They open with TCU, Nebraska, and Colorado St. Then onto Pac12 schedule where they miss UW & Cal. That’s a pretty brutal schedule with SC, Oregon, Oregon St. Utah, both AZ schools, UCLA, and we catch them end of year. No hate against Prime because I haven’t paid attention to the saga in depth, but this may be a humbling year for that crew. I’d say 3-4 wins would be widely considered a success as long as they are competitive in spots.
What’s your thoughts on Colorado?
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gtfo here with "where's his class" garbage. He's had less than half a recruiting cycle.
Kids are flipping to CU, that should say enough about his 1st class
Deion has hired the best DC, OC available.
And Deion has been getting SO MANY FOUR AND FIVE STAR RECRUITS THAT HAVE BEGGED TO PLAY AT CU, THAT HAVE LEFT ALABAMA TYPES, THAT HAVE BEGGED TO PLAY AT CU.
ALSO DEION AND CU, HAVE HAD TO TAKE SCHOLLIES AWAY FROM PAST PLAYERS TO MAKE ROOM FOR ALL THE 4,5 STARS, BEGGING TO PLAY FOR DEION.
Because of all the above, CU wins 6,7,8,9,10 games Deion's first year
And Deion has been getting SO MANY FOUR AND FIVE STAR RECRUITS THAT HAVE BEGGED TO PLAY AT CU, THAT HAVE LEFT ALABAMA TYPES, THAT HAVE BEGGED TO PLAY AT CU.
ALSO DEION AND CU, HAVE HAD TO TAKE SCHOLLIES AWAY FROM PAST PLAYERS TO MAKE ROOM FOR ALL THE 4,5 STARS, BEGGING TO PLAY FOR DEION.
Because of all the above, CU wins 6,7,8,9,10 games Deion's first year
You'd have to be unusually negative on him to think he can't recruit. The real question will be whether he can coach, and the wheels might come off the recruiting bus if this season lays bare any inability to do that. I predict they'll have some struggles but still be decent, and he'll get away with any failings in that regard this year and will pull in a great class with this coming full cycle. After that, the jury will be out, especially if he is exposed as a guy just rolling the ball out there. If he has a good enough staff, that can mask a lot of issues, and all indications are that he's going to have the budget and good sense to do that.
He let a lot of players go which will benefit other teams but sanders has been picking up some really good players in the transfer portal and flipped other teams commitments. I wouldn’t surprised if they get 6 to 7 wins nor would I be surprised if they don’t get to 500. One thing is I think they will be an improved team especially as the year goes on.
Agree. Likely would be better if we played them earlier next season, but the schedule has been determined.
I'd say the issue is not whether he can recruit, or whether he can schmooze alums to fund raise. I'm comfortable in assuming that the answer to both is "yes". Heck, Jimmy Lake could do both of those things.
And it does not matter where on the scale of delegator to micro-manager he is, so long as he has the right staff to fit him. That will become clear over the next year.
Where the most question resides in my mind is whether he is a leader, in the better senses of that word. I have not really seen anything that shouts out that he is good in that area. If not, indication #1 will be when he shows resentment if someone else on the staff gets some credit, or attention. #2 will be when he starts throwing others under the bus if something does not go well. Also early in the process we'll learn how he handles a critical media. By the time a year has passed, we'll have a pretty good read.
And it does not matter where on the scale of delegator to micro-manager he is, so long as he has the right staff to fit him. That will become clear over the next year.
Where the most question resides in my mind is whether he is a leader, in the better senses of that word. I have not really seen anything that shouts out that he is good in that area. If not, indication #1 will be when he shows resentment if someone else on the staff gets some credit, or attention. #2 will be when he starts throwing others under the bus if something does not go well. Also early in the process we'll learn how he handles a critical media. By the time a year has passed, we'll have a pretty good read.
I think he is gonna be in for a rude awakening. Telling the current roster to scram then beat it is pretty brutal
He has replaced those 2 stars, 3 stars, 4 stars, with a mix of 4 star and 5 star HS recruits, and 4 star and 5 star TRANSFER PORTAL recruits.
And all the recruits were, was from ALABAMA TYPE HS VERBAL COMMITS and ALABAMA TYPE 4,5 STAR PLAYERS THAT TRANSFERED TO CU VIA PORTAL.
AND ALL HAVE BEGGED TO PLAY FOR DEION.
The old semi current roster of 2 stars, 3 stars, were PART OF A 1-11, LOSING CULTURE.
The ROSTER WAS EXTREMELY VASTLY IMPROVED, UPGRADED, over what was there before.
It may have been pretty brutal, but he was basically telling the team, that he was only keeping the CREAM of the crop, and BOOTING everybody else that was part of the previous 20 YEARS OF LOSER CULTURE, and that he was improving, upgrading both the roster, and THE CULTURE, and that even IN COMING 5 STARS would have to WORK THEIR AZZES OFF OR GET THE BOOT TOO, and that their was going to be ZERO TOLERANCE FOR LOSER CULTURE, AND THAT LOSER CULTURE ENDS.
Now if a coach does that at a WSU, Ore St, Colorado, etc type, and if the coach is not a Deion, then that won't fly, because the roster won't get better, and would get worse and would lose locker room, etc.
But if it's Deion, then the roster gets improved, and CU, coaches, fans, and even PLAYERS ARE TIRED OF LOSING, AND DESPERATE TO WIN, and thus will accept this from Deion, in order to WIN.
That said even tho CU Deion should win 6,7,8,9 games this coming season, if he only wins 2,3,4, this coming season, an or If he only wins 2,3,4,5,6 next season after this coming season, all hell would break loose, and Deion would lose the lockeroom, team, players would transfer, not play well on purpose, etc, and then that would lead to only 2,3,4 wins the next season after the first 2 seasons. And then Deion would either be fired or hotseated, and if hotseated, would be fired next season.
So Deion has to WIN NOW.
DEION IS PUTTING ALL HIS EGGS IN THE WIN NOW OR ELSE BASKET.
It may be brutal, but then again, 40 players leaving a team via transfer portal for NIL deals, etc, is pretty brutal too.
This is what the players get when want, get NIL, TRANSFER PORTAL, they get Deion, giving them the Boot, to go with getting more NIL, Transfer Portal opportunities.
He’s bringing a pile of kids from FCS to Power 5. Are there a couple that can play? Probably. Are there some he is gonna send back? Yep.
I don’t think he is gonna have the NIL fire power he needs to land the kids he thinks he is gonna get.
And there is more to it than just talent acquisition. He has to manage a locker room full of mercenaries there to be NFL prospects. He isn’t selling CU. He isn’t selling academics. He isn’t selling development. He is selling the fastest path possible to the NFL. What happens when he can’t make good on it?
CU could be right back at 1-11 when he leaves. Their players are choosing CU for all of the wrong reasons.
DUMB POST OF THE YEAR^^^^^
The only FCS kids he is bringing are the FCS 4, FOUR STAR recruits, players that were at JACKSON STATE.
Not have the NIL firepower LMFAO.
DEION IS WORTH ABOUT 250 MIL TO 850 MIL, so has his own money.
Also he started a multi million NIL dummy corporation that he used at JACKSON STATE, and that he also intends to use at CU.
Also CU has about a 10+ million NIL COLLECTIVE, MINIMUM, probably a lot more.
ALSO ABOUT 50 TO 100 TO 150 FOUR STAR AND FIVE STAR PLAYERS HAVE CONTACTED CU, DEION, AND BEGGED, PLEADED TO LET THEN PLAY AT CU FOR DEION.
THOSE PLAYERS TRANSFERED FROM ALABAMA TYPES TO CU, DEION.
Yeah he can under NIL.
If Deion has a business. And that business want to pay 3 million in NIL for one of CU's 5 star players stars to do NIL ads, using the Name, Image, Likeness of the player to help sell, advertise WIDGETS, at Deion's business, then that's 100% legal according to NIL rules.
And I am pretty sure that Deion has a business that can be used to do NIL deals.
No. You f’ing idiot. No school or coach can do this. No coach can give money to collectives.
And they don’t have this long list of 4 star kids coming. Maybe you should look at their commitment list and portal acquisitions before you type.
I am not sure Mik is a dope on this one as you have accused… the NIL is not regulated . Sanders is not able to give personal funds, but having a business is a real gray area. The “business” is giving him the funds . A nuance but there is a difference .
It is not a gray area. Coaches cannot use their money. So if it is their business that they own paying kids NIL money, whose money is it? There is no nuance.
Oh, and he isn’t f’ing worth $250 to $850 million dollars. F’ing idiot.
This. Plus you “couldn’t” hand money to players back in the 80s either but players could have “jobs” and Brian Bosworth got paid $500 a day to watch an oil rig go up and down (for an hour…if that?)
The NIL is a shitshow with plenty of gray area to exploit and Deion Sanders will exploit it to the fullest.
The good news is that the big boys of college football aren't happy with NIL either. Rules to control the madness are undoubtedly coming because as things are, it's unsustainable and destructive.
Well… if it is schedule c income or files z
Well.. where there is a will there is a way.
You are correct , if Sanders has a business he files a schedule c , then that is handing over money of his own and can be shown itbisn”his money”.
If he files an s Corp for example, a little less black and white. It is the Corporations money . But you still can make your argument .
Let’s say he is granted shares of a company he is a spokesperson for ?
What happens if he is a partner in a company ?
Hell you could make the argument if you want that if he owns stock in say Nike just in his stock portfolio he has “shares” of ownership in Nike .
So there is nuance here … you just are thinking in black and white terms .
Here is a great example . What happens if I was a coach and I bank rolled a car dealership . Say I funded 5 million for the dealership, can I have that dealership participate in NIL?
Especially where someone (presumably) has significant wealth apart from the earnings they get from coaching, it would be trivial to have some kind of entity apart from the coach himself fund NIL if that's what the coach wanted to do. It could be attenuated through trusts, shell corporations, offshore entities, or, even more simply and as I understand it to be done in Sanders' case, through a friend or contact bankrolling it. There are tons of ways to do it.
Rules may be coming, but I don't think any rules that get on the books will help WSU very much in this new world, nor are they likely to be enforced. This owes in part due to following the money and expecting those with money to have their interests addressed, but in even greater part to the complex legal picture at play.
This article is from this past summer, and things are even crazier now, but it briefly gets into all the complexities on this front. It's from the perspective of the NCAA just being unwilling to do anything, but my understanding is that the NCAA is going to run into similar legal issues as a result of the relevant Supreme Court case and the state laws that have followed.
The NIL Paradox for NCAA Athletes—Enforce or Recruit?
After the Supreme Court’s NCAA v. Alston decision, states and the NCAA began drafting rules to allow student-athletes to receive compensation for their name, image, and likeness. Alston & Bird attorneys Derin B. Dickerson and Trenton Hafley say that more than a year later, the legal and...
Teams aren’t built through free agency. see Arizona and fisch. He brought in a lot of high quality talent that did not gel.
you can add pieces through the portal but wholesale roster changes , bringing in thirty guys won’t usually work.
I don’t expect much from Deion the first couple of years other than undeserved hype
how he responds to losing will be interesting.
you can add pieces through the portal but wholesale roster changes , bringing in thirty guys won’t usually work.
I don’t expect much from Deion the first couple of years other than undeserved hype
how he responds to losing will be interesting.
I don’t think Sanders puts a dime of his own money in honestly but yes…the type of hype he’s bringing to CU and the connections he has there will be plenty of bags to go around.
What product or service does the false prophet’s business offer?
This isn’t about simply hiding ownership thru a Wyoming LLC. The kid’s name, image and likeness has to be used to promote the business. If this was just about paying kids money, sure. But it isn’t. They have to do something for the cash.
So tell me, what is his business that he supposedly runs???
This isn’t about simply hiding ownership thru a Wyoming LLC. The kid’s name, image and likeness has to be used to promote the business. If this was just about paying kids money, sure. But it isn’t. They have to do something for the cash.
So tell me, what is his business that he supposedly runs???
I thought NIL would bring in a surprisingly new power echelon within CFB. So far, the usual suspects are still dominating the recruiting front. Does this mean the true Blue Bloods also have the richest collectives? Or would Joe Blow 5 star still rather attend tOSU vs a much higher potential payday at say SMU.
I don't know a ton about Sanders, but the day the NIL Supreme Court case was decided, I brought up the example of Phil Knight putting up a billboard with all the Oregon starters on it and paying them each some significant amount ($100k, as I recall) to advertise anything he wanted. It could be a website, it could be some bullshit social organization (Athletes for Happiness and Hugs, [insert identity group] for the Future), or whatever else. To be clear, real life examples probably wouldn't be that ridiculous, but that was the point ... there was all kinds of room to have people/entities pay these kids for NIL in pay-for-play for some kind of ostensible promotional purpose, and most real-life examples would be a lot more questionable. I was told it was ridiculous and this kind of thing would never happen, that all that would happen was legitimate stars like Borghi would get thrown a few bucks for signing autographs or being in a local car dealership ad, etc. , and that businesspeople were smart, wouldn't waste money on advertising that didn't make sense, etc. Totally f'ing wrong. All this shit was eminently foreseeable.
Here's how it applies to Sanders ... it could be Portnoy getting these kids on Barstool (most likely), a friend creating some bullshit organization, etc. --- who is to say paying the kid $10k, $100k, or whatever per podcast episode, or for being in an ad, is not legitimate? We all would know it's pay-for-play, but where do you draw the line on what kinds of ads they can be in or how much they can be paid? Again, as I wrote on the day of that decision, the only way I could see to address that would be to have some kind of committee review all NIL deals and apply some kind of "bona fide business purpose" test. That is fraught with all kinds of issues and would be a complete mess. That may be where that goes, but there are all kinds of challenges I could see to it, and it sure isn't the case right now.
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Did you just move the goal posts? What "likeness" does any freshman coming to campus have? None. So let's not pretend any business being repped by these kids is real advertising. It is a way to get them to campus....so it doesn't matter what Sanders has his fingers in.
