So I asked a buddy about Rolo
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Not at all . I didn’t say he wouldn’t be successful at WSU . I know nuance is not your friend .
Also Leach going 6-6, going to a bowl in year 2, earned Leach a 4th year, even after a 3-9 season.
And also because it was the Leach who had had 10 straight years of bowls games at Texas Tech.
If it had been Ore St's Riley, who had about 7 straight bowl games at Ore St, and had been WSU's Head Coach instead of Leach, and if Riley at WSU had 3-9 1st year, 6-6, bowl game 2nd year, 3-9 3rd year, then Riley also would have gotten a 4th year like Leach.
Also if Wulf had gone 2-10, his 1st year, 2-10 2nd year, 6-6, bowl game 3rd year, 3-9,4-8 4th year, Wulf would have deserved a 5th year.
And if Wulf had not been hired from EWU, and instead been hired later as WSU's HC, duringthe Leach years, instead of Leach, if Wulf had gotten 3-9, 6-6 bowl, 3-9, like Leach did, he probably would deserve, get a 4th year.
But the 1,2-10,11, 1,2-10,11, 3-9, 3,4-8,9, 9-40 doesnt deserve, shouldnt get a 4th,5th year no matter who you are, and especially a Paul Wulf type.
And yes Flat did seem to be a Wulf defender, even tho he seemed to try to walk that back, change that.
And yes its odd for a Wulf defender to go after Rolo.
But that said Rolo is harming the Program just like Paul Wulf harmed the program.
Anybody who was anti Wulf, should be anti Rolo over this situation, as Rolo is harming the program just lime Paul Wulf harmed the Program.
Doesn’t sound like the imminent demise you are
predicting. Rolovich is also younger than Schulz and Chun. University president last about 8 years. Schulz is in year 6.
I am sorry you haven’t read my stuff . I said this year or next year as the buyout may too stiff this year and tough to swallow . If WSU had the 4.8 laying around you think he would still be here ?
I keep reading that Rolo "pissed off the wrong people." If that's true, and I'm not sure that he has, don't Schulz and Chun have to look in the mirror regarding the hiring of Rolo? The dude is cut from a similar cloth as Mike Leach. Hell, the two are very good friends, and Leach personally recommended that we hire Rolo. So now Chun & Schulz are "surprised" that Rolo would take an anti-vax stance?
Rolo's falling on the sword for a lot of coaches right now. I'd love to know how many of the SEC coaches are vaccinated. The SEC set a goal for each program to achieve an 80% vaccination rate. So far, Alabama is the only program that has announced their team rate. It's at 90%, almost triple the rate of the State of Alabama. Why? Because Saban told the team that it's "your choice," but that not getting it could put the team at risk. Translation: If you don't get it, you may get blacklisted by the #1 program in America. Alabama has leverage other programs don't have.
The SEC commissioner said that as of now, only 6 of 14 schools have achieved the 80% mark. Leach wouldn't discuss it, and said it should only be talked about with medical providers. Texas A&M and Vandy aren't discussing it either. Not the SEC, but Mike Gundy said Oklahoma State is at 55%. I'm guessing that's on par with the rest of the programs in the Southeast.
Let me restate again that I am vaccinated, as are my boys, but I find this situation fascinating from a legal perspective. Are we really going to force collegiate athletes, a demographic that is at an almost zero statistical risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID, to get a vaccine that they don't want? Good Lord.
This whole thing is spiraling into a ludicrous debate. The vaccine is out there for anyone who WANTS IT. If you don't choose to get it and you get sick, it's on you. That's it. That's as far as anyone needs to take this. Any college student or student athlete can choose to get the vaccine on campus for free. The same is true for you and I. So why TF do we feel the need to kick the can down the road here?
Rolo's falling on the sword for a lot of coaches right now. I'd love to know how many of the SEC coaches are vaccinated. The SEC set a goal for each program to achieve an 80% vaccination rate. So far, Alabama is the only program that has announced their team rate. It's at 90%, almost triple the rate of the State of Alabama. Why? Because Saban told the team that it's "your choice," but that not getting it could put the team at risk. Translation: If you don't get it, you may get blacklisted by the #1 program in America. Alabama has leverage other programs don't have.
The SEC commissioner said that as of now, only 6 of 14 schools have achieved the 80% mark. Leach wouldn't discuss it, and said it should only be talked about with medical providers. Texas A&M and Vandy aren't discussing it either. Not the SEC, but Mike Gundy said Oklahoma State is at 55%. I'm guessing that's on par with the rest of the programs in the Southeast.
Let me restate again that I am vaccinated, as are my boys, but I find this situation fascinating from a legal perspective. Are we really going to force collegiate athletes, a demographic that is at an almost zero statistical risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID, to get a vaccine that they don't want? Good Lord.
This whole thing is spiraling into a ludicrous debate. The vaccine is out there for anyone who WANTS IT. If you don't choose to get it and you get sick, it's on you. That's it. That's as far as anyone needs to take this. Any college student or student athlete can choose to get the vaccine on campus for free. The same is true for you and I. So why TF do we feel the need to kick the can down the road here?
This brings home my initial point I posted earlier this week: this is bad optics for WSU, and that in and of itself, is not something I wanted the university to be involved in. It's literally a lose/lose.
Keep trying to walk it back. It’s on the Internet forever. I might even use the screenshot as my avatar.
If WSU had $4.8 million laying around Rolovich would never have been hired in the first place. Try harder, if you can.
I guess it is. I don't know. There are a Hell of a lot of "tough guy" football coaches and players who aren't getting vaccinated. We're not talking about 20%. I suspect it's closer to 50%.
I'm sure it's a very high number. People are allowed to make their choice, and as well as have their opinions...it's America.
What I'm not loving is that WSU's coach has been on the forefront of bad optics stories (Woods, now vaccines) since he's been at the helm in Pullman. Whether he's right, wrong, or people agree or disagree, it's just all been bad optics. Couple that with a 1-3 record last season, assuming he's allowed to coach (I think he will...at least this season), he better hope he wins 7+.
And yes, Leach also had some of those "optics" issues, but he had a long-term track record that gave him a much longer leash.
Holy fuggin' sh!t Bro. That is the biggest fuggin' leap in the history of big leaps. Don't hit your head on the moon on the way by.
Please feel free to elaborate on how any of your listed items have anything to do with vaccinations......which is the fuggin' subject.
God damn.....some of you people make me ashamed to be a WSU graduate.
Your comment about zero statistical risk is falling apart as the virus morphs amongst the unvaccinated..........younger people are getting sick and some do experience long term side effects. Risks are higher for blacks and hispanics. You may not realize this, but a lot of our football players are black. I agree that the risk is relatively low, but it would be nice if the leader our young men isn't some anti-vaxxing dillhole.
If I get any solace from all this, at the largest hospital here in Wichita, every single person who is currently in the ICU with COVID is unvaccinated, so at least the vaccine is doing its job in that respect.
Patrol…there is something I guess of the unknown. Well the “scientists” haven’t been perfect, it sure seemed they they predicted several things correctly . Virtually every surge they predicted correctly . They also warned if we don’t get it under control it will morph and chances to become a much more efficient virus. That has happened . Why do you believe the virus as it mutates will stop at a certain age . Before it was 65 plus. They are the ones at risk.
Why do you believe it stops there? I saw a report from Florida, I believe in Jacksonville 44% of the patients admitted were 40 and younger?
I know you are vaccinated . As am I. What I don’t know is how well the vaccine holds up against the new variant . But my question is … is there an age when the people who are either hesitant or anti vaxers will start saying … that is getting too close to my age and I will take the vaccine?
Second question…prefaced by my interest is more from an economy standpoint… is there any economic pain, especially for small businesses whether it is from a segment of society not participating because of covid or government control that will change people’s mind for the good of the economy and the good of a community ?
First off, why would you include in your response "you may not realize this, but a lot of our football players are black." Did I offend you with my personal commentary on the matter? Did it come across as "racist," as it seems that everything does today? You seem like a well read, well versed person on a lot of these matters, yet like so many other people, you reduce the arguments to insults and barbs when people bring up alternative hypotheses.
As for people choosing not to get vaccinated, I don't agree with them, but whatever. It's their choice. I feel similarly about abortion. Personally, I'm pro-choice when it comes to legislation, but I'm anti-abortion morally. It's impossible to argue scientifically that abortion isn't murder. It's impossible to argue legally that if our courts have the responsibility for advocating for children who cannot advocate for themselves, then they should outlaw abortion. IF that unborn child had a say in the matter, they would choose life.
That's a polarizing topic for sure, but my point here is that society has gotten completely off the rails when it comes to arguing these matters. Sometimes, no matter how much scientific data there is backing a point, there are individual liberties that take precedence. Why do we still sell tobacco products? We know it kills people. Why is the fast food industry as mainstream as it is? Tax the rich? How about taxing the Hell out of food that we know harms people? On that note, why are we virtue signaling that being obese is OK, and furthermore, how are we not hammering home the importance of exercise and nutrition; particularly as we move towards a system of National healthcare for all. Does a 300lb chain smoking alcoholic deserve the same insurance benefits that I do?
People are looking at Rolo and other coaches who choose not to get vaccinated as if they're committing a moral crime against the kids they're coaching. Gimme a break. Since when did any of that matter in the world of bigtime collegiate and professional athletics? The vast majority of bigtime coaches and programs care about winning, and only winning. They would mandate that their players take steroids if they were still unpoliced and not drug tested. They'd look the other way in sexual assault cases and other off field citizenship issues if they could. Most of them don't give a damn whether or not their players aspire for academic achievement. But now, because (as misguided as I may feel he his) he chooses not to get the vaccine, he's a horrible role model for players?
I'm 54 years old now, and I mostly just sit back and watch these double standards play out with a cynical smile on my face. Yea, he needs to get vaccinated because of the players. It's about the players. It's about making the world a better place. What a bunch of chit. It's about the negative PR it's bringing to WSU, and most specifically, about potential lost revenue for the school and for the conference if he and other players test positive and have to forfeit games as a result. That's the ONLY thing that "concerns" Chun, Schulz, the and P12 conference. If being a moral "dillhole" was grounds for termination, collegiate athletics would truly be about COLLEGIATE athletics. Let's at least stop pretending.
Oh, and by the way, mother earth is in need of a global population cleansing. People dying from COVID is sad and unspeakably tragic, but with the vaccine now available, it's largely preventable. These collegiate "kids," their parents, and the coaches who opt out should know the risks. If they don't, it's on them. How about we virtue signal that reality. You drive without a seatbelt, you'll pay the price in an accident.
I included the statement because over half of our team is in a higher risk group. It's not racist....it's a fact. Rolovich's decision potentially puts his players in harms way. He's setting a poor example and he's buying into the stupid hysteria being perpetuated by idiots on the right. You can call it double standards, you can joke about seatbelts, but our country's future is in jeopardy because of a bunch of anti-vaxxing idiots.
Anti-vaxx idiots like to say that they should have a choice, but they are the a-holes that complain the loudest when lockdowns happen. I've got no use for selfish people that sit back and say, "I don't need the vaccine as long as enough other people get it". As far as I'm concerned, anyone that says that deserves to get COVID and a bad case of it.
The moral vax argument is the world's biggest blue eyes vs brown eyes experiment.
This might not apply to Rolo, but you know something like it is coming down the pipe. Perhaps Rolo is medically compromised and is keeping it close to the vest. Waiting to get terminated or placed on leave before announcing through his attorney that he's seriously asthmatic or something of that nature.
I say that because I have a close friend at work who is doing that. Currently, at my company, if you submit your vaccine card, you can work maskless. If you don't, you have to mask up. That's pissing people off because they feel that their medical privacy is being violated. My friend has legitimate allergy concerns that he's not letting our company know about. He's waiting for them to terminate or pressure him so he can take legal action. Yes, he's being a douchey ambulance chaser, but that's a reality that every organization is concerned about today.
I say that because I have a close friend at work who is doing that. Currently, at my company, if you submit your vaccine card, you can work maskless. If you don't, you have to mask up. That's pissing people off because they feel that their medical privacy is being violated. My friend has legitimate allergy concerns that he's not letting our company know about. He's waiting for them to terminate or pressure him so he can take legal action. Yes, he's being a douchey ambulance chaser, but that's a reality that every organization is concerned about today.
Yes, people should be required to get vaccine, with medical and religious exceptions only, in order to do certain things, same as has been required for numerous other vaccines for ages. Sure, this has only been approved on an emergency basis as it goes through the normal process for full approval, which will happen. But the same emergency basis also justifies the requirement to vaccinate if exemption does not apply. Or choose to stay away from those things where vaccine is required.
Yes because there is a good about 69 to 79 percent chance that Rolo will win 6 to 9 games this season.
And Firing Rolo would put that at risk and probably cause a 1,2,3,4 win season, and affect recruiting even worse.
No wSU, Chun, if they had 5 mil laying around to pay the BUY out would or should wait until Rolo has a bad season, then fire him.
If Rolo doesn't have a bad season over the next 5 to 10 years, and instead has good seasons, Rolo then wouldn't, shouldnt be fired.
It all depends on what happens.
Key in on Leach's Response:
He doesn't, didn't say whether he is vaxed or not. He said that's private with a doctor.
Basically No Comment.
Rolo should have done the same as Leach.
Leach didn't Harm the program. But he might have if he had done the same as Rolo.
Pretty sure Leach didn't Vax. And he was smart enough to keep that to himself
To bad Rolo wasn't as smart as Leach.
What you, others are not getting, is that PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING, RIGHT or Wrong. Not OFFENDING HALF the population is important.
WHY?
Because if you are a Business, and you OFFEND, SCARE, CONCERN, PISS OFF, make people concerned about safety, even if they are wrong, idiots, etc, your either gonna lose a lot of money, or out of business.
WSU, P5 College Football is like that.
If your the Head Football Coach at WSU, you can't afford to OFFEND, CONCERN, SCARE, make concerned about safety, etc, of HALF the Population, players, parents, recruits, students, etc, even if they are wrong, idiots, etc, because if you do, like the business example, you, WSU, will be hurt.
Rolo doing what he did, didn't do, OFFENDED HALF of those people.
It will affect recruiting negatively, it will affect donations negatively, it will affect attendance negatively.
Also Rolo could cause players to get sick, miss games, cause canceled games, cause players to opt out.
He might not be able to get into recruits homes.
He might not get recruits he would have otherwise gotten if he had either vaxed, or not said anything like Leach.
Rolo has HARMED the program.
That wasn't his intent. But that's what he has done.
There is a reason why a SMART Politician, Salesman, CEO, etc, would have if they were Rolo, would have either Vaxed up, or if they didn't Vax, wouldn't have said anything, or if they did speak about how they are not vaccine, they would have then explained why.
And the reason why they would do that, is that they would not want to offend HALF the population, whether they are right or whether they are wrong, idiots, and thus cause Harm to WSU football the way Rolo did.
Even Leach was either smart enough, whatever to no talk about how he is not vaccine.
Rolo should have done the same as Leach
How the heck is a Loyal Coug like Ian Furness getting lumped with those two sites full of kiss-ups?
I didn’t think this was an option a few days ago, but I’m thinking time to cut bait no matter how painful it is financially. Small sample size last year but 3rd quarter tells a lot about a coaches ability to quickly process information and make necessary adjustments. Huge red flag last year and this nonsense tells me Rolo is nothing short of a dumbass. Chalk it up to a bad hire and move on ASAP. if you have to go cheap for a couple years, so be it. You’ll be better off in the long run then riding it out with this dolt.
At worst, there is about a 59% to 69% chance of WSU winning 6 to 9 games.
You dont fire him and then 95% chance to only win 1,2,3,4 games.
If Rolo only wins 1 to 5 games this season, FIRE HIM, pay the buy out.
If he wins 6 to 9 games, dont fire him.
Next season, after this coming season:
If 1 to 6 wins, FIRE HIM, pay a smaller buy out.
7+ wins, dont fire him
Next season:
1 to 6 wins FIRE HIM, Smaller buy out.
7 to 9+ wins, Dont Fire him.
As soon as he fails to get at least 6 wins, whether this season, later seasons, then fire him, pay the buy out.
Also firing him now, midseason, makes recruiting even worse.
At least if you wait until After the season to fire, then have more stability, continuity, time for the new coach to install their systen, recruit, develop, coach up, etc.
I don't think he has much of a chance, most states are at will employment states, people can be fired from their jobs with no reason or explanation.Unless there is a union or some other employment contract. those are the workplace requirements, he cn abide by them or work elsewhere
Regarding proof of vaccination...
A simple google search of "blank vaccination cards" turns up countless examples of hi-res pdf's available for download. You print one off then search for "completed vaccination cards" and fill it out accordingly. Then take it to your local FedEx Kinkos and have it laminated.
A simple google search of "blank vaccination cards" turns up countless examples of hi-res pdf's available for download. You print one off then search for "completed vaccination cards" and fill it out accordingly. Then take it to your local FedEx Kinkos and have it laminated.
All of this is cause. People have been fired for much less.
And yes, WSU has $5m to remove thehighest profile employee if he embarrasses the university or potentially puts students health at risk. T
Where is the public comment from Schulz or Chun???? Vote of confidence coming soon??? Or is it a pink slip?
Covid isnt going away. It could be a shot every year for people. Any school that hires Rolo moving forward will have to deal with the ramifications of his big mouth. Who will hire him? Who will deal with the media? Questions from recruits and parents. Another thing for other schools to use in recruiting.
Name another HFC in P5 with this issue? He is amateur hour. Immature, no media savvy. And WSU is gonna ride out a full season with him? Completely blow up a recruiting class?? That may be even more dumb than Rolo making that statement.
This is the type of mickey mouse bullshit for middle school PE teachers. Not P5 HFC’s.
There are people that would do anything to coach WSU. Because it f$cking means something to them to put the logo on.
WSU just means more to some people. As much as I can’t stand some people that post here, as much as we disagree, if I happened across them staring down a bar brawl ~ I choose them. I am all in. All day, every day, doesnt matter why. They wear the logo. That includes Paul Wulff.
Wonder if RoLo is one of those who just likes to coach football and not deal with the other parts of his job?
Schulz and Chun issued statements last week. Write the check. Or are you tapped out funding the 80,000 seat stadium?
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