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It's not a lack of effort or ability, in regards to Gueye.
Gueye played about 38 minutes in his 31 points vs USC's NBA draft level defenders.
Then again because no Diongue, he played another about 35+ minutes vs UCLA's NBA draft level defenders.
Gueye's legs were BEYOND GONE, NON EXISTENT.
And while he had a bad game mistake wise, and missed shots, etc, wise, he was SINCERELY TRYING.
He Gueye just had little to nothing in the tank left, combined with UCLA NBA draft level defenders shutting him, Gueye down.
That happens in both College and the NBA, and has nothing to do with Laziness, or lack of effort.
Gueye is one of, if not the HARDEST, blue collar, lunch pail, worker, player to go along with his NBA draft level talent, on the team.
And that's been true of Gueye at every level he has been at, according to players, coaches, media experts, etc.
If you want to say Gueye had a bad game, then fine, that true that he had a bad game, but it certainly wasn't from not trying.
Gueye played about 38 minutes in his 31 points vs USC's NBA draft level defenders.
Then again because no Diongue, he played another about 35+ minutes vs UCLA's NBA draft level defenders.
Gueye's legs were BEYOND GONE, NON EXISTENT.
And while he had a bad game mistake wise, and missed shots, etc, wise, he was SINCERELY TRYING.
He Gueye just had little to nothing in the tank left, combined with UCLA NBA draft level defenders shutting him, Gueye down.
That happens in both College and the NBA, and has nothing to do with Laziness, or lack of effort.
Gueye is one of, if not the HARDEST, blue collar, lunch pail, worker, player to go along with his NBA draft level talent, on the team.
And that's been true of Gueye at every level he has been at, according to players, coaches, media experts, etc.
If you want to say Gueye had a bad game, then fine, that true that he had a bad game, but it certainly wasn't from not trying.
He needs more strength to handle the NBA
Another year in Pullman wouldn’t hurt him a bit.
He did handle NBA level defenders at USC. Scoring 31 vs NBA level defenders at USC is handling NBA level defenders at USC.
And in case your gonna say that NBA level defenders don't give up 31 points like they did to Gueye, USC has the top rated rim defense, scoring defense in not only the Pac 12, but also in the entire nation according to radio announcers, media experts.
And one of USC's bigs, I forget his name, forget which one, is a NBA prospect according to Radio announcers, media experts
Sometimes you just have a bad game in both the NBA and in College.
Even Jordan, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron James, have had BAD GAMES. That doesn't mean that they weren't trying, lacked effort, couldn't handle NBA players, etc.
And no I am NOT saying that Gueye is as good as those players.
Gueye played all out for about 80 minutes, split into 2, 40 minute games separated by only 1 day, versus 2 teams USC and UCLA with NBA level defenders, ON THE ROAD, with little to no sub outs, and scored 31 points against 1 of them, and understandably had legit reasons to have a bad game against the other.
And he is only a Sophmore(Juniors, Seniors can handle 80 minutes better then a Sophmore can).
His legs were BEYOND GONE, NON EXISTENT.
But your being a Dumb NEGA COUG who dumbly only sees the bad, almost never sees the good, almost never accepts legit reasons.
But Gueye can't handle NBA defenders, and wasn't even trying, lacked effort according to you being a DUMBAZZ NEGACOUG.
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He needs endurance training, not strength, altho more strength can only help.
It's not lack of strength that's has Gueye worn out after 80 minutes vs USC's, UCLA's NBA level defenders.
It was lack of endurance, conditioning as a SOPHMORE that did that.
The NBA is a GRIND, with games every day against NBA players, where play 33 minutes per game as a starter, if you start.
If Gueye can't handle 80 minutes vs USC's and UCLA's NBA level defenders, he is not gonna be able to handle the every day a 33 minute game as a starter, vs NBA players GRIND.
It's that, that's going to keep Gueye out of 1st round of draft.
Gueye needs more endurance, conditioning, and the only way he is going to get it, is 1 more year, and WSU/Smith hiring a new, better strength, endurance, conditioning, injury prevention, specialist coach.
Or he gets drafted bottom, last pick of 1st round at best, after the end of this season, and he Gueye gets assigned to be a starter on a NBA D League team to build up his endurance, conditioning, and then call him up to the NBA when he can handle the every day a game schedule.
So yeah your right, but Endurance, Conditioning, that Gueye needs, instead of strength, as he has raw explosive strength already(could always use more tho)
Gueye imo has had flashes where he looks like an NBA player, the USC game was the first time I thought he had a whole game where he looked like an NBA player.
If I was scouting Gueye as a potential NBA draftee my evaluation would be
1. Body= height and wingspan positive, strength a negative and I’d be a little worried if his body style can add much strength.
2.Athleticism= solid first step, excellent running the floor, not an exceptionally explosive athlete more of a throwback smooth type player
3. Skill= great hands, solid foot work, shot mechanics are fine but he simply doesn’t shoot at a high percentage if you take out the dunks.(USC was the exception which is why I said he looked like an NBA player) ball handling could improve but he really doesn’t need it at this level and for his size it’s not bad.
4. Basketball IQ/instincts= by all accounts he is a very coach able young man and a solid teammate so this is an area he will continue to improve on but his lack of playing experience shows up often. He is not a very good shot blocker for his size and often opposing teams bigs have career nights against him because he is often out of position. He is better than last year and will continue to grow in this area, nothing he can really do about not playing basketball till later in life.
All this adds up to him needing in my scouting report one more year of college ball minimum. Long term evaluation for me is he will have a long successful career but probably not much of it will be in the NBA but the potential is definitely there.
If I was scouting Gueye as a potential NBA draftee my evaluation would be
1. Body= height and wingspan positive, strength a negative and I’d be a little worried if his body style can add much strength.
2.Athleticism= solid first step, excellent running the floor, not an exceptionally explosive athlete more of a throwback smooth type player
3. Skill= great hands, solid foot work, shot mechanics are fine but he simply doesn’t shoot at a high percentage if you take out the dunks.(USC was the exception which is why I said he looked like an NBA player) ball handling could improve but he really doesn’t need it at this level and for his size it’s not bad.
4. Basketball IQ/instincts= by all accounts he is a very coach able young man and a solid teammate so this is an area he will continue to improve on but his lack of playing experience shows up often. He is not a very good shot blocker for his size and often opposing teams bigs have career nights against him because he is often out of position. He is better than last year and will continue to grow in this area, nothing he can really do about not playing basketball till later in life.
All this adds up to him needing in my scouting report one more year of college ball minimum. Long term evaluation for me is he will have a long successful career but probably not much of it will be in the NBA but the potential is definitely there.
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I would say the NBA drafts mainly on projection for the immediate future in the first half of the first round. With the late first round and all the second round being more about potential.
While I’m sure I watched Kareem at UCLA as a kid I really have no memories of it. Lol I was only 6 his last season. He was however the most dominant big man in all of college basketball for 3 years and would have been 4 if freshmen could play.
While I’m sure I watched Kareem at UCLA as a kid I really have no memories of it. Lol I was only 6 his last season. He was however the most dominant big man in all of college basketball for 3 years and would have been 4 if freshmen could play.
If he Gueye stays for his Junior year season.
Currently Gueye is projected as a 45-60 pick of 2nd round, on NBA mock draft boards, according to experts like EHLO. That was BEFORE the 31 point USC game, and Gueye is MOVING up those mock draft boards according to experts like EHLO.
If Gueye doesn't stay for next year, season, at ultimate extreme best somebody takes a semi flyer on Gueye and takes him LAST pick of FIRST round to 1st pick, top of 2nd round at ultimate extreme best.
If Gueye stays for next year, season, Gueye can, probably will go as high, between Lottery Pick at #13 of 1st round to last pick of 1st round, 1st, top pick of 2nd round at ultimate extreme worst.
Gueye is not likely a 1st round draft candidate UNLESS Gueye stays for his Junior year, season.
Your right that NBA drafts on Potential, Upside, NBA Athleticism, that Gueye has.
Personally I hope Gueye comes back and I think he needs to. However there is always risks involved. Beyond the obvious risk of injury there is also the risk of being the same player as a JR that he was as a Sophomore. Which would be great for WSU but at what point is his potential hit the limit. I see a ton of potential improvement for Gueye even though he is a solid draft pick now. I think he needs to comeback. One good thing about this decision is I feel it’s either or. Meaning it’s WSU or pro. I don’t see him as a transfer risk.
