The sound of silence today says it all.

[nicenez]

When Moos loses the fanatic fan apathy has truly reared it's head.

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by nicenez:
When Moos loses the fanatic fan apathy has truly reared it's head.

Not really...because the longtime cynics take their place and they're more than willing to offer no hope.

 

[wulffbone]

Moos sold the Cougar faithful a beautiful house, with little inside.

Players make a team, not the frills. His schtick worked at oregon because it brought in top players. Not so at WSU. More time isn't going to help much either.

One six win team every decade is just about right vs this league no matter who coaches.

 

[LoneStarsGhost]

We're doomed.

It'll never work

 

[ElComanche]

It seems like some fans are always forecasting doom and gloom. I believe that Leach bounces back and the cougs will be much better next year.Hell if fands could give Wulff all that time,They can keep backing Leach for a couple of more seasons. The man is resilient and he should prevail.

 

[wazzubruce]

Leach has already taken WSU to a bowl game. What did CPW do. Check his horrendous record and disgusting beat downs.

 

[chinookpirate]

sounds right... I could see Moos saying when he and Leach shook hands on the deal, "Just be better than Wulff"

Originally posted by wazzubruce:
Leach has already taken WSU to a bowl game. What did CPW do. Check his horrendous record and disgusting beat downs.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Originally posted by ElComanche:
It seems like some fans are always forecasting doom and gloom. I believe that Leach bounces back and the cougs will be much better next year.Hell if fands could give Wulff all that time,They can keep backing Leach for a couple of more seasons. The man is resilient and he should prevail.

I don't think that many fans gave Wulff "all that time". Sterk and Moos did, but a majority of fans wanted Wulff out after 3 years.

Glad Cougar

 

[Cougatron]

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

sounds right... I could see Moos saying when he and Leach shook hands on the deal, "Just be better than Wulff"

Originally posted by wazzubruce:
Leach has already taken WSU to a bowl game. What did CPW do. Check his horrendous record and disgusting beat downs.

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"Being better than Wulff"is exactly where we needed to start. Since Mike Price left this program has been in recession. Under Doba things started to slip and under Wulff it went to the gutter.

We needed someone to breath life into the program and Leach did it in year 2, and this year there were a lot of setbacks, but nothing critical.

We lost Rutgers on a muffed punt and a poor defense.

We lost Oregon when there was clearly a pass interference

We lost Cal because we didn't have a kicker/decent special teams

Senior QB gets hurt

There were a lot of bad breaks some our fault some not our fault, but really this program is MUCH better than under WUlff, and that's the first step to getting out of the gutter.

We went to a bowl game for the first time in 10 years. A DECADE we didn't have a post season.

Leach now gets to bring in new assistants to address the problems.

The people that cried Wulff didn't get 5 b*tch about Leach winning more than double and a bowl game more than Wulff did his first 3 years.

People that want instant wins are too stupid to realize the position our program was actually in, and what it faces.




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[chinookpirate]

you can hurl all the personal insults you want to, Tron but I will point out two salient facts:

1. Football at WSU began before Paul Wulff

2. Three years ago, under a different coach this team won 4 games. Leach was left a record setting future NFL QB and in year three managed 2 FBS wins.

Now, Leach has taken corrective action, which is good. Let's see if he can bring in 3 quality recruiters so we can start to get this thing turned around.

 

[Cougatron]

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

you can hurl all the personal insults you want to, Tron but I will point out two salient facts:

1. Football at WSU began before Paul Wulff

And football before Wulff mustered only 9 bowls in 100 years of the program, and a losing record overall. Before Leach got here. He's brought in to get us out of that, and he has 10% of our bowl appearances already.

2. Three years ago, under a different coach this team won 4 games. Leach was left a record setting future NFL QB and in year three managed 2 FBS wins.

A record setting QB that became record setting because of his coaching. Was it Halliday or Leach putting up those big numbers? With Falk doing it 3 games in a row after Haliday's exodus Leach is the constant in that situation. I wonder is this the first time a Leach QB has set NCAA records? no. no it's not. In fact many of the records Halliday was chasing/beating were Coached by the very guy who was coaching him.

Now, Leach has taken corrective action, which is good. Let's see if he can bring in 3 quality recruiters so we can start to get this thing turned around.

Recruiting is part of it. They need to recruit, and they need to be able to coach. And that's hard to find people who can do both well and sell people on Pullman. I think he'll improve our staff position, and I think we'll get better. I mean how can we get worst on special teams? Have a kicker who just runs to our endzone and spikes it? We'll be better there, and defensively if they can slow down other teams by 10-15% even that would win us some games. We are a lot closer than people think.

 

[chinookpirate]

Originally posted by Cougatron:

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

you can hurl all the personal insults you want to, Tron but I will point out two salient facts:

1. Football at WSU began before Paul Wulff

And football before Wulff mustered only 9 bowls in 100 years of the program, and a losing record overall. Before Leach got here. He's brought in to get us out of that, and he has 10% of our bowl appearances already. and in year 3 he won 2 games.

2. Three years ago, under a different coach this team won 4 games. Leach was left a record setting future NFL QB and in year three managed 2 FBS wins.

A record setting QB that became record setting because of his coaching. Was it Halliday or Leach putting up those big numbers? it was Halliday. Need a link? No player. NO player develops without good coaching.With Falk doing it 3 games in a row after Haliday's exodus Leach is the constant in that situation. What did Falk do, exactly, in the last game? I wonder is this the first time a Leach QB has set NCAA records? no. no it's not. In fact many of the records Halliday was chasing/beating were Coached by the very guy who was coaching him.

Now, Leach has taken corrective action, which is good. Let's see if he can bring in 3 quality recruiters so we can start to get this thing turned around.

Recruiting is part of it. No, recruiting is Most of it if we ever want something other than a fight hunger bowl in our future. Moos has said as much for years now. They need to recruit, and they need to be able to coach. Agree 100%And that's hard to find people who can do both well and sell people on Pullman. Agree 100% I think he'll improve our staff position, I sure hope so, but remember, he fired 3 of his own picks this year.and I think we'll get better. Yes, so do I I mean how can we get worst on special teams? continue recruiting at a 12-10-12 level and continue to suffer depth problems. Increase recruiting to a 5-8 level consistently and those depth problems work themselves out over time. Have a kicker who just runs to our endzone and spikes it? We'll be better there, and defensively if they can slow down other teams by 10-15% even that would win us some games. We are a lot closer than ípeople think. Yes, that's indeed what we're all hoping for.

 

[dgibbons]

Originally posted by Glad Cougar:

Originally posted by ElComanche:
It seems like some fans are always forecasting doom and gloom. I believe that Leach bounces back and the cougs will be much better next year.Hell if fands could give Wulff all that time,They can keep backing Leach for a couple of more seasons. The man is resilient and he should prevail.

I don't think that many fans gave Wulff "all that time". Sterk and Moos did, but a majority of fans wanted Wulff out after 3 years.

Glad Cougar

I don't think it hit a majority until year 4. The OSU beat down in Seattle probably pushed things over the top.

 

[CougEd]

Tron..someone could make rationale arguments with everything


you just said.

First, you could say many of those things you just mentioned about "if's" in 2010, and you could raise that same hope for better things in 2011.

If WSU didn't lose their best lineman in Gonzales after five games and forced to move Fullington from guard to tackle.

If the refs didn't take a score off the board against UCLA and we go up 35-21 the game is different.

If a first round pick in Locker doesn't make a perfect throw to another NFL player we may win the Apple Cup.

If we get one break against Cal we probably beat them.

So on and so forth.

And I totally agree with you. If they squib kick the second Cal kickoff we win.

And I will grant you the foundation is stronger, meaning we actually will have depth on the offensive and defensive line, they have yet to identify a playmaker. No one will make a play when it is needed.

Finally, you talk about the bowl game. First, that probably should have happened in 2012, but I get growing pains, and make accommodations for it. But they went bowling in year two with players in the secondary recruited by the former coach. Now in 2014 they are the current staff's recruits, and they don't go bowling and for the most part it is because of the play of the back four. Same coach from 2013 to 2014. You tell me the difference? It sure sounds like a player/experience thing to me.

 

[CougEd]

Actually Tron, I believe in Hallidays first start


he recorded a win with what was a record setting performance for a freshman at WSU at the time. He followed up that win against ASU with an almost win against Utah. He then got hurt. So it was clear Halliday had it in him.

As to Falk, he had a great game against OSU. Was that an anomaly?

 

[E Jones]

Re: Actually Tron, I believe in Hallidays first start

Originally posted by CougEd:


he recorded a win with what was a record setting performance for a freshman at WSU at the time. He followed up that win against ASU with an almost win against Utah. He then got hurt. So it was clear Halliday had it in him.

As to Falk, he had a great game against OSU. Was that an anomaly?

did halliday start the 2011 ASU game? I thought he came in early in the first quarter for Tuel, but i could wrong about that.

 

[wazzubruce]

Re: Actually Tron, I believe in Hallidays first start

The reason Falk played so well against the Beavs is they didn't pressure him all that much.... not like ASU and UW. He was allowed by the Beav defense to sit back and pick them apart. That wasn't the case against much stronger defensive lines like the sundevils and dogs. Strongly pressure a freshman qb and you have the results.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Originally posted by Cougatron:

And football before Wulff mustered only 9 bowls in 100 years of the program, and a losing record overall. Before Leach got here. He's brought in to get us out of that, and he has 10% of our bowl appearances already.

Not intending to get in the middle of this argument, but from the historical perspective, there were several WSU teams of the past that would have been in a bowl had there been the same number of bowls out there as today. I can think of a couple of Walden teams, the Warren Powers team, a Bert Clark team that had winning records and would at least be good enough to go to a New Mexico Bowl. These days, you don't even need to have a winning record to get into a bowl. But yeah, we haven't really had a lot of success in the grand scheme of things.


Glad Cougar

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Re: Actually Tron, I believe in Hallidays first start

Exactly. Had very little to do with other teams getting to see "tape" of him playing.