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Wasn't sure which was the current or "preferred" thread for San Diego State, but just wanted to share some good news about conference expansion from "The Athletic" relevant to CougZoners

Why the Pac-12 could be a fit

"With USC and UCLA leaving for the Big Ten in 2024, San Diego State has long been seen as the Pac-12’s most obvious expansion candidate, though Kliavkoff also visited SMU in February. The Aztecs’ men’s basketball program reached its first-ever national championship game in April. Their football program has posted five double-digit win seasons since 2015 and has reached three Mountain West title games, winning two."

Why the Big 12 is less likely

San Diego State has also had multiple conversations with the Big 12 in recent months, two conference sources said, but the feeling on both sides, at least initially, was that the Aztecs’ preference was to go to the Pac-12, if they received an invitation to do so. The Aztecs had been on the Big 12’s expansion radar, but multiple conference sources say adding that school is not a priority for the Big 12 at this time.

Sounds as if Commissioner Klaitkoff is getting his ducks in a row for a very nice TV deal
 
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Pretty wild to have 4 threads going about SDSU! Hope this plays out they’d be a great addition!

I think 425Coug might've been the first one here to nominate San Diego State as an expansion candidate.

They certainly check a lot of boxes!
 
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Wasn't sure which was the current or "preferred" thread for San Diego State, but just wanted to share some good news about conference expansion from "The Athletic" relevant to CougZoners

Sounds as if Commissioner Klaitkoff is getting his ducks in a row for a very nice TV deal

Where are you getting that, unless there was more to the article. Klaitkoff is totally f-ing this up.

And yes, we now have 4 SDSU threads. Should we go for 10?
 
Where are you getting that, unless there was more to the article. Klaitkoff is totally f-ing this up.

Sounds like San Diego State is chomping at the bit to leave the WAC — and the Pac-12 is their first choice.

It looks like Klaitkoff will soon have an ace in the hole to bump up the money from the TV folks
 
Where are you getting that, unless there was more to the article. Klaitkoff is totally f-ing this up.

And yes, we now have 4 SDSU threads. Should we go for 10?
How is he f-ing this up? He's negotiating deals with the likes of Apple, Amazon, and major network TV moguls, and he's had to do it from a position of desperation following the SC and UCLA departures.

I'll defer to Biggs on X's and O's, and you guys can defer to me on corporate business negotiations. Trust me on this. Kliavkoff has had no market leverage whatsoever in these negotiations. The execs from Apple and Amazon aren't going to be bullied into a deal by a new hire dude whose conference is on life support.
 
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I'll defer to Biggs on X's and O's, and you guys can defer to me on corporate business negotiations. Trust me on this. Kliavkoff has had no market leverage whatsoever in these negotiations. The execs from Apple and Amazon aren't going to be bullied into a deal by a new hire dude whose conference is on life support.

Thanks for your insight.

With the Pac-12 media deal expiring in Summer 2024, when do you think Klaitkoff needs to get the deal done before there might be concerns about some schools trying to leave for another conference?
 
Thanks for your insight.

With the Pac-12 media deal expiring in Summer 2024, when do you think Klaitkoff needs to get the deal done before there might be concerns about some schools trying to leave for another conference?
Before pac-12 (10) media days next month.
 
Before pac-12 (10) media days next month.

Thank you sir.

Right now it seems like there is a disinformation campaign by Big 12 leadership, but you can go to Brand X and LA Coug (one of the top posters over there) does a very good of debunking it point by point.

Like Coug-Patrol spelled out, Klaitkoff is playing the long game to get his conference the best deal out there.

For his part, Doc Schulz seems confident, too
 
Thanks for your insight.

With the Pac-12 media deal expiring in Summer 2024, when do you think Klaitkoff needs to get the deal done before there might be concerns about some schools trying to leave for another conference?
12-18 months. You don’t let sports-related contracts enter their final year if you want stability.
 
I still hate the SMU idea. Their market is indifferent and crowded. The belief that they’ll get a bump in interest in another conference is wishful thinking - that bump won’t be big enough to be meaningful, especially if they don’t win immediately (and they won’t). UNLV is the only (CFB) game in their town.

The only valid market argument against UNLV is that they’ve got a low ceiling. If they are really only 750K TV sets in town, even if every one of them watches games, that’s still only enough to make about #10-11 in the PAC-12. But, when you divide the Dallas market by the 6 teams competing for it…SMU’s ceiling probably is t that high either.
 
Thanks for your insight.

With the Pac-12 media deal expiring in Summer 2024, when do you think Klaitkoff needs to get the deal done before there might be concerns about some schools trying to leave for another conference?
He has to get it done ASAP, but the reason this has taken so long has everything to do Klaitkoff's loser predecessor and USC and UCLA putting the conference in a zero-leverage situation against corporations (like Apple) who have the most diabolically good business negotiators in the world.

Klaitkoff had to start from scratch (negative scratch, actually), and come up with strategies and partners that were way outside the box for conference viewership. The traditional network big-boys (Fox & ESPN) made a lowball offer and circled like vultures waiting to pick the bones. Klaitkoff had to leverage his media experience and come up replacement solutions with streaming partners like Apple, Amazon, Netflix, etc. and devise a deal that would enable one of them to have exclusivity to the rights, and then sell off content to the more traditional TV networks. The rub is that, not only are these media companies competitors within the space, but they're having to work a pioneering deal across multiple platforms.

I don't know a thing about Klaitkoff, but I certainly (at this point) wouldn't say he's f-ing things up. He's trying to make chicken salad out of chicken chit. Good God, how would you like to sell P12 media rights today? The biggest market teams just bolted, our attendance is lower than every other P5 conference, youth football out west is dying. Good luck with that sale. He had no choice other than to look for streaming partners, and new partnerships take time.
 
Boise State gets dissed for academics which isn’t a surprise but they have become a VERY popular college destination for a lot of kids from the Spokane area, especially the ones that get rejected by uw.
I don’t get that. BSU doesn’t have any programs that would compete with UW. Maybe their pre-med is a feeder to the UW med school?

Nursing and some of the medical specialties are their more popular majors. Behind that it’s things like business and psych, which you can take anywhere. Must be something else that’s the draw.
 
I don’t get that. BSU doesn’t have any programs that would compete with UW. Maybe their pre-med is a feeder to the UW med school?

Nursing and some of the medical specialties are their more popular majors. Behind that it’s things like business and psych, which you can take anywhere. Must be something else that’s the draw.

The kids prob want a big city. Or, they don’t wanna go to Seattle.
 
He has to get it done ASAP, but the reason this has taken so long has everything to do Klaitkoff's loser predecessor and USC and UCLA putting the conference in a zero-leverage situation against corporations (like Apple) who have the most diabolically good business negotiators in the world.

Klaitkoff had to start from scratch (negative scratch, actually), and come up with strategies and partners that were way outside the box for conference viewership. The traditional network big-boys (Fox & ESPN) made a lowball offer and circled like vultures waiting to pick the bones. Klaitkoff had to leverage his media experience and come up replacement solutions with streaming partners like Apple, Amazon, Netflix, etc. and devise a deal that would enable one of them to have exclusivity to the rights, and then sell off content to the more traditional TV networks. The rub is that, not only are these media companies competitors within the space, but they're having to work a pioneering deal across multiple platforms.

I don't know a thing about Klaitkoff, but I certainly (at this point) wouldn't say he's f-ing things up. He's trying to make chicken salad out of chicken chit. Good God, how would you like to sell P12 media rights today? The biggest market teams just bolted, our attendance is lower than every other P5 conference, youth football out west is dying. Good luck with that sale. He had no choice other than to look for streaming partners, and new partnerships take time.
I agree and have thought the same thing. The job was probably worse than Kliavkoff imagined when he took the job. The conference schools having to pay back Comcast was another gift that Scott left the conference. Then the two LA schools secretly in negotiations to leave the conference all the while acting like and telling Kliavkoff they were committed to the conference.
 
Boise State gets dissed for academics which isn’t a surprise but they have become a VERY popular college destination for a lot of kids from the Spokane area, especially the ones that get rejected by uw.

Their conservative demographics appeal to many Central and Eastern WA HS graduates
 
How is he f-ing this up? He's negotiating deals with the likes of Apple, Amazon, and major network TV moguls, and he's had to do it from a position of desperation following the SC and UCLA departures.

I'll defer to Biggs on X's and O's, and you guys can defer to me on corporate business negotiations. Trust me on this. Kliavkoff has had no market leverage whatsoever in these negotiations. The execs from Apple and Amazon aren't going to be bullied into a deal by a new hire dude whose conference is on life support.
Patrol, I agree that we'd all like him to have more leverage. But it is not like he has zero leverage, because he has something that the media platforms want. And due to some inherent time zone (and therefore time slot) aspects of the PAC that others cannot duplicate...as well as being the homeboys for a big chunk of real estate...he has some leverage. Again, I'd like him to have more...as his predecessor had, but squandered. But let's recognize that legit negotiations do not take place unless both sides want something. The only negotiation silver lining here seems to be the fortuitous timing of when the streaming folks have decided to come to the college sports market, as well as the working assumption that streaming acceptance by the fans and advertisers would probably start somewhat ahead from a cultural standpoint on the west coast. The relatively late advent of the streaming folks coming to the party appears to have significantly altered the landscape, and it appears that more than anything has been why the goalposts in getting the deal done have continued to move. All in all, in reading the tea leaves I'd say that he is doing pretty well, though we don't know for sure until the deal is done. And I'm expecting a guaranteed figure plus a sliding incentive based on eyeballs, so the total dollar figure that gets announced will be "estimated". I suspect we'll adapt to streaming fairly well, so unless somebody is unrealistic in their projections, the $ number that gets announced is likely to be conservative.

Finally, as you know but so many of the nervous nellies don't seem to grasp, big negotiations seldom get done until the deadline is imminent. And they especially don't get resolved if new information or requirements keep popping up, or the circumstances are in flux, or both. So none of this is a surprise. SDSU has now dealt with their month-end deadline to let the MWC know they are leaving. The real PAC/media deadline is probably at some point between now and mid-July, just from a practical "enough time to get 'er done before the season starts" standpoint. I don't know exactly when it is because I don't know all the existing contract details, but mid-July would appear to be the practical deadline.
 
Patrol, I agree that we'd all like him to have more leverage. But it is not like he has zero leverage, because he has something that the media platforms want. And due to some inherent time zone (and therefore time slot) aspects of the PAC that others cannot duplicate...as well as being the homeboys for a big chunk of real estate...he has some leverage. Again, I'd like him to have more...as his predecessor had, but squandered. But let's recognize that legit negotiations do not take place unless both sides want something. The only negotiation silver lining here seems to be the fortuitous timing of when the streaming folks have decided to come to the college sports market, as well as the working assumption that streaming acceptance by the fans and advertisers would probably start somewhat ahead from a cultural standpoint on the west coast. The relatively late advent of the streaming folks coming to the party appears to have significantly altered the landscape, and it appears that more than anything has been why the goalposts in getting the deal done have continued to move. All in all, in reading the tea leaves I'd say that he is doing pretty well, though we don't know for sure until the deal is done. And I'm expecting a guaranteed figure plus a sliding incentive based on eyeballs, so the total dollar figure that gets announced will be "estimated". I suspect we'll adapt to streaming fairly well, so unless somebody is unrealistic in their projections, the $ number that gets announced is likely to be conservative.

Finally, as you know but so many of the nervous nellies don't seem to grasp, big negotiations seldom get done until the deadline is imminent. And they especially don't get resolved if new information or requirements keep popping up, or the circumstances are in flux, or both. So none of this is a surprise. SDSU has now dealt with their month-end deadline to let the MWC know they are leaving. The real PAC/media deadline is probably at some point between now and mid-July, just from a practical "enough time to get 'er done before the season starts" standpoint. I don't know exactly when it is because I don't know all the existing contract details, but mid-July would appear to be the practical deadline.

Insghtful and well-written post, Crazy8.

Your timing for Commissioner Klaitkoff's big announcement pretty much mirrors John Wilbur from the San Jose paper.

1. I wonder if there would be some advantages to pushing an agreement back to after football season or even next spring just to let the pot boil a little more and see who might come to the table? The media ecosystem (as Jon Canzanno calls it) is changing rapidly, so why not wait to see who the major players are 10-11 months from now.

2. With the Big Ten and SEC going to 16 teams each, what would you say about Klaitkoff adding six teams (instead of just two) to get to 16 like its peers? Wouldn't that be a great opportunity to expand the conference footprint beyond the Pacific and Mountain time zones and grab the likes of SMU, Rice and Tulane (for their TV markets and to appease the Stanford-Cal brainiacs) and then add Fresno as a travel parter for S.D. State? I think Fresno's sports attendance is even better than Cal and Stanford just up the road.
 
Pete, there will be a deal before football season. It seems likely to me that there will either be revisions spelled out that will occur due to changing trends in viewership, or there will be an option for limited renegotiation that can be initiated by either party, or both.

As for 16 teams, that may happen someday, but if it occurs for the PAC it is a few years away. That would be getting the cart ahead of the horse at this point.
 
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Pete, there will be a deal before football season. It seems likely to me that there will either be revisions spelled out that will occur due to changing trends in viewership, or there will be an option for limited renegotiation that can be initiated by either party, or both.

As for 16 teams, that may happen someday, but if it occurs for the PAC it is a few years away. That would be getting the cart ahead of the horse at this point.

Sounds good.

Just hope the commissioner doesn't leave a bunch of money on the table because the Nervous Nellies are encouraging him to hurry up and sign a deal to quiet the noise
 
Insghtful and well-written post, Crazy8.

Your timing for Commissioner Klaitkoff's big announcement pretty much mirrors John Wilbur from the San Jose paper.

1. I wonder if there would be some advantages to pushing an agreement back to after football season or even next spring just to let the pot boil a little more and see who might come to the table? The media ecosystem (as Jon Canzanno calls it) is changing rapidly, so why not wait to see who the major players are 10-11 months from now.

2. With the Big Ten and SEC going to 16 teams each, what would you say about Klaitkoff adding six teams (instead of just two) to get to 16 like its peers? Wouldn't that be a great opportunity to expand the conference footprint beyond the Pacific and Mountain time zones and grab the likes of SMU, Rice and Tulane (for their TV markets and to appease the Stanford-Cal brainiacs) and then add Fresno as a travel parter for S.D. State? I think Fresno's sports attendance is even better than Cal and Stanford just up the road.

Just jumping in, but we shouldn't be switching to 16 teams unless the media rights conversation says that there is a benefit. If we are going after Group of 5 targets, they need to be either 1) successful enough to be a productive addition or 2) have a media market that generates money.

I don't want to see everyone in the Pac-12 drop in revenue compared to the competition with only a thin hope that there might be return in investment. SMU does exist in the Dallas market but can they ever be anything better than the 6th most watched team? On Tulane, I think that they were a one hit wonder. I doubt that they'll be in the conversation in six months. Rice is so lame that they don't even have "list of football seasons" website. If we can't pull away TCU, OSU, KU or KSU....I can't even begin to express how lame and desperate that we would look going after those three teams.
 
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Insghtful and well-written post, Crazy8.

Your timing for Commissioner Klaitkoff's big announcement pretty much mirrors John Wilbur from the San Jose paper.
What big announcement? Did I miss something?

Washington state - 7.7 million people
Oregon - 4.2 million
California - 39.2 million
Arizona - 7.1 million
Colorado - 5.8 million

Kansas - 2.9 million
Iowa - 3.1 million

And so on. So aside from the obvious fact that we don't give much of a shit about football or college athletics in general out west, why does the PAC have to resort to streaming as opposed to a real TV deal?
 
What big announcement? Did I miss something?

Washington state - 7.7 million people
Oregon - 4.2 million
California - 39.2 million
Arizona - 7.1 million
Colorado - 5.8 million

Kansas - 2.9 million
Iowa - 3.1 million

And so on. So aside from the obvious fact that we don't give much of a shit about football or college athletics in general out west, why does the PAC have to resort to streaming as opposed to a real TV deal?

Your last paragraph illustrates the problem. When it comes to these discussions, the math isn't just a raw count of TV sets and people. For the TV providers, it's how many of those TV's will be tuned to watch college football? I'd bet that Kansas with 2.9 million people has more TV's tuned to college football than Oregon has with its 4.2 million people. It wouldn't be shocking for it to be a higher number than Washington. I mentioned the other day that I'm in the Top 25% of CAF rankings. That's not a brag...it's fuggin' pathetic that I'm in the top 25%. People in Washington (and the West Coast) are sh!t at supporting their teams.

And that 39.2 million In California is heavily slanted towards USC and UCLA, who aren't going to be in the conversation much longer. The Pac-12 has had bad leadership for years and is a dying brand because of its arrogance.

I say that even though I just said above that we shouldn't be taking programs like SMU, Tulane and Rice because they aren't worthy. We missed the boat when we didn't aggressively pursue four Big 12 teams when the OU/Texas departure was announced. We missed the boat when we didn't go harder after OU, OSU, KU and KSU (or some other combination) to make it the Pac-16 in 2011.

The Big 12 is slightly better off because they held their nose and took BYU, UCF, Houston and Cincinnati but the reality is that they are still just as vulnerable as the Pac-12 to future departures. And those programs all bring more success and investment to athletics than most of the teams that are on our radar. We need to be smart on considering our options for how our sports are streamed/televised or whatever it might be.
 
What big announcement? Did I miss something?

John Wilnur seems to think Klaitkoff could announce the new Pac-12 deal at football media days next month.

That could be a windfall of positive publicity from the national media and the other people who are there covering the extravaganza
 
I mentioned the other day that I'm in the Top 25% of CAF rankings. That's not a brag...it's fuggin' pathetic that I'm in the top 25%.

Not sure why it's a bad thing?

You could be doing a lot of other things with your hard-earned paycheck, but you're choosing to hand it over to Schulz and Chun with no questions asked in order to elevate Cougar athletics.

Pretty selfless and generous gesture.

A guy I know who's an insider at Brand Z who said he won't give another dime to WSU until Chun is fired and Schulz issues a public apology to RoLo.
 
What big announcement? Did I miss something?

Washington state - 7.7 million people
Oregon - 4.2 million
California - 39.2 million
Arizona - 7.1 million
Colorado - 5.8 million

Kansas - 2.9 million
Iowa - 3.1 million

And so on. So aside from the obvious fact that we don't give much of a shit about football or college athletics in general out west, why does the PAC have to resort to streaming as opposed to a real TV deal?
Because, generally speaking, the vast majority of the Nation doesn't care at all about what goes on out West; particularly the Pacific NW.

Media outlets want access to the PST viewing window, but they don't care about pacific time zone teams. That want to showcase Midwest and East coast teams when they play out West. WA and Oregon mean nothing to most of the Nation. I'm from Boston and my friends and family are all diehard sports fans rooted back East. They have absolutely no interest in small time games of any kind. Mention the Mariners, Kraken, and Seahawks and they chuckle. Mention WSU and UW and they couldn't tell you what conference we play in. That's the mentality that's driving the super conference development. Nobody's gives a rats arse about WSU vs. Stanford or UW vs. Oregon State. If it's not a super hyped blue-blood game, the ratings fall off a cliff.

In 10-15 years, college football out West is going to be as popular as the Mountain West conference is today.
 
Because, generally speaking, the vast majority of the Nation doesn't care at all about what goes on out West; particularly the Pacific NW.

Media outlets want access to the PST viewing window, but they don't care about pacific time zone teams. That want to showcase Midwest and East coast teams when they play out West. WA and Oregon mean nothing to most of the Nation. I'm from Boston and my friends and family are all diehard sports fans rooted back East. They have absolutely no interest in small time games of any kind. Mention the Mariners, Kraken, and Seahawks and they chuckle. Mention WSU and UW and they couldn't tell you what conference we play in. That's the mentality that's driving the super conference development. Nobody's gives a rats arse about WSU vs. Stanford or UW vs. Oregon State. If it's not a super hyped blue-blood game, the ratings fall off a cliff.

In 10-15 years, college football out West is going to be as popular as the Mountain West conference is today.

Patrol,

Enlightening post.

Off topic a little, but how would you compare the quality of high school and college football in Boston/New England/Northeast to WA and OR?

Seems like the fans in that region like to pride themselves on being the most knowledgeable, passionate and loyal in the country when it comes to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.

Yet when it comes to producing actual athletes good enough to make it to the pros ... well, it's like the numbers, relative to the Greater Boston region's population, is kind of shallow.
 
Well time for the rubber to hit the road. Mtn West declined SDSU's request for an extra month to decide on withdrawing.

 
Patrol,

Enlightening post.

Off topic a little, but how would you compare the quality of high school and college football in Boston/New England/Northeast to WA and OR?

Seems like the fans in that region like to pride themselves on being the most knowledgeable, passionate and loyal in the country when it comes to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.

Yet when it comes to producing actual athletes good enough to make it to the pros ... well, it's like the numbers, relative to the Greater Boston region's population, is kind of shallow.
New England isn't a strong youth football region to begin with. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine have some of the smallest youth football participations in the Nation. Massachusetts isn't strong either, nor is New York and New Jersey. Hockey, Baseball, Soccer, Basketball, and Lacrosse are more popular today.

College football back East has never been big. The region lacks the massive State supported schools, so you don't have the huge alumni following that the blue bloods have. Unlike the West coast, you have multi-generational support of the longstanding professional teams. Everyone in New England passionately follows either the Red Sox or the Yankees. I mean, everyone. Minor league baseball is popular too. The Celtics, Bruins, and Patriots are massive. It's a pro sports region. Seattle is heading that direction too. UW is predicted to be a top-10 team this season and they're having trouble selling tickets. People would rather cheer for the Seahawks.
 
What big announcement? Did I miss something?

Washington state - 7.7 million people
Oregon - 4.2 million
California - 39.2 million
Arizona - 7.1 million
Colorado - 5.8 million

Kansas - 2.9 million
Iowa - 3.1 million

And so on. So aside from the obvious fact that we don't give much of a shit about football or college athletics in general out west, why does the PAC have to resort to streaming as opposed to a real TV deal?
Loyal, let me offer you a couple of things to help answer your question (your last sentence).

First, and probably foremost, streaming is coming of age. It is serendipity that streaming is feeling ready to jump heavily into college football just as the PAC is concluding a media contract. Had streaming been ready several years ago, the other P5 conferences would have benefitted from that market. And, eventually, they will benefit from streaming. But due to several factors that I know and probably several more that I don't know, the timing for the PAC was almost perfect. Why just "almost"? Because if the streaming giants were ready 6-12 months earlier, they would not have jumped into our negotiation late, and we'd probably be done by now. But the fact that one streaming platform was ready and shouldered its way into the negotiation has pushed others, and here at the last minute of the PAC's deal there has been legitimate interest that seems likely to produce real money. In short, the timing is somewhat accidental, but it is to the PAC's advantage. And it does not hurt that national media views the west coast as streaming-friendly. How that will translate to the college football world remains to be seen, and that is why I expect actual viewership to impact net dollars paid; see the next paragraph.

Second, conventional TV revenues are off for college football and the revenue is not as easy to negotiate from any of the major networks as it was a few years ago. "A real TV deal" will be the foundation of the PAC media deal, but streaming will have a role, and the fact that the final deal has been pushed back from when I thought it would be done (it has been pushed at least 3-4 months and we still appear to have several weeks to go) to now suggests that the streaming aspect may be bigger than was initially expected. However, while the TV deal will be mostly semi-guaranteed dollars, I expect the streaming compensation model to be more of a "salary plus commission" model, where we get a base amount guaranteed and a bonus $ system of some sort as we exceed what ever is negotiated as the minimum viewing threshold. That means that we have the potential to significantly increase revenue if we get the viewers. And the viewers will not be tied to a network's specific geography; they can be literally anywhere. The PAC will be the first league to actively promote to a streaming college football audience, and I suspect we will do better at that than most expect.

Long story short, I think streaming will prove to be an advantage to WSU and the PAC. Sure, I could be wrong. But this looks to me like a bet with decent odds.
 
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Loyal, let me offer you a couple of things to help answer your question (your last sentence).

First, and probably foremost, streaming is coming of age. It is serendipity that streaming is feeling ready to jump heavily into college football just as the PAC is concluding a media contract. Had streaming been ready several years ago, the other P5 conferences would have benefitted from that market. And, eventually, they will benefit from streaming. But due to several factors that I know and probably several more that I don't know, the timing for the PAC was almost perfect. Why just "almost"? Because if the streaming giants were ready 6-12 months earlier, they would not have jumped into our negotiation late, and we'd probably be done by now. But the fact that one streaming platform was ready and shouldered its way into the negotiation has pushed others, and here at the last minute of the PAC's deal there has been legitimate interest that seems likely to produce real money. In short, the timing is somewhat accidental, but it is to the PAC's advantage. And it does not hurt that national media views the west coast as streaming-friendly. How that will translate to the college football world remains to be seen, and that is why I expect actual viewership to impact net dollars paid; see the next paragraph.

Second, conventional TV revenues are off for college football and the revenue is not as easy to negotiate from any of the major networks as it was a few years ago. "A real TV deal" will be the foundation of the PAC media deal, but streaming will have a role, and the fact that the final deal has been pushed back from when I thought it would be done (it has been pushed at least 3-4 months and we still appear to have several weeks to go) to now suggests that the streaming aspect may be bigger than was initially expected. However, while the TV deal will be mostly semi-guaranteed dollars, I expect the streaming compensation model to be more of a "salary plus commission" model, where we get a base amount guaranteed and a bonus $ system of some sort as we exceed what ever is negotiated as the minimum viewing threshold. That means that we have the potential to significantly increase revenue if we get the viewers. And the viewers will not be tied to a network's specific geography; they can be literally anywhere. The PAC will be the first league to actively promote to a streaming college football audience, and I suspect we will do better at that than most expect.

Long story short, I think streaming will prove to be an advantage to WSU and the PAC. Sure, I could be wrong. But this looks to me like a bet with decent odds.

Great news Crazy8 and thanks for the thorough explanation

Sounds like the ultimate game-changer. Guess it'll be like when the wife watches movies on Netflix, Prime Video or HBOMax

How soon in your eyes til this gets wrapped up and the speculation about Pac-12 teams leaving for other conferences is put to bed? Pac-12 expert John Wilner of the San Jose newspaper said the drop dead date should be July 21st (Pac-12 media days)
 
New England isn't a strong youth football region to begin with. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine have some of the smallest youth football participations in the Nation. Massachusetts isn't strong either, nor is New York and New Jersey. Hockey, Baseball, Soccer, Basketball, and Lacrosse are more popular today.

College football back East has never been big. The region lacks the massive State supported schools, so you don't have the huge alumni following that the blue bloods have. Unlike the West coast, you have multi-generational support of the longstanding professional teams. Everyone in New England passionately follows either the Red Sox or the Yankees. I mean, everyone. Minor league baseball is popular too. The Celtics, Bruins, and Patriots are massive. It's a pro sports region. Seattle is heading that direction too. UW is predicted to be a top-10 team this season and they're having trouble selling tickets. People would rather cheer for the Seahawks.
The portal and nil are destroying interest in college football
 
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That's certainly true out West. Super conference blue bloods in the B!G, SEC, and ACC aren't impacted too much by NIL, but programs out West won't be able to keep up because our fan bases don't care enough.
 
Well time for the rubber to hit the road. Mtn West declined SDSU's request for an extra month to decide on withdrawing.

Well that was predictable. The part that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me is that the MWC is apparently taking last week’s letter as their official notice…even though SDSU said it wasn’t. Makes more sense to me to not accept it and force SDSU to make their decision in the next 10 days. Accepting it gets SDSU out of a much higher exit fee.
 
Because, generally speaking, the vast majority of the Nation doesn't care at all about what goes on out West; particularly the Pacific NW.

Media outlets want access to the PST viewing window, but they don't care about pacific time zone teams. That want to showcase Midwest and East coast teams when they play out West. WA and Oregon mean nothing to most of the Nation. I'm from Boston and my friends and family are all diehard sports fans rooted back East. They have absolutely no interest in small time games of any kind. Mention the Mariners, Kraken, and Seahawks and they chuckle. Mention WSU and UW and they couldn't tell you what conference we play in. That's the mentality that's driving the super conference development. Nobody's gives a rats arse about WSU vs. Stanford or UW vs. Oregon State. If it's not a super hyped blue-blood game, the ratings fall off a cliff.

In 10-15 years, college football out West is going to be as popular as the Mountain West conference is today.
All true. It's increasingly about match ups. The last time I watched an entire college football game was the Michigan/Ohio st. game a few years ago, a late autumn game in light snow. The game looked the same as it did in 1970. I'll watch Texas/Oklahoma, Alabama/Auburn some, but the rest, I just click around, get up and go do something for awhile, then come back and see how it's going - usually it's a time out and an advertisement is on. In BB I'll watch any combination of games between Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, and in some years that may include UCLA, UConn, Arizona, Baylor. Basketball is easier to watch because number one - they actually play. Also, the game is done in just over two hours. If it were not for booze and food, I could not get through a football game, pro or college.
 
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