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Good news, but unfortunately this might be related to the rumor of a potentially significant WR transfer upcoming.
I have no inside information apart from gossip, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I have no inside information apart from gossip, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Go raid EWU's WR cupboard. They caught tons of balls and Barriere is gone next year.
One kid from Federal Way, the other from Rainer Beach.
They are listing him as a DB commit. That said hope Stribbling sticks around, that would be a shitty loss he’s got a bright future.
JDL was well liked by his teammates, unfortunately he is probably recruiting some of his buddies, that doesn't surprise me. Many are still butt hurt over the Rolo decision, and I am sure the players and many here wrongly still blame Chun. What many fail to realized that if Chun didn't do something he was gone too. The media in this state made Rolo the poster boy for those "evil anti vaxers", there was a lot of big money in this State that was upset with Rolo to say the least. Think about it, this all started before the season, it started in the print media, a couple of articles here and there, then in September, it was on TV and Radio, 2-3 articles a week in the Seattle Times, WSU has never received this much attention. In reality WSU's hands were tied, you don't do as the state asks and the next thing you know Olympia is cutting back funding to the University for many different things, from educational programs, to research, and to athletics. Rolo made a choice, unfortunately I don't think he saw the big picture either, and it's easy to blame the Chun or the University, but it was a lot bigger than that. And the only person to blame for Rolo being gone is Rolo. Hopefully most have figured that out by now, yet there are those that refuse to accept that.
If you dont wanna be at WSU, get on. Go find an opportunity somewhere else. Make room for someone that does wanna be at WSU.
Well said. You rightfully put the end results on Rolo. He chose to make his stand on that particular hill and as a result he was fired. His choice. And you're also correct in your assertion that Chuns hands were essentially tied in the matter.
Ironically (and correctly) the esteemed (cough cough) Supreme Court subsequently ruled it unconstitutional to mandate vaccines. You are correct that Chun's hands were tied. I don't blame him. He's an excellent AD and did all he could given the circumstances.
I respect Rolo's decision and he was morally right. We all know that now.
Coaches can make hype videos, get a bunch of likes and follows by stud prospects......but by the end of the day its about securing that campus visit and getting that signature. You have to seal that deal. If someone walks, then we have to find someone who can replace that talent. Transfer Portal will just give more opportunities to the great recruiting assistants across the country.
No, they ruled that the federal government can’t force private employers to mandate vaccination. It had no impact on state employee mandates, or even on private employers implementing mandates on their own. Big difference.
I don’t think morality had anything to do with it. Rolo made the choice that he believed was right for him. I suspect that he didn’t believe he’d really be terminated, but as others have said…Chun and WSU didn’t have much latitude.
With that said....should we be concerned about the lack of transfer olinemen or way to early? It's seems from the comments (coaching staff) that the signing period is two parts. What happens today and then like 7 portal transfers.
I said the same thing. It was about government forcing employees via OSHA to be precise.
It is a moral issue in my view. We'll agree to disagree.
Atuaia, McGuire and Whitworth all are coaching positions of huge need. Now coaches recruit positions and regions per say......but the pressure is on those guys. They need to deliver if we are going to compete for a Pac 12 championship next season. Most of our targets haven't committed else where yet, but I'm starting to get worried.
Mentioned this one yesterday. High high quality walk on. He is brighter future than some of our Dec/Feb. Signings.
They need signatures. If they really thought the walk ons were gonna play, these kids would be signing LOIs.
11 2 star kids. It’s time to be concerned.
11 2 star kids. It’s time to be concerned.
If they keep signing kids like this, yes.
They have some good players. However, you cannot consistently fill your classes with 2 star players and expect to beat schools that have consistently signed 3 & 4 star players. Eventually you have to close kids that have multiple Pac 12 or Power 5 offers. They aren’t doing that. When the list is all FCS or G5 teams offering, it’s easy to close when you’re a P5 team.
There has never before been so much exposure for kids. The days of under the radar are slim and gone. Internet, social media, etc have all ramped up kids being seen. Huge recruiting staffs too.
Show me the Pac 12 school or Power 5 school(s) that signed 30 kids in three classes that were 2 star players and went to bowl games or played for division or league titles. And not once, consistently did this and proved it was a successful model. No one offs or one time, 20 years ago.
Chun paid his new coach more than UW paid their new coach.
No matter how that happens, it is always a mistake for a WSU AD to do that.
If it wasn't COVID, it would still be weaponized in any article discussing AD deficits.
What did you think of him at qb?
I’d love to see him as a qb in Ferris State’s +1 offense… fly offense….
I would love to see him on offense (WR) and take a few snaps in the wildcat. Looks like a baller. They underutilized Travell IMO he should have been getting direct snaps a couple times a game. Get the ball in the hands of your playmakers.
Mateer's twitter said he was signing at 2pm Central today. Is Little Elm still at recess? Let's go brotha, fire up that fax machine.
Are we talking 2.17 stars, 2.457stars, or 2.8132 stars? Where’s Mik, we need his breakdown.
Their ratings may not be high, but there are some kids on this list that I'm really looking forward to seeing on the field.
I sort of agree with Biggs about "under the radar" kids. But I don't think the "under the radar" recruits are gone, I just think the way you define them is different. 20-some years ago, nobody pursued Will Derting. Most probably never even heard of him. Today, they would.
Where I think the difference is, especially in the talent-rich areas, is that attention gets focused on the 4- & 5-star kids. Everyone shows up to see them, their names are in the articles and highlights. Those kids overshadow the 2-3 star kids (even some of the low 4s) who maybe need a little work or a redshirt year to add another star. They're good players, they just suffer by comparison to the big stars who are ready to step on the college field immediately. I think that even their ratings are lower than they should be because they're not the best at their position in their area, so they don't get the emphasis.
I think we've picked up a few of those kind of kids in this class. We'll see for sure in the next couple years.
I sort of agree with Biggs about "under the radar" kids. But I don't think the "under the radar" recruits are gone, I just think the way you define them is different. 20-some years ago, nobody pursued Will Derting. Most probably never even heard of him. Today, they would.
Where I think the difference is, especially in the talent-rich areas, is that attention gets focused on the 4- & 5-star kids. Everyone shows up to see them, their names are in the articles and highlights. Those kids overshadow the 2-3 star kids (even some of the low 4s) who maybe need a little work or a redshirt year to add another star. They're good players, they just suffer by comparison to the big stars who are ready to step on the college field immediately. I think that even their ratings are lower than they should be because they're not the best at their position in their area, so they don't get the emphasis.
I think we've picked up a few of those kind of kids in this class. We'll see for sure in the next couple years.
Some of these kids are good players. The staff has really evaluated well. I always ask myself what kids would do if they played in WA high school football instead of CA or TX.
However, star power does play a role. Not everyone can be under the radar or hidden gem or developmental. You gotta get some guys at some point.
The extra covid year will impact high school kids getting rides. You may see some kids that would usually be going somewhere bigger slide a bit because those teams rosters fill up with 6th year players and transfers.
I always ask myself what kids would do if they played in the GSL, Big 9 or IEL instead of the NE B League.
Speaking of contributors, the 2004 class was the highest rated class in the past 20 years. Other sites have listed top 25 in the nation.
Out of the 28 signees only 4 were significant contributors
Michael Bumpus
Jerome Harrison
Jedzilla
Ty Brakenridge
24 saw either limited playing time, washed out, were injured or never made it to Pullman
The 2014 class wasn't ranked in the top 50 and only had 4 major contributors, 3 of which are currently on NFL rosters.
The 2016 class wasn't ranked in the top 50 and had 15 signees who ended up being major contributors.
IMO If you get 8+ signees per class contributing (1+ year as a starter) over the course of their career one could consider it a successful class. It's one big crap shoot.
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Gonna have to respectfully disagree with you there. Not to say MP didn’t find some fast LBs but hand timed HS reported 40s from 1992 aren’t exactly the most accurate. Although I do think they got D Horton’s 4.9 40 pretty close.
I'd say that every one of the walk-ons are good players, and most or all probably have the right work ethic and chip on their shoulder. That is very important when they are getting up really early to spend 60-90 minutes in the weight room while everybody else on campus is still in bed. How many will become PAC-level 1's or 2's? Hard to say, particularly with all the recruiting weirdness going on this year...but I won't be surprised if 20-25% work their way to that point. I totally agree with the other posters that wished we had some 40 times to look at. Still, PWO's are a great investment. They don't take the place of guys to whom you automatically know you will award a scholie, but they are a good piece of the puzzle and they often show a work ethic that pushes some of the new scholie kids. So...all in all...I'm glad to see them. I suspect that next season, with a staff in place for a year, we'll sign a more highly rated class. What I'm really waiting to see is if/how the NCAA tweaks the NLI and transfer wild west that is going on right now. I'm also curious to see just how many transfer kids left behind a scholarship someplace and did not find a new scholie at the other end. I'm guessing the numbers who jumped themselves out of a free education will be mid-100's, maybe close to a thousand. That too will probably trigger some NCAA action. Not sure what, but it promises to be interesting....
It's funny, when was the last time anyone here has used a fax machine? They don't actually use those on signing day, right?
It's definitely a bad idea for coaches at a school like WSU to get obsessed with star power. That 2004 class was loaded with talented guys that came to WSU because they had character or grade issues that kept some of the big names from offering them. And those dudes washed out. Character & good talent is better than no character & elite talent.
Sometimes, you see a kid who did something dumb one time and you might give them a break. Serial offenders should be avoided. I saw roses04's post and in general, he is right, but if you get 5 four star guys and two end up being great, two wash out and one hits the transfer portal for a better opportunity, you might find that the 10 two star guys were a better long term investment, particularly if two end up being great, and six end up being solid contributors.
Write off the last two years of recruiting. Once the great reset kicks in the Cougs will sign nothing but five stars and they'll all fart huckleberry scented gas. WSU will have NIL monies since all the student debt will be forgiven and the millennials will have massive disposable income.
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Trust the authorities. It will be football utopia.
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