That win over EWU
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They are a very good Big Sky team. They would not finish in the middle of the PAC.
Fair enough
I guess I’m just a sucker for creative play calling with high octane offensive ability encompassed by dynamic quarterback play.
Something your team has none of.
Correct. But they would finish above the bottom of the BigTen, Big-12, and ACC. Most likely the SEC as well.
Any FCS National Champion is good enough to finish .500 6th place in this years Pac 12
Just look at Appy State, who used to be FCS, beat Michigan, back when Appy Statevwas FCS, when Michigan was a good, great team.
That Appy State team would have finished 500, 6th place in this years PAC 12.
Not sure EWU is as good as a FCS national champ.
But IF EWU as good as a FCS national champ Appy State was, they EWU would finish 500, 6th in this years PAC 12.
The current Big Sky isn't your daddy's Big Sky conference.
It is full of former DII schools with questionable commitment to athletics.
The NAU vs Sacramento State was cancelled due to the fires last week and will not be made up. Low revenue and lack of interest.
And on the football coaching staffs you have plenty of retreads including some low IQ low energy Jim Sterk staffers.
EWU has to their credit taken advantage of being the only FCS team in second most populous state in the Big Sky and being nearby one of the major cities of that conference.
9 Pac 12 conference games vs 8 Big Sky conference games (of which 4 are always walkovers). They'd get physically chewed up.
They'd possibly be favored over OSU - but the perhaps question should be reversed - would OSU win the Big Sky? Idaho State was 5-3 in that league
It is full of former DII schools with questionable commitment to athletics.
The NAU vs Sacramento State was cancelled due to the fires last week and will not be made up. Low revenue and lack of interest.
And on the football coaching staffs you have plenty of retreads including some low IQ low energy Jim Sterk staffers.
EWU has to their credit taken advantage of being the only FCS team in second most populous state in the Big Sky and being nearby one of the major cities of that conference.
9 Pac 12 conference games vs 8 Big Sky conference games (of which 4 are always walkovers). They'd get physically chewed up.
They'd possibly be favored over OSU - but the perhaps question should be reversed - would OSU win the Big Sky? Idaho State was 5-3 in that league
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EWU would beat Oregon State. Probably Colorado. Depending on which UCLA team showed up, they could beat the Bruins too.
They would be serious underdogs in every other game against Pac-12 teams. The depth isn't there to compete for an entire conference schedule.
They would be serious underdogs in every other game against Pac-12 teams. The depth isn't there to compete for an entire conference schedule.
The USED TO BE FCS Appy State team that went to the FCS National Championship game, that beat a good Michigan Team, would probably go 5-7 vs this years Pac 12.
They would have beaten OSU, Colorado, UCLA, 2 other Pac 12 teams.
Thing is though since I dont follow FCS, that well I not sure if EWU as good as a FCS national champ or as good as Appy State FCS team that beat Michigan.
Now could Appy State or EWU have gone 5-7 vs Pac 12 consistently every year?
Hell no.
They would have beaten OSU, Colorado, UCLA, 2 other Pac 12 teams.
Thing is though since I dont follow FCS, that well I not sure if EWU as good as a FCS national champ or as good as Appy State FCS team that beat Michigan.
Now could Appy State or EWU have gone 5-7 vs Pac 12 consistently every year?
Hell no.
Even OSU might outscore them; offense isn't OSU's problem. They wouldn't be likely to beat UCLA now. Maybe at the start of the season, but not now. It would also have mattered when they played Colorado--maybe they'd have a chance beat CU now, but they probably would not have beaten CU in September. None of this is to say they wouldn't win a game or two. So would the other teams at the top of the Big Sky.
And yet, I hope you'll encourage your alma mater not to leave us for the Big Sky.
Surprised you picked Appalachian State as your example rather than the more recently dominating North Dakota State. The Bison have won FCS championship 5 of the last 6 years and since 2006, are 9-3 vs. FBS competition. This includes road wins vs. Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Minnesota. Despite all that, I would agree with others that a weekly grind of playing in a P5 conference would likely wear them down....although I personally think NDSU would be a middle-of-the-pack team in non-P5 conferences and certainly better than the bottom feeders of P-5 conferences. I also think they would be a borderline bowl team each year if they played in the Mid-American. Conference USA, Sun Belt, or even Mountain West. Probably would get 6 wins in most years as long as they maintain their current level of play.
Interestingly, no FBS school has scheduled NDSU since 2016 (when they beat #13 Iowa)...but the Pac-12 will get a chance in the near future. Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado have scheduled the Bison in 2020, 2022, and 2024 respectively.
Glad Cougar
True, there is a weekly grind in a P5 conference. Bigger and faster players hitting each other week after week just doesn't happen at a FCS school. Not to mention that when BCS schools play FCS schools, the players just do not take it seriously and the FCS school usually plays it's best game of the year.
Yeah NDSU is a better example. Just couldnt think of them at the time.
I agree that even NDSU would NOT CONSISTENTLY go 5-7 in a Power 5.
Only reason why I think NDSU would have a chance to go 5-7 in THIS YEAR'S PAC 12 and no other Pac 12 year, is this is probably one of the weakest years in Pac 12 History.
In a extremely weak Pac 12 NDSU could have a chance to go 5-7 in Pac 12, 1 time, and ONLY 1 time.
But your right that any other time, Most, Almost the whole time, NDSU would only win 3,4 games at best in Pac 12.
If NDSU were in Pac 12 for 20 years, and IF NDSU were to play at FCS championship level, for that 20 years, while in Pac 12 for 20 years, NDSU would only win 1,2, maybe 3 games, and 1 time out of 20 tries win 3,4,5,6 games.
Even if NDSU were to be able to do that against Pac 12. I am either not sure EWU is as good as NDSU, or think EWU is not as good, and thus think EWU might win 5 games in Pac 12 once every 200 years, if it were possible for EWU to be in Pac 12 for 200 years.
Not sure how you can confidently say that. The year they beat us they would have. The year they took you guys to the wire with VA they would have as well.
Playing a Pac-12 team once a year in September is very different than playing 9 Pac-12 games a season.
They might beat 1-2 teams in the Big-10. Maybe 1 in the Big-12. They wouldn’t win a game in the SEC.
If EWU played any full P5 conference schedule, they’d get meat ground. Spring a few upsets maybe, but they would be physically torn up.
Utah routinely dominated the Mountain West before jumping to the PAC-12. They had two undefeated seasons (one where they finished 2nd and another 4th). Upon joining the PAC-12, they immediately became a .500 team and took the better part of a decade to make them into contenders at the P5 level. For a team like Eastern to skip a step and go straight to the Pac, well, I'm guessing they play competitively in non-conference (beating the FCS team on there schedule and splitting against the Mountain West teams they played). Once PAC play starts, they would be competitive until the injury bug rears its ugly head.
They already aren't a good defensive team, add the challenge of playing a more talented team each and every week, and the losses would pile up quickly. They might go 4-8 if they catch teams napping, but I'm not sold.
They already aren't a good defensive team, add the challenge of playing a more talented team each and every week, and the losses would pile up quickly. They might go 4-8 if they catch teams napping, but I'm not sold.
EWU would / could beat the Beavs this year.... I have no doubt. Colorado and UCLA on given days.... also.
