Re: I will say Leach probably has the biggest sack in college football
because ED is still butthurt over the wulff firing
Alex Grinch is the new DC per FootballScoup
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Hard to disagree with this, but I think there's something to be said for going this route. Perhaps this kid is the *next* Rex Ryan. We already tried the "hire a guy with a lot of experience as DC at a lower level" route with Breske, which is what I see as the realistic alternative we had here once the bigger name guys (e.g., Diaz, Clancy, Sitake, Gibbs) didn't pan out.
I'm not sure this will work out better than hiring, say, a guy who has been the DC at a MWC school for 4 or 5 years with decent results, but it has a chance to be a great hire instead of just a safe, decent one. Frankly, not sure it's the decision I would have made.
That said, I'm excited to see how this works out, and nobody has anything bad to say about Grinch. Scary thing is that we're not going to know until the guys get between the lines this fall. I don't care what anyone says before then, how the defense looks in camp, etc. ... we've all heard that stuff before.
Re: Exactly...you don't think it takes big balls to make that hire?
That is your opinion. By definition it can't be true.
That is the question 425. With our offense, perhaps it is best to go with the safe hire but I think I like that Leach taking a gamble on this one.
Re: Exactly...you don't think it takes big balls to make that hire?
Did you really just say this? You really putting him above Urban Meyer who has won almost 85% of his games and has 3 rings? Graham still hasn't won the Pac-12, good for 3-4 L's a year. Christ, your obsession with ASU is pathetic. Go cheer for them and Ball.
Until there's good results into the season....he'll be known as the Grinch that stole Pendergrast. He has broad shoulders....he'll handle it. Being his first season as a DC....from now until the end of next season is going by like an eye-blink.
Re: Exactly...you don't think it takes big balls to make that hire?
Graham is still at ASU? Way overdue for a change in scenery for him.
Graham is still at ASU? Way overdue for a change in scenery for him.
Some immediate thoughts, but could change when we have more information. Hiring a coach with DB experience is good in a passing league like the Pac 12. Moos at one time said they were looking for a DC with experience. If that was something that Leach was seriously considering and he still went with Grinch, I am thinking that Grinch's interview must have been extremely impressive. He really must have had a plan on what he wanted to do with the defense and how he was going to get there.
I'm not saying that his interview was not impressive; I have no idea of course. But that kind of comment is completely self-serving. Sterk said the same thing about the former head coach. I just hate that kind of a comment after a decision.
I believe you are overthinking what I said. There were many coaches that Leach could have chosen for this job. He could have gone several different routes from experienced, to lower level, to out of work, to NFL assistant, etc. Yet, he chose Grinch. There has to be a reason. I am saying that one of those reasons was that he blew Leach away in the interview.
What can one say? Is he the Grinch who stole a late Christmas from the coug faithful? On the face of it it goes against the credentials which Moos touted for the next DC. How will the other coaches react to a younger man who does not have any experience at the DC 's position.? It is indeed an underwhelming hire for all the publicity given to the hire. One hopes that Leach knows what he is doing on this one.Is this a budgetary move or indeed an hire of a up and coming defensive genius? The coug faithful will just have to wait and see. It is a single and a stolen second base type of hire. I hope this guy pulls it off and steals home to the delight of fans
Re: I will say Leach probably has the biggest sack in college football
This post was edited on 1/14 5:42 PM by YakiCoug
That and Chris Ball droppings ed nauseam. Btw, Ed, did Ball have defensive coordinatiing experience prior to Wulff's hiring him at WSU? Consistency,boy,consistency.
This post was edited on 1/14 5:42 PM by YakiCoug
Wonder what number he was on the list.
Kid has his work cut out for him because personnel wise the 92 defense we are not.
Kid has his work cut out for him because personnel wise the 92 defense we are not.
That post was a little over your head so I'll clarify.
That 92 defense had a ton of underclassmen that was the foundation for the 94 team.
That 92 defense had a ton of underclassmen that was the foundation for the 94 team.
Oh...so we have a Torey Hunter, Singor Mobley, Ron Child's, Chad Eaton, and a Don Sasa on the roster? Do tell.
Also 24 ppg is a hell of a lot better than what we gave up last yr.
This post was edited on 1/14 6:35 PM by spongebob11
Also 24 ppg is a hell of a lot better than what we gave up last yr.
This post was edited on 1/14 6:35 PM by spongebob11
Re: I will say Leach probably has the biggest sack in college football
Probably because Ball was all we could afford at that time. Apples to Oranges.
This post was edited on 1/14 6:36 PM by spongebob11
Probably because Ball was all we could afford at that time. Apples to Oranges.
This post was edited on 1/14 6:36 PM by spongebob11
Well maybe you can enlighten me.
Til then, .there is nothing you can tell me that this D has any talent close to the '92 team as I don't wear cheerleading skirts and drink the kool aid brand x spews forth every yr.
This post was edited on 1/14 7:20 PM by spongebob11
Til then, .there is nothing you can tell me that this D has any talent close to the '92 team as I don't wear cheerleading skirts and drink the kool aid brand x spews forth every yr.
This post was edited on 1/14 7:20 PM by spongebob11
Its funny talking to you guys who know so little about Cougar football history.
Maybe you would like to chime in and tell me who the next Torey Hunter, Singor Mobley, Ron Childs, Chad Eaton, and Don Sasa is.
Since that '92 D wasn't that good and all.
Maybe you would like to chime in and tell me who the next Torey Hunter, Singor Mobley, Ron Childs, Chad Eaton, and Don Sasa is.
Since that '92 D wasn't that good and all.
Tell you what. This defense does not have the young talent that eventually became the Palouse Posse. Guess what? There is no other time in WSU history that had the talent that the Posse had, not even the two Rose Bowls or the other two 10 win season during the 2nd Rose Bowl stretch.
Next season does not have to be one of the best defenses ever, it just has to be average for WSU to win a lot of games. Is there enough talent to be average? I think so.
Since there was so much "thought" and "accuracy" bringing up the 1992 defense.
I find it interesting that the 1992 defense gave up the 3rd most points per game in the Pac10
Just as this past years defense gave up the 3rd most in the Pac12
Facts get in the way of the brothers beliefs
I find it interesting that the 1992 defense gave up the 3rd most points per game in the Pac10
Just as this past years defense gave up the 3rd most in the Pac12
Facts get in the way of the brothers beliefs
Sponge, I said that defense wasn't THAT good, nothing like you are trying to describe it to be. You're barking up the wrong tree trying to tell me that I don't know anything about Cougar Football history because I pretty much can tell anybody anything about Cougar football from 1988-current times.
I think that Allison, White, Pippins, Hameed, Leniu, Hoyd, Porter, Broughton, Moi, Singleton, Lunai, Mitchell, Palacio, Ekuala, Tapa, Barber, Lemora, Porter, Farrar, Mata'afa, Hernandez, Luvu, McLennan, Taylor and LaRue are all solid pieces to form a a capable defense. But go ahead tell yourself that none of those guys are talented.
Allow me to enlighten you...
Those players made up the #1 defense in the Nation!
Those are some facts for you.
In 1992 you had zero clue what they had on the roster
In 2014 you have zero clue what 2016 will do from the roster
That is a Fact Mr. Enlighten
In 2014 you have zero clue what 2016 will do from the roster
That is a Fact Mr. Enlighten
He's saying that before the 1992 season, you had zero clue what was on defense after coming off of an impressive 4-7 season where we lost the 3 out of our last 4 by a combined total 149-38 and had a defense that gave up an average of 31 points per game and gave up 33 points per game in the Pac-10, but yes continue to tell me how we knew how awesome the 1992 defense was gonna be and that after the 1991 season we all knew it was gonna be the #1 ranked defense in country by 1994. How are those facts for you?
This post was edited on 1/14 9:27 PM by Brent H.
Honestly Brent. I believe you can tell if certain players have talent. Just like we can see that many of the freshman on last years team have talent. Are they as talented as the Posse? Of course not. What WSU defense has ever been that talented?
But, do they have more talent than the previous classes? Yes. Do they have enough talent to become an average defense? I believe they do. Not sure why people are arguing whether this defense will have the talent of the Posse? Seems like an illogical base to start.
But, do they have more talent than the previous classes? Yes. Do they have enough talent to become an average defense? I believe they do. Not sure why people are arguing whether this defense will have the talent of the Posse? Seems like an illogical base to start.
What the hell does the '91 have to do with anything I posted?
I suggest you two go back and re-read my posts. After watching '92(not '91) we knew what we had coming back. Same with 2014...some players who have played...and some brand new faces.
If we want to compare the 92 defense to the 2014 defense, which is what Whitworth is doing, I would just stop.
I suggest you two go back and re-read my posts. After watching '92(not '91) we knew what we had coming back. Same with 2014...some players who have played...and some brand new faces.
If we want to compare the 92 defense to the 2014 defense, which is what Whitworth is doing, I would just stop.
BH...can I ask you a legit question...what have you seen from
Leniu, Hoyd, Porter, Broughton, Moi, Singleton, Lunai, Mitchell, Ekuala, Tapa, Barber, Porter, Farrar, Mata'afa, Hernandez, Luvu, Taylor and LaRue that tells you they are solid pieces?
Leniu, Hoyd, Porter, Broughton, Moi, Singleton, Lunai, Mitchell, Ekuala, Tapa, Barber, Porter, Farrar, Mata'afa, Hernandez, Luvu, Taylor and LaRue that tells you they are solid pieces?
Good catch BH...let me repharse cause I was in a hurry
and didn't communicate it correctly. This is what I meant to say "Graham may be the best coach in this conference and one of the best coaches in the country." I think the point isn't about ball or whether i think he is good or not (BTW, I have already said he made a mistake not coaching the cougs and being a figure head at best at ASU as their "pretend" DC.
The post was more about sometimes the fourth hire is better than what people think is the attractive hire. Time will tell.
and didn't communicate it correctly. This is what I meant to say "Graham may be the best coach in this conference and one of the best coaches in the country." I think the point isn't about ball or whether i think he is good or not (BTW, I have already said he made a mistake not coaching the cougs and being a figure head at best at ASU as their "pretend" DC.
The post was more about sometimes the fourth hire is better than what people think is the attractive hire. Time will tell.
And I'm saying we had no clue how the 1992 defense was gonna be after the crappy season we had in 1991. You are pointing to 1992 and saying, "hey look at how great that defense, look at how great it became" but completely ignoring the fact it was absolute crap in 1991. The jump the 92 defense made from 91 wasn't all that great, but it dropped to giving up about 25 points per game, which I said if Grinch can do that for 2015 then we'll win a lot of games. You comparing a 9-3 team to a 3-9, while I'm comparing a 3-9 against a 4-7 team. Going into the 1992 season we had no clue how good Hunter, Childs, Eaton and Sasa were, it wasn't until after that season we knew they were good. If you thought that we were gonna have a decent defense in 1992 after the season we had in 1992 you're lying because nobody saw the 1994 defense coming in 1991. But hey, I don't wanna spoil a good narrative like I said.
