WSU vaccine mandate
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50% capacity is what attendance is anyways.
In order to maintain proper capacity we will only have home games on holiday weekends.
The good news is the nanobot technology in the vaccines will allow for body scan entry and tracking for halftime beer runs. The Moderna vaccine made me feel like when I caught swine flu in 09 at WSU, but it will be worth it to be able to watch us give up 28 point leads in person.
You must have a weak immune system, I had two shots of Moderna, didn’t have any issues.
Even the doctor on virus fear porn station CNN just said they should open up everything to those who are vaccinated. Out of 87 million only an infinitesimal amount how been reinfected. It’s your reward for getting the shots. Normalcy! Trying to shame or scare people ain’t working any more. Carrots not sticks.
Utterly stupid policy. We are in the midst of a "killer" pandemic or we are not. If we are, vaccines should be mandatory. If we were facing a mutant strain of small pox or pneumonic plague, do you think for one second WSU would be allowing people to opt out for "personal concerns." Hell no! They should allow 100% capacity at school/event for everyone who is vaccinated, all others being barred. If you are in such poor health or are an anti science/antivaxer stay the F home. Don't force WSU and others to placate you, you bad health and/or your irrational ideas.
The HERD is far more important than massaging the psyche of a few low IQ's types.
The HERD is far more important than massaging the psyche of a few low IQ's types.
Yeah.......How old are you? The second dose is meant to prompt a heavy immune response, indicative of a strong immune system. Older folks tend to get less of the side effects as opposed to younger/middle aged adults because their bodies are incapable of producing peak immune responses that a younger adult can. Side effects are literally a direct showing of a strong immune response.
I work with a couple guys that will not get the vaccine. It's stupid...but it's what people do. Of course, neither of these people go to public events on a regular basis.......so it's not like they care.
I'm not going down the rabbit hole of castigating those who don't get a vaccine, regardless of what the research says. I'll just note that the mutations are my biggest realistic concern going forward. Thus far it appears that the vaccine(s) are relatively effective regardless of which variant we've seen to this point. However, when you have a nation the size of India (let alone the rest of the world) that had no aggressive in-country vaccination program (they sold most of the vaccines that they produced elsewhere), you have produced a nationwide mutation lab. Until the world has been through the vaccine cycle...or had covid, and we learn that the T cells will stick around for at least several years, which we don't know yet, and that having had one version of covid effectively immunizes one against the variants, which we also don't know yet...until then, we are not done with covid. The world will continue to produce variants. All we need is one that doesn't react to the vaccine, and we will be into a "rinse and repeat" cycle, which I don't want to have to go through for a second time. The answer is vaccinations, to try to stomp covid before it can produce that semi-bulletproof variant. For those that have already had covid, a vaccine acts as a booster shot. The idea that public universities...along with cruise lines and many other venues...will require vaccines is just common sense. There is roughly a 1 in 1 million chance of blood clots from a vaccine. Birth control pills over a 10 year period produce blood clots (depending upon age & a variety of health factors) for somewhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 350. About 20% of covid patients who were admitted to the hospital were found to have blood clots. The risks vs the benefits are pretty clear, particularly compared to other situations (I wonder how many people consider blood clots before taking birth control pills?) and over the next year you will see a lot of places requiring vaccinations, not just WSU.
As for the loopholes and the conscientious objectors, we have them in every significant effort in society. Fortunately, we don't have the fake science and political element in every effort that we've seen in covid. The other fortunate thing has been the development of mRNA vaccines, which should produce (and appear to actually have produced) less side effects. It is my hope that mRNA vaccines will also be more applicable across a wide strain of mutations, but that is something that only time and a bunch of mutations will prove one way or the other.
Finally, thanks for Chugs explanation of immune response and age. He is correct, and he saved me having to explain that.
As for the loopholes and the conscientious objectors, we have them in every significant effort in society. Fortunately, we don't have the fake science and political element in every effort that we've seen in covid. The other fortunate thing has been the development of mRNA vaccines, which should produce (and appear to actually have produced) less side effects. It is my hope that mRNA vaccines will also be more applicable across a wide strain of mutations, but that is something that only time and a bunch of mutations will prove one way or the other.
Finally, thanks for Chugs explanation of immune response and age. He is correct, and he saved me having to explain that.
Totally, no vaccine passport, no entry. Shoot, they should require a vaccine passport to enter Pullman. Have a few frat guy guards at the bottom 270 at Grand and make cars/trucks flash their passport for entry. These darn low IQ folks are going to be the end of this world.
I guess I’m officially old. Not much reaction to shot 2 and I got it yesterday. I also am RARELY sick (other then hangovers) so maybe there is a relationship there?
My IQ is plenty high and I'm uncertain when I'll get it. I'm not in a vulnerable demographic and I feel like there are a lot of vulnerable people who still haven't had their shot or had access to it. A month ago the Tri-Cities were still waiting for doses from His Majesty, and the news out of Olympia has been sparse. Yes, I realize that vaccinations are open to all, but the only people I know rushing to get it is the under 50 crowd. The state has done a piss poor job of reaching out to those who might not be internet savvy and able to know exactly when/where they can get their shot(s).
I have vacation planned in August and I have to imagine that by then there will be a mandate for travel, so I'll probably get it sooner than later.
It's going to be a sad day when this happens. It's a frickin choice, not a requirement.
Some of you people are high. Unpopular opinion but demanding others share their medical information or creating societal limitation based on their personal health is a violation of civil rights. WSU is a state school so expect them to fall in line with arbitrary state demands, there is money involved after all. But they'll be turning away a lot of business and fanbase while other states benefit from maximum enrollment and packed out stadiums.
I got the J&J and felt totally fine. I even had Covid back in November. My in-laws (in their 70s) who had Covid a year ago and had serious reactions to the second shot.
It is also a choice for a company say Alaska Airlines, Delta etc to make up rules that will ensure passenger safety and do what is best for their business model.
What is your opinion when DSHS or another Federal agency steps in on parents who will not provide medical care that will save their kids life? Or if they don't get their proper vaccines to attend school and sports?
Two different things, Ed. The vaccines you reference have been tested thoroughly and used for generations. I completely agree with the feds stepping in to protect the life of a child. And if a parent doesn't want to get the proper vaccines to attend school, well, they can just home school then.
Covid is a different animal altogether. I strongly disagree with the government limiting travel without a piece of paper documenting that you let them inject you with a substance that we have no idea what the long term effects are. If you believe that's ok, that's certainly your choice. Just don't force me to submit to it in order to move freely about the country.
I more or less agree with this. Travel should not be limited for citizens.
But I just chalk up getting it with all the research chemicals that were ingested during college. That and almost everyone I consider smart chose to get the vaccine. I’m sure there are plenty good examples of those who didn’t, though.
There is no infringement on rights that is too large if just one life is saved.
I've gotten lost in all the "information", so maybe you can clarify (I imagine you asked your Dr.) - previously having 'Rona does NOT inoculate you from getting it again?
There is no limit to the debate re: individual liberties vs. public health. Should lepers have been isolated from the population throughout history? No doubt it was a violation of their liberties. Should every drug be 100% legal, with no limits? It is easy to come up with scenarios. The "rights" of individuals to do what they wish, regardless of the "rights" of the vast majority to be protected, is one of those things for which discussion can go in a lot of directions, and in the final analysis someone will disagree with every position that is taken. I've actually had a few people who I used to think had a brain argue that everybody should be deliberately given covid over a manageable period of time. That would theoretically get rid of the disease, and the ones who lived would be more worthy from a Darwinian perspective. Of course, those who disagreed would cite their "rights" to not be given covid, so I guess that would never go anywhere, either.
"Overpopulation is the biggest existential threat to the environment according to science.
It effects every person and the lives of future generations.
Therefore, before you enter this stadium and enjoy this game I am going to need to see what form of birth control you and your spouse currently practice."
It effects every person and the lives of future generations.
Therefore, before you enter this stadium and enjoy this game I am going to need to see what form of birth control you and your spouse currently practice."
I thought I was the only young gun on the board. 09-13 here. Maybe we crossed paths at the Coug.
Let's be clear, no one's rights would be or are infringed. No one is being force to be vaccinated. You don't have "the right" to attend sporting events, fly on an airline or attend a theater, etc. At most, that ticket affords you a limited "license" to attended, subject to all restrictions associated therewith, such as being vaccinated. You want to fly without being vaccinated, tough, take your car, bike or boat, you want to watch the Cougs, fire up the HDTV. Its entirely up to the licensor/regulatory authorities. You want to be a modern typhoid Mary, fine. But let's not forget Mary spent the last 30 years of her life quarantined, because she didn't have the right to be a public health hazard, and neither do the "these vaccines are unsafe or potentially unsafe" crowd. They are going to be isolated and excluded from stuff, so that the rest of us can get on with our lives, safely. It will be a direct consequence of their decision.
Why is covid any different than the infancy stages of any vaccine that has come out. Have you talked to a scientist or someone at a Biotech to let you know the safety features that the drug has gone through despite the short term FDA approval?
A close friend of mine who was on campus when you and I were there is healthy as can be. Lives in Arizona. He was very careful about covid. His wife worked a wedding reception in November. 100 people were there, 40 got covid, plus members of the staff. My friends wife got it, then passed it to him. He was sick for two weeks, never had to go to the hospital, but still has affects today. He has longhaulers.
With 500, or 400, or 300k whatever figure you would like to use it sure seems like getting the vaccine sure beats getting covid, and we have zero idea how much damage the morphed virus will cause.
My daughter is a freshman in Pullman like yours. She has been ultra careful, still got covid and had to be quarantined. Only way she knew she had it? Because we were flying her home for Easter and she wanted to give us the peace of mind she didn't have it and took the covid test.
I guess I just see it way different than you. I don't see it as a liberty issue, or a freedom issue. Interning Japanese Americans in 1940's would seem to be a liberty issue. But those who did it would argue it made the US safer. After 911 people were ok with profiling. That seems to be a liberty issue. Again, there are those who argue it was necessary. I guess I see it as a solution to those who lost their jobs, to those who are losing family members, to those who are getting sick. It for me again isn't a liberty issue, unless I am looking at the long term liberty issues for our country.
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