Matos is from the DR. He redshirted and played 1 year at New Mexico. Listed at 6'9" 215 PF and appears to be a low post-type player. Other offers so far include Seton Hall, USF (Florida), St. John's, and Tulsa.
Transfer Offer: Bayron Matos (UNM)
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With the 1-time transfer exemption deal the portal will continue to grow. Lots to still play out. Hopefully we can keep the core intact. I really like the potential of this roster as it stands today.
The current portal situation really helps coaches who have their guys bought in. CKS seems to have done that, for now at least, so I expect us to be a net winner in the portal.
IMO this is going to hurt college sports, and especially basketball. I think there is going to be a disconnect between players and fans. Unlike when players stayed with one team 4-5 years this constant turnover does not allow fans to bond with players or players to bond with fans. If Bamba transfers we won't even remember his name in a couple of years.
I can't imagine where things would be for us the last 2 years if we hadn't moved on from Kent to Smith. It would have been a revolving door. I agree with etown. For the moment we seem to have a core that is bought in to what we are doing and actually wants to stay put and see the build through. We also have developed a reputation for letting guys play that had to help with transfers like Flowers and Roberts. Time will tell with Groves but we apparently made his final 4.
Agree though, it's becoming a free market. That's a different dynamic that ultimately only benefits the very top programs and actually hurts the majority of players both athletically and academically.
We hard core idiots that post on websites like WazzuWatch will remember Bamba if he left. Heck, I remember Len Stevens. But, you're right, the general fan won't.
I am not worried about WSU, Smith, losing his core of players, nor should we be worried.
WSU, Smith is NOT going to lose his core of players.
The reasons:
1. BUY IN: Smith has team totally bought in. He might lose 1 player, that he wasnt planning on leaving to make room for players, but 1 or 2 at likely worse wont be losing core, and the player lost, probably wouldnt be a big loss.
2. Altho Smith is upgrading talent on roster, Smith is not gona have his whole CORE of players leave in order to get 4,5,6,7 more talented players.
Smith would encourage, 1,2,3 players to leave to make room for more talented players, but again those 1,2,3 players lost that he encourages to leave, is NOT his whole CORE, and losing them probably wouldnt be a big loss.
3. The CORE players like NOAH, EFE, DISCHON, VOVA, KOULIBALY, ETC, are NOT gona leave.
4. The players that might leave, like Rapp, etc, are NOT a CORE player, and wouldnt be a big loss.
A exception to that is BAMBA. Bamba is a SEMI CORE player. And if Bamba leaves, it would semi be a semi big loss.
But tho I might be wrong, we dont know that Bamba is gona leave, and I dont think Bamba will leave:
A. Bamba is the likely starter at the 3 spot, out of AJ, Rosario, Rapp, Bamba at the 3 spot. Yeah Noah could play at the 3 spot, and bump Bamba as a back up at the 2, SG, spot behind Koulibaly, but Bamba would still get a LOT of minutes.
B. Bamba is only behind Noah at the 2 spot, and tied with Koulibaly as the #1 back up at the 2 spot, and he is ahead of Rapp, so again, Bamba is going to get a LOT of minutes.
C. Bamba is going to be the starter, get 29 to 39 minutes in the next year, season, AFTER this coming season, in his 3RD year.
D. I suspect that what is going on with Bamba, is either:
A. Bamba has not logically thought out, realized what I have explained about him, and he is ILLOGICALLY PANICKING, irrationally thinking the guards have brought in to replace him, not realizing that the guards brought in are PG, SG combo hybrid guards, that are NOT going to take his spot, minutes, etc, at the 3,2 spots.
B. He has misunderstood Smith.
C. Coaches have used negative recruiting techniques, to try to convince him to leave.
Now while the threat, possibility of Bamba leaving is a semi real possibility, to probability, I think Smith sits down with him, and convinces him to stay, by telling him Bamba, what I have explained about Bamba's situation.
But IF IF Bamba leaves, its NOT the CORE, and not the end of the WSU, Smith World, and wouldnt stop WSU, Smith from getting to the NCAA Tourny.
5. Another reason why the Core wont leave, is WSU will probably make the NIT Championship/NCAA Tourny. If Tanner or Matos joins team, WSU would almost be practically guaranteed to get to NCAA Tourny.
Players wouldnt want to miss out on that.
6. Another reason is that Flowers, Roberts, and Tanner Groves(If he goes to WSU, are 1,2 year BRIDGE players that will be gone in 1,2 years, giving CORE players 1,2,3 more years of playing MAJOR MINUTES, AFTER Tanner, Flowers, Roberts are gone in 1,2 years.
Now if Tanner,Flowers,Roberts were gona play for 2,3,4 more years, then yeah the Core might probably leave. But thats not gona happen.
7. Another reason why the Core players wont leave is that Smith will convince them not to. Smith when he came in as coach, had about 75% of the team transfering out, and he convinced about 85% to 93% of them to stay, and not transfer.
If, since Smith convinced them to stay in a bad situation that Kent created, then Smith can convince his Core to stay in this good situation.
8. I trust Smith to keep 93% of the CORE of players intact.
WSU, Smith is NOT going to lose his core of players.
The reasons:
1. BUY IN: Smith has team totally bought in. He might lose 1 player, that he wasnt planning on leaving to make room for players, but 1 or 2 at likely worse wont be losing core, and the player lost, probably wouldnt be a big loss.
2. Altho Smith is upgrading talent on roster, Smith is not gona have his whole CORE of players leave in order to get 4,5,6,7 more talented players.
Smith would encourage, 1,2,3 players to leave to make room for more talented players, but again those 1,2,3 players lost that he encourages to leave, is NOT his whole CORE, and losing them probably wouldnt be a big loss.
3. The CORE players like NOAH, EFE, DISCHON, VOVA, KOULIBALY, ETC, are NOT gona leave.
4. The players that might leave, like Rapp, etc, are NOT a CORE player, and wouldnt be a big loss.
A exception to that is BAMBA. Bamba is a SEMI CORE player. And if Bamba leaves, it would semi be a semi big loss.
But tho I might be wrong, we dont know that Bamba is gona leave, and I dont think Bamba will leave:
A. Bamba is the likely starter at the 3 spot, out of AJ, Rosario, Rapp, Bamba at the 3 spot. Yeah Noah could play at the 3 spot, and bump Bamba as a back up at the 2, SG, spot behind Koulibaly, but Bamba would still get a LOT of minutes.
B. Bamba is only behind Noah at the 2 spot, and tied with Koulibaly as the #1 back up at the 2 spot, and he is ahead of Rapp, so again, Bamba is going to get a LOT of minutes.
C. Bamba is going to be the starter, get 29 to 39 minutes in the next year, season, AFTER this coming season, in his 3RD year.
D. I suspect that what is going on with Bamba, is either:
A. Bamba has not logically thought out, realized what I have explained about him, and he is ILLOGICALLY PANICKING, irrationally thinking the guards have brought in to replace him, not realizing that the guards brought in are PG, SG combo hybrid guards, that are NOT going to take his spot, minutes, etc, at the 3,2 spots.
B. He has misunderstood Smith.
C. Coaches have used negative recruiting techniques, to try to convince him to leave.
Now while the threat, possibility of Bamba leaving is a semi real possibility, to probability, I think Smith sits down with him, and convinces him to stay, by telling him Bamba, what I have explained about Bamba's situation.
But IF IF Bamba leaves, its NOT the CORE, and not the end of the WSU, Smith World, and wouldnt stop WSU, Smith from getting to the NCAA Tourny.
5. Another reason why the Core wont leave, is WSU will probably make the NIT Championship/NCAA Tourny. If Tanner or Matos joins team, WSU would almost be practically guaranteed to get to NCAA Tourny.
Players wouldnt want to miss out on that.
6. Another reason is that Flowers, Roberts, and Tanner Groves(If he goes to WSU, are 1,2 year BRIDGE players that will be gone in 1,2 years, giving CORE players 1,2,3 more years of playing MAJOR MINUTES, AFTER Tanner, Flowers, Roberts are gone in 1,2 years.
Now if Tanner,Flowers,Roberts were gona play for 2,3,4 more years, then yeah the Core might probably leave. But thats not gona happen.
7. Another reason why the Core players wont leave is that Smith will convince them not to. Smith when he came in as coach, had about 75% of the team transfering out, and he convinced about 85% to 93% of them to stay, and not transfer.
If, since Smith convinced them to stay in a bad situation that Kent created, then Smith can convince his Core to stay in this good situation.
8. I trust Smith to keep 93% of the CORE of players intact.
I think that there is about a 53% to 63% chance that WSU,Smith gets Tanner.
If Tanner wasnt a regional transfer from regional EWU, Spokane, and was transfering from a place outside the Region, then it wouldnt be as likely that Tanner would goto WSU.
Or if WSU's competitors were Pac 12 teams, then Tanner probably wouldnt goto WSU.
But since WSU is the ONLY CREDIBLE LOCAL College in his top 4 list, that makes WSU a bigger Probability.
Also WSU, Smith, coaches have probably had a longer RELATIONSHIP, talked more, had more virtual zoom calls, and more campus visits(Since WSU is so close to EWU, then Oklahoma, Texas, Portland), which again makes WSU a higher probability.
Also If Tanner goes to WSU, he, WSU is almost guaranteed to make NCAA Tourny, be coached better, develop better, have a better shot at Pro Ball, NBA, and a better shot at playing time, etc, then at Texas, Oklahoma, etc, which again makes WSU a higher probability.
And I dont see LITTLE OLE PORTLAND, as a competitor, because why would he Tanner leave a EWU TYPE, just to transfer to another EWU type in Portland.
So because of all these reasons, I think WSU gets the EDGE against the other competitors for Tanner.
That doesnt mean that Tanner will goto WSU, as there is still a lesser chance that Tanner could goto Oklahoma, Texas.
Also I think there is about a 63% to 73% to 83% chance that WSU gets either Tanner OR Matos
Even if Tanner were to goto LITTLE OLE PORTLAND, I dont think there is a good chance that Portland would even make the NIT, much less the NCAA Tournament.
If he Tanner wants to prove he can play at a higher collegiate level, he needs to go someplace other then Portland, since he only has 1 more year left
If he Tanner wants to goto the NCAA Tourny, again Portland is not the place, as Portland likely wont goto the NCAA Tourny this year, and since Tanner only has 1 more year.
If Tanner wants to improve, get better, be better coached, play Pro Ball, goto NBA, get developed better, etc, then Portland is not the place, as Smith, and the other coaches of Oklahoma, and Texas are better coaches then Tanner's EWU coach that went to Portland.
The ONLY reason why Portland is in Tanner's Top 4, is because of his coach. If not for that, Portland wouldnt have even made his TOP 1000.
There is only about a 33% to 43% chance that Tanner goes to Portland.
I would rank his top 4, and I think Tanner would rank his top 4 as:
1. WSU:49% to 59%
2. Oklahoma or Texas 39% to 49%
3. Portland: 33% to 43%
4. Texas or Oklahoma, 29% to 33%
I figured WSU and Oklahoma were in his final 2.
I can see why he went to Oklahoma. I just thought that WSU's proximity to EWU, and Smith, and how WSU is likely to have a MONSTER year, if Tanner went to WSU, would have given WSU the slight edge.
I knew Tanner wasnt going to goto Portland, Texas, over either Oklahoma or WSU.
Well maybe WSU will get Matos.
But even if dont get Matos, Smith will get a good scholly big.
Smith cant, wont win them all, and cant, wont lose them all either. And all it takes is getting one of these.
Kind of figured they were a package deal. Didn't figure OK would offer the younger one too.
Yeah, that's a little weird. Unless he's also a late bloomer like his brother, I don't see him as a guy who plays most nights. Guess Oklahoma really wanted his brother.
Oklahoma, Texas can afford to throw away a scholly to Tanner's brother to get Tanner.
WSU cant, couldnt do that.
If Tanner's brother just takes up a scholly spot and does NOTHING, Oklahoma, Texas, can still have enough firepower to do well with Tanner.
Its kind of like a Loss Leader in Sales, business, where you take a loss, because you price something CHEAP, in order to get them to buy more expensive stuff, and have a Net Profit, gain.
WSU cant burn a scholly, because without slthat extra scholly, WSU cant get enough consistent firepower to consistently compete, unlike with Oklahoma and Texas, etc.
Next we will hear his mother got a high paying job in the Oklahoma athletic department. Just kidding.
Yep, and if that was the price WSU had to pay to land Tanner, I'm glad to see him go to Oklahoma. It would be hard to push one guy off the roster to make room, asking two to head for the exit sign would have been tragic.
Glad Cougar
Not only that, but EACH of WSU's 12,13 scholly spots must have the best player possible, and cant be thrown away or wasted.
Thats because WSU, Smith is going to recruit a Mix of 2.75 star, 3 star, 3.5 star, 3.75 star, 4 star players.
A blue blood can recruit nothing but 4,5 stars and have most of them pan out.
Whereas WSU only has about a 33% to 50% chance that any given scholly spot will produce a player that can help WSU compete(Smith is defying that, but historically thats about right)
That means at best WSU is going to have to spend about 1.75 scholly spots to get someone that can, will, would help WSU compete.
If WSU throws away, waste 1 of the 12,13 scholly spots, then WSU will probably get at least 1 less player that can, could, would help WSU compete
And WSU losing at least 1 player who would help WSU compete, when WSU only has about 6,7,8,9 players that help WSU compete(Historically(Smith has changed that), would hurt WSU, since WSU's blue blood competition usually have a lot more then 6,7,8,9 players that help them compete, and have 10,11,12,13,14 players that help them compete.
Because of that blue bloods can afford to throw away a scholly, UNLIKE WSU, who cant afford to throw away any schollies in bball.
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