championship game.

 

[BiggsCoug]

The problem we need to prevent, is another year where the top team isn’t in the championship game.

Does your scenario lead to 2 teams playing twice, potentially in back to back weeks?

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

Does your scenario lead to 2 teams playing twice, potentially in back to back weeks?

Yes, but I would entertain moving Rivalry weeks around. Utah and UW are playing twice.

 

[Coug95man2]

Not really, I’m starting the debate to eliminate divisions.

Outline this. 12 teams. No Non-Con games?

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

Outline this. 12 teams. No Non-Con games?

Can’t, math doesn’t work.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

I like the idea of dropping the meaningless conference championship game for all conferences, and just going with the top eight teams in a playoff.

This is a good article on this proposal...

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-playoff-doesnt-need-expansion-needs-reform-005615013.html

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

I like the idea of dropping the meaningless conference championship game for all conferences, and just going with the top eight teams in a playoff.

This is a good article on this proposal...

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-playoff-doesnt-need-expansion-needs-reform-005615013.html

. Yeah, that’s a good way of preventing this years scenario.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Can’t, math doesn’t work.

You’d play 11 league games, have 1 non conference game to work with.

It’ll be the model I push for when Im the commissioner.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Yes, but I would entertain moving Rivalry weeks around. Utah and UW are playing twice.

Moving around rivalry games would work. Although I’d love to see the uw again in a warmer climate this year.

 

[Coug90]

Not really, I’m starting the debate to eliminate divisions.

This got me to thinking. Do other conferences go off of conference wins/losses to decide division champions or division wins/losses? Because everyone has a different slate of non-division games it would make sense to me to decide division champs based on division record. Conference record, then head to head being tie breakers.

 

[Coug95man2]

Eliminate 1 non-con and increase a conference game via a Championship series. 4 teams, home field advantage based on W/L for first game.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Eliminate 1 non-con and increase a conference game via a Championship series. 4 teams, home field advantage based on W/L for first game.

For teams not in it, will they only get 11 games?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

in the near future, there is no doubt that the NCAA will move to an 8 team playoff. Should the PAC 12 change the PAC 12 championship to the 2 highest ranked teams? It seems to me that it would give the PAC 12 the best opportunity to fill one of the 8 spots. Having two 3 win teams while WSU is sitting in Pullman, is counterproductive to what the conference is trying to do.

We weren't worried about this until WSU was the team being left out. Other conferences have the same issue and you don't see them changing the rules. "Every game matters".......right? If we don't like not being in the championship game for the conference, we need to be better. It's just as simple as that.

FWIW, if they ever go to an 8 team playoff, they are going to take the champ from each Power 5 conference and the Top Group of 5 team. The only debate is how to fill the other two spots. We don't need to worry about our conference champ getting left out.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

in the near future, there is no doubt that the NCAA will move to an 8 team playoff. Should the PAC 12 change the PAC 12 championship to the 2 highest ranked teams? It seems to me that it would give the PAC 12 the best opportunity to fill one of the 8 spots. Having two 3 win teams while WSU is sitting in Pullman, is counterproductive to what the conference is trying to do.

Yes.

Its stupid to have divisions if divisional w/l record counts for nothing. I kinda thought that was the whole point of divisions, but apparently its just to figure out scheduling.

 

[PINGDUDE4]

Yes.

Its stupid to have divisions if divisional w/l record counts for nothing. I kinda thought that was the whole point of divisions, but apparently its just to figure out scheduling.

Exactly .

The P12 seems to have landed on the worst set-up.

Although 9 games is healthy of in-conference games, overlapping that with divisions is really nonsense

WSU shared the same number of common conference opponents with Utah as they did with UW. When you have that much overlap why do divisional standings even matter. But if you do want the division to matter than the in-division record should be the first tie-breaker.

 

[Lollapalousa]

I like the idea of dropping the meaningless conference championship game for all conferences, and just going with the top eight teams in a playoff.

This is a good article on this proposal...

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-playoff-doesnt-need-expansion-needs-reform-005615013.html

Get rid of the meaningless Con Championships. If you want to stack brinks you need to lean toward 8&16

FCS has been at 24 for a while. Leach can draw it up for you on his little piece of paper and still include a week or two for the teams that didn’t make it to play in Bowls

 

[cr8zyncalif]

NCAA wide:

First, get rid of the stupid FCS game. All games are FBS.
Second, no more than 12 teams in a conference.
Third, every league team plays every other league team. No divisional championship needed, because everybody played everybody else.
8 team playoff with all P5 league champs and 3 at large teams. The week that is now the "league championship" game is the first round of the 8 team playoff.
Otherwise as it is done now.

I know, it will never work. Gores too many sacred cows, upsets the SEC business model and makes too much sense.

 

[chipdouglas]

The smartest change would be to go with 4 OOC games, instead of 9.

You’re not wrong.

As a Georgia fan as well though, already half the games are a joke: Vandy, Mizzou, UK, Tennessee, plus a good team or two which is down that year. THEN you get 4 noncons, including an FCS. Not every team is like this but there are 8-10 (!) games each season many 4-OOC teams’ fan bases need not watch.

CFB would be much better and more exciting with a 2-OOC game cap. You get 1 FCS tuneup game but it has to be played Week 1, and you get an end of season OOC rivalry game. The other 2 become rotating Power 5 opponents decided Powerball style with a live drawing. One home, one away. You’d get incredible matchups that would never happen because of bowl tie-ins and fan travel.

Then you play everyone in your division and a few others in conference. Conference champs should be in play for postseason while OOC record informs specific rankings.

I honestly get bored of playing Utah, Arizona and ASU. No overlap with friends, family or coworkers, and no energy. Imagine drawing Miami on the road one year, and a home game vs Michigan. Everyone’s favorite part of the season is the playoffs; why not make the atmosphere (travel, exotic matchups) a bigger part of the season? Would that not be preferable to getting a total dud with Idaho or Air Force?

 

[wazzubruce]

Idaho is a dud, AF isn't a gimme.

 

[BiggsCoug]

You’re not wrong.

As a Georgia fan as well though, already half the games are a joke: Vandy, Mizzou, UK, Tennessee, plus a good team or two which is down that year. THEN you get 4 noncons, including an FCS. Not every team is like this but there are 8-10 (!) games each season many 4-OOC teams’ fan bases need not watch.

CFB would be much better and more exciting with a 2-OOC game cap. You get 1 FCS tuneup game but it has to be played Week 1, and you get an end of season OOC rivalry game. The other 2 become rotating Power 5 opponents decided Powerball style with a live drawing. One home, one away. You’d get incredible matchups that would never happen because of bowl tie-ins and fan travel.

Then you play everyone in your division and a few others in conference. Conference champs should be in play for postseason while OOC record informs specific rankings.

I honestly get bored of playing Utah, Arizona and ASU. No overlap with friends, family or coworkers, and no energy. Imagine drawing Miami on the road one year, and a home game vs Michigan. Everyone’s favorite part of the season is the playoffs; why not make the atmosphere (travel, exotic matchups) a bigger part of the season? Would that not be preferable to getting a total dud with Idaho or Air Force?

I like the idea of a draw.

 

[TSKCoug]

Fire Larry Scott, trim the exorbitant costs at Pac-12 HQ. Or at least when it comes to the Commissioner, adjust his successor's compensation to ramp up only when the conference lands a school in the Playoff. It might also be helpful to move each school's cupcake games to later in the season. Unfortunately there is no way around the handicap of the Pacific Time Zone, and it does not help when the Pac-12 as a conference craps the bed in bowl games as they did last year.

 

[dgibbons]

The smartest change would be to go with 4 OOC games, instead of 9.

Pulled a CougEd on this- 4 OOC games and 8 conference games, instead of 3 OOC games and 9 conference games.

 

[dgibbons]

You’re not wrong.

As a Georgia fan as well though, already half the games are a joke: Vandy, Mizzou, UK, Tennessee, plus a good team or two which is down that year. THEN you get 4 noncons, including an FCS. Not every team is like this but there are 8-10 (!) games each season many 4-OOC teams’ fan bases need not watch.

CFB would be much better and more exciting with a 2-OOC game cap. You get 1 FCS tuneup game but it has to be played Week 1, and you get an end of season OOC rivalry game. The other 2 become rotating Power 5 opponents decided Powerball style with a live drawing. One home, one away. You’d get incredible matchups that would never happen because of bowl tie-ins and fan travel.

Then you play everyone in your division and a few others in conference. Conference champs should be in play for postseason while OOC record informs specific rankings.

I honestly get bored of playing Utah, Arizona and ASU. No overlap with friends, family or coworkers, and no energy. Imagine drawing Miami on the road one year, and a home game vs Michigan. Everyone’s favorite part of the season is the playoffs; why not make the atmosphere (travel, exotic matchups) a bigger part of the season? Would that not be preferable to getting a total dud with Idaho or Air Force?

I agree, but the SEC figured out the business of football long ago. Sprinkle the OOC games around. The big boys play 2-3 big games a year. Worst case scenario, you win 9 games and go to the Citrus Bowl. The top dogs like BAMA can enjoy a strong strength of schedule to inflate their rankings and everyone will talk about how impossibly difficult it is to win. A two game conference winning streak gets you ranked in the top 10. Maybe even get two teams into the playoff to line everyone's pockets.

 

[Coug95man2]

For teams not in it, will they only get 11 games?

Well, there would be a flaw...

 

[Fab5Coug]

Eliminate 1 non-con and increase a conference game via a Championship series. 4 teams, home field advantage based on W/L for first game.

Then who does everyone else play while the top 4 play the semis?

"Hey USC, Stanford & Oregon, you guys are going to lose a non con game so WSU & ASU can play in the Pac12 semis." That dog don't hunt.

 

[Fab5Coug]

You’re not wrong.

As a Georgia fan as well though, already half the games are a joke: Vandy, Mizzou, UK, Tennessee, plus a good team or two which is down that year. THEN you get 4 noncons, including an FCS. Not every team is like this but there are 8-10 (!) games each season many 4-OOC teams’ fan bases need not watch.

CFB would be much better and more exciting with a 2-OOC game cap. You get 1 FCS tuneup game but it has to be played Week 1, and you get an end of season OOC rivalry game. The other 2 become rotating Power 5 opponents decided Powerball style with a live drawing. One home, one away. You’d get incredible matchups that would never happen because of bowl tie-ins and fan travel.

Then you play everyone in your division and a few others in conference. Conference champs should be in play for postseason while OOC record informs specific rankings.

I honestly get bored of playing Utah, Arizona and ASU. No overlap with friends, family or coworkers, and no energy. Imagine drawing Miami on the road one year, and a home game vs Michigan. Everyone’s favorite part of the season is the playoffs; why not make the atmosphere (travel, exotic matchups) a bigger part of the season? Would that not be preferable to getting a total dud with Idaho or Air Force?

I've said this for years. When was the last time you tuned into an Alabama game and watched past halftime?

Over half of the SEC schedule is completely unwatchable.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Fire Larry Scott, trim the exorbitant costs at Pac-12 HQ. Or at least when it comes to the Commissioner, adjust his successor's compensation to ramp up only when the conference lands a school in the Playoff. It might also be helpful to move each school's cupcake games to later in the season. Unfortunately there is no way around the handicap of the Pacific Time Zone, and it does not help when the Pac-12 as a conference craps the bed in bowl games as they did last year.

Yes...fire Scott...yesterday.

Agree that the Pac-12 has a geography problem too. This is a difficult one to overcome.

 

[kougkurt]

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

I agree, but the SEC figured out the business of football long ago. Sprinkle the OOC games around. The big boys play 2-3 big games a year. Worst case scenario, you win 9 games and go to the Citrus Bowl. The top dogs like BAMA can enjoy a strong strength of schedule to inflate their rankings and everyone will talk about how impossibly difficult it is to win. A two game conference winning streak gets you ranked in the top 10. Maybe even get two teams into the playoff to line everyone's pockets.

Until teams from out of the SEC start pounding SEC teams in the final four, the SEC will get the benefit of the doubt.

Oregon....Washington...Oklahoma have all failed when given the chance.