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Who to hire -- "defense wins championships"

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Do you old timers remember Mike Price's presser, when he, out to the blue and said he was going to make the Cougs known for their defense, because wins championships. We snickered a bit, from a coach known for offense and little else. But crazy Mike did it and accomplished what was then thought essentially impossible, twice. While there is legitimate debate about whether Leach's or Price's 8+ win teams had better offensive personnel, their is little debate on the defensive side of the ball?

Now that Leach is gone, and we can talk about hiring a coach who has the capacity to beat the odds to get us back to the Rose Bowl, shouldn't we focus on a defense minded coach. Offensive minded coach's are far more sexy, that is a given. But if Mike Leach can't deliver, can any offense first coach? You don't get any better.

I know that this won't be popular, but shouldn't we be looking for a coach with a defense background or has demonstrate a commitment to defense?

Here are my thought on the "top" candidates.

Harsin -- while a offense guy, did not win with pure offense. Boise defense has been solid. My concern is that most "can't miss" Boise coaches have missed, Koetter, Hawkins failing at Pac-12 schools and Harsin never return Boise to their glory days.

McElwain, another offense guy, turned CSU around in three years, who failed at Florida, because of bad offense??? Like Leach, was at odds with the Florida admin and is seen as a bit of a loose canon, claimed he received death threats that were never substantiated. Turned CMU around in one season (with a young team) in Tedford like fashion. Could be a coaching genius, or Neuheisel lucky, we just don't know. He is the big gamble candidate. No big time school will not touch him without some Leach like rehab.

Rolovich, offense guy who uses the "run and shot," had some success at Hawaii, with suspect defense and a senior dominated team this year. Coaching resume is very weak.

Grinch -- Grooming himself for the big time, DC at tOSU and OU. Turn crap into the 16 defense national while in Pullman in Zimmer fashion. However, this was at a time the offense dominated TOP with dink and dunk passing, 77 snaps per game vs. 53, so his defense was protected.
What the hell would he do on offense and does he have the personnel management skills to be a top HC? Clearly, a stepping stone job for him, nothing more. His hire would make the most waves within the coaching fraternity.

Harrell -- OC at USC is by far the best Leach plug in replacement candidate. However, would probably need a psych exam if he took the job. He is the "fall back" USC hire right now to replace Helton when he is canned, and USC has had no luck hiring a big name coach, ever. So he must know that he is in line to be handed a blue blood job. While his hire would create the most Coug fan pop, he probably is the least ready to be a head coach and very tough job like WSU.
 
Do you old timers remember Mike Price's presser, when he, out to the blue and said he was going to make the Cougs known for their defense, because wins championships. We snickered a bit, from a coach known for offense and little else. But crazy Mike did it and accomplished what was then thought essentially impossible, twice. While there is legitimate debate about whether Leach's or Price's 8+ win teams had better offensive personnel, their is little debate on the defensive side of the ball?

Now that Leach is gone, and we can talk about hiring a coach who has the capacity to beat the odds to get us back to the Rose Bowl, shouldn't we focus on a defense minded coach. Offensive minded coach's are far more sexy, that is a given. But if Mike Leach can't deliver, can any offense first coach? You don't get any better.

I know that this won't be popular, but shouldn't we be looking for a coach with a defense background or has demonstrate a commitment to defense?

Here are my thought on the "top" candidates.

Harsin -- while a offense guy, did not win with pure offense. Boise defense has been solid. My concern is that most "can't miss" Boise coaches have missed, Koetter, Hawkins failing at Pac-12 schools and Harsin never return Boise to their glory days.

McElwain, another offense guy, turned CSU around in three years, who failed at Florida, because of bad offense??? Like Leach, was at odds with the Florida admin and is seen as a bit of a loose canon, claimed he received death threats that were never substantiated. Turned CMU around in one season (with a young team) in Tedford like fashion. Could be a coaching genius, or Neuheisel lucky, we just don't know. He is the big gamble candidate. No big time school will not touch him without some Leach like rehab.

Rolovich, offense guy who uses the "run and shot," had some success at Hawaii, with suspect defense and a senior dominated team this year. Coaching resume is very weak.

Grinch -- Grooming himself for the big time, DC at tOSU and OU. Turn crap into the 16 defense national while in Pullman in Zimmer fashion. However, this was at a time the offense dominated TOP with dink and dunk passing, 77 snaps per game vs. 53, so his defense was protected.
What the hell would he do on offense and does he have the personnel management skills to be a top HC? Clearly, a stepping stone job for him, nothing more. His hire would make the most waves within the coaching fraternity.

Harrell -- OC at USC is by far the best Leach plug in replacement candidate. However, would probably need a psych exam if he took the job. He is the "fall back" USC hire right now to replace Helton when he is canned, and USC has had no luck hiring a big name coach, ever. So he must know that he is in line to be handed a blue blood job. While his hire would create the most Coug fan pop, he probably is the least ready to be a head coach and very tough job like WSU.

See Cal and Justin Wilcox. Went from the Sonny Dykes Air RAID to smash mouth D. I don’t see them competing for a PacN title but they’ll be competitive.
 
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Do you old timers remember Mike Price's presser, when he, out to the blue and said he was going to make the Cougs known for their defense, because wins championships. We snickered a bit, from a coach known for offense and little else. But crazy Mike did it and accomplished what was then thought essentially impossible, twice. While there is legitimate debate about whether Leach's or Price's 8+ win teams had better offensive personnel, their is little debate on the defensive side of the ball?

Now that Leach is gone, and we can talk about hiring a coach who has the capacity to beat the odds to get us back to the Rose Bowl, shouldn't we focus on a defense minded coach. Offensive minded coach's are far more sexy, that is a given. But if Mike Leach can't deliver, can any offense first coach? You don't get any better.

I know that this won't be popular, but shouldn't we be looking for a coach with a defense background or has demonstrate a commitment to defense?

Here are my thought on the "top" candidates.

Harsin -- while a offense guy, did not win with pure offense. Boise defense has been solid. My concern is that most "can't miss" Boise coaches have missed, Koetter, Hawkins failing at Pac-12 schools and Harsin never return Boise to their glory days.

McElwain, another offense guy, turned CSU around in three years, who failed at Florida, because of bad offense??? Like Leach, was at odds with the Florida admin and is seen as a bit of a loose canon, claimed he received death threats that were never substantiated. Turned CMU around in one season (with a young team) in Tedford like fashion. Could be a coaching genius, or Neuheisel lucky, we just don't know. He is the big gamble candidate. No big time school will not touch him without some Leach like rehab.

Rolovich, offense guy who uses the "run and shot," had some success at Hawaii, with suspect defense and a senior dominated team this year. Coaching resume is very weak.

Grinch -- Grooming himself for the big time, DC at tOSU and OU. Turn crap into the 16 defense national while in Pullman in Zimmer fashion. However, this was at a time the offense dominated TOP with dink and dunk passing, 77 snaps per game vs. 53, so his defense was protected.
What the hell would he do on offense and does he have the personnel management skills to be a top HC? Clearly, a stepping stone job for him, nothing more. His hire would make the most waves within the coaching fraternity.

Harrell -- OC at USC is by far the best Leach plug in replacement candidate. However, would probably need a psych exam if he took the job. He is the "fall back" USC hire right now to replace Helton when he is canned, and USC has had no luck hiring a big name coach, ever. So he must know that he is in line to be handed a blue blood job. While his hire would create the most Coug fan pop, he probably is the least ready to be a head coach and very tough job like WSU.
If you believe Rolovich has a weak resume, then Harrell's is much weaker. He has only been an assistant six years and three as an offensive coordinator. Rolovich has been a coach for 14 years, which includes three as a head coach and six as a coordinator.
 
Not sure why you can’t be both. Even though Leach was our HC and an offensive minded guy, 3 seasons ago we were a defensive team. Defense was the strength of that team and Leach played it that way, punting for field position and such.
 
People have to accept that Pullman is not a destination forever job for a head coach. The Pullman job will likely be a stepping stone for a successful coach for a few years and then move on.After graduate school i was offered a exempt position but instead went to another state. If the next coach can continue to win and get the cougs to bowl games for 3-5 years i am good with that.
 
People have to accept that Pullman is not a destination forever job for a head coach. The Pullman job will likely be a stepping stone for a successful coach for a few years and then move on.After graduate school i was offered a exempt position but instead went to another state. If the next coach can continue to win and get the cougs to bowl games for 3-5 years i am good with that.
Were you offered the head football coach at WSU after grad school? Otherwise that has a lot to do about nothing.
 
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If you believe Rolovich has a weak resume, then Harrell's is much weaker. He has only been an assistant six years and three as an offensive coordinator. Rolovich has been a coach for 14 years, which includes three as a head coach and six as a coordinator.
Weak only in the sense that he has not been exposed to many different staffs and schemes. Ideally you want a guy who's been around the block a little, who has a better understanding of things that work and things that don't through experience.
 
Weak only in the sense that he has not been exposed to many different staffs and schemes. Ideally you want a guy who's been around the block a little, who has a better understanding of things that work and things that don't through experience.

Just because a coach has been around the block little doesn't mean they are a good coach, example Paul Wulff and Jim Mora.
 
Harrell is eventually going to be a really good coach like Briles or Leach but it doesn’t mean he would succeed at WSU. Many coaches would not succeed at WSU.
 
Just because a coach has been around the block little doesn't mean they are a good coach, example Paul Wulff and Jim Mora.
But it doesn't hurt to have experience with multiple philosophies. Bill Doba had great experience with the option, we could have used it 3 weeks ago.
 
I think you actually see the problem of a one-dimensional HC a lot. You don't start as a HC, you become a master at either offense or defense, then you become HC and just start coaching what you know (which means omitting what you don't).

Pete Carroll, Will Muschamp, Kirby Smart, Jim McElwain, Justin Wilcox are all great defensive minds and their teams take on those personalities, often to the exclusion of the offense. As a result, some of them have been journeymen. Mike Leach, Sonny Dykes, and a handful of other guys do the same for offense, often to the exclusion of the defense. Same deal here.

Makes you wonder if a strategy like having a figurehead HC with highly paid OC/DC would work? They wouldn't be making HC but they would blow away typical coordinator pay and truly OWN one thing they know really well, rather than being an offense guy or a defense guy who comes in and ignores the other side of the ball.
 
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