Squaloring about ranking, Alamo Bowl

[Loyal Coug]

1. We talk about how we should have an easy non-con schedule to get wins. Well, this is what happens when we are good enough to not need those easy games. It bites us. Let's go down South and play one of those SEC teams again and make bank AND beat them.

2. We got ripped off big time against USC. Every one in the nation knows this now. But we choked in the Apple Cup for the 6th time straight, and this is the result. So we need to deal with it.

3. Posters whining about playing Iowa State instead of WV or whatever. I seem to recall #5 Texas whining about having to play "nobody" WSU in the Holiday Bowl in 2003. How did that turn out? We have the #2 Pac-12 bowl against a quality opponent that will apparently bring a lot of fans. So let's quit whining and be glad we are 10-2 and hope we back it up on the field. As opposed to the last 2 years.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Preach!

 

[roses04]

People need to quit complaining about this and move on, Alamo Bowl will be outstanding, against a great opponent, and probably a better team the one we lost to in the Apple Cup. Had Cougs simply won the Apple Cup they would be in a New Year six bowl, but they didn't take care of business. They lost the Apple Cup to a team that had 3 losses, all 3 losses were to unranked teams. Then in turn the North Division champ wins the conference championship without scoring an offensive TD, if we couldn't beat that pile crap, we shouldn't be bitching. The Cougs also lost to an unranked USC team that finished at 5-7, yes bad call, keep in mind the Cougs blew a 13 point 2nd half lead in that game.

Now onto ISU, they have 4 losses, however 3 to ranked teams. Cougs will have their hands full ,and IMO the wrong team is favored

 

[CougPatrol]

Now onto ISU, they have 3 losses as well, however they are all to ranked teams. Cougs will have their hands full ,and IMO the wrong team is favored.

They have 4 total losses, and 2 of them were to unranked Iowa and TCU; but all 4 of their losses were to Bowl teams this year.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

1. We talk about how we should have an easy non-con schedule to get wins. Well, this is what happens when we are good enough to not need those easy games. It bites us. Let's go down South and play one of those SEC teams again and make bank AND beat them.

2. We got ripped off big time against USC. Every one in the nation knows this now. But we choked in the Apple Cup for the 6th time straight, and this is the result. So we need to deal with it.

3. Posters whining about playing Iowa State instead of WV or whatever. I seem to recall #5 Texas whining about having to play "nobody" WSU in the Holiday Bowl in 2003. How did that turn out? We have the #2 Pac-12 bowl against a quality opponent that will apparently bring a lot of fans. So let's quit whining and be glad we are 10-2 and hope we back it up on the field. As opposed to the last 2 years.

That was 5 v 12, not 12 v 24/25.

And again, stop fcking telling me how to feel.

"We got raped by the cfp and the whole thing stinks."

Loyal - "you should just be happy you're having sex"

 

[CognitiveDissonance]

This is what I've been saying! Where's Chip? Where's Yakima? Or the dude with the creepy Mexican baby in his ava?

All this bitching about having a better record than UW and we finally come across a Cougar with a brain who knows the schedule ya'll played. Yay!

 

[Cougatron]

Sorry but people have every right to complain.

1 - WSU was screwed over if you say nothing it sends the signal that you are okay with being walked over.

2 - going to the post season is always great as is cheering for WSU in a bowl however playing 8-4 Iowa State doesn’t do much for us even if we win.
(If we win, well it was Iowa State - See WSU hasn’t beaten anybody blah blah blah)

We should always be trying to play somebody where we have something to gain late in the season / bowl games.

For example:

If we played UCF - we gain the bragging rights of taking out the current longest winning streak in FBS and doing what Auburn could not (beat UCF in a bowl)

If we played LSU - we gain by beating a blue blood from the SEC in one of the most talent rich areas.

If we played Michigan - we gain beating a blue blood harbaugh led B1G power.

Beating Iowa State doesn’t gain us much of anything.

So people should be mad, people should raise their voice so people know that we take football seriously and we deserve a seat at the table just like the other programs.

If we act like a quiet doormat program then people will continue to be treated like one.

 

[spongewatch]

Sorry but people have every right to complain.

1 - WSU was screwed over if you say nothing it sends the signal that you are okay with being walked over.

2 - going to the post season is always great as is cheering for WSU in a bowl however playing 8-4 Iowa State doesn’t do much for us even if we win.
(If we win, well it was Iowa State - See WSU hasn’t beaten anybody blah blah blah)

We should always be trying to play somebody where we have something to gain late in the season / bowl games.

For example:

If we played UCF - we gain the bragging rights of taking out the current longest winning streak in FBS and doing what Auburn could not (beat UCF in a bowl)

If we played LSU - we gain by beating a blue blood from the SEC in one of the most talent rich areas.

If we played Michigan - we gain beating a blue blood harbaugh led B1G power.

Beating Iowa State doesn’t gain us much of anything.

So people should be mad, people should raise their voice so people know that we take football seriously and we deserve a seat at the table just like the other programs.

If we act like a quiet doormat program then people will continue to be treated like one.

So a bunch of fans complaining about our lot in the bowl games will change things? Got it.

 

[SDCoug]

For the record...

I’m happy to be playing Iowa State. They will be tough. I know a lot of people that went to school there. For some reason their alum head to San Diego when they graduate. They are, everyone of them, good folk.

That doesn’t mean I can’t be pissed off. I think that the whole fvcking system is morally bankrupt. I’m done putting money and time into it. More time to fish in the fall I guess.

 

[Cougatron]

So a bunch of fans complaining about our lot in the bowl games will change things? Got it.

It changes the perception of WSU from some quiet remote outpost school that nobody knows anything about to one that people do take notice of and knows that we are serious about football. Visibility is important.

Mike Leach brings visibility

Gameday in Pullman brings visibility

And rabid fan bases bring visibility too.

What would Notre Dame be without its visibility? Or Ohio State or Texas or Florida.

Visibility is everything and as a fan base a loud and relentless one gets people’s attention.

Anything we can do to raise our visibility is good in the game that is about eyeballs and tv ratings (which is what Bowl game bias is really about)

 

[ShockandAweWSU]

To think that this team could end up being an 11 win team simply boggles my mind. When I looked at this roster at the beginning of the year I would have been thrilled just to win 6 or 7 games. Credit this group of players and group of coaches. They have maximized their potential. Looking forward hopefully to a convincing win on Dec. 28 and this team can become one of the best teams in program history......and the best news of all is that we get almost the entire team back next year.

 

[CognitiveDissonance]

It changes the perception of WSU from some quiet remote outpost school that nobody knows anything about to one that people do take notice of and knows that we are serious about football. Visibility is important.

Mike Leach brings visibility

Gameday in Pullman brings visibility

And rabid fan bases bring visibility too.

What would Notre Dame be without its visibility? Or Ohio State or Texas or Florida.

Visibility is everything and as a fan base a loud and relentless one gets people’s attention.

Anything we can do to raise our visibility is good in the game that is about eyeballs and tv ratings (which is what Bowl game bias is really about)

What have the Cougars done on ANY stage that should be respected? They failed to win their own division, let alone conference in a conference that is perceived as down.

You beat a 6-6 Wyoming, a 1-11 San Jose State, and a 10-2 FCS team as your non-co. Your loss to USC appeared impressive until they finished 5-7 and failed to make a bowl.

The only "impressive" road win you had this year was against Stanford who finished 8-4.

The three toughest games you went 2 of 3... all at home... Utah, Oregon (which don't look all that impressive now)... and you looked totally outclassed against UW, which blew it for you.

What perception are people supposed to have about the Cougars? You didn't prove anything, you didn't win anything that mattered... so who should care given your history as a program?

 

[Cougatron]

What have the Cougars done on ANY stage that should be respected? They failed to win their own division, let alone conference in a conference that is perceived as down.

You beat a 6-6 Wyoming, a 1-11 San Jose State, and a 10-2 FCS team as your non-co. Your loss to USC appeared impressive until they finished 5-7 and failed to make a bowl.

The only "impressive" road win you had this year was against Stanford who finished 8-4.

The three toughest games you went 2 of 3... all at home... Utah, Oregon (which don't look all that impressive now)... and you looked totally outclassed against UW, which blew it for you.

What perception are people supposed to have about the Cougars? You didn't prove anything, you didn't win anything that mattered... so who should care given your history as a program?

Everyone should care.

Out of the 120+ FBS teams in all conferences there are just 17 teams. Just 17 that have 10 wins or more currently.

Of the Power 5 teams there are just 8

And we are one of them.

8 power 5 teams with 10 wins or more.

Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and WSU and UW.

Where is everybody else? Wtf have they done for anybody to care. Didn’t they play FCS teams and mid majors?

Or did they all schedule only top 10 Power 5 opponets for all 12 games? Oh wait that’s right they didn’t. F*cking Florida players not 1 but 2 FCS teams and mustered 9 wins.

Behold the incredible that loses to Texas A&M at the end of the year and doesn’t drop at all and had just 9 wins.

The question I have to you is where is everybody else’s 10 wins.

Somehow we should hold the door open for Penn had trouble with 7-5 Michigan State and a heart attack with Appalachian State.

Come right in couldn’t get to 10 wins. We make excuses for you around here.

Bottom line is we won 10 games. The only loss we had was to another 10 win team that won the conference in a blizzard.

And a USC team where the replay booth was phoning in calls to some unqualified attorney playing kingmaker/savior for the conferences largest money maker.

That’s it. 2 losses.

And still after championship weekend where everybody got an extra game.

Still have a QB with more passing yards than Kyler Murray and in the top 5 in TDs.

And that’s with a game in a complete blizzard.

The question is.... where is everybody else

 

[OrangeGravy]

Sorry but people have every right to complain.

1 - WSU was screwed over if you say nothing it sends the signal that you are okay with being walked over.

2 - going to the post season is always great as is cheering for WSU in a bowl however playing 8-4 Iowa State doesn’t do much for us even if we win.
(If we win, well it was Iowa State - See WSU hasn’t beaten anybody blah blah blah)

We should always be trying to play somebody where we have something to gain late in the season / bowl games.

For example:

If we played UCF - we gain the bragging rights of taking out the current longest winning streak in FBS and doing what Auburn could not (beat UCF in a bowl)

If we played LSU - we gain by beating a blue blood from the SEC in one of the most talent rich areas.

If we played Michigan - we gain beating a blue blood harbaugh led B1G power.

Beating Iowa State doesn’t gain us much of anything.

So people should be mad, people should raise their voice so people know that we take football seriously and we deserve a seat at the table just like the other programs.

If we act like a quiet doormat program then people will continue to be treated like one.

The other part of this story is we were approaching rare air for us. Even with a continued good run of seasons under Leach, it might be difficult to reach the 10+ win in the regular season mark. That makes it sting even more when you get popularity contested out of a NY6 bowl. It would be one thing if we hovered around 8-10 wins every year for a couple of decades. I'd be pissed, but it would be easy to move on to the bowl and next year. We are still a program that comes into each season blind when it comes to how good our team will be. Sure we now know that the floor has been raised quite a bit, but our margin for error even in a season like this is still uncomfortably small. We had a shot and missed the big party, but got booted all the way down passed the consolation bracket into the 2nd consolation bracket.

For me it's the final kick to the nuts from a college football system that I've been disgusted in for years and probably only really been able to hold on because up to this point it hasn't been relevant to us. At some point you have to ask yourself if it's even worth participating. Why I say I would personally be more satisfied if the season just ended after 10-2.

 

[kayak15]

Chun hit the nail on the head with his comment about the perceived strength of the Pac12. The Cougs are arguably the second best team in the arguably weakest conference in FBS. Thus, like Rodney Dangerfield, we get no respect and no NY6 bowl. Like it or not, that's where we are . Until the conference becomes more competitive, that's where we will stay. Win the conference championship or accept a lower bowl. Less than the championship in this conference impresses nobody.

 

[OrangeGravy]

What kills me about the whole thing is a conference like the ACC. Outside of Clemson, every team is average to below average, but because Clemson, they get a pass

 

[Flatlandcoug]

This is what I've been saying! Where's Chip? Where's Yakima? Or the dude with the creepy Mexican baby in his ava?

All this bitching about having a better record than UW and we finally come across a Cougar with a brain who knows the schedule ya'll played. Yay!

What kind of rock have you been hiding under all year? You think anyone gives one sh!t about anything you say? Given that you haven't been here all year and show up just to talk smack now, it's obvious that you are a pathetic, t-shirt wearing, mouth-breathing front runner whose sorry a$$ will disappear once the Buckeyes lay an a$$ kicking on your sorry Huskies.

Talk sh!t now, because the Husky program is second rate and it's the main reason we are going to San Antonio instead of Phoenix. You've got the psychological edge on one team and I suppose that's great for you, but at the end of the day, I'd rather be 10-2 and a Coug than some loser from GRCC whose self worth is measured by wins in one game.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

That was 5 v 12, not 12 v 24/25.

And again, stop fcking telling me how to feel.

"We got raped by the cfp and the whole thing stinks."

Loyal - "you should just be happy you're having sex"

Again, we all understand how you feel, but you have to understand that every time you complain about the insult of being stuck in the Alamo Bowl, you sound like a freakin' jack Husky fan. "I know we lost one game this month but we had the best record in our conference! WE ARE BACK! Why doesn't the CFP committee recognize how great we are? Why should our mighty program have to face a cow college like ISU?! I think that they are just jealous of our medical school!"

The first time you say, "Hey, we got screwed and I don't think it's cool" is one thing. By the time it's been said 30-40 times in a week by a dozen people, and probably more than that, it just gets old. All the complaining in the world isn't going to change it and maybe it would be more enjoyable to talk about how Minshew and our receiving corps is going to shred Iowa State than to whine about not getting to go to Phoenix. Of course, it is a free country and if you want to sound like a Husky fan.....do your thing. Rant about our unrecognized greatness if that's what makes you feel good.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that trivializing rape because you are upset about a bowl game reflects a disturbing lack of perspective. I get that you are upset and all, but it's just a frickin' football game.

 

[TSKCoug]

San Antonio is a great location for a Bowl Game. Wonderful town to visit, things to see and good food to eat! All that coupled with a chance to get Win #11. That is pretty good all in all.

 

[earldacoug]

1. We talk about how we should have an easy non-con schedule to get wins. Well, this is what happens when we are good enough to not need those easy games. It bites us. Let's go down South and play one of those SEC teams again and make bank AND beat them.

2. We got ripped off big time against USC. Every one in the nation knows this now. But we choked in the Apple Cup for the 6th time straight, and this is the result. So we need to deal with it.

3. Posters whining about playing Iowa State instead of WV or whatever. I seem to recall #5 Texas whining about having to play "nobody" WSU in the Holiday Bowl in 2003. How did that turn out? We have the #2 Pac-12 bowl against a quality opponent that will apparently bring a lot of fans. So let's quit whining and be glad we are 10-2 and hope we back it up on the field. As opposed to the last 2 years.

I think our schedule to date has been perfect. We needed to become a winning team on a regular basis, go to bowl games regularly, before we started playing SEC type road games. If we played an SEC game this year and lost, had players injured in the game, ended up in EL Paso or worse, everyone would be bitching.

We had a lot of close games that we won. If we had a bunch of injuries from a body bag game and tougher schedule, we may very well of been 6-5 or worse and had a crap year. I am so thankful for a 10-2 season to date and the chance now to go to a great bowl and win an 11th game for the first time ever.

Now that we are winning regularly I think Chun can look to schedule a bit tougher schedule. But maybe we should be careful what we wish for ? We may not like the result.

 

[chipdouglas]

This is what I've been saying! Where's Chip? Where's Yakima? Or the dude with the creepy Mexican baby in his ava?

All this bitching about having a better record than UW and we finally come across a Cougar with a brain who knows the schedule ya'll played. Yay!

Seems Loyal is in good company here. The most basic Husky troll parks his car in the same garage!

 

[chipdouglas]

1. We talk about how we should have an easy non-con schedule to get wins. Well, this is what happens when we are good enough to not need those easy games. It bites us. Let's go down South and play one of those SEC teams again and make bank AND beat them.

2. We got ripped off big time against USC. Every one in the nation knows this now. But we choked in the Apple Cup for the 6th time straight, and this is the result. So we need to deal with it.

3. Posters whining about playing Iowa State instead of WV or whatever. I seem to recall #5 Texas whining about having to play "nobody" WSU in the Holiday Bowl in 2003. How did that turn out? We have the #2 Pac-12 bowl against a quality opponent that will apparently bring a lot of fans. So let's quit whining and be glad we are 10-2 and hope we back it up on the field. As opposed to the last 2 years.

1. AFAIK there is zero precedent for volunteering for heavweight games, on the road(!), and it helping your season. But there are dozens of precedents for this hurting your season and playoff/bowl options. This sentiment is the equivalent of charging a machine gun nest just to show you're a badass.
2. I'm angrier at the gods for the AC whiteout, and for the Cal officiating, than I am about SC. But they all factored. People saying they didn't are trying to look magnanimous at the expense of being honest.
3. As BC&G said, stop telling people how they ought to feel. Compared to the lows of 2009 on, this is huge. Compared to how we sat 2 weeks ago, it's not. If you start shooting +20 on the golf course and you get your golf game down to par in 7 years, it's OK to be a little pissed to shoot +8.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I think our schedule to date has been perfect. We needed to become a winning team on a regular basis, go to bowl games regularly, before we started playing SEC type road games. If we played an SEC game this year and lost, had players injured in the game, ended up in EL Paso or worse, everyone would be bitching.

We had a lot of close games that we won. If we had a bunch of injuries from a body bag game and tougher schedule, we may very well of been 6-5 or worse and had a crap year. I am so thankful for a 10-2 season to date and the chance now to go to a great bowl and win an 11th game for the first time ever.

Now that we are winning regularly I think Chun can look to schedule a bit tougher schedule. But maybe we should be careful what we wish for ? We may not like the result.

Once you have the formula to go 10-2, I dont think you change it drastically. WSU is better off having their AD pissed and griping about NY6, than going 7-5 and not griping at all.

WSU needs wins. In conference, non conference, doesnt matter. Just win.

Another thing to consider is kick off times. If youre getting the late game every week your kids arent getting home until 5am or later. The deeper into the season you play, the more exhausted your kids become. Itll wear them down. I think its better to stay on the West Coast and play than travel over time zones.

 

[dgibbons]

I think our schedule to date has been perfect. We needed to become a winning team on a regular basis, go to bowl games regularly, before we started playing SEC type road games. If we played an SEC game this year and lost, had players injured in the game, ended up in EL Paso or worse, everyone would be bitching.

We had a lot of close games that we won. If we had a bunch of injuries from a body bag game and tougher schedule, we may very well of been 6-5 or worse and had a crap year. I am so thankful for a 10-2 season to date and the chance now to go to a great bowl and win an 11th game for the first time ever.

Now that we are winning regularly I think Chun can look to schedule a bit tougher schedule. But maybe we should be careful what we wish for ? We may not like the result.

I agree that the schedule has been perfect, but see no reason to schedule more difficult OOC games. WSU has to go undefeated to make the playoff, or finish with only one loss to make a NY6 game. We will get zero credit for losing a game against a tough opponent. One FCS, one MWC and one other group of five opponent or lower tier power 5 is the way to go. Every now and then one of the OOC opponents will be pretty good (like Boise in the past or Houston next season).

I wouldn't schedule a SEC school unless they agreed to come to Pullman first (they won't), and the buyout was $2,000,000 if canceled less than 25 months prior to the scheduled game. I wouldn't bother with one these quasi home "Classic" games at a "neutral" site in SEC territory either.

 

[CeMar_Clone]

They have 4 total losses, and 2 of them were to unranked Iowa and TCU; but all 4 of their losses were to Bowl teams this year.

And three of those before Brock Purdy took over at QB. He has lost one time. And he is from Arizona, PAC 12 country!

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

What have the Cougars done on ANY stage that should be respected? They failed to win their own division, let alone conference in a conference that is perceived as down.

You beat a 6-6 Wyoming, a 1-11 San Jose State, and a 10-2 FCS team as your non-co. Your loss to USC appeared impressive until they finished 5-7 and failed to make a bowl.

The only "impressive" road win you had this year was against Stanford who finished 8-4.

The three toughest games you went 2 of 3... all at home... Utah, Oregon (which don't look all that impressive now)... and you looked totally outclassed against UW, which blew it for you.

What perception are people supposed to have about the Cougars? You didn't prove anything, you didn't win anything that mattered... so who should care given your history as a program?

Your close loss to Auburn looked "impressive" until they went 3-5 in the SEC and 7-5 overall.

You let the whole conference down.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Seems Loyal is in good company here. The most basic Husky troll parks his car in the same garage!

What is the "creepy Mexican baby" avatar?

 

[Loyal Coug]

Seems Loyal is in good company here. The most basic Husky troll parks his car in the same garage!

1. AFAIK there is zero precedent for volunteering for heavweight games, on the road(!), and it helping your season. But there are dozens of precedents for this hurting your season and playoff/bowl options. This sentiment is the equivalent of charging a machine gun nest just to show you're a badass
2. As BC&G said, stop telling people how they ought to feel.

Well I would rather be aligned with that stupid mutt troll than be aligned with posters that hopefully die soon so I can be glad they are dead.

A week ago when I was crying in my beer over Apple Cup I had a bunch of people telling me how I should feel. Now the shoe is on the other foot and how dare I tell people how to feel? Which actually I wasn't saying. We make choices (weak non-con), which is fine. But they come at a potential price and this year we are paying it.

San Antonio is a great location for a Bowl Game. Wonderful town to visit, things to see and good food to eat! All that coupled with a chance to get Win #11. That is pretty good all in all.

And a win and 11-2 finish will certainly give WSU a final Top 10 ranking. Nothing bad about that. It is sort of crap that the Alamo is our #2 team against the Big 12's #3, seeing as how we have 12 teams and they have 10. Although this year it would be their #3 at best anyway since their #2 made the NY6. But that is logistics. Big-12 is smack in the middle of the country, and as easy (or easier) to get to the southeastern-based bowls than to ours. And in this case easier than for us to get to San Antonio.

 

[Loyal Coug]

What is the "creepy Mexican baby" avatar?

I assume he means disco's morbidly obese kid avatar. Not sure where the Mexican part comes from.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

On the notion that we are facing the #3 from the Big 12 by default, you're wrong. From the official Big 12 website:

Big 12 Bowl Partners
Once the CFP has filled its bowl slots, Big 12 bowl partners will make selections from the remaining bowl eligible teams. Following is the order of selection. A bowl may pick from any available teams when it reaches its spot in the selection order.
Valero Alamo
Camping World
Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas Bowl
AutoZone Liberty
Cheez-it
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces​

The Alamo gets the 1st selection of available Big 12 teams after the NY6 bowl games are announced.......just like they get the first selection of Pac-12 teams. They picked Iowa State because the rules allowed them to and they know that Iowa State fans are going to buy 30,000 tickets to the game. They picked WSU because we were the clear choice based on record, storylines, and expectations of fan support from our "Die Hard" fanbase plus Leach supporters in Texas. Y'all keep on reaching for ways to be down on this game, but in many cases, you're just flat out wrong.

Ironically, the #6 Big 12 team faces the #7 team from the Pac-12 in the Cheez-It Bowl. Go figure.

 

[Loyal Coug]

On the notion that we are facing the #3 from the Big 12 by default, you're wrong. From the official Big 12 website:

Big 12 Bowl Partners
Once the CFP has filled its bowl slots, Big 12 bowl partners will make selections from the remaining bowl eligible teams. Following is the order of selection. A bowl may pick from any available teams when it reaches its spot in the selection order.
Valero Alamo
Camping World
Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas Bowl
AutoZone Liberty
Cheez-it
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces​

The Alamo gets the 1st selection of available Big 12 teams after the NY6 bowl games are announced.......just like they get the first selection of Pac-12 teams. They picked Iowa State because the rules allowed them to and they know that Iowa State fans are going to buy 30,000 tickets to the game. They picked WSU because we were the clear choice based on record, storylines, and expectations of fan support from our "Die Hard" fanbase plus Leach supporters in Texas. Y'all keep on reaching for ways to be down on this game, but in many cases, you're just flat out wrong.

Ironically, the #6 Big 12 team faces the #7 team from the Pac-12 in the Cheez-It Bowl. Go figure.

Well excuuuuse me! That makes 3 times I have been wrong on this board in 16 years. Damn.

And who you talkin' y'all to? I'm not down on this bowl game. I will assume you were talking to others.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Well excuuuuse me! That makes 3 times I have been wrong on this board in 16 years. Damn.

And who you talkin' y'all to? I'm not down on this bowl game. I will assume you were talking to others.

You're not wrong. There is a lot of differing information out there. From the Alamo bowl wiki it states P12 #2 vs B12 #3.

The Alamo Bowl website makes it sound like they got the #5 and #6 teams in the nation "used its #1 selection rights after the CFP to select Iowa State from the Big 12 and Washington State from the Pac-12"

 

[chugspig]

Lol, give it a rest everyone. Yeah we didn’t get the respect that other got because of their conference. But it’s a good bowl.

This team will come out and spank our ass if our fans selling the idea within the program that we deserve better then Iowa St. this is all embarrassing.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Lol, give it a rest everyone. Yeah we didn’t get the respect that other got because of their conference. But it’s a good bowl.

This team will come out and spank our ass if our fans selling the idea within the program that we deserve better then Iowa St. this is all embarrassing.

fans control the outcome of the game?

And honestly, if we feel this was how do you think the players feel? I'm sure Leach/ GM will have them ready to play, but they have to be pretty raw about the snub as well.

 

[Observer11]

Fans don't mean jack to the outcome -

But as we saw two years ago against Minny, teams playing with emotion and a chip on their shoulder can inflict havoc on teams that are just happy to be there and are enjoying the reward of their long, hard season.

Better not to have any perceived disrespect that ends up locker room material for the Cyclones.

 

[chugspig]

fans control the outcome of the game?

And honestly, if we feel this was how do you think the players feel? I'm sure Leach/ GM will have them ready to play, but they have to be pretty raw about the snub as well.

No, they don’t control it at all. But it sounds like just about everyone associated with the program is pushing the message we deserved more.

I hope that doesn’t get misconstrued as: we are playing an overmatched team and this game is below us.

Iowa St has a better running back then Utah or UW and a great secondary.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

No, they don’t control it at all. But it sounds like just about everyone associated with the program is pushing the message we deserved more.

I hope that doesn’t get misconstrued as: we are playing an overmatched team and this game is below us.

Iowa St has a better running back then Utah or UW and a great secondary.

They did deserve more. End of story. I'm not making it up. Chun isn't making it up. Leach isn't making it up.

That being said, I believe (hope) Leach and Minshew will have the team ready to play. The only way ISU keeps it close is if they UW us- line up in ace formation double TE and pound it down our throats.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

You're not wrong. There is a lot of differing information out there. From the Alamo bowl wiki it states P12 #2 vs B12 #3.

The Alamo Bowl website makes it sound like they got the #5 and #6 teams in the nation "used its #1 selection rights after the CFP to select Iowa State from the Big 12 and Washington State from the Pac-12"

You may have missed the part where I mentioned that the information I posted was from the official Big 12 site. It doesn’t matter what other conflicting information you’ve read.....it is wrong in this instance.

 

[CognitiveDissonance]

What kind of rock have you been hiding under all year? You think anyone gives one sh!t about anything you say? Given that you haven't been here all year and show up just to talk smack now, it's obvious that you are a pathetic, t-shirt wearing, mouth-breathing front runner whose sorry a$$ will disappear once the Buckeyes lay an a$$ kicking on your sorry Huskies.

Talk sh!t now, because the Husky program is second rate and it's the main reason we are going to San Antonio instead of Phoenix. You've got the psychological edge on one team and I suppose that's great for you, but at the end of the day, I'd rather be 10-2 and a Coug than some loser from GRCC whose self worth is measured by wins in one game.

Woah, testy, testy.

Yeah, the Auburn loss doesn't look great now. And I would say that if the Huskies had lost 1 less game in conference, but failed to beat the Cougars, we should not/would not be considered for a NY6 bowl game... you know, kind of like the situation the Cougars are in? Difference is, we played Auburn in Atlanta and that garnered respect.

The Husky program is second rate to what? Alabama? Ohio St.? Clemson? Georgia? Shit, I'll take that. We're in the same boat as Michigan, Penn St. Oklahoma, Notre Dame, USC, LSU... which is great in my eyes. It's certainly not second rate to WSU - I hope that's not what you were inferring.

And no. I'd take a 10-3 Washington who won the AC, played a non-co game @Auburn, won the North, won the Pac 12 Championship and is going to the Rose Bowl over a 10-2 WSU team who played literal garbage in the non-co and is going to a mediocre bowl because it thank you very much.

 

[Fab5Coug]

It changes the perception of WSU from some quiet remote outpost school that nobody knows anything about to one that people do take notice of and knows that we are serious about football. Visibility is important.

Mike Leach brings visibility

Gameday in Pullman brings visibility

And rabid fan bases bring visibility too.

What would Notre Dame be without its visibility? Or Ohio State or Texas or Florida.

Visibility is everything and as a fan base a loud and relentless one gets people’s attention.

Anything we can do to raise our visibility is good in the game that is about eyeballs and tv ratings (which is what Bowl game bias is really about)

I noticed ISU's fanbase is all over Twitter. I clicked on an Alamo Bowl tweet expecting to see a bunch of Coug responses and there were hundreds of tweets from ISU fans.

Not sure if that had anything to do with the Alamo taking them over WVU, but I doubt it hurt. They are stoked to be in that bowl and have already bought a ton of tickets. We are definitely going to be the "road team" in this one.