The good and the bad....

[CougEd]

First, for going 5-1 and almost 6-0 Leach should be coach of the year. His ability to find Minshew and get him coached up as quickly as he did is impressive. Without him we could be 3-3 or 4-2. The guy has a lightening release and that alone gets him out of sticky situations.

I know Stat-tron loves to look at stats. So I offer this stat-which defensive tackle would you rather have. Player A who has 5 solo tackles, 14 assists and 1.5 sacks, or player who has 8 solo, 9 assists, and 3 1/2 sacks. How close based on stats is that argument?

The truth is our dline is really struggling. And I will say I am pleasantly surprised by Comfort, and he still not controlling the line of scrimmage. I get that they stunt and sometimes they are naturally taken out of the play. Begg,Misiona Aiolupotea-Pei, Block and the whole are getting worked. Their best dlineman has been Rodger, and he still needs size. On OSU's three touchdown runs, if it was two hand touch it still would have been a TD.

Also, Smith either from his Husky days or since then really scouted WSU and knew all the special teams weakness. If the kicker simply keeps the ball in play the on-sides kick works. It was poor execution by the kicker but OSU certainly saw WSU's vulnerabilities. Matt Brock has to clean the simple things up...like alignment.

Looking at the schedule ahead there isn't a team we can't beat, and not sure there isn't a team we can't lose to. Oregon will give us problems. Does Cal have a QB? CU is the real deal.

 

[CougPatrol]

If we win 2 more games, this will be an unbelievably successful season. I think we'll win 3 more, but the dreaded home game vs. Arizona the week before the home Apple Cup is concerning. That atmosphere is gonna be dead.

 

[Cougatron]

First, for going 5-1 and almost 6-0 Leach should be coach of the year. His ability to find Minshew and get him coached up as quickly as he did is impressive. Without him we could be 3-3 or 4-2. The guy has a lightening release and that alone gets him out of sticky situations.

I know Stat-tron loves to look at stats. So I offer this stat-which defensive tackle would you rather have. Player A who has 5 solo tackles, 14 assists and 1.5 sacks, or player who has 8 solo, 9 assists, and 3 1/2 sacks. How close based on stats is that argument?

The truth is our dline is really struggling. And I will say I am pleasantly surprised by Comfort, and he still not controlling the line of scrimmage. I get that they stunt and sometimes they are naturally taken out of the play. Begg,Misiona Aiolupotea-Pei, Block and the whole are getting worked. Their best dlineman has been Rodger, and he still needs size. On OSU's three touchdown runs, if it was two hand touch it still would have been a TD.

Also, Smith either from his Husky days or since then really scouted WSU and knew all the special teams weakness. If the kicker simply keeps the ball in play the on-sides kick works. It was poor execution by the kicker but OSU certainly saw WSU's vulnerabilities. Mele has to clean the simple things up...like alignment.

Looking at the schedule ahead there isn't a team we can't beat, and not sure there isn't a team we can't lose to. Oregon will give us problems. Does Cal have a QB? CU is the real deal.

Stats are production Ed. It is the metric used to measure production. Production is what matters because in the end...the score is a stat on scoring production.

Player performance is judged on stats.

Mele isn’t the special teams coach Ed.

Learn who is coaching what.

 

[etowncoug]

First, for going 5-1 and almost 6-0 Leach should be coach of the year. His ability to find Minshew and get him coached up as quickly as he did is impressive. Without him we could be 3-3 or 4-2. The guy has a lightening release and that alone gets him out of sticky situations.

I know Stat-tron loves to look at stats. So I offer this stat-which defensive tackle would you rather have. Player A who has 5 solo tackles, 14 assists and 1.5 sacks, or player who has 8 solo, 9 assists, and 3 1/2 sacks. How close based on stats is that argument?

The truth is our dline is really struggling. And I will say I am pleasantly surprised by Comfort, and he still not controlling the line of scrimmage. I get that they stunt and sometimes they are naturally taken out of the play. Begg,Misiona Aiolupotea-Pei, Block and the whole are getting worked. Their best dlineman has been Rodger, and he still needs size. On OSU's three touchdown runs, if it was two hand touch it still would have been a TD.

Also, Smith either from his Husky days or since then really scouted WSU and knew all the special teams weakness. If the kicker simply keeps the ball in play the on-sides kick works. It was poor execution by the kicker but OSU certainly saw WSU's vulnerabilities. Mele has to clean the simple things up...like alignment.

Looking at the schedule ahead there isn't a team we can't beat, and not sure there isn't a team we can't lose to. Oregon will give us problems. Does Cal have a QB? CU is the real deal.

Taylor Comfort is trying really hard out there and have made a few big plays this year. He's also the best NT we have. But he, like the rest of the D-Line is routinely getting worked. Teams are having success running against us this year because the DL just isn't that good. We mitigate the damage by sometimes getting into the backfield for a tackle for loss and forcing teams to pass, but it's helpful to view our DL as a power hitter with a .220 batting average.

On the OSU playbook, I think this week was fantastic preparation for UW. Smith not only emptied his playbook to beat (it didn't work), but also showed us what we can expect in November from Peterson. I like two teams in our division running similar offenses, it will help us play in the future.

 

[CougEd]

Stats are production Ed. It is the metric used to measure production. Production is what matters because in the end...the score is a stat on scoring production.

Player performance is judged on stats.

Mele isn’t the special teams coach Ed.

Learn who is coaching what.

Got it. So are those two players the same Tron since they have similar "production"? And I fixed my post, Matt Brock. Does that change the context for you? Matt Brock got worked and needs to get that cleaned up.

 

[etowncoug]

Got it. So are those two players the same Tron since they have similar "production"?

Do they play different positions?

 

[CougEd]

Do they play different positions?

Nope.

 

[Cougatron]

Got it. So are those two players the same Tron since they have similar "production"? And I fixed my post, Matt Brock. Does that change the context for you? Matt Brock got worked and needs to get that cleaned up.

It depends Ed are we comparing Nose Tackles to Nose Tackles are we comparing DE to DE.

When the position is the same then you compare production at the position.

For example
Player A - rushes for 1200 yards 5.9 per carry
Player B - rushes for 1100 yards 4.3 per carry
Both over 12 games.

Both are running backs playing in the same style offense.

Who was more productive? Player A was more productive. He rushes for more yards and more yards per carry.

More production = better.

There are special cases for each position that should be taken into consideration like CB tackles.

Now a CB making tackles is not the best metric to measure corner back skills.

PBU pass break ups is a better measure.
Interceptions are a better measure
But a corner could be so good that nobody throws to them. So how do you measure that?

Well you measure pass attempts against him in coverage with a target metric. How many times was he targeted in attempts, how many were complete.

For a Nose tackle there are only a few metrics to measure their performance.

Tackles for loss
Tackles
Sacks
Fumbles Forced
(Maybe tipped balls)

That’s pretty much what they can do.

Go measure Comfort so far and Eukale last year.

Production is what matters. If it didn’t matter there wouldn’t be a scoreboard and 4 win coaches in year 4 would get to coach forever

 

[Cougatron]

To illustrate how production is important in determining performance.

Here is a DB

And here is his performance for 1 year.

59 solo tackles 17 assist 2 interceptions 9 pass deflected 6 fumbles forced 5 fumbles recovered and 2 for touchdowns.

Do you know which DB this is? (It’s not a WSU player)

Just looking at the production it’s safe to say that this probably is an impactful defensive back

 

[kougkurt]

Baker or Peters

To illustrate how production is important in determining performance.

Here is a DB

And here is his performance for 1 year.

59 solo tackles 17 assist 2 interceptions 9 pass deflected 6 fumbles forced 5 fumbles recovered and 2 for touchdowns.

Do you know which DB this is? (It’s not a WSU player)

Just looking at the production it’s safe to say that this probably is an impactful defensive back

 

[YakiCoug]

Stats are production Ed. It is the metric used to measure production. Production is what matters because in the end...the score is a stat on scoring production.

Player performance is judged on stats.

Mele isn’t the special teams coach Ed.

Learn who is coaching what.

Erictile D at his finest.

 

[Cougatron]

Baker or Peters

Good guesss but I don’t use Huskies for my examples. Both never had the production from the player in my example.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I would only add that DL there are other non-stat things to consider depending on what kind of D they play in or what is called for on that play. Things like keeping the guard or other O-linemen from getting to the linebackers. A NT standing up a double team to keep the backers clean etc...That kind of stuff is hard to see in real time unless your only watching one guy the whole time. It'd be like judging a NT on sacks when that's not really what he's there to do

 

[CougEd]

They are both interior dlineman . Com

It depends Ed are we comparing Nose Tackles to Nose Tackles are we comparing DE to DE.

When the position is the same then you compare production at the position.

For example
Player A - rushes for 1200 yards 5.9 per carry
Player B - rushes for 1100 yards 4.3 per carry
Both over 12 games.

Both are running backs playing in the same style offense.

Who was more productive? Player A was more productive. He rushes for more yards and more yards per carry.

More production = better.

There are special cases for each position that should be taken into consideration like CB tackles.

Now a CB making tackles is not the best metric to measure corner back skills.

PBU pass break ups is a better measure.
Interceptions are a better measure
But a corner could be so good that nobody throws to them. So how do you measure that?

Well you measure pass attempts against him in coverage with a target metric. How many times was he targeted in attempts, how many were complete.

For a Nose tackle there are only a few metrics to measure their performance.

Tackles for loss
Tackles
Sacks
Fumbles Forced
(Maybe tipped balls)

That’s pretty much what they can do.

Go measure Comfort so far and Eukale last year.

Production is what matters. If it didn’t matter there wouldn’t be a scoreboard and 4 win coaches in year 4 would get to coach forever

Both are interior dlineman .

I would only add that DL there are other non-stat things to consider depending on what kind of D they play in or what is called for on that play. Things like keeping the guard or other O-linemen from getting to the linebackers. A NT standing up a double team to keep the backers clean etc...That kind of stuff is hard to see in real time unless your only watching one guy the whole time. It'd be like judging a NT on sacks when that's not really what he's there to do

Bingo!

 

[CougEd]

It depends Ed are we comparing Nose Tackles to Nose Tackles are we comparing DE to DE.

When the position is the same then you compare production at the position.

For example
Player A - rushes for 1200 yards 5.9 per carry
Player B - rushes for 1100 yards 4.3 per carry
Both over 12 games.

Both are running backs playing in the same style offense.

Who was more productive? Player A was more productive. He rushes for more yards and more yards per carry.

More production = better.

There are special cases for each position that should be taken into consideration like CB tackles.

Now a CB making tackles is not the best metric to measure corner back skills.

PBU pass break ups is a better measure.
Interceptions are a better measure
But a corner could be so good that nobody throws to them. So how do you measure that?

Well you measure pass attempts against him in coverage with a target metric. How many times was he targeted in attempts, how many were complete.

For a Nose tackle there are only a few metrics to measure their performance.

Tackles for loss
Tackles
Sacks
Fumbles Forced
(Maybe tipped balls)

That’s pretty much what they can do.

Go measure Comfort so far and Eukale last year.

Production is what matters. If it didn’t matter there wouldn’t be a scoreboard and 4 win coaches in year 4 would get to coach forever

Actually the film shows much much more. Are they taking on blocks . Are they keeping guards and centers off the backers . If a lineman gets blown off the ball and makes a tackle in the secondary what does that stat tell you?

 

[Cougatron]

Actually the film shows much much more. Are they taking on blocks . Are they keeping guards and centers off the backers . If a lineman gets blown off the ball and makes a tackle in the secondary what does that stat tell you?

No Ed. The film is for technique and to see why they are/aren’t creating production.

If the lineman is blown off the ball (meaning a running play because most offensive lineman step forward to run block) where are the linebackers to fill the gap.

Also you are missing tackles for loss which most certainly is not getting blown off the ball.

Production is what matters.

22.5 tackles for loss
10.5 sacks

Which DLineman from last year did that?

Hercules. You can see performance in production.

I don’t have to look at film to know he’s good. I look at the data and it tells me he is good.

 

[Cougatron]

Baker or Peters

And the DB with 59 solo tackles 17 assist 2 interceptions 9 pass deflected 6 fumbles forced 5 fumbles recovered and 2 for touchdowns...




This guy. Tyrann Mathieu

Looking at his data you have no idea that he's just 5'9 and 175 lbs.

But from a production standpoint. He stands out. He stands out tremendously, And that's why a guy who only played a couple years in college was drafted in the NFL. 3rd round pick only 2 years of football after high school with a drug record.


To illustrate another sophomore year standout based on production.

Here's a guy who as a DLman produced 40 solo tackles 14 assists 23 tackles for loss, 13 sacks and 3 forced fumbles with 1 recovery.

Who is this player with 23 tackles for loss 13 sacks and 3 forced fumbles in a single season? Jadeveon Clowney.


This isn't pop warner, this isn't high school ball. It's college ball, and just like the Coaches are judged on their performance of wins/losses and record. So too are players for what they do in terms of production.

Minshew isn't the Rose Bowl player of the Week because he moves well in the pocket, goes through his reads quickly, and has a quick release.

Those are skillsets, but skillsets mean jackshit if they don't produce.

Minshew is the Rose Bowl player of the week because he threw for over 400 yards had 5 TDs and 0 interceptions.

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

More meaningless insights by E.D.

I’m telling you, he’s the loudmouth at the bar or in the stands that thinks he knows everything, but is consistently wrong due to not actually checking his views vs. reality.

The Internet has made him a fool.

 

[Coug90]

And the DB with 59 solo tackles 17 assist 2 interceptions 9 pass deflected 6 fumbles forced 5 fumbles recovered and 2 for touchdowns...

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This guy. Tyrann Mathieu

Looking at his data you have no idea that he's just 5'9 and 175 lbs.

But from a production standpoint. He stands out. He stands out tremendously, And that's why a guy who only played a couple years in college was drafted in the NFL. 3rd round pick only 2 years of football after high school with a drug record.


To illustrate another sophomore year standout based on production.

Here's a guy who as a DLman produced 40 solo tackles 14 assists 23 tackles for loss, 13 sacks and 3 forced fumbles with 1 recovery.

Who is this player with 23 tackles for loss 13 sacks and 3 forced fumbles in a single season? Jadeveon Clowney.


This isn't pop warner, this isn't high school ball. It's college ball, and just like the Coaches are judged on their performance of wins/losses and record. So too are players for what they do in terms of production.

Minshew isn't the Rose Bowl player of the Week because he moves well in the pocket, goes through his reads quickly, and has a quick release.

Those are skillsets, but skillsets mean jackshit if they don't produce.

Minshew is the Rose Bowl player of the week because he threw for over 400 yards had 5 TDs and 0 interceptions.

Safeties aren’t accounted for in the run game for the most part. They have WRs half ass trying to block them sometimes. I get where you are coming from but it’s a bit apples an oranges to talk about D Line production vs DB production when it comes to tackles. There are some very productive D Lineman that clog running lanes and are difficult to move without putting up a ton of tackles. I’m in between on this argument. For a walk on can’t really complain about what Comfort is doing. The other side is, going forward we need more beef on the line. We have lb/safety sized guys playing D end and D end sized guys playing D tackle. They have moments where they play ok, but they are getting it handed to them plenty in the run game and having trouble getting pressure in the pass game without heavy blitzes.

 

[Cougatron]

Safeties aren’t accounted for in the run game for the most part. They have WRs half ass trying to block them sometimes. I get where you are coming from but it’s a bit apples an oranges to talk about D Line production vs DB production when it comes to tackles. There are some very productive D Lineman that clog running lanes and are difficult to move without putting up a ton of tackles. I’m in between on this argument. For a walk on can’t really complain about what Comfort is doing. The other side is, going forward we need more beef on the line. We have lb/safety sized guys playing D end and D end sized guys playing D tackle. They have moments where they play ok, but they are getting it handed to them plenty in the run game and having trouble getting pressure in the pass game without heavy blitzes.

I showed you Jadaveon Clowney’s production as well.

But let’s take a look at the production from WSU defensive line.
A good defensive line is good against the Run and also good at putting pressure on the QB.

We will be looking at Tackles for loss, Sacks, and Rush defense.


Rush defense Rank -
4th in conference averaging 3.9 yards / carry
#57 nationally better than Colorado, Oklahoma, USC, Stanford

Sacks
1st in conference with 18
#15 nationally better than Oklahoma, Stanford, Notre Dame, UW etc.

Tackles for Loss
2nd in conference with 40
#34 Nationally better than USC, Stanford, LSU, Texas, Utah etc.


I don’t think when you lead the conference in sacks and are 2nd in Tackles for loss are you getting handed to you.

This is a 5-1 team and except for the refs / special teams miscue it would be a 6-0 team.

If any particular thing that is a problem it’s the kicking game missing an extra point/blocked kick against USC and the muffed punt by the safety Thompson in a prevent.

The special teams has struggled and it has cost us a game/key mistake.

The D-line is doing just fine. The one thing that is missing from last year on the D-line that we don’t have this year is a dominating rush player like Matafa. But even without him collectively the D line is putting pressure, they are stuffing leading to tackling behind the LOS, and are averaging less than 4 ypc.

In fact this year at 3.9 yards per carry rush defense is less than the 4.2 we finished with last year.

Through six games the 2018 rush defense is performing better than in 2017.

 

[CougEd]

It depends Ed are we comparing Nose Tackles to Nose Tackles are we comparing DE to DE.

When the position is the same then you compare production at the position.

For example
Player A - rushes for 1200 yards 5.9 per carry
Player B - rushes for 1100 yards 4.3 per carry
Both over 12 games.

Both are running backs playing in the same style offense.

Who was more productive? Player A was more productive. He rushes for more yards and more yards per carry.

More production = better.

There are special cases for each position that should be taken into consideration like CB tackles.

Now a CB making tackles is not the best metric to measure corner back skills.

PBU pass break ups is a better measure.
Interceptions are a better measure
But a corner could be so good that nobody throws to them. So how do you measure that?

Well you measure pass attempts against him in coverage with a target metric. How many times was he targeted in attempts, how many were complete.

For a Nose tackle there are only a few metrics to measure their performance.

Tackles for loss
Tackles
Sacks
Fumbles Forced
(Maybe tipped balls)

That’s pretty much what they can do.

Go measure Comfort so far and Eukale last year.

Production is what matters. If it didn’t matter there wouldn’t be a scoreboard and 4 win coaches in year 4 would get to coach forever

Is that how stats work ? Jeez thanks for the lesson. Now teach me this , three interior dlineman , the stats are the following- player A 5 solo tackles , 14 assists and 1.5 sacks . Player B had 8 solo, 9 assists and 3 sacks . Player C had 17 solo, 8 assists no sacks and 6.5 tackles for loss. Please rate players based on production .

 

[CougEd]

No Ed. The film is for technique and to see why they are/aren’t creating production.

If the lineman is blown off the ball (meaning a running play because most offensive lineman step forward to run block) where are the linebackers to fill the gap.

Also you are missing tackles for loss which most certainly is not getting blown off the ball.

Production is what matters.

22.5 tackles for loss
10.5 sacks

Which DLineman from last year did that?

Hercules. You can see performance in production.

I don’t have to look at film to know he’s good. I look at the data and it tells me he is good.

Good grief . When the opposing team looks at film are you telling me they are looking why kids aren’t productive . Film will show kids who are out of position like being on the ground and can’t make the tackle. Film shows players not holding the line of scrimmage, not getting off blocks . Shows if they are getting physically beat.

And then it will show the mental mistakes that can be fixed as well .

If a DT is making the tackle in the secondary that is not production .

Were u in Pullman when Skip Hicks played in 1997?

 

[CougEd]

It depends Ed are we comparing Nose Tackles to Nose Tackles are we comparing DE to DE.

When the position is the same then you compare production at the position.

For example
Player A - rushes for 1200 yards 5.9 per carry
Player B - rushes for 1100 yards 4.3 per carry
Both over 12 games.

Both are running backs playing in the same style offense.

Who was more productive? Player A was more productive. He rushes for more yards and more yards per carry.

More production = better.

There are special cases for each position that should be taken into consideration like CB tackles.

Now a CB making tackles is not the best metric to measure corner back skills.

PBU pass break ups is a better measure.
Interceptions are a better measure
But a corner could be so good that nobody throws to them. So how do you measure that?

Well you measure pass attempts against him in coverage with a target metric. How many times was he targeted in attempts, how many were complete.

For a Nose tackle there are only a few metrics to measure their performance.

Tackles for loss
Tackles
Sacks
Fumbles Forced
(Maybe tipped balls)

That’s pretty much what they can do.

Go measure Comfort so far and Eukale last year.

Production is what matters. If it didn’t matter there wouldn’t be a scoreboard and 4 win coaches in year 4 would get to coach forever

Your correct that is the only statistical data. That is the problem. A true ng which WSU really doesn’t deploy is about eating space and players . Their job cannot be quantified by the stats that are kept and given to the public . Again why the film is so important .

 

[Coug90]

I showed you Jadaveon Clowney’s production as well.

But let’s take a look at the production from WSU defensive line.
A good defensive line is good against the Run and also good at putting pressure on the QB.

We will be looking at Tackles for loss, Sacks, and Rush defense.


Rush defense Rank -
4th in conference averaging 3.9 yards / carry
#57 nationally better than Colorado, Oklahoma, USC, Stanford

Sacks
1st in conference with 18
#15 nationally better than Oklahoma, Stanford, Notre Dame, UW etc.

Tackles for Loss
2nd in conference with 40
#34 Nationally better than USC, Stanford, LSU, Texas, Utah etc.


I don’t think when you lead the conference in sacks and are 2nd in Tackles for loss are you getting handed to you.

This is a 5-1 team and except for the refs / special teams miscue it would be a 6-0 team.

If any particular thing that is a problem it’s the kicking game missing an extra point/blocked kick against USC and the muffed punt by the safety Thompson in a prevent.

The special teams has struggled and it has cost us a game/key mistake.

The D-line is doing just fine. The one thing that is missing from last year on the D-line that we don’t have this year is a dominating rush player like Matafa. But even without him collectively the D line is putting pressure, they are stuffing leading to tackling behind the LOS, and are averaging less than 4 ypc.

In fact this year at 3.9 yards per carry rush defense is less than the 4.2 we finished with last year.

Through six games the 2018 rush defense is performing better than in 2017.

Compelling arguments. Not sure why my eyes are telling me otherwise. I think Claeys was a great hire and I have no complaints about him, just eyeball test when I watch games seems like we are consistently getting pushed around not setting the edge we’ll and losing contain too often etc. Ive been concerned about teams like Furd and UW defensively but your statistics make me feel better.

 

[CougEd]

More meaningless insights by E.D.

I’m telling you, he’s the loudmouth at the bar or in the stands that thinks he knows everything, but is consistently wrong due to not actually checking his views vs. reality.

The Internet has made him a fool.

Double S... what part do you find so offensive ? That we struggle on the dline ? Or that our special teams needs to be more disciplined ?

 

[OrangeGravy]

dry stats can be work when comparing 2 players playing the exact same position on the same team, but as soon as you move away from that they start telling you less of the story. There are too many variables from play to play and game to game and season to season. Stats have to be combined with actually watching what happens on every play or every game to get the full story.

All "tackles" aren't equal. The only thing you can for sure glean from that stat without actually watching the how/where/why, is that the particular player in question is probably a pretty sound tackler.

 

[OrangeGravy]

No Ed. The film is for technique and to see why they are/aren’t creating production.

If the lineman is blown off the ball (meaning a running play because most offensive lineman step forward to run block) where are the linebackers to fill the gap.

Also you are missing tackles for loss which most certainly is not getting blown off the ball.

Production is what matters.

22.5 tackles for loss
10.5 sacks

Which DLineman from last year did that?

Hercules. You can see performance in production.

I don’t have to look at film to know he’s good. I look at the data and it tells me he is good.

Ask a linebacker how many tackles he'll make if the guy(s) in front of him is getting blown off the ball. Even if he does get through the wash to make a tackle it's 6-10 yards down field. Sure it's a good thing he made the tackle, but how many of those tackles do you want him making? If he has 90 tackles and 65 of them are of that variety, does that mean he's more productive than a linebacker that makes 70 tackles and only 25 of them were in that scenario? One has better guys in front of him which can limit his opportunity to rack up tackles in a good way. Production is one metric, but unless you have a way to measure the efficiency of that production it doesn't paint a complete picture.

Sometimes just looking at numbers tells you a guy is good. 10.5 sacks needs no further explanation. It tells you a guy gets to the QB and finishes. Even then, how do you evaluate a player that has 15 tackles and 3 sacks, but got to the QB 15 other times flushing him into someone else by only looking at his stat line? Sometimes stats tell you about a player and sometimes they don't.

 

[Cougatron]

Ask a linebacker how many tackles he'll make if the guy(s) in front of him is getting blown off the ball. Even if he does get through the wash to make a tackle it's 6-10 yards down field. Sure it's a good thing he made the tackle, but how many of those tackles do you want him making? If he has 90 tackles and 65 of them are of that variety, does that mean he's more productive than a linebacker that makes 70 tackles and only 25 of them were in that scenario? One has better guys in front of him which can limit his opportunity to rack up tackles in a good way. Production is one metric, but unless you have a way to measure the efficiency of that production it doesn't paint a complete picture.

Sometimes just looking at numbers tells you a guy is good. 10.5 sacks needs no further explanation. It tells you a guy gets to the QB and finishes. Even then, how do you evaluate a player that has 15 tackles and 3 sacks, but got to the QB 15 other times flushing him into someone else by only looking at his stat line? Sometimes stats tell you about a player and sometimes they don't.

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

 

[etowncoug]

I'm disappointed no one has addressed my point so I'll restate it. Comfort loses more plays than he wins, but has a knack for making big plays when he does win.

 

[YakiCoug]

We're seeing some classic ediocy in this thread. We saw nary a peep of pissing and moaning from Erictile D during 9 and 40, but he's a river of bitching during the success of the last three and a half seasons. This husky dad has gone full-on purple here.

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

 

[spongewatch]

We're seeing some classic ediocy in this thread. We saw nary a peep of pissing and moaning from Erictile D during 9 and 40, but he's a river of bitching during the success of the last three and a half seasons. This husky dad has gone full-on purple here.

And here you are again obsessing about Ed. How did I know your post was about Ed before even looking at it? Pretty simple. It's all you think about and all you post about.

 

[YakiCoug]

And here you are again obsessing about Ed. How did I know your post was about Ed before even looking at it? Pretty simple. It's all you think about and all you post about.

Don't worry your chubby chins about it, Markie. We all know you look up to big sis, being that he actually graduated from WSU, even though all it got him was a glorified Money Tree job.

 

[spongewatch]

Don't worry your chubby chins about it, Markie. We all know you look up to big sis, being that he actually graduated from WSU, even though all it got him was a glorified Money Tree job.

You are such an F'ng retard.

Yeah, a "glorified Money Tree Job" is helping people make the biggest purchase they will ever make in their life...and getting paid very well to do it.

 

[CougEd]

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

Weird ... why do you think coaches don’t look at what you are looking at and give them a grade . As Orange said if the DT is making the tackle 8 yards in the secondary that player isn’t being productive .

Again, tell me how you would stack up these three interior lineman. Player A 5 solo, 14 assists and 1.5 sacks . Player B 8 solo, 9 assists and 3 sacks p

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

Don't worry your chubby chins about it, Markie. We all know you look up to big sis, being that he actually graduated from WSU, even though all it got him was a glorified Money Tree job.

Oh Joseph A Bankless...---- I am so sorry the only mortgages you are familiar with are the ones originated with the likes of the Money Store and Deadbeat Mortgage.I understand your frustration with the lending industry, I really do. Also, when you can show me how people can buy a home with borrowing money, then let me know and I will either retire or transition into something else.

What I don't get is why my living is even on your radar. It is truly remarkable. Also, why are you more concerned with the "title" than with what one makes.

 

[CougEd]

We're seeing some classic ediocy in this thread. We saw nary a peep of pissing and moaning from Erictile D during 9 and 40, but he's a river of bitching during the success of the last three and a half seasons. This husky dad has gone full-on purple here.

Yaki...you do crack me up. saying Mike Leach should be coach of the year is a bitch? Yeah, if that is the case I am guilty. Saying we have Dline issues and our offense is covering them up is a huge complaint. I will say I am confused. in 13 and 16 you complained I wasn't around, no you are saying I am full complaint mode.

In terms of PW era-one would think you would forget about it, but since you brought it up I will address it and present it in a way that may make more sense. say I am your father, and you have a sibling that is brilliant and well mannered, and then there is you. Yeah I would have different expectation levels of your sibling than yo. Make sense?

 

[CougEd]

I'm disappointed no one has addressed my point so I'll restate it. Comfort loses more plays than he wins, but has a knack for making big plays when he does win.

I will address it. It is spot on. There isn't a coach that looks at the and when theya re getting blown off the ball says look at the stats. Comfort is playing WAAAY better than ever hoped. But if Eukale had another season he would not be seeing the field despite the stats say they are one in the same.

Coaches grade a player not on their stats. Yes, if they are like Herc it is simple to look at it and say that guy is constantly up field.

Take Richard Sherman. His picks went down because people quit targeting him. As did his pass break ups as they threw in other players direction.

 

[CougEd]

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

More meaningless insights by E.D.

I’m telling you, he’s the loudmouth at the bar or in the stands that thinks he knows everything, but is consistently wrong due to not actually checking his views vs. reality.

The Internet has made him a fool.

BTW when I do go to a bar if people hear me it is the laughter. You have the wrong person Chandler.

 

[CougEd]

Stats do tell you everything if you understand how to actually interpret the data.

The score in the end of a game is a stat. It tells you who won and who lost.

Individual and team stats in various formats tell you about the production of a player given a scenario. You can use that data and compare against similar players in similar scenarios to determine effectiveness.

In your given scenario the “guy in front” is getting blown off the ball.

There is this regular claim that is happening, but if a player in front is “getting blown off the ball”. Then how would said player record sacks and tackles for loss (two stats that are predicated on not getting blown off the ball)
If that were the case. It is impossible.

If defensive lineman x is blown off the ball on every play then he would never record a sack and never record a tackle for loss.

It would be impossible because a player blown off the ball would never be in position to record such a stat.

That’s why the two most important stats for d lineman are tackles for loss and sacks.

Now how do you measure the efficiency of it? You can.

You take the number of passing plays that player is in and calculate the frequency of sacks. Real simple. Some places do hurries, some calculate “havoc”.

For run plays same thing. Frequency of tackles for loss.

Production is everything and it can be measured.

Stats tell a limited story. Yeah, look at Herc and he is an All American. But Comfort , Begg, nor Fernandez stats have come to those results. I noticed you believe in the stats so much you refused to rate the three players. Player A had 5 solo tackles, 14 assists, 1.5 Tackles for loss, and no sacks. Player B was 8 solo, 9 assists, 3 tackles for loss and 1 sack. Player C had 17 solo, 8 assists 6.5 tackles for loss and no sacks. On the surface you are saying the three players have similar stats. And I will tell you Player B is the best by far...not even close.

A running back in 1997 against the Cougs ran for 190 yards, 27 carries. 7 Yards a carry? A good game?

You are the stat guy, you can make that evaluation for that game.

 

[YakiCoug]

Stats tell a limited story. Yeah, look at Herc and he is an All American. But Comfort , Begg, nor Fernandez stats have come to those results. I noticed you believe in the stats so much you refused to rate the three players. Player A had 5 solo tackles, 14 assists, 1.5 Tackles for loss, and no sacks. Player B was 8 solo, 9 assists, 3 tackles for loss and 1 sack. Player C had 17 solo, 8 assists 6.5 tackles for loss and no sacks. On the surface you are saying the three players have similar stats. And I will tell you Player B is the best by far...not even close.

A running back in 1997 against the Cougs ran for 190 yards, 27 carries. 7 Yards a carry? A good game?

You are the stat guy, you can make that evaluation for that game.

Wow. Five consecutive posts within a short amount of time. Manic, are you? At least you didn't sucker anyone into a predatory loan during this time, Erictile D.

 

[YakiCoug]

BTW when I do go to a bar if people hear me it is the laughter. You have the wrong person Chandler.

Still disrobing in bars?