2020 P12 North Prediction

[CougPatrol]

Here my 2020 P12 North pre-spring seeding:

1) Oregon
2) UW
3) Cal
4) WSU
5) Stanford
6) Oregon State

Oregon and UW seem like pretty straightforward 1-2 picks until proven otherwise. 3-5 are up in the air.

Cal returns their nucleus on offense, and while they lose a lot in the front-7 of their defense, I like their defensive system, particularly with WSU, Stanford, and Oregon State fielding new QBs. If Garbers didn’t get hurt this season, Cal was likely a 10-win team. As of today, I wouldn’t pick WSU to beat Cal next season, so I’m locking them in at #3.

WSU returns a lot, and it’s logical to assume that whoever wins the QB job will be above average. The conference schedule is favorable for us, but the defense is still up in the air. Spring ball will reveal more about WSU than any other team in our division IMO.

Stanford returns just about everyone in their offensive 2-deeps, but they lose a lot off of a defense that was just OK. They’ve lost some luster over the past few years, but their QB prospects are promising, as is Emmitt Smith’s kid coming in as a highly regarded RB recruit.

Oregon State looks to be on the rise, but losing 3 starters on the offensive line, a starting TE, and a very experienced QB seems like too much to overcome. Like us, they have major defensive issues.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Although Leach has gotten a little annoying with his refusal to give a real depth chart and sprinkling "OR" all over the place, we return 9 starters on defense and 6 starters on offense based on the depth charts that I've seen. Given our depth at wide receiver, I'm not really that concerned about losing Arconado and Patmon....even though they were definitely two of our best receivers. Getting Calvin Jackson for a second senior year thanks to his redshirting this year is going to help a lot.

Our offensive production is going to key on how our next QB performs. If Cooper or Cruz steps into the role (or Leach finds that magical grad transfer guy), I think we are going to be fine.

On defense, you could argue that getting 9 guys back on a crappy defense isn't meaningful, but I think we see this defense improve significantly. I don't think we'll be good, but I think we can improve from terrible to meh. Just being meh would have gotten us 9 wins this year.

So, given that, this is how I see the Pac-12 North next year:

1) Oregon
2) WSU
3) UW
4) Cal
5) OSU
6) Stanford

As mentioned above, OSU was trending the right way, but it took Luton until his senior year to be decent....and he's gone. Otherwise, I would have been tempted to put them higher yet. I think the wheels are off the Stanford bus and they have 13 guys that have entered into the portal this year. Shaw screwed up by not going to the NFL sooner (if that was his dream) and I think he ends up getting canned in the next year or two.

 

[CougPatrol]

There is absolutely nothing, not even blind loyalty, to rationalize picking WSU ahead of UW next season.

 

[earldacoug]

Oregon loses 4 o-line and will have a new QB. I don’t see them being top 2 in the north. Looking forward to beating their arse in Pullman next fall.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

There is absolutely nothing, not even blind loyalty, to rationalize picking WSU ahead of UW next season.

Rational doesn't have anything to do with it......but I think that UW had been the beneficiary of stability at the QB position prior to 2019. Losing Eason is going to keep them in the same 7-5 range that they were in 2019 Nothing lasts forever and we are due to beat them sometime and it might as well be 2020.

The comment about Oregon losing their OL is a good one and I could see them falling off, but they are the school in the Pac-12 North that recruits well enough that they should be able to reload. I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped off significantly though.

 

[chipdouglas]

Rational doesn't have anything to do with it......but I think that UW had been the beneficiary of stability at the QB position prior to 2019. Losing Eason is going to keep them in the same 7-5 range that they were in 2019 Nothing lasts forever and we are due to beat them sometime and it might as well be 2020.

The comment about Oregon losing their OL is a good one and I could see them falling off, but they are the school in the Pac-12 North that recruits well enough that they should be able to reload. I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped off significantly though.

Eason floundered coast to coast in CFB and they still smoked us in his first and only year under center. On their current 7-year streak (!) UW has beaten us with 4 different QBs and only Browning played us more than once, if memory serves.

The idea that they’re due for an AC loss because, like us, they’ll be breaking in a new QB, has zero connection to history. It has never stopped them before.

 

[Glad Cougar]

So much will be happening in the next few months that it seems premature to do any predicting of the P-12 North. WSU, UW, UO, and OSU have yet to figure out who will be QB and it's very possible the choice is not even on campus yet...at least for 3 of those schools. Once the transfer season is over, we should have a better idea how it will shake out.

Glad Cougar

 

[COUGinNCW]

Here my 2020 P12 North pre-spring seeding:

1) Oregon
2) UW
3) Cal
4) WSU
5) Stanford
6) Oregon State

Oregon and UW seem like pretty straightforward 1-2 picks until proven otherwise. 3-5 are up in the air.

Cal returns their nucleus on offense, and while they lose a lot in the front-7 of their defense, I like their defensive system, particularly with WSU, Stanford, and Oregon State fielding new QBs. If Garbers didn’t get hurt this season, Cal was likely a 10-win team. As of today, I wouldn’t pick WSU to beat Cal next season, so I’m locking them in at #3.

WSU returns a lot, and it’s logical to assume that whoever wins the QB job will be above average. The conference schedule is favorable for us, but the defense is still up in the air. Spring ball will reveal more about WSU than any other team in our division IMO.

Stanford returns just about everyone in their offensive 2-deeps, but they lose a lot off of a defense that was just OK. They’ve lost some luster over the past few years, but their QB prospects are promising, as is Emmitt Smith’s kid coming in as a highly regarded RB recruit.

Oregon State looks to be on the rise, but losing 3 starters on the offensive line, a starting TE, and a very experienced QB seems like too much to overcome. Like us, they have major defensive issues.

2020 will be a free for all in the North. Lot's of question marks, 5 new QBs (if you count Stanford), a new HC at uw etc. I don't think anyone gets through the conference schedule with less than 2 losses and wouldn't be surprised to see the winner with 3 losses winning by some funky tie breaker. The South is probably just as wide open with my lean going towards USC winning it with at least 1-2 conference losses.

 

[chugspig]

UW is gonna beat us senseless next year.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Im picking WSU. Again.

This is not a murderers row of unbeatable teams. Hell, every school should be picking themselves to win!

WSU 9-0 in league, only if Leach adapts. Otherwise, 3-6 again.

 

[Coug90]

Although Leach has gotten a little annoying with his refusal to give a real depth chart and sprinkling "OR" all over the place, we return 9 starters on defense and 6 starters on offense based on the depth charts that I've seen. Given our depth at wide receiver, I'm not really that concerned about losing Arconado and Patmon....even though they were definitely two of our best receivers. Getting Calvin Jackson for a second senior year thanks to his redshirting this year is going to help a lot.

Our offensive production is going to key on how our next QB performs. If Cooper or Cruz steps into the role (or Leach finds that magical grad transfer guy), I think we are going to be fine.

On defense, you could argue that getting 9 guys back on a crappy defense isn't meaningful, but I think we see this defense improve significantly. I don't think we'll be good, but I think we can improve from terrible to meh. Just being meh would have gotten us 9 wins this year.

So, given that, this is how I see the Pac-12 North next year:

1) Oregon
2) WSU
3) UW
4) Cal
5) OSU
6) Stanford

As mentioned above, OSU was trending the right way, but it took Luton until his senior year to be decent....and he's gone. Otherwise, I would have been tempted to put them higher yet. I think the wheels are off the Stanford bus and they have 13 guys that have entered into the portal this year. Shaw screwed up by not going to the NFL sooner (if that was his dream) and I think he ends up getting canned in the next year or two.

I don’t want 9 starters back from that defense. Youngsters need to hit the weight room and training table hard this offseason.

 

[royhobbs2]

get cal out of #3. Factor in the coaching problems at UW. I agree with Oregon #1, but we can beat Oregon.

 

[CougPatrol]

get cal out of #3. Factor in the coaching problems at UW. I agree with Oregon #1, but we can beat Oregon.

Until we can demonstrate the ability to even remotely hang with UW, I'm not factoring in anything with them, other than the strong likelihood that they'll beat us for the 8th straight year.

Cal scares me too for many of the same reasons. We can't move the ball against them, and their offense returns everyone next season. Do I *think* we can beat them? Yes. Would I bet on that right now, today, not knowing what the future of our defense looks like? Nope. We couldn't slow down their offense with Devon Freaking Modster at QB. Talk about embarrassing.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I don’t want 9 starters back from that defense. Youngsters need to hit the weight room and training table hard this offseason.

I'm interested to see if Brown can become a starter at LB. We had a crap ton of new DB's last year and I'm wondering if any of them improve in the offseason and take a spot. Defensive Line is the biggest question mark. We struggled to generate pressure this year and we lose a lot there (4 out of the top 6). Hope it's addition by subtraction.

 

[royhobbs2]

Until we can demonstrate the ability to even remotely hang with UW, I'm not factoring in anything with them, other than the strong likelihood that they'll beat us for the 8th straight year.

Cal scares me too for many of the same reasons. We can't move the ball against them, and their offense returns everyone next season. Do I *think* we can beat them? Yes. Would I bet on that right now, today, not knowing what the future of our defense looks like? Nope. We couldn't slow down their offense with Devon Freaking Modster at QB. Talk about embarrassing.

im talking about the teams playing their entire conference schedules, head to head matchups are just one game, other than to fans who place more importance on one game for bragging rights etc...one game isnt the whole season.

 

[CougPatrol]

im talking about the teams playing their entire conference schedules, head to head matchups are just one game, other than to fans who place more importance on one game for bragging rights etc...one game isnt the whole season.

Yes, but when you lose your head to head matchups against P12 North rivals, you have to finish a game ahead of them in the standings, as the tiebreakers work against you. Since I don’t see us beating UW or Cal, the likelihood of us finishing ahead of them isn’t strong.

 

[GrayOnGray]

If we keep the same defensive coaches, it's a three-way race to the bottom, with UO, UW and Cal fighting for the top.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Until we can demonstrate the ability to even remotely hang with UW, I'm not factoring in anything with them, other than the strong likelihood that they'll beat us for the 8th straight year.

Cal scares me too for many of the same reasons. We can't move the ball against them, and their offense returns everyone next season. Do I *think* we can beat them? Yes. Would I bet on that right now, today, not knowing what the future of our defense looks like? Nope. We couldn't slow down their offense with Devon Freaking Modster at QB. Talk about embarrassing.

Until the defense gets right, the offense and special teams are gonna have to do more. Otherwise, WSU will continue to lose.

The offense has to score. Not 13 or 20. They need to put up 35+ per game. They have to score enough to force the other team into being 1 dimensional. They have to help the defense by forcing the other team into being pass heavy. The problem is that WSU has no pass defenders, no pass rushers and less coaching.

The special teams has to be smart. They clearly can’t allow the other team a chance to return. They have to kick the ball out of the end zone or punt it out of bounds. You cant let the other teams best athlete return against your second string defensive players. They arent good enough to stop him. Starters versus backups isnt gonna be the answer.

You have to get returns yourself. If someone is gonna kick/punt to you, gotta have a big return. If you cannot block in the open field, fine. Do what Denton HS did in the Texas playoffs. Google it.

We can all piss and moan about the defense but at what point do you acknowledge that you have to help them? Pointing fingers and talking shit only goes so far. The calvary of talent isnt coming. They will likely be the same guys. So how do you help the team be more successful? Score more points, play special teams geared towards creating longer fields.

Do you wanna win games having tweaked what you do to cater to the kids you have? Or do you wanna do what you do and lose?

Pick.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Oregon deserves the nod to be in first place at this point. They could certainly lose that nod, but for now it makes sense.

The next pick is a lot tougher:

Stanford? After the way things went this season? I think you can flip a coin between them and OSU for last place. The game is at Stanford, so I'll pick Stanford to win and finish 5th.

Cal has yet to put together a fully functional offense and they lose a lot of their D this year. But, they have a good defensive coaching staff. Still...I put them 4th. We have Cal in Pullman this year, and should win a close one.

That leaves 2nd & 3rd between UW and WSU. Based solely on the last half dozen year's results, I expect to lose the AC. But that only dictates final North finish as one of 9 league games, so it is possible to lose the AC and still finish ahead of UW. More thoughts:

UW was mediocre this year, with a veteran QB. They are returning some experience, but they have a new HC. I suspect they will play 2020 about the same as 2019. That might get them to 2nd if they don't choke the Cal game and win the AC.

WSU? We could start hot but not really know how good we are until the last 3 games....Oregon, Utah and UW end the regular season for us. I think it is reasonable to expect that our new DC and the 9 returning starters will lead to D improvement. How much, I don't know, but we will be at least one drive better in every game, and this season that would have meant 3 more wins. On offense we will have a functional QB. If he isn't quite as big an interception generator as Gordon, the O will be marginally better. I think we pretty much reload at the other positions, and we will have a starting RB that will definitely be the best combo run/receive RB in the PAC. I think we win 8 games. That is probably 3rd in the north.

 

[etowncoug]

Im picking WSU. Again.

This is not a murderers row of unbeatable teams. Hell, every school should be picking themselves to win!

WSU 9-0 in league, only if Leach adapts. Otherwise, 3-6 again.

So Leach is a bad coach if he doesn't go undefeated. Despite having what you admit is a bad defense and breaking in a new QB?

 

[CougPatrol]

Oregon, Utah and UW end the regular season for us.

I don't believe the schedule dates have been established yet for 2020. If you're looking at the future schedule, it lists the opponents, but the date is set as TBD.

 

[dgibbons]

So Leach is a bad coach if he doesn't go undefeated. Despite having what you admit is a bad defense and breaking in a new QB?

Obviously.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

We'll have several 6-8 win seasons until we get a defense figured out. And thats being optimistic.

Seriously, we aren't even competitive with the rest of the p12 personnel-wise. OSU is out recruiting us.

There is literally no light at the end of the tunnel for the DL. Our incoming NT is 260 lbs... seriously, wtf?

Leach needs to stop being so goddamn selfish and convert one of the 300#ers from OL to NT. "Hey kid, you can sit and learn for 2 years or you can start today." This is a full on, 5 alarm fire that we have going on on defense and Nero is fiddling away.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I don't believe the schedule dates have been established yet for 2020. If you're looking at the future schedule, it lists the opponents, but the date is set as TBD.

Date is listed as TBA because it isn't 100% certain that any particular game will be on a Saturday. Might be the Thursday game. Their order in terms of which week/which opponent has been fixed for several years. Time is also TBA due to TV subservience.

You've probably seen this or something similar:

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2020/team/washington-state

 

[BiggsCoug]

We'll have several 6-8 win seasons until we get a defense figured out. And thats being optimistic.

Seriously, we aren't even competitive with the rest of the p12 personnel-wise. OSU is out recruiting us.

There is literally no light at the end of the tunnel for the DL. Our incoming NT is 260 lbs... seriously, wtf?

Leach needs to stop being so goddamn selfish and convert one of the 300#ers from OL to NT. "Hey kid, you can sit and learn for 2 years or you can start today." This is a full on, 5 alarm fire that we have going on on defense and Nero is fiddling away.

Dont discount the DT from Indiana. He can play in the speed D. How big was Herc???

 

[BiggsCoug]

We'll have several 6-8 win seasons until we get a defense figured out. And thats being optimistic.

Seriously, we aren't even competitive with the rest of the p12 personnel-wise. OSU is out recruiting us.

There is literally no light at the end of the tunnel for the DL. Our incoming NT is 260 lbs... seriously, wtf?

Leach needs to stop being so goddamn selfish and convert one of the 300#ers from OL to NT. "Hey kid, you can sit and learn for 2 years or you can start today." This is a full on, 5 alarm fire that we have going on on defense and Nero is fiddling away.

OL and DL are not the same skill set. Simply moving a body to the DL wont work.

I agree that the defense is an all hands on deck issue. Moving an OL to the DL isnt gonna work.

Ya know what will work? Recruiting and a powerhouse of a strength program. Tip top coaching will work wonders. All 3 are needed right now.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

We'll have several 6-8 win seasons until we get a defense figured out. And thats being optimistic.

Seriously, we aren't even competitive with the rest of the p12 personnel-wise. OSU is out recruiting us.

There is literally no light at the end of the tunnel for the DL. Our incoming NT is 260 lbs... seriously, wtf?

Leach needs to stop being so goddamn selfish and convert one of the 300#ers from OL to NT. "Hey kid, you can sit and learn for 2 years or you can start today." This is a full on, 5 alarm fire that we have going on on defense and Nero is fiddling away.

Bleed, we are often in agreement but not on this issue, at least not completely. My thoughts, for what they are worth:

- Our OL recruits for the most part would not belong on a D line. Different skill set and personality.
- The typical D interior lineman gains 20-30 pounds over his first 2 years. If he comes in at 260, that means that as a redshirt soph he will likely be 280-290. That is big enough if he has some quickness and proper coaching, and if he doesn't have quickness, 315 would not be enough.
- I fully agree that interior D line recruiting has been weak since Joe left, but even he had years where there was not an obvious interior guy. IMHO they are the hardest position to recruit.
- I don't know who we will get for DC or what schemes they will favor. But FWIW, I'd think an ideal recruiting class every year would include one guy built like a coke machine...maybe only 6' tall, but very wide, to play nose...and one guy who could develop into a classic 4 man front DT. We have not had many recruiting years like that, and I think we need them. The smaller, quicker interior D lineman fits a lot of situations, but not so much for short yardage, goal line or against a team that runs inside first.
- Finally, even if you get 2 or 3 kids who look like interior D line types every year, you will still have a lot of misses. SC is a great historic example of a school that tries to recruit at least 3 per year and is lucky if one of them fully pans out. Of course, that simply validates the idea that you need to try to get some every year. But it would be rare that one of our O line guys could fill that need.

Edit: as Biggs notes, the strength & conditioning aspect is critical. In looking at both lines this year, I'm not sure that we did very well at that in 2019. Improvement needed.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Bleed, we are often in agreement but not on this issue, at least not completely. My thoughts, for what they are worth:

- Our OL recruits for the most part would not belong on a D line. Different skill set and personality.
- The typical D interior lineman gains 20-30 pounds over his first 2 years. If he comes in at 260, that means that as a redshirt soph he will likely be 280-290. That is big enough if he has some quickness and proper coaching, and if he doesn't have quickness, 315 would not be enough.
- I fully agree that interior D line recruiting has been weak since Joe left, but even he had years where there was not an obvious interior guy. IMHO they are the hardest position to recruit.
- I don't know who we will get for DC or what schemes they will favor. But FWIW, I'd think an ideal recruiting class every year would include one guy built like a coke machine...maybe only 6' tall, but very wide, to play nose...and one guy who could develop into a classic 4 man front DT. We have not had many recruiting years like that, and I think we need them. The smaller, quicker interior D lineman fits a lot of situations, but not so much for short yardage, goal line or against a team that runs inside first.
- Finally, even if you get 2 or 3 kids who look like interior D line types every year, you will still have a lot of misses. SC is a great historic example of a school that tries to recruit at least 3 per year and is lucky if one of them fully pans out. Of course, that simply validates the idea that you need to try to get some every year. But it would be rare that one of our O line guys could fill that need.

Edit: as Biggs notes, the strength & conditioning aspect is critical. In looking at both lines this year, I'm not sure that we did very well at that in 2019. Improvement needed.

They need either speed on the DL to run the speed D or they need to start getting 6’4” or taller, 235-255 kids and grow them. Getting neither hurts.

The kid from IN can run. He could cause some issues for OLs if he gets coached up. There is no DL on the roster that can run with him.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Bleed, we are often in agreement but not on this issue, at least not completely. My thoughts, for what they are worth:

- Our OL recruits for the most part would not belong on a D line. Different skill set and personality.
- The typical D interior lineman gains 20-30 pounds over his first 2 years. If he comes in at 260, that means that as a redshirt soph he will likely be 280-290. That is big enough if he has some quickness and proper coaching, and if he doesn't have quickness, 315 would not be enough.
- I fully agree that interior D line recruiting has been weak since Joe left, but even he had years where there was not an obvious interior guy. IMHO they are the hardest position to recruit.
- I don't know who we will get for DC or what schemes they will favor. But FWIW, I'd think an ideal recruiting class every year would include one guy built like a coke machine...maybe only 6' tall, but very wide, to play nose...and one guy who could develop into a classic 4 man front DT. We have not had many recruiting years like that, and I think we need them. The smaller, quicker interior D lineman fits a lot of situations, but not so much for short yardage, goal line or against a team that runs inside first.
- Finally, even if you get 2 or 3 kids who look like interior D line types every year, you will still have a lot of misses. SC is a great historic example of a school that tries to recruit at least 3 per year and is lucky if one of them fully pans out. Of course, that simply validates the idea that you need to try to get some every year. But it would be rare that one of our O line guys could fill that need.

Edit: as Biggs notes, the strength & conditioning aspect is critical. In looking at both lines this year, I'm not sure that we did very well at that in 2019. Improvement needed.

Crazy and Biggs -
I didn't mean to imply that we just start converting OL to NT as a panacea, but in the right circumstances (a total dearth of talent/ size, such as we have right now) it might be a viable option given the right player. I believe Price did it right by getting the best athletes he could get and plug them in where he needed them. Mobley, Childs, Fields were all excellent RBs (yes I know... easier to convert), but my point is that it feels like we are waiting every year for Tony Siragusa to show up and play NT for us, which is NEVER going to happen.

Again, preaching to the choir, but the DL is the foundation of the D - the LB's and DBs cannot grow and become better when they are having to make up for the DL deficiencies. IMHO, fix the DL and a lot of the other issues on defense either go away or aren't as detrimental.

 

[Coug90]

Dont discount the DT from Indiana. He can play in the speed D. How big was Herc???

He will start next year and will be a solid player. Weight doesn’t mean jack shit when you are that strong. Aaron Donald is 280 lbs and dominates the NFL with strength speed and technique. He’s a great pickup and throwing 20 pounds of fat on that kid will do nothing for his success. He will manhandle 330 pound linemen if the coaches do their job.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Crazy and Biggs -
I didn't mean to imply that we just start converting OL to NT as a panacea, but in the right circumstances (a total dearth of talent/ size, such as we have right now) it might be a viable option given the right player. I believe Price did it right by getting the best athletes he could get and plug them in where he needed them. Mobley, Childs, Fields were all excellent RBs (yes I know... easier to convert), but my point is that it feels like we are waiting every year for Tony Siragusa to show up and play NT for us, which is NEVER going to happen.

Again, preaching to the choir, but the DL is the foundation of the D - the LB's and DBs cannot grow and become better when they are having to make up for the DL deficiencies. IMHO, fix the DL and a lot of the other issues on defense either go away or aren't as detrimental.

They have to fix the entire defense. The secondary is a Chinese fire drill. The LBs are not up to snuff. The DL cant get off blocks, doesnt run well enough to be a speed D and doesnt have the beef to be any other D.

I dont think you can ignore the JC or portal talent, but at some point they need to load up on HS kids and develop them.

 

[BiggsCoug]

He will start next year and will be a solid player. Weight doesn’t mean jack shit when you are that strong. Aaron Donald is 280 lbs and dominates the NFL with strength speed and technique. He’s a great pickup and throwing 20 pounds of fat on that kid will do nothing for his success. He will manhandle 330 pound linemen if the coaches do their job.

He has the strength and speed to have played this year. As long as he plays to those numbers he will cause issues for offenses. Blowing up the A gaps is a pretty quick way to blow up a run game.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Crazy and Biggs -
I didn't mean to imply that we just start converting OL to NT as a panacea, but in the right circumstances (a total dearth of talent/ size, such as we have right now) it might be a viable option given the right player. I believe Price did it right by getting the best athletes he could get and plug them in where he needed them. Mobley, Childs, Fields were all excellent RBs (yes I know... easier to convert), but my point is that it feels like we are waiting every year for Tony Siragusa to show up and play NT for us, which is NEVER going to happen.

Again, preaching to the choir, but the DL is the foundation of the D - the LB's and DBs cannot grow and become better when they are having to make up for the DL deficiencies. IMHO, fix the DL and a lot of the other issues on defense either go away or aren't as detrimental.

Bleed, I understand your point. You are right about Price, but I'm not sure that the situation is comparable to today. If for no other reason, because the kids that Price would move back and forth from O to D were usually originally recruited as tight ends, with the intention of seeing where they developed physically over the first year or two. Since we don't recruit that position, it pretty much eliminates that option for future D line conversions. I sort of wish that were not the case, but for that reason among others I don't see 95% of our O line recruits being able to play D line at the P5 level.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Bleed, I understand your point. You are right about Price, but I'm not sure that the situation is comparable to today. If for no other reason, because the kids that Price would move back and forth from O to D were usually originally recruited as tight ends, with the intention of seeing where they developed physically over the first year or two. Since we don't recruit that position, it pretty much eliminates that option for future D line conversions. I sort of wish that were not the case, but for that reason among others I don't see 95% of our O line recruits being able to play D line at the P5 level.

The kid from CO is this type of kid. Tall, room to grow...

 

[kougkurt]

The kid from CO is this type of kid. Tall, room to grow...

Who

 

[BiggsCoug]

Who

Lohrenz. DE, 6’4” 235.

 

[kougkurt]

Lohrenz. DE, 6’4” 235.

Thanks

 

[Dusty.Hooper]

IMHO, I think our success hinges on a new DC. This year we could not score enough - see UCLA. And the DL, McDougle played his best game in the bowl, but why can’t we recruit more weight up there? It was even a problem with Salave’a. On this year’s roster McDougal was largest at 291. The mutts have 8 guys as big or bigger than him : 291, 292, 293, 300, 313, 318, 321, & 347 ! How can we not get more beef with an opportunity to start immediately?

 

[BiggsCoug]

IMHO, I think our success hinges on a new DC. This year we could not score enough - see UCLA. And the DL, McDougle played his best game in the bowl, but why can’t we recruit more weight up there? It was even a problem with Salave’a. On this year’s roster McDougal was largest at 291. The mutts have 8 guys as big or bigger than him : 291, 292, 293, 300, 313, 318, 321, & 347 ! How can we not get more beef with an opportunity to start immediately?

They have to grow them. They went shorter and lighter to go faster. The prob is the kids they have cant run fast enough or get off blocks. So they get run over.

They need 2 types of kids on the DL. You either run 4.7 or faster or you are 6’4” or taller. But short and slow wont work.

 

[CougPatrol]

If we keep the same defensive coaches, it's a three-way race to the bottom, with UO, UW and Cal fighting for the top.

Yes.