ACC/ESPN deal, realignment. etc.

[Loyal Coug1]

How about a thread about FB and Athletics in general? And the Always-Sensitive Loyal One will attempt to avoid a litany of I told you so's - except for I TOLD YOU SO.

ACC/ESPN media deal assures that the current ACC is going nowhere. And if a couple of teams bolt, Memphis, Tulane and other AAC schools will be in line, resumes in hand.

OK, now what? the Pac is waiting on their media deal, and now apparently on the dual lawsuits, before attempting to entice another program to join as a full member. Texas State as we all know. Great. So, to beat a tired drum, where the F did our massive war chest go? And why does the poaching provision ($) matter so much? Did the Pac really bank on it being thrown out? WTF kind of strategy is that? More importantly, with the ACC deal our secret Memphis/Tulane scenario is now bye-bye, lawsuit or not.

Another thing, and this is a well-discussed topic elsewhere. The numbers on the magical media deal. If the Pac is worth $10M now (just a number, not a prediction), what do we want from a new member? Well they have to be worth at least $10M or it dilutes everyone else's share. OK, so for our coveted new member to enhance our media deal? Well, they have to be worth $18M to increase everyone else's share by a million. Get that math? Just something to ponder.......

Speaking of media deals, and just curiosity, not opinion. Wonder what we have or will have lined up for 2025. Heavy dose of the CW? Fine by me.

Finally, I'm thinking about maybe road tripping to the CSU game. Although this little bird in my head is emitting screeching warnings. Actually more like a flicker (woodpecker for you city folk) trying to bore a hole in my head. Why would that be?

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

How about a thread about FB and Athletics in general? And the Always-Sensitive Loyal One will attempt to avoid a litany of I told you so's - except for I TOLD YOU SO.

ACC/ESPN media deal assures that the current ACC is going nowhere. And if a couple of teams bolt, Memphis, Tulane and other AAC schools will be in line, resumes in hand.

OK, now what? the Pac is waiting on their media deal, and now apparently on the dual lawsuits, before attempting to entice another program to join as a full member. Texas State as we all know. Great. So, to beat a tired drum, where the F did our massive war chest go? And why does the poaching provision ($) matter so much? Did the Pac really bank on it being thrown out? WTF kind of strategy is that? More importantly, with the ACC deal our secret Memphis/Tulane scenario is now bye-bye, lawsuit or not.

Another thing, and this is a well-discussed topic elsewhere. The numbers on the magical media deal. If the Pac is worth $10M now (just a number, not a prediction), what do we want from a new member? Well they have to be worth at least $10M or it dilutes everyone else's share. OK, so for our coveted new member to enhance our media deal? Well, they have to be worth $18M to increase everyone else's share by a million. Get that math? Just something to ponder.......

Speaking of media deals, and just curiosity, not opinion. Wonder what we have or will have lined up for 2025. Heavy dose of the CW? Fine by me.

Finally, I'm thinking about maybe road tripping to the CSU game. Although this little bird in my head is emitting screeching warnings. Actually more like a flicker (woodpecker for you city folk) trying to bore a hole in my head. Why would that be?

I think the ACC could still implode. The ESPN announcement was (I believe this is correct) just THEIR option to extend. The 2036 date was already part of their original terrible deal signed while John Skipper was still running the network. He's been gone for years now.

If FSU or Clemson is successful is getting out, then that media deal might be dead. No? I hope they are successful. At least I think I hope...at this day and time. That's all I have to say about that

 

[95coug]

How about a thread about FB and Athletics in general? And the Always-Sensitive Loyal One will attempt to avoid a litany of I told you so's - except for I TOLD YOU SO.

ACC/ESPN media deal assures that the current ACC is going nowhere. And if a couple of teams bolt, Memphis, Tulane and other AAC schools will be in line, resumes in hand.

OK, now what? the Pac is waiting on their media deal, and now apparently on the dual lawsuits, before attempting to entice another program to join as a full member. Texas State as we all know. Great. So, to beat a tired drum, where the F did our massive war chest go? And why does the poaching provision ($) matter so much? Did the Pac really bank on it being thrown out? WTF kind of strategy is that? More importantly, with the ACC deal our secret Memphis/Tulane scenario is now bye-bye, lawsuit or not.

Another thing, and this is a well-discussed topic elsewhere. The numbers on the magical media deal. If the Pac is worth $10M now (just a number, not a prediction), what do we want from a new member? Well they have to be worth at least $10M or it dilutes everyone else's share. OK, so for our coveted new member to enhance our media deal? Well, they have to be worth $18M to increase everyone else's share by a million. Get that math? Just something to ponder.......

Speaking of media deals, and just curiosity, not opinion. Wonder what we have or will have lined up for 2025. Heavy dose of the CW? Fine by me.

Finally, I'm thinking about maybe road tripping to the CSU game. Although this little bird in my head is emitting screeching warnings. Actually more like a flicker (woodpecker for you city folk) trying to bore a hole in my head. Why would that be?

I think at best, this pushes the fight back a year. FSU and Clemson maybe pause their cases to see what happens and how much this new arrangement brings them. I think it’s pretty clear that they’ll still be way behind the Big Ten and SEC though, so they’ll continue to look for an escape. The only variable is how hard and how fast they want to get out.

In the end, I don’t care. WSU is already screwed, no matter how the ACC fiasco shakes out.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I think at best, this pushes the fight back a year. FSU and Clemson maybe pause their cases to see what happens and how much this new arrangement brings them. I think it’s pretty clear that they’ll still be way behind the Big Ten and SEC though, so they’ll continue to look for an escape. The only variable is how hard and how fast they want to get out.

In the end, I don’t care. WSU is already screwed, no matter how the ACC fiasco shakes out.

Yes we are. Couple of clips from our favorite misinformation sources (Wilner and Canzano) below. Calzano's commentary is a bit chilling, but nothing the intelligent ones among us (wait that would be ME) don't already know. The Pac's media value isn't shit. And Wilner's comment at the end - $9=10M to each school? Does that confirm that Gonzaga gets a full share of our FB media revenues?

Calzano:
"Many have presumed that the Pac-12 needs to add another school in order to finalize a media deal for the conference.

According to John Canzano, though, that might not be necessary. And it might not matter at all who the eighth football-sponsoring school is.

Pac-12 athletic directors met this week for a two-day summit and afterward one AD told Canzano, “The feedback we’re getting from prospective media partners is that there isn’t one expansion addition that clearly stands out above the others.”

That, Canzano writes, “meshes with what my media-world industry sources tell me, and it leads me to believe the Pac-12 could secure a media deal before knowing the last member.”

Per Jon Wilner of the Mercury News, the Pac-12 is currently believed to be eyeing a media deal that will provide an estimated $9-$10 million annually to each school in the conference."

How Pac-12 could still lure AAC schools to rebuilt conference | Mailbag

Four months after three American schools declined a Pac-12 invite, they are not off the table but would only join the Pac-12 if it made sense financially.

www.union-bulletin.com

The Pac-12 needs another school. Does it matter who?

Per reports, no realistic prospective addition to the Pac-12 will affect the conference's media rights deal.

www.deseret.com

 

[95coug]

Yes we are. Couple of clips from our favorite misinformation sources (Wilner and Canzano) below. Calzano's commentary is a bit chilling, but nothing the intelligent ones among us (wait that would be ME) don't already know. The Pac's media value isn't shit. And Wilner's comment at the end - $9=10M to each school? Does that confirm that Gonzaga gets a full share of our FB media revenues?

Calzano:
"Many have presumed that the Pac-12 needs to add another school in order to finalize a media deal for the conference.

According to John Canzano, though, that might not be necessary. And it might not matter at all who the eighth football-sponsoring school is.

Pac-12 athletic directors met this week for a two-day summit and afterward one AD told Canzano, “The feedback we’re getting from prospective media partners is that there isn’t one expansion addition that clearly stands out above the others.”

That, Canzano writes, “meshes with what my media-world industry sources tell me, and it leads me to believe the Pac-12 could secure a media deal before knowing the last member.”

Per Jon Wilner of the Mercury News, the Pac-12 is currently believed to be eyeing a media deal that will provide an estimated $9-$10 million annually to each school in the conference."

How Pac-12 could still lure AAC schools to rebuilt conference | Mailbag

Four months after three American schools declined a Pac-12 invite, they are not off the table but would only join the Pac-12 if it made sense financially.

www.union-bulletin.com

The Pac-12 needs another school. Does it matter who?

Per reports, no realistic prospective addition to the Pac-12 will affect the conference's media rights deal.

www.deseret.com

I think this echoes what many of us have been saying for months - there’s nobody out there who brings media value immediately. In fact, everyone just brings another mouth to feed, and diminishes the payout to the existing schools.

 

[Stretch 74]

Yes we are. Couple of clips from our favorite misinformation sources (Wilner and Canzano) below. Calzano's commentary is a bit chilling, but nothing the intelligent ones among us (wait that would be ME) don't already know. The Pac's media value isn't shit. And Wilner's comment at the end - $9=10M to each school? Does that confirm that Gonzaga gets a full share of our FB media revenues?

Calzano:
"Many have presumed that the Pac-12 needs to add another school in order to finalize a media deal for the conference.

According to John Canzano, though, that might not be necessary. And it might not matter at all who the eighth football-sponsoring school is.

Pac-12 athletic directors met this week for a two-day summit and afterward one AD told Canzano, “The feedback we’re getting from prospective media partners is that there isn’t one expansion addition that clearly stands out above the others.”

That, Canzano writes, “meshes with what my media-world industry sources tell me, and it leads me to believe the Pac-12 could secure a media deal before knowing the last member.”

Per Jon Wilner of the Mercury News, the Pac-12 is currently believed to be eyeing a media deal that will provide an estimated $9-$10 million annually to each school in the conference."

How Pac-12 could still lure AAC schools to rebuilt conference | Mailbag

Four months after three American schools declined a Pac-12 invite, they are not off the table but would only join the Pac-12 if it made sense financially.

www.union-bulletin.com

The Pac-12 needs another school. Does it matter who?

Per reports, no realistic prospective addition to the Pac-12 will affect the conference's media rights deal.

www.deseret.com

Just curious-I mean asking for a friend......Do you even dislocate a shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back? Or maybe you throw your back out trying to bend over sharply to try tooting your own horn?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Just curious-I mean asking for a friend......Do you even dislocate a shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back? Or maybe you throw your back out trying to bend over sharply to try tooting your own horn?

Figured you would catch that one! You intelligent people know that I just do that shit to be funny. After all, the Mighty One strives to entertain the masses.

Is your friend a decent-looking and fit mature woman? If so, tell her that I am still quite supple........and if her name is Gloria I am ready to book my flight to Colorado Springs. Where I was born. Maybe with her help I can be born again?

 

[Stretch 74]

Figured you would catch that one! You intelligent people know that I just do that shit to be funny. After all, the Mighty One strives to entertain the masses.

Is your friend a decent-looking and fit mature woman? If so, tell her that I am still quite supple........and if her name is Gloria I am ready to book my flight to Colorado Springs. Where I was born. Maybe with her help I can be born again?

As do I.

Oh, yes, quite nice, except that she does have standards so that eliminates you. Well, actually her standards are pretty darn low, but that STILL eliminates you!!!

 

[ttowncoug]

Big picture ESPN has only Cal and Furd on the west coast. I think the adds of sdsu wsu OSU and unlv are very additive to a future ACC west.

 

[mikalalas]

Actually IF IF PAC 12 got all of Memphis, Tulane, USF, collectively, all added to PAC 12, I think that would push the media deal up to 14,15,16 mil per team per year.

Maybe Memphis by itself would push media deal up to 12.5, 13.5, 14 mil per team, per year.

But that's a long shot unless all the lawsuits won, etc.

PAC 12 definitely made a BIG mistake, only offering 2.5 mil to each of Tulane, Memphis, USF, UTSA, etc.

If they would have offered 10 to 13 to 16 to 19 mil each to those 4 teams, and offered that if any of the 4 of them makes CFP, they get to keep 1/3 to 2/5 of that years CFP money to the conference, and had let those teams counter offer, negotiate, and had been seriously pursuing them, then those 4 teams would have likely joined PAC 12, and the media deal would have likely been about 14,15,16 17 mil per team per year, if PAC had also gotten Gonzaga, and if PAC had striked while the Iron was hot.

But would, could, should.

Now all of the various sources like Wilner, Canzano, Dodd, Jim Williams, Daschle, The Couch GM show, The Big Mountain Show, and The Monty show, etc, are all saying that UNLV, Texas State might probably join PAC 12, and that the PAC 12 will probably announce that in mid March, and probably announce a media Deal that probably worth about 11 mil per team, per year, that probably composed of streaming by Apple, Amazon, and CW, TNT, do TV broadcast, and that PAC 12 Enterprises do left over games, NFL, NBA broadcast, etc, all combined together for about, around 11.5 mil per team per year.

We'll see if that happens, but wouldn't surprise me if that did happen.

And they are saying that PAC 12 might take Nevada or New Mexico with UNLV.

If PAC 12 does that, then they should have merged, as the reason for not merging was not having bottom feeders like Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, etc.

And they are saying that there have been talks, negotiations about PAC 12, MWC, maybe might merging.

Like oh yeah, have the PAC 12, MWC, merge, and have 16 to 18 members, and have bottom feeders like Hawai, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, UTEP, etc.

They say the reason why PAC 12, MWC may do that is both the MWC, PAC 12 have both been told, that if they don't merge, that the MWC is only worth about 5,6,7,8 mil per team per year, and that the PAC 12 currently is only worth about 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year, and that if the PAC 12, MWC merge under the PAC Brand with Gloria as commissioner, that the 16 to 18 team merger would be worth about, around 14,15,16,17,18,19 mil per team, per year.

That's what the media deal media companies, experts told them.

But the experts don't think the PAC 12, MWC will do that because of the Lawsuits, bad blood, bitterness between the 2 conferences now.

So it looks like UNLV, Texas St, are going to be the 8th, 9th colleges, and that it will be the PAC 10 with the 9 football colleges, and Gonzaga, and that leaving 1 spot open for a Uconn, St Mary, Villanova, Memphis, Tulane, USF, Stanford, Cal, SMU, ACC leftovers, Vandy, etc.

That's IF IF all those sources are right.

We'll see.

 

[UberCougars]

Teams can now share 22% of their athletic budget with athletes directly subject to a cap of $20.5 million per team for the 25-26 season.

WSU was abandoned at the altar as the procession music was playing with the wedding party and guests chasing after the bride to her next wedding.

She might find a twinge of guilt, see the error of her ways and extend a last minute invitation to WSU but I’m just not seeing it.

 

[Dave_86]

There's been an insane amount of stuff that has come out the last few days regarding the PAC-12, expansion, and the media deal. Some believable, some not. And some with a crazy bias that favors the Mountain West Conference.

Here's two of the best links I came across that summarizes the "high points" of what seems to be believable:

Pac-12 athletic directors hold summit at HQ to discuss conference's future

Does it matter who the eighth football playing member that joins the Pac-12 is?

Note that John Canzano's fingerprints are all over what's reported in the two links. But he's the only one who appears to be doing any kind of investigative reporting on this whole PAC-12 expansion/media deal thing.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

There's been an insane amount of stuff that has come out the last few days regarding the PAC-12, expansion, and the media deal. Some believable, some not. And some with a crazy bias that favors the Mountain West Conference.

Here's two of the best links I came across that summarizes the "high points" of what seems to be believable:

Pac-12 athletic directors hold summit at HQ to discuss conference's future

Does it matter who the eighth football playing member that joins the Pac-12 is?

Note that John Canzano's fingerprints are all over what's reported in the two links. But he's the only one who appears to be doing any kind of investigative reporting on this whole PAC-12 expansion/media deal thing.

I already linked the second article in my post #4. Keep up with the Pony Express-like flow of info from the Loyal One please. The first link has a couple of new tidbits. None good IMHO.

"rounding out the Pac-12’s football conference “is a high-priority item.” " Ya think?

"But the Pac-12, to this point, has “acted methodically and calculated with membership decisions.” " Oh, so methodically. Like freaking out and offering USU in a panic? And striking out on 3 pitches with the AAC schools? But hey, Teresa, as she said on the air during the TT game, was "swinging for the fences". And now having to go to the Sun Belt for prospective members?