Alex Grinch is the new DC per FootballScoup
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Bio on MUTigers Page:
In his third year as a full-time member of the Mizzou coaching staff
is Assistant Coach Alex Grinch, who was hired in January of 2012 as
safeties coach. Grinch returned to Mizzou after serving as part of Gary
Pinkel's staff from 2002-04 in a graduate assistant role, and he came to
the Tiger staff after a very successful run with other programs.
The 2013 season saw improved play from the Tiger safeties, which
helped Mizzou's defense be one of the most disruptive units in the
country. Grinch's safeties combined for five interceptions, including
three from junior Braylon Webb and one each from senior Matt White and
sophomore Ian Simon.
Webb had a career year, as he ranked second on the team with 89
tackles, while ranking second with seven pass break ups. White also had a
career-high 61 tackles (ranking sixth on the team) for the cause.
Grinch's first year at Mizzou saw him get solid play from his
starting safeties Kenronte Walker and Braylon Webb. Walker finished the
2012 season with 71 tackles (5th-most on the team) and won the
first-ever SEC Defensive Player of the Week honors for a Tiger, when he
claimed the award for a big performance in a win over Arizona State in
week three. Webb ranked 6th on the squad with a career-best 64 tackles.
Prior to joining on at MU, Grinch spent three seasons coaching the
Wyoming secondary for former Mizzou assistant Dave Christensen. Three of
his Cowboy defensive backs earned postseason honors in 2011, as Wyoming
reached a bowl game for the second time in three seasons. Senior free
safety Tashaun Gipson and junior strong safety Luke Ruff both earned
Second Team All-Mountain West honors in 2011. True freshman cornerback
Blair Burns was named First Team Freshman All-American by CBSSports.com
and Honorable Mention Freshman All-American by CollegeFootballNews.com.
Burns was also an Honorable Mention All-Mountain West honoree.
Wyoming concluded the 2011 regular season ranked No. 34 in the nation
in pass defense, allowing only 202.2 yards passing per game. The
Cowboys ranked No. 1 in the Mountain West and tied for No. 5 in the NCAA
in most turnovers gained (31 total). UW's defense also led the MW and
ranked No. 4 nationally in most fumbles recovered (18) and was No. 3 in
the conference and No. 32 in the nation in most passes intercepted (13
total). Individually, Burns tied for No. 2 in the Mountain West and No.
23 in the nation in interceptions (4). Gipson tied for No. 4 in the
conference and No. 65 in the NCAA in interceptions (3), and Ruff ranked
No. 5 in the conference and tie for No. 77 in the nation in tackles (8.1
per game).
In 2011, Wyoming ranked among the Top Five most-improved teams in the
nation, and its eight wins were the most by the Cowboys since 1998. UW
finished in sole possession of third place in the Mountain West behind
only Top 25 teams TCU and Boise State. Wyoming's eight wins included key
conference road victories over Air Force and San Diego State. The only
two conference losses for the Cowboys came at the hands of the Horned
Frogs and the Broncos.
In Grinch's first two seasons, he coached former Cowboy free safety
Chris Prosinski, who was drafted in the fourth round of the 2011 NFL
Draft by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Prosinski was the 121st overall pick
in the draft and also earned Second Team All-Mountain West honors his
senior season of 2010. For the second consecutive season, Prosinski
recorded over 100 tackles and led Wyoming in tackles. He was credited
with 108 tackles in his senior season, and concluded his career ranked
No. 4 in career tackles at UW with 373.
Grinch joined the Cowboy coaching staff in December of 2008 from the
University of New Hampshire. He will be entering his 10th season as a
college coach in 2012. In his previous nine seasons coaching at the
college level, he helped guide seven of those teams to postseason play,
including Wyoming's victory in the 2009 New Mexico Bowl.
Only one starter returned to the Wyoming secondary in 2011, senior
cornerback Tashaun Gipson, who earned Honorable Mention All-Conference
honors in 2010. Gipson ranked No. 2 in the conference and No. 26 in the
nation in passes defended in 2010, averaging 1.00 per game. He also
ranked No. 4 in the MW and No. 87 in the NCAA in interceptions, with
three picks his junior season.
In 2010, all four starters returned to the Cowboy secondary. That
group included 2009 Second Team All-Mountain West free safety Prosinski,
Gipson and his older brother Marcell at cornerback and 2009 Freshman
All-American Shamiel Gary at strong safety. Prosinski ranked 10th in the
NCAA in tackles in 2009, averaging 10.8 per game. His 140 total tackles
in `09 ranked as the fourth best single-season total in school history.
Gary earned First Team Freshman All-America honors from the Football
Writers Association of America (FWAA) in `09. He became the first
Wyoming Cowboy to earn that honor since the FWAA established the team in
2001. Gary was one of only 28 freshman in the nation to receive the
honor. Of those 28 freshman honored, he was one of only 14 true freshmen
named to the team.
Grinch coached at New Hampshire for four seasons from 2005 through
2008. His first two seasons at New Hampshire, he coached the cornerbacks
before being promoted to secondary coach and recruiting coordinator for
the 2007 and 2008 seasons. In Grinch's final season at New Hampshire,
the Wildcats concluded the season ranked No. 7 in the nation in the
final Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) Coaches' Poll and were
ranked No. 8 in the final Sports Network Rankings. UNH advanced to the
quarterfinals of the 2008 FCS Playoffs, defeating Southern Illinois,
29-20, on the road in the first round before losing at Northern Iowa,
34-36, in the quarters.
During Grinch's four seasons at New Hampshire, the Wildcats posted
records of 11-2 in 2005, 9-4 in 2006, 7-5 in 2007 and 10-2 in 2008. UNH
advanced to the FCS Quarterfinals in 2005, 2006 and 2008. The Wildcats
also made it to the First Round of the Playoffs in 2007. The 2005 squad
was the No. 1 seed entering the FCS Playoffs after capturing the
Atlantic 10 Conference Co-Championship. In 2006, UNH defeated
Northwestern of the Big Ten in the season opener. The following season,
New Hampshire defeated another Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team in
Marshall.
Grinch coached two Second Team All-CAA defensive backs in 2008.
Senior John Clements was named Second Team at safety and sophomore Dino
Vasso earned Second Team honors at cornerback. In 2007, Grinch coached
First Team All-Conference senior safety Jeff Pammer and Second Team
All-Conference junior cornerback Clements. The 2006 season saw Clements
earn Third Team All-Conference honors as a corner. His first season at
New Hampshire, Grinch tutored Second Team All-Conference honoree Corey
Graham, a cornerback, who was drafted in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL
Draft by the Chicago Bears. Graham was selected to play in the 2012 NFL
Pro Bowl as a special teams ace. As recruiting coordinator his final
two seasons at New Hampshire, Grinch oversaw all of the Wildcats'
recruiting efforts.
Prior to his four seasons as an assistant coach at UNH, Grinch was
the defensive graduate assistant coach at Missouri for the 2003 and 2004
campaigns, and was an administrative graduate assistant at Mizzou for
the 2002 season. The Tiger defense ranked No. 2 in the Big XII
Conference in total defense in 2004 and was No. 1 in pass defense. The
2003 season saw Mizzou post an 8-5 record and advance to the
Independence Bowl.
Grinch enjoyed an outstanding college playing career at Mount Union
College in Alliance, Ohio. He was a member of three NCAA Division III
National Championship teams at Mount Union in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Over
his four-year career, Grinch's Mount Union teams posted a 54-1 record
and won four consecutive Ohio Athletic Conference Championships.
His senior season of 2001, he was named a Third Team All-America
safety by D3football.com. He also earned National Defensive Player of
the Week honors twice during his career from Don Hansen's National
Football Gazette. Not only did he receive All-America honors on the
field, but Grinch was a First Team Academic All-Conference selection his
senior season.
He completed his bachelor's degree in sports management with a focus
in marketing and a minor in business administration from Mount Union in
May 2002, and earned a master's degree in educational leadership and
policy analysis from Mizzou in December 2004.
In his third year as a full-time member of the Mizzou coaching staff
is Assistant Coach Alex Grinch, who was hired in January of 2012 as
safeties coach. Grinch returned to Mizzou after serving as part of Gary
Pinkel's staff from 2002-04 in a graduate assistant role, and he came to
the Tiger staff after a very successful run with other programs.
The 2013 season saw improved play from the Tiger safeties, which
helped Mizzou's defense be one of the most disruptive units in the
country. Grinch's safeties combined for five interceptions, including
three from junior Braylon Webb and one each from senior Matt White and
sophomore Ian Simon.
Webb had a career year, as he ranked second on the team with 89
tackles, while ranking second with seven pass break ups. White also had a
career-high 61 tackles (ranking sixth on the team) for the cause.
Grinch's first year at Mizzou saw him get solid play from his
starting safeties Kenronte Walker and Braylon Webb. Walker finished the
2012 season with 71 tackles (5th-most on the team) and won the
first-ever SEC Defensive Player of the Week honors for a Tiger, when he
claimed the award for a big performance in a win over Arizona State in
week three. Webb ranked 6th on the squad with a career-best 64 tackles.
Prior to joining on at MU, Grinch spent three seasons coaching the
Wyoming secondary for former Mizzou assistant Dave Christensen. Three of
his Cowboy defensive backs earned postseason honors in 2011, as Wyoming
reached a bowl game for the second time in three seasons. Senior free
safety Tashaun Gipson and junior strong safety Luke Ruff both earned
Second Team All-Mountain West honors in 2011. True freshman cornerback
Blair Burns was named First Team Freshman All-American by CBSSports.com
and Honorable Mention Freshman All-American by CollegeFootballNews.com.
Burns was also an Honorable Mention All-Mountain West honoree.
Wyoming concluded the 2011 regular season ranked No. 34 in the nation
in pass defense, allowing only 202.2 yards passing per game. The
Cowboys ranked No. 1 in the Mountain West and tied for No. 5 in the NCAA
in most turnovers gained (31 total). UW's defense also led the MW and
ranked No. 4 nationally in most fumbles recovered (18) and was No. 3 in
the conference and No. 32 in the nation in most passes intercepted (13
total). Individually, Burns tied for No. 2 in the Mountain West and No.
23 in the nation in interceptions (4). Gipson tied for No. 4 in the
conference and No. 65 in the NCAA in interceptions (3), and Ruff ranked
No. 5 in the conference and tie for No. 77 in the nation in tackles (8.1
per game).
In 2011, Wyoming ranked among the Top Five most-improved teams in the
nation, and its eight wins were the most by the Cowboys since 1998. UW
finished in sole possession of third place in the Mountain West behind
only Top 25 teams TCU and Boise State. Wyoming's eight wins included key
conference road victories over Air Force and San Diego State. The only
two conference losses for the Cowboys came at the hands of the Horned
Frogs and the Broncos.
In Grinch's first two seasons, he coached former Cowboy free safety
Chris Prosinski, who was drafted in the fourth round of the 2011 NFL
Draft by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Prosinski was the 121st overall pick
in the draft and also earned Second Team All-Mountain West honors his
senior season of 2010. For the second consecutive season, Prosinski
recorded over 100 tackles and led Wyoming in tackles. He was credited
with 108 tackles in his senior season, and concluded his career ranked
No. 4 in career tackles at UW with 373.
Grinch joined the Cowboy coaching staff in December of 2008 from the
University of New Hampshire. He will be entering his 10th season as a
college coach in 2012. In his previous nine seasons coaching at the
college level, he helped guide seven of those teams to postseason play,
including Wyoming's victory in the 2009 New Mexico Bowl.
Only one starter returned to the Wyoming secondary in 2011, senior
cornerback Tashaun Gipson, who earned Honorable Mention All-Conference
honors in 2010. Gipson ranked No. 2 in the conference and No. 26 in the
nation in passes defended in 2010, averaging 1.00 per game. He also
ranked No. 4 in the MW and No. 87 in the NCAA in interceptions, with
three picks his junior season.
In 2010, all four starters returned to the Cowboy secondary. That
group included 2009 Second Team All-Mountain West free safety Prosinski,
Gipson and his older brother Marcell at cornerback and 2009 Freshman
All-American Shamiel Gary at strong safety. Prosinski ranked 10th in the
NCAA in tackles in 2009, averaging 10.8 per game. His 140 total tackles
in `09 ranked as the fourth best single-season total in school history.
Gary earned First Team Freshman All-America honors from the Football
Writers Association of America (FWAA) in `09. He became the first
Wyoming Cowboy to earn that honor since the FWAA established the team in
2001. Gary was one of only 28 freshman in the nation to receive the
honor. Of those 28 freshman honored, he was one of only 14 true freshmen
named to the team.
Grinch coached at New Hampshire for four seasons from 2005 through
2008. His first two seasons at New Hampshire, he coached the cornerbacks
before being promoted to secondary coach and recruiting coordinator for
the 2007 and 2008 seasons. In Grinch's final season at New Hampshire,
the Wildcats concluded the season ranked No. 7 in the nation in the
final Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) Coaches' Poll and were
ranked No. 8 in the final Sports Network Rankings. UNH advanced to the
quarterfinals of the 2008 FCS Playoffs, defeating Southern Illinois,
29-20, on the road in the first round before losing at Northern Iowa,
34-36, in the quarters.
During Grinch's four seasons at New Hampshire, the Wildcats posted
records of 11-2 in 2005, 9-4 in 2006, 7-5 in 2007 and 10-2 in 2008. UNH
advanced to the FCS Quarterfinals in 2005, 2006 and 2008. The Wildcats
also made it to the First Round of the Playoffs in 2007. The 2005 squad
was the No. 1 seed entering the FCS Playoffs after capturing the
Atlantic 10 Conference Co-Championship. In 2006, UNH defeated
Northwestern of the Big Ten in the season opener. The following season,
New Hampshire defeated another Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team in
Marshall.
Grinch coached two Second Team All-CAA defensive backs in 2008.
Senior John Clements was named Second Team at safety and sophomore Dino
Vasso earned Second Team honors at cornerback. In 2007, Grinch coached
First Team All-Conference senior safety Jeff Pammer and Second Team
All-Conference junior cornerback Clements. The 2006 season saw Clements
earn Third Team All-Conference honors as a corner. His first season at
New Hampshire, Grinch tutored Second Team All-Conference honoree Corey
Graham, a cornerback, who was drafted in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL
Draft by the Chicago Bears. Graham was selected to play in the 2012 NFL
Pro Bowl as a special teams ace. As recruiting coordinator his final
two seasons at New Hampshire, Grinch oversaw all of the Wildcats'
recruiting efforts.
Prior to his four seasons as an assistant coach at UNH, Grinch was
the defensive graduate assistant coach at Missouri for the 2003 and 2004
campaigns, and was an administrative graduate assistant at Mizzou for
the 2002 season. The Tiger defense ranked No. 2 in the Big XII
Conference in total defense in 2004 and was No. 1 in pass defense. The
2003 season saw Mizzou post an 8-5 record and advance to the
Independence Bowl.
Grinch enjoyed an outstanding college playing career at Mount Union
College in Alliance, Ohio. He was a member of three NCAA Division III
National Championship teams at Mount Union in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Over
his four-year career, Grinch's Mount Union teams posted a 54-1 record
and won four consecutive Ohio Athletic Conference Championships.
His senior season of 2001, he was named a Third Team All-America
safety by D3football.com. He also earned National Defensive Player of
the Week honors twice during his career from Don Hansen's National
Football Gazette. Not only did he receive All-America honors on the
field, but Grinch was a First Team Academic All-Conference selection his
senior season.
He completed his bachelor's degree in sports management with a focus
in marketing and a minor in business administration from Mount Union in
May 2002, and earned a master's degree in educational leadership and
policy analysis from Mizzou in December 2004.
It certainly fits the "young up and comer mold."
I'll be curious how much money we are paying (my guess, low), which is going to indicate how much additional dollars Floyd is allowing to flow into the program.
My sense is the delay all along was a ploy for Leach to get more money so he could pay a Pendergast $600 to $700K.
I'll be curious how much money we are paying (my guess, low), which is going to indicate how much additional dollars Floyd is allowing to flow into the program.
My sense is the delay all along was a ploy for Leach to get more money so he could pay a Pendergast $600 to $700K.
If we couldn't land Diaz or another established big name, I kind of like this route.
Young, tons of experience for his age, ties to the South, established success at several programs at FCS, Mid-Major and SEC levels. If this guy is a legit up and comer this seems like a strong move for him, he sees the opportunity to move up the ranks and bring a strong pass defense and aggressive style.
Young, tons of experience for his age, ties to the South, established success at several programs at FCS, Mid-Major and SEC levels. If this guy is a legit up and comer this seems like a strong move for him, he sees the opportunity to move up the ranks and bring a strong pass defense and aggressive style.
Clancy would have been a big hire, but he also would have likely bolted at the next offer he received. At least this kid might tough it out for a few years.
Well, so much for name recognition, splash, or anything else. Underwhelming at best. My feelings are similar to when Breske was named. Who? Why?
Well, I will say my feelings can change, and he could turn out well, but he has zero coordinator experience, and I am not looking forward to yet another learning on the job coordinator. I think this feels like a last minute "well we gotta get someone" sort of hire. What was the holdup in the hire then? Mizzou has been done for a while.
I do like that he is a secondary specialist, but that is about it for me.
Well, I will say my feelings can change, and he could turn out well, but he has zero coordinator experience, and I am not looking forward to yet another learning on the job coordinator. I think this feels like a last minute "well we gotta get someone" sort of hire. What was the holdup in the hire then? Mizzou has been done for a while.
I do like that he is a secondary specialist, but that is about it for me.
MU's stats:
http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/teamcume.html
Stat rankings (you'll have to look them up):
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11
http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/teamcume.html
Stat rankings (you'll have to look them up):
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11
You might be interested to know that when Mizzou hired him there were a lot of claims that he not only was an underwhelming hire, he was also hired only because he is Coach Pinkel's nephew. It was claimed that we needed someone to recruit the southeast since we had just joined the SEC. However, now most Mizzou fans hate to see him leave because not only has he been an effective coach he has also had some impressive success in the southeast especially Georgia and Florida including a 4-star receiver last year from one of the top programs in Georgia that GA, South Carolina, and others offered. He had several more and is inline to get more this year. He has quickly earned a great reputation with the HS coaches in the area.
I'm very happy that he has the opportunity though he will be missed.
Stats in 2014 for Grinch's secondary at Mizzou:
Mizzou ranked 39th in passing yards allowed (WSU ranked 124th)
ranked 54th in passes intercepted (WSU ranked tied for 121st)
36th in 3rd down conversion percentage against (WSU 56th)
39th in pass efficiency defense (WSU 122nd)
33rd in turnovers gained (WSU was dead freaking last T124th)
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Mizzou ranked 39th in passing yards allowed (WSU ranked 124th)
ranked 54th in passes intercepted (WSU ranked tied for 121st)
36th in 3rd down conversion percentage against (WSU 56th)
39th in pass efficiency defense (WSU 122nd)
33rd in turnovers gained (WSU was dead freaking last T124th)
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He was also one of Mizzou's top recruiters, much like Yost was.
I like this hire MUCH better than Breske, no offense to the man. This guy has TONS of experience, has been in a Power 5 conference team for a while, knows the pressures, understands expectations, been in the meetings. Only thing has been, he isn't the one making the calls. He's watched program after program structure their practices, he's seen what works, what doesn't. I'm good with this one. A step up from Breske, IMHO.
If not for the Mizzou experience, I'd probably say it was equal to Breske, a little underwhelming but this is good.
To be fair, the link below is the sortable Statistics by Team from Yahoo Sports. Look to your delight
Yahoo Sports Stats by Team
I like this hire MUCH better than Breske, no offense to the man. This guy has TONS of experience, has been in a Power 5 conference team for a while, knows the pressures, understands expectations, been in the meetings. Only thing has been, he isn't the one making the calls. He's watched program after program structure their practices, he's seen what works, what doesn't. I'm good with this one. A step up from Breske, IMHO.
If not for the Mizzou experience, I'd probably say it was equal to Breske, a little underwhelming but this is good.
To be fair, the link below is the sortable Statistics by Team from Yahoo Sports. Look to your delight
Yahoo Sports Stats by Team
A double that scored multiple runs
First, thank you to Forever a Tiger for the input. Please always feel welcome to share. You know a lot more about this guy than we do, and your insight is appreciated.
Second, The Grinch is what I think of as an extra bases hire. Not a home run, but certainly not a single. At least a Double, and more likely a double that scored multiple runs.
Guys who are truly the best in their profession (any profession...doesn't matter which) ALWAYS emerge at about the same career point that this guy is at. If you can't tell after a guy has been in his profession for 10 years or so whether he has great things ahead of him, then either you don't have the information about him or you don't know how to evaluate such things. We have the information because Yost actually worked with the guy. The twitterverse and Leach all seem to see great things coming. That is good enough for me in terms of his capability.
The hire is not a home run because of lack of experience at the DC position. He will have a steep learning curve for the first year or two. That is normal after a major jump in responsibility, and again it doesn't matter which profession. That does not mean, however, that he won't be an improvement even while he is learning, and that is the thing on which we should be focusing.
We needed (some would say desperately needed) secondary coaching improvement. We needed a smart guy with energy. And there is no team that doesn't need another good recruiter.
Mizzou had a darned good defense for the past couple of years. There will be a few DC things that The Grinch has not had to do before, and as noted above, there will be a learning curve. But I suspect that by the end of spring ball we will be feeling as though we've made an upgrade, and it will be a continually improving upgrade. I'm expecting good things to happen.
First, thank you to Forever a Tiger for the input. Please always feel welcome to share. You know a lot more about this guy than we do, and your insight is appreciated.
Second, The Grinch is what I think of as an extra bases hire. Not a home run, but certainly not a single. At least a Double, and more likely a double that scored multiple runs.
Guys who are truly the best in their profession (any profession...doesn't matter which) ALWAYS emerge at about the same career point that this guy is at. If you can't tell after a guy has been in his profession for 10 years or so whether he has great things ahead of him, then either you don't have the information about him or you don't know how to evaluate such things. We have the information because Yost actually worked with the guy. The twitterverse and Leach all seem to see great things coming. That is good enough for me in terms of his capability.
The hire is not a home run because of lack of experience at the DC position. He will have a steep learning curve for the first year or two. That is normal after a major jump in responsibility, and again it doesn't matter which profession. That does not mean, however, that he won't be an improvement even while he is learning, and that is the thing on which we should be focusing.
We needed (some would say desperately needed) secondary coaching improvement. We needed a smart guy with energy. And there is no team that doesn't need another good recruiter.
Mizzou had a darned good defense for the past couple of years. There will be a few DC things that The Grinch has not had to do before, and as noted above, there will be a learning curve. But I suspect that by the end of spring ball we will be feeling as though we've made an upgrade, and it will be a continually improving upgrade. I'm expecting good things to happen.
There is no such thing as a "home run" hire at the coordinator/staff positions.
If this guy can coach and recruit, it's a great hire.
If this guy can coach and recruit, it's a great hire.
He coaches hard, he's recruited well to Mizzou and he's hungry to prove he can coach in a Power 5 conference. He's studied under a very good defense coordinator for the past 3 years. Seems to be inline with the type of hire Leach has went with this staff, tough recruiters. Willing to give him a chance.
I like the hire, and I would also like to show everyone some total defense numbers,
Pts/G Yds/G Total Pass Total Rush Int Defensive TDs
Team 1 -- 33.1 441.1 3261 2032 14 1
Team 2 -- 33.7 425.4 3146 1959 15 0
This is for all the people that are disappointed that Clancy P wasn't hired. These stats are from 2012, Team 1 is Clancy's Cal defense, Team 2 is Breske's Cougar defense for 2012, why pay $700K a year for the same results, pay half that to a guy that is a great secondary coach and make him your DC too.
Personally I a quite happy with the hire of Grinch, knows Yost, and Yost knows him, his DB's were good to real good, and if there is a weakest area on D, we could make an argument for the secondary. This guys is a technician and our secondary just got better.
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Pts/G Yds/G Total Pass Total Rush Int Defensive TDs
Team 1 -- 33.1 441.1 3261 2032 14 1
Team 2 -- 33.7 425.4 3146 1959 15 0
This is for all the people that are disappointed that Clancy P wasn't hired. These stats are from 2012, Team 1 is Clancy's Cal defense, Team 2 is Breske's Cougar defense for 2012, why pay $700K a year for the same results, pay half that to a guy that is a great secondary coach and make him your DC too.
Personally I a quite happy with the hire of Grinch, knows Yost, and Yost knows him, his DB's were good to real good, and if there is a weakest area on D, we could make an argument for the secondary. This guys is a technician and our secondary just got better.
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For all we know, he may have wanted something more like $900k, perhaps even more. That's what Utah claims to have offered Sitake, and Pendergast (properly) considers the NFL as a substitute, not just other college gigs.
I will say Leach probably has the biggest sack in college football
There were NFL guys he was looking at, there were other DC's he was looking at, and it could be argued he just put his professional career at WSU in the hands of a guy who has zero coordinating experience. Interesting move.
There were NFL guys he was looking at, there were other DC's he was looking at, and it could be argued he just put his professional career at WSU in the hands of a guy who has zero coordinating experience. Interesting move.
Chip Kelly on Alex Grinch hire...
New Washington State defensive coordinator Alex Grinch was once a colleague of Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly at New Hampshire. On Wednesday, Bruce Feldman of FOX Sports caught up with Kelly to get his take on the Cougars' new coach.
"He's a stud," Kelly told FOX Sports. "He's a real rising star. One of the best teachers I've been around."
Link: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/washington-state-cougars-missouri-tigers-alex-grinich-defensive-coordinator-011415
New Washington State defensive coordinator Alex Grinch was once a colleague of Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly at New Hampshire. On Wednesday, Bruce Feldman of FOX Sports caught up with Kelly to get his take on the Cougars' new coach.
"He's a stud," Kelly told FOX Sports. "He's a real rising star. One of the best teachers I've been around."
Link: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/washington-state-cougars-missouri-tigers-alex-grinich-defensive-coordinator-011415
Could've done a lot worse. Heck, it couldn't have become more worse. I think fans could look back and see this hire in a few years as sneaky genius. It could also be a disaster or somewhere in between (I'm taking the positive route here). The defense just needs to be average, at worst. Add in better ST play and a top 10 offense and the Cougs will win a lotta games. I would love a smash mouth defense eventually, but I'll take average right now. Baby steps.
I'm curious what scheme he will run. He's never been a DC before...even the great DCs had to start somewhere.
The national pundits like Bruce Feldman seem to like the hire. As did Football Scoop. Chip Kelly said he was a "stud" and a great teacher. I'm on board.
I'm curious what scheme he will run. He's never been a DC before...even the great DCs had to start somewhere.
The national pundits like Bruce Feldman seem to like the hire. As did Football Scoop. Chip Kelly said he was a "stud" and a great teacher. I'm on board.
Exactly...you don't think it takes big balls to make that hire?
You could have 30 other coaches in the same position and they would have taken the safe route. Re-read what I said...I said it was interesting.
Is there anything in the post that isn't true?
There are many examples of third and fourth choices being very successful. Pete Carroll was not USC's first, second or third choice. Dennis was their first, Bellotti was their second. It sure seems like he did ok.
Graham was ASU's fourth choice. He may be the top coach in the country.
Bellotti's offense became stagnant, he went to get some guy who was stuck at New Hampshire and hired him as their OC. The rest is history.
And we will know by the end of 2016 what kind of hire Alex G is.
You could have 30 other coaches in the same position and they would have taken the safe route. Re-read what I said...I said it was interesting.
Is there anything in the post that isn't true?
There are many examples of third and fourth choices being very successful. Pete Carroll was not USC's first, second or third choice. Dennis was their first, Bellotti was their second. It sure seems like he did ok.
Graham was ASU's fourth choice. He may be the top coach in the country.
Bellotti's offense became stagnant, he went to get some guy who was stuck at New Hampshire and hired him as their OC. The rest is history.
And we will know by the end of 2016 what kind of hire Alex G is.
There were 2 thoughts coming into this:
1. Big splash, big name.
2. Young, energetic, good with recruiting.
Tell me if I'm wrong on the above assessment
So to get a big splash, big name, we'd have to pony up some serious cash Looking back in retrospect, was this even possible? Remember we are talking about WSU and our budget right?
Regarding #2 It seems to me Grinch is the epitome of this. Don't know how we could have gotten anyone better. I think the rub for so many is, he isn't from the PAC or familiar with us "Western'ers". So we don't "know" him. Beyond that, when looking at his pedigree, those that know him, what they are saying to use the above baseball analogy, no this isn't a home run but we can't afford Babe Ruth. Seems like we just got a triple, IMHO. Want to know more, though. More info! Coming from SEC, we are kinda blind on this one.
1. Big splash, big name.
2. Young, energetic, good with recruiting.
Tell me if I'm wrong on the above assessment
So to get a big splash, big name, we'd have to pony up some serious cash Looking back in retrospect, was this even possible? Remember we are talking about WSU and our budget right?
Regarding #2 It seems to me Grinch is the epitome of this. Don't know how we could have gotten anyone better. I think the rub for so many is, he isn't from the PAC or familiar with us "Western'ers". So we don't "know" him. Beyond that, when looking at his pedigree, those that know him, what they are saying to use the above baseball analogy, no this isn't a home run but we can't afford Babe Ruth. Seems like we just got a triple, IMHO. Want to know more, though. More info! Coming from SEC, we are kinda blind on this one.
Re: I will say Leach probably has the biggest sack in college football
sorry ed. couldn't resist.
"I never once said [insulting thing about grinch]."
sorry ed. couldn't resist.
I hope he will be great, don't get me wrong. Just not the type of hire I was looking for to show that we were serious about that side of the ball, and winning football in general. WSU has long been a place for coaches to come and make their bonafides before moving on. I would like to have seen an indication that trend is starting to reverse. It may have been too soon to jump up to a million dollar DC though. Perhaps we still have to do more with guys making less for the short term. Great recruiter? Well, that is fine but we need a great coordinator. Hiring this guy to me feels like the perception is still that you cant win big at WSU. According to our AD we are supposed to change that mindset. This hire does not help that IMHO.
