So I asked a buddy about Rolo

[mikalalas]

So what? They all never coached another down there.

Thats not the point.

The point is the paying of the Buy Out

They had to pay the Buy Out, and WSU would have to pay Rolo's Buy Out.

WSU having to pay Rolo's Buy Out is a BIG DEAL.

YOU WANT TO PAY ROLO'S BUY OUT?

Like I said, its probably going to happen within the next 1,2.3,4 years

And as long as Rolo is not fired BEFORE, during the season, causing a 2,3,4 win season, instead of a 6 to 9 win season, and as long as recruiting is not made even worse, then I support the firing(Dont like, support paying the Buy Out), and if Rolo only wins 2,3,4 games, FIRE him, pay the buy out.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Thats not the point.

The point is the paying of the Buy Out

They had to pay the Buy Out, and WSU would have to pay Rolo's Buy Out.

WSU having to pay Rolo's Buy Out is a BIG DEAL.

YOU WANT TO PAY ROLO'S BUY OUT?

Like I said, its probably going to happen within the next 1,2.3,4 years

And as long as Rolo is not fired BEFORE, during the season, causing a 2,3,4 win season, instead of a 6 to 9 win season, and as long as recruiting is not made even worse, then I support the firing(Dont like, support paying the Buy Out), and if Rolo only wins 2,3,4 games, FIRE him, pay the buy out.

No one wants to pay it. His actions have forced it. It is what it is. Keep him, he is a lame duck. Remove him, tough season. He did this. It is not ok to put your employer in a jam like this. Im guessing they will negotiate settlement of find cause. You dont get to do this and be long for your job.

 

[mikalalas]

So what? They all never coached another down there.

Thats not the point.

The point is the paying of the Buy Out

They had to pay the Buy Out, and WSU would have to pay Rolo's Buy Out.

WSU having to pay Rolo's Buy Out is a BIG DEAL.

YOU WANT TO PAY ROLO'S BUY OUT?

Like I said, its probably going to happen within the next 1,2.3,4 years

And as long as Rolo is not fired BEFORE, during the season, causing a 2,3,4 win season, instead of a 6 to 9 win season, and as long as recruiting is not made even worse, then I support the firing(Dont like, support paying the Buy Out), and if Rolo only wins 2,3,4 games, FIRE him, pay the buy out.

He'll get at least two full seasons. Last year was not a full season, and was a shitshow that was not entirely of his own making. Next season is the critical one because he'll be looking at needing a contract extension.

IF he doesnt get fired after this season if he doesnt win 5,6 to 9 games, then he will be on the HOT SEAT next season AFTER this coming season.

And if he doesnt produce that season, he will be fired for sure. And not just because of the lack of production, but because of the optics of this situation, mess.

Normally Rolo would have 1,2,3 more years, if he didnt produce this year.

But because of the optics of this mess, Rolo would either be fired for lack of production this season, or be given 1 more year at the most to get it done, or be fired.

The optics of this mess changes things.

 

[longtimecoug]

No one wants to pay it. His actions have forced it. It is what it is. Keep him, he is a lame duck. Remove him, tough season. He did this. It is not ok to put your employer in a jam like this. Im guessing they will negotiate settlement of find cause. You dont get to do this and be long for your job.

at this point he has to go

 

[Observer11]

He's not contractually bound to attend media days. Even if he was, the Pac-12 is forcing him to attend remotely. So, he is attending.

If he embarrassed the men who hired him, those men can pay his liquidated damages.

We live in the real legal world. Much angst vs the reality of contract law.

Rolo is bullet proof.

 

[mikalalas]

If must fire him, wait until EITHER AFTER the season is over(Because should get about 6 to 9 wins), and because if Rolo only wins 2,3.4, then you FIRE him, or During the season, IF there is no way for Rolo to win at least 5,6,

No one wants to pay it. His actions have forced it. It is what it is. Keep him, he is a lame duck. Remove him, tough season. He did this. It is not ok to put your employer in a jam like this. Im guessing they will negotiate settlement of find cause. You dont get to do this and be long for your job.

If must fire him, wait until EITHER AFTER the season is over(Because should get about 6 to 9 wins), and because if Rolo only wins 2,3.4, then you FIRE him, or During the season, IF there is no way for Rolo to win at least 6 games.

If Rolo does win 6 to 9 games, then Fire Rolo if, when he only gets 2,3,4 wins in any given season, AFTER this coming season, if Rolo gets 6 wins in this season.

 

[mikalalas]

We live in the real legal world. Much angst vs the reality of contract law.

Rolo is bullet proof.

Even tho your probably right that Rolo is probably legally bullet proof in, about this kind of situation, even tho thats the case, Rolo is still:

1. Risking maybe getting coaches, players sick, risking said players, missing games, canceling games.

2. Risking maybe players opting out.

3. Risking maybe having recruiting negatively affected by OFFENDED recruits.

4. Risking maybe having his players think its unfair that they have to vax, and he doesnt, that he is a hypocrit, that they dont want to run thru walls for.

5. Risking maybe the WSU football program.

Your right that is not a legal reason to fire, etc, or else WSU wouldnt have had to pay WULF's buy out for destroying the program, like Rolo might be doing with what he is doing here.

But the point your missing is Rolo is messing up the program.

Still not a legally fireable offense. Still have to pay the Buy Out.

But despite that Rolo might probably has earned a firing, pay out of his buy out, with the optics of this mess, if hr doesnt win 6 games this season, or any following seaain for that matter.

And no I dont have the money to pay the Buy out. But I'm pretty sure WSU can find a way to pay his buy out, if WSU thinks its bad enough.

T

 

[BiggsCoug]

Minnesota Vikings just fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaxed.

 

[dgibbons]

Minnesota Vikings just fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaxed.

Did the Vikings pay his buyout?

 

[Fab5Coug]

Ok I stand Corrected. But if he had signed the contract, BAMA would have had to pay his Buy out.

IIRC, Price used a school provided credit card to pay for strippers. Gotta think that would have given them cause to fire him without paying a buyout.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Price never signed his contract with Alabama. RichRod got canned for sexual harassment.

The question remains, are you going to cover the $4.8 million buyout?

He’s not going to bite on your buyout question dude. 😄

WSU would find themselves in a world of trouble if they tried to fire a guy for cause because he wouldn’t get a vaccine.

At this point, he probably coaches this year (or is put on paid leave) and maybe is fired after the season. At that point, his buyout is probably more palatable, What would it be, $3.6M?

 

[425cougfan]

He’s not going to bite on your buyout question dude. 😄

WSU would find themselves in a world of trouble if they tried to fire a guy for cause because he wouldn’t get a vaccine.

At this point, he probably coaches this year (or is put on paid leave) and maybe is fired after the season. At that point, his buyout is probably more palatable, What would it be, $3.6M?

Won't help recruiting ... that's the biggest problem here. Even mere uncertainty, leaving aside half or more of people not liking Rolo's take, some parents rightly or wrongly feeling like he "isn't safe," or whatever, isn't great and it all matters.

 

[Observer11]

He’s not going to bite on your buyout question dude. 😄

WSU would find themselves in a world of trouble if they tried to fire a guy for cause because he wouldn’t get a vaccine.

At this point, he probably coaches this year (or is put on paid leave) and maybe is fired after the season. At that point, his buyout is probably more palatable, What would it be, $3.6M?

The number would be way, way, way more than $3.6 Million right now.

The gal at EWU who just got terminated is going after them for $5 Million and she was making about a buck twenty-five, if that.

 

[dgibbons]

He’s not going to bite on your buyout question dude. 😄

WSU would find themselves in a world of trouble if they tried to fire a guy for cause because he wouldn’t get a vaccine.

At this point, he probably coaches this year (or is put on paid leave) and maybe is fired after the season. At that point, his buyout is probably more palatable, What would it be, $3.6M?

Supposedly he has me on ignore.

Dragging it out would make it worse.

 

[Fab5Coug]

The number would be way, way, way more than $3.6 Million right now.

The gal at EWU who just got terminated is going after them for $5 Million and she was making about a buck twenty-five, if that.

There are buyouts written into his contract. I believe WSU must pay 60% of his remaining base salary, which is $2M per. That’s where the $4.8M comes from. $8M remaining on his contract, 60% equals $4.8M. Next year, $6M remaining would be $3.6M.

 

[mikalalas]

Won't help recruiting ... that's the biggest problem here. Even mere uncertainty, leaving aside half or more of people not liking Rolo's take, some parents rightly or wrongly feeling like he "isn't safe," or whatever, isn't great and it all matters.

AMEN!!!!

 

[Observer11]

There are buyouts written into his contract. I believe WSU must pay 60% of his remaining base salary, which is $2M per. That’s where the $4.8M comes from. $8M remaining on his contract, 60% equals $4.8M. Next year, $6M remaining would be $3.6M.

Understanding.

But if WSU pulls the trigger now or for anything even remotely smelling of his medical choice in the foreseeable future, throw that out the window. Rolo just got way more expensive.

 

[OscarTheGrouch]

Understanding.

But if WSU pulls the trigger now or for anything even remotely smelling of his medical choice in the foreseeable future, throw that out the window. Rolo just got way more expensive.

Under what legal theory? The EWU coach’s claims are different, and I’m skeptical of her case anyway.

I doubt WSU gets out of buyout, but if he is unable to fulfill the duties he was hired to do (e.g. if he can’t coach games in person, or affects his ability to recruit, or he has to follow other restrictions that limit his ability to effectively coach and puts WSU at a competitive disadvantage), the decision does limit his ability to fully perform his duties under the contract. I agree he will likely get his buyout if he’s fired, but Id bet he doesn’t get more than that.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Understanding.

But if WSU pulls the trigger now or for anything even remotely smelling of his medical choice in the foreseeable future, throw that out the window. Rolo just got way more expensive.

No...he doesn't. He's entitled to a pre-determined buyout. Now, if WSU were to make negative comments about Rolovich that he could claim were slanderous, that might change, but you can bet that any public statements by WSU would be scrutinized by attorneys in advance.

 

[CougEd]

IIRC, Price used a school provided credit card to pay for strippers. Gotta think that would have given them cause to fire him without paying a buyout.

That wasn’t the problem. The problems was not spending the money more wisely

 

[CougEd]

Understanding.

But if WSU pulls the trigger now or for anything even remotely smelling of his medical choice in the foreseeable future, throw that out the window. Rolo just got way more expensive.

Well it may not be there . I would imagine Schultz talked to the attorneys and probably it determined if it had to go to court he would lose . I would also suspect Schultz sniffed around to see if there is anyone willing to pony up that money .

I am sure Schultz gets the economic ramifications to the school and the local economy if we lose games and the leader isn’t doing what he would expect as the other 11 head coaches were expected to do.

mans while this may be years off, Schultz gets WSU and osu are filling the bank account like Texas could, ou could and he probably sees a new aggressive commissioner looking at expansion and who brings what to the conference . They don’t need the small school embarrassing they conference and what they are looking to do.

that said rolo is toast at WSU .. just a matter when .

 

[FnuLnu]

Well it may not be there . I would imagine Schultz talked to the attorneys and probably it determined if it had to go to court he would lose . I would also suspect Schultz sniffed around to see if there is anyone willing to pony up that money .

I am sure Schultz gets the economic ramifications to the school and the local economy if we lose games and the leader isn’t doing what he would expect as the other 11 head coaches were expected to do.

mans while this may be years off, Schultz gets WSU and osu are filling the bank account like Texas could, ou could and he probably sees a new aggressive commissioner looking at expansion and who brings what to the conference . They don’t need the small school embarrassing they conference and what they are looking to do.

that said rolo is toast at WSU .. just a matter when .

So, NOW it is revenue?

It is odd the past few days, the people who were most willing to give Wulff a 5th year (which would've meant a contract extension to recruit) are the ones most unwilling to give Rolo a 5th GAME.

 

[etowncoug]

So, NOW it is revenue?

It is odd the past few days, the people who were most willing to give Wulff a 5th year (which would've meant a contract extension to recruit) are the ones most unwilling to give Rolo a 5th GAME.

It's never been about on field results for those WSU fans.

 

[dgibbons]

Well it may not be there . I would imagine Schultz talked to the attorneys and probably it determined if it had to go to court he would lose . I would also suspect Schultz sniffed around to see if there is anyone willing to pony up that money .

I am sure Schultz gets the economic ramifications to the school and the local economy if we lose games and the leader isn’t doing what he would expect as the other 11 head coaches were expected to do.

mans while this may be years off, Schultz gets WSU and osu are filling the bank account like Texas could, ou could and he probably sees a new aggressive commissioner looking at expansion and who brings what to the conference . They don’t need the small school embarrassing they conference and what they are looking to do.

that said rolo is toast at WSU .. just a matter when .

And I thought Rolovich was your buddy since he bought a bunch of people beers.

And this is on par with “Leach will never get it done here.”

 

[CougEd]

And I thought Rolovich was your buddy since he bought a bunch of people beers.

And this is on par with “Leach will never get it done here.”

I like rolo a lot . Don’t understand your point .

 

[CougEd]

So, NOW it is revenue?

It is odd the past few days, the people who were most willing to give Wulff a 5th year (which would've meant a contract extension to recruit) are the ones most unwilling to give Rolo a 5th GAME.

Yaki … different times. I know this escapes you . I would never have given wulff an extension entering year 5. And if you told me leach was on the table after year four I would have pulled the trigger . You get that right ? Now if the choice is an assistant coach at osu or giving one more year to wulff, I saw enough things to go that direction .

I personally would have hired leach for 2010 and have said so . And 2011. So again not sure your point.

let me explain why revenue is more important this year … in 2010 a d 2011 they had a full season , they had a full campus to buy commerce in Pullman . The town was shut down for a decent portion of their earning year . That is why revenue is “important” now .

And Yaki … I would have given rolo five years to get his feet on the ground in Pullman .

 

[dgibbons]

I like rolo a lot . Don’t understand your point .

That’s because you’re not very bright.

“Rolovich is toast.”
-CougEd

 

[FnuLnu]

Yaki … different times. I know this escapes you . I would never have given wulff an extension entering year 5. And if you told me leach was on the table after year four I would have pulled the trigger . You get that right ? Now if the choice is an assistant coach at osu or giving one more year to wulff, I saw enough things to go that direction .

I personally would have hired leach for 2010 and have said so . And 2011. So again not sure your point.

let me explain why revenue is more important this year … in 2010 a d 2011 they had a full season , they had a full campus to buy commerce in Pullman . The town was shut down for a decent portion of their earning year . That is why revenue is “important” now .

And Yaki … I would have given rolo five years to get his feet on the ground in Pullman .

Why does it matter if town of Pullman was shut down in 2020? Smith is loading up with more Spokane games than ever (a money loser for revenue starved WSU).

If this is such a critical issue, why can't the members of Wulfftifa sneak up on Rolo and jab him a dose of the J&J vax?

Doubt Rolo has security.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

That’s because you’re not very bright.

“Rolovich is toast.”
-CougEd

FWIW, Leach had a long leash and was allowed a fourth season in 2015 despite having a miserable 3-9 finish in 2014. Rolovich is gone if we are 3-9 in year three. He used up all of his good will with the decision to not wear a mask. As highlighted in the other thread, I believe that Rolovich doesn't have a medical reason to not wear a mask and is just choosing to do so without communicating with his boss or his boss's boss. If he had worked through Chun on this where there was a unified message, I would view this differently.

As it is, with Rolovich sending out a tweet and then Chun and Schulz following up with tweets that make it obvious that they were not involved in the decision.......Rolovich is toast if he doesn't start winning games fast.

 

[chipdouglas]

I just don’t get dying on this hill. It’s not that big of a deal. I’ve put every substance short of meth and heroin, McDonald’s, Arby’s, Twinkees, Red Bull’s and gallons and gallons of alcohol in my body.

Maybe Rolo’s body is a temple?

I'm vaxxed (Moderna), but the idea that we've gotten to a point where we feel we plebes, or Internet jackoffs, or governors, have the right to veto others' choice of whether to inject experimental chemicals into their body is Huxleyan or Orwellian, depending on your flavor of dystopia.

There will never be a time in history or a place in the world madness cannot reach

 

[CougEd]

That’s because you’re not very bright.

“Rolovich is toast.”
-CougEd

Oh that … hard to go against your bosses . So whether it is this year or next he now has a target on his back .

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I'm vaxxed (Moderna), but the idea that we've gotten to a point where we feel we plebes, or Internet jackoffs, or governors, have the right to veto others' choice of whether to inject experimental chemicals into their body is Huxleyan or Orwellian, depending on your flavor of dystopia.

There will never be a time in history or a place in the world madness cannot reach

You do realize that there are many instances in our history where vaccinations were mandatory....right?

 

[CougEd]

Why does it matter if town of Pullman was shut down in 2020? Smith is loading up with more Spokane games than ever (a money loser for revenue starved WSU).

If this is such a critical issue, why can't the members of Wulfftifa sneak up on Rolo and jab him a dose of the J&J vax?

Doubt Rolo has security.

One- cause no one other than you cares about wulff. Two, if you can’t figure out why I am concerned with the people of Pullman and the business community then not sure how else I can help you .

Why do you say if it is a critical issue , it’s is an issue of mine. I don’t speak for others .

 

[CougEd]

I'm vaxxed (Moderna), but the idea that we've gotten to a point where we feel we plebes, or Internet jackoffs, or governors, have the right to veto others' choice of whether to inject experimental chemicals into their body is Huxleyan or Orwellian, depending on your flavor of dystopia.

There will never be a time in history or a place in the world madness cannot reach

Not sure why it is crazy to want people to get vaccinated so business isn’t interrupted ? But if that is “anti American” wanting other businesses to flourish and not be shut down or have consumers decide not to use those business because they are aware of the delta variant

 

[chipdouglas]

You do realize that there are many instances in our history where vaccinations were mandatory....right?

1. Full FDA approval likely comes next year. Is there some instance of unapproved vax you're referring to? Then, there are negative rights issues, besides

2. Do you support slavery, 3/5 Compromise, and male/landowner-only voting? After all, those are among the "instances in our history" where these things were law.

 

[CougEd]

You do realize that there are many instances in our history where vaccinations were mandatory....right?

Hat about all the kids that have to be vaccinated to participate in sports ? I wonder if we are violating their body.

 

[chipdouglas]

Not sure why it is crazy to want people to get vaccinated so business isn’t interrupted ? But if that is “anti American” wanting other businesses to flourish and not be shut down or have consumers decide not to use those business because they are aware of the delta variant

You're saying it's not top-down lockdowns, but bottom-up vaccination rates, that are interrupting biz?

 

[FnuLnu]

FWIW, Leach had a long leash and was allowed a fourth season in 2015 despite having a miserable 3-9 finish in 2014. Rolovich is gone if we are 3-9 in year three. He used up all of his good will with the decision to not wear a mask. As highlighted in the other thread, I believe that Rolovich doesn't have a medical reason to not wear a mask and is just choosing to do so without communicating with his boss or his boss's boss. If he had worked through Chun on this where there was a unified message, I would view this differently.

As it is, with Rolovich sending out a tweet and then Chun and Schulz following up with tweets that make it obvious that they were not involved in the decision.......Rolovich is toast if he doesn't start winning games fast.

So now Rolo is not wearing a mask?

Is this a QWulff theory?

 

[dgibbons]

FWIW, Leach had a long leash and was allowed a fourth season in 2015 despite having a miserable 3-9 finish in 2014. Rolovich is gone if we are 3-9 in year three. He used up all of his good will with the decision to not wear a mask. As highlighted in the other thread, I believe that Rolovich doesn't have a medical reason to not wear a mask and is just choosing to do so without communicating with his boss or his boss's boss. If he had worked through Chun on this where there was a unified message, I would view this differently.

As it is, with Rolovich sending out a tweet and then Chun and Schulz following up with tweets that make it obvious that they were not involved in the decision.......Rolovich is toast if he doesn't start winning games fast.

Are you kidding me? Leach was “allowed” a fourth year? Like there was a choice. We’re you going to fund that buyout?

The guy that says “Wulff wasn’t that bad” is complaining about a coach that is 1-3.

 

[CougEd]

You're saying it's not top-down lockdowns, but bottom-up vaccination rates, that are interrupting biz?

Oh I didn’t say that at all .