Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

[M-I-Coug]

I'm not sure you call this a "deal".

Although not official, it is said ESPN and the Pac-12 are in discussions and possibly negotiations about a 2026 Pac-12 Media Deal.

It would be the following:

Alleged 2026 TV Deal with ESPN2 and ESPN+ will be somewhere between $8M-$10M, which is a significant blow from the desired $15M.

No Big Fox. No main ESPN. But there may be FS1.

ESPN2 is fine....everybody gets that..... but ESPN+ is interesting. Most of our Men's Basketball games this year are streaming ESPN+.

ESPN+ (where you can stream on any mobile device, such as your phone or tablet, iPad, by streaming from the ESPN+ app OR....cast it on your TV. The only plus side to ESPN+ is you can stream it from anywhere with WiFi or 5G data.

The downside? Besides that the announcers won't be physically at the stadium, the nation won't have access to our games, unless they're streaming from the ESPN app. For example the bars around the county won't be showing our game, unless they're casting it from the app via ROKU, Amazon Firestick, AppleTV, or Google Chromecast. Also, sportswriter's, etc, won't see our games unless they use the app.

This lack of national exposure, (except ESPN2 and FS1) is such a blow, that words cannot describe how impactful this realignment has done for Washington State and Oregon State. Not just the financial hit, but the recruiting hit as well.

BTW, I don't think we can run our program and all of our sports with this sort of revenue.

In addition, you take Utah for example. The Utes are not happy in the Big 12. They've even said it's a step down for them. They also have no Exit Fees in their contract. But...don't get your hopes up for Utah coming back. Why?

Why would they come back for $8-$10M?

Welcome to the G5.

 

[95coug]

I'm not sure you call this a "deal".

Although not official, it is said ESPN and the Pac-12 are in discussions and possibly negotiations about a 2026 Pac-12 Media Deal.

It would be the following:

Alleged 2026 TV Deal with ESPN2 and ESPN+ will be somewhere between $8M-$10M, which is a significant blow from the desired $15M.

No Big Fox. No main ESPN. But there may be FS1.

ESPN2 is fine....everybody gets that..... but ESPN+ is interesting. Most of our Men's Basketball games this year are streaming ESPN+.

ESPN+ (where you can stream on any mobile device, such as your phone or tablet, iPad, by streaming from the ESPN+ app OR....cast it on your TV. The only plus side to ESPN+ is you can stream it from anywhere with WiFi or 5G data.

The downside? Besides that the announcers won't be physically at the stadium, the nation won't have access to our games, unless they're streaming from the ESPN app. For example the bars around the county won't be showing our game, unless they're casting it from the app via ROKU, Amazon Firestick, or Google Chromecast. Also, sportswriter's, etc, won't see our games unless they use the app.

This lack of national exposure, (except ESPN2 and FS1) is such a blow, that words cannot describe how impactful this realignment has done for Washington State and Oregon State. Not just the financial hit, but the recruiting hit as well.

Welcome to the G5.

That would effectively be 1990s style TV coverage. A game or two a year that’s widely available, the rest of the time in the dark.

But…at this point I don’t really buy it. I don’t think any network is making an offer until they know who team #8 is. Nobody wants to be forced to carry New Mexico State because they signed up to carry Boise state.

 

[M-I-Coug]

That would effectively be 1990s style TV coverage. A game or two a year that’s widely available, the rest of the time in the dark.

But…at this point I don’t really buy it. I don’t think any network is making an offer until they know who team #8 is. Nobody wants to be forced to carry New Mexico State because they signed up to carry Boise state.

I look at it this way....even with a New Mexico State, ESPN2 and ESPN+ would still make a killing, or at least a fair and reasonable profit regardless. So they don't care, or need to wait what team # 8 is. They're still going to earn revenue.

 

[mikalalas]

I'm not sure you call this a "deal".

Although not official, it is said ESPN and the Pac-12 are in discussions and possibly negotiations about a 2026 Pac-12 Media Deal.

It would be the following:

Alleged 2026 TV Deal with ESPN2 and ESPN+ will be somewhere between $8M-$10M, which is a significant blow from the desired $15M.

No Big Fox. No main ESPN. But there may be FS1.

ESPN2 is fine....everybody gets that..... but ESPN+ is interesting. Most of our Men's Basketball games this year are streaming ESPN+.

ESPN+ (where you can stream on any mobile device, such as your phone or tablet, iPad, by streaming from the ESPN+ app OR....cast it on your TV. The only plus side to ESPN+ is you can stream it from anywhere with WiFi or 5G data.

The downside? Besides that the announcers won't be physically at the stadium, the nation won't have access to our games, unless they're streaming from the ESPN app. For example the bars around the county won't be showing our game, unless they're casting it from the app via ROKU, Amazon Firestick, AppleTV, or Google Chromecast. Also, sportswriter's, etc, won't see our games unless they use the app.

This lack of national exposure, (except ESPN2 and FS1) is such a blow, that words cannot describe how impactful this realignment has done for Washington State and Oregon State. Not just the financial hit, but the recruiting hit as well.

BTW, I don't think we can run our program and all of our sports with that sort of revenue.

In addition, you take Utah for example. The Utes are not happy in the Big 12. They've even said it's a step down for them. They also have no Exit Fees in their contract. But...don't get your hopes up for Utah coming back. Why?

Why would they come back for $8-$10M?

Welcome to the G5.

4 reasons that projected deal is only 8-10 mil:

1. That 8 to 10 mil probably does NOT include 1 of either Memphis, OR Tulane, OR USF, OR UTSA.

2. It probably does NOT include Gonzaga.

3. ESPN, FOX, are, can be CHEAPSKATES.

4. ESPN, FOX, probably do NOT want to pay for BOTH Gonzaga, and a PAC 7(8th unknown), football, combined, media deal.

PAC 2/7/X, has hired Octagon consulting firm, 1 of the top 2 such firms in the country, that has a reputation for getting awesome media deals.

The PAC will probably try, succeed, in getting Prime Video, CW, TNT, ESPN+/ESPNU/ESPNHD, FOX, FS1, ALL COMBINED TOGETHER, IN A PIECEMEAL, NON EXCLUSIVE, where PAC uses the PAC 12 enterprises(Former PAC 12 network), to produce the games, with the ESPN, FOX, CW, PRIME VIDEO, TNT, APPLE ALL COMBINED TOGETHER HANDLING THE STAFFING OF THE PAC 12 ENTERPRISES STUDIO, in exchange for a COMBINED ESPN, FOX, CW, PRIME VIDEO, TNT, APPLE, ALL COMBINED TOGETHER ABOUT 14,15,16,17 MIL PER TEAM PER YEAR MEDIA DEAL.

The MAINSTREAM, LAMESTREAM Sports media, like ESPN, FOX, are either not thinking outside the box like that, or are knowingly, purposely portraying, doing stories like a ESPN OR FOX, EXCLUSIVE, NON combined deal getting ONLY 8-10 mil, in order to PAINT a cheapskate NARRATIVE, hoping that that will make it so that WSU NOT able to get Memphis OR Tulane OR USF.

ESPN, FOX thinks that the PAC 12 has a chance to someday, far off into the future, maybe challenge, Big 10, SEC, ESPN, FOX, maybe cost them more then 8-10 mil per team, per year, so ESPN, FOX want to shoot, kick, kill, injure the PAC 12 while it's down, to prevent it from recovering by getting Memphis, and a good enough media deal.

ESPN, FOX is hoping that PAC 12 panics, immediately does a 8-10 mil per team, per year media deal, which would not be enough to get Memphis, etc. ESPN, FOX, do NOT want PAC 12 to do a PIECEMEAL, combined media deal with CW, TNT, PRIME Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, etc, because such a deal would probably get PAC 12 about a 13, 14,15,16,17 mil per team, per year media deal, 4,5,6,7 mil more then a exclusive with ESPN, FOX, and would be enough to get Memphis, etc.

PAC 12, Octagon, probably won't panic, or hopefully won't panic, and will shop around, do a piecemeal, combined media deal that would be worth 13,14,15,16,17 mil per team, per year media deal, instead of panicking, immediately, doing a 8,9,10 mil per team, per year, exclusive media deal with the cheapskate ESPN, FOX, that wants to get PAC 12 for cheap, that does not want PAC 12 to get Memphis, that does not want PAC 12 to recover, that wants to kick PAC 12, while PAC 12 is down.

PAC 12, Octagon, can probably get a 13,14,15,16,17 mil per team per year media deal by doing a piecemeal, combined media deal with CW, TNT, PRIME Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, etc, using PAC 12 enterprises production studio under the control of the TV companies.

 

[mikalalas]

4 reasons that projected deal is only 8-10 mil:

1. That 8 to 10 mil probably does NOT include 1 of either Memphis, OR Tulane, OR USF, OR UTSA.

2. It probably does NOT include Gonzaga.

3. ESPN, FOX, are, can be CHEAPSKATES.

4. ESPN, FOX, probably do NOT want to pay for BOTH Gonzaga, and a PAC 7(8th unknown), football, combined, media deal.

PAC 2/7/X, has hired Octagon consulting firm, 1 of the top 2 such firms in the country, that has a reputation for getting awesome media deals.

The PAC will probably try, succeed, in getting Prime Video, CW, TNT, ESPN+/ESPNU/ESPNHD, FOX, FS1, ALL COMBINED TOGETHER, IN A PIECEMEAL, NON EXCLUSIVE, where PAC uses the PAC 12 enterprises(Former PAC 12 network), to produce the games, with the ESPN, FOX, CW, PRIME VIDEO, TNT, APPLE ALL COMBINED TOGETHER HANDLING THE STAFFING OF THE PAC 12 ENTERPRISES STUDIO, in exchange for a COMBINED ESPN, FOX, CW, PRIME VIDEO, TNT, APPLE, ALL COMBINED TOGETHER ABOUT 14,15,16,17 MIL PER TEAM PER YEAR MEDIA DEAL.

The MAINSTREAM, LAMESTREAM Sports media, like ESPN, FOX, are either not thinking outside the box like that, or are knowingly, purposely portraying, doing stories like a ESPN OR FOX, EXCLUSIVE, NON combined deal getting ONLY 8-10 mil, in order to PAINT a cheapskate NARRATIVE, hoping that that will make it so that WSU NOT able to get Memphis OR Tulane OR USF.

ESPN, FOX thinks that the PAC 12 has a chance to someday, far off into the future, maybe challenge, Big 10, SEC, ESPN, FOX, maybe cost them more then 8-10 mil per team, per year, so ESPN, FOX want to shoot, kick, kill, injure the PAC 12 while it's down, to prevent it from recovering by getting Memphis, and a good enough media deal.

ESPN, FOX is hoping that PAC 12 panics, immediately does a 8-10 mil per team, per year media deal, which would not be enough to get Memphis, etc. ESPN, FOX, do NOT want PAC 12 to do a PIECEMEAL, combined media deal with CW, TNT, PRIME Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, etc, because such a deal would probably get PAC 12 about a 13, 14,15,16,17 mil per team, per year media deal, 4,5,6,7 mil more then a exclusive with ESPN, FOX, and would be enough to get Memphis, etc.

PAC 12, Octagon, probably won't panic, or hopefully won't panic, and will shop around, do a piecemeal, combined media deal that would be worth 13,14,15,16,17 mil per team, per year media deal, instead of panicking, immediately, doing a 8,9,10 mil per team, per year, exclusive media deal with the cheapskate ESPN, FOX, that wants to get PAC 12 for cheap, that does not want PAC 12 to get Memphis, that does not want PAC 12 to recover, that wants to kick PAC 12, while PAC 12 is down.

PAC 12, Octagon, can probably get a 13,14,15,16,17 mil per team per year media deal by doing a piecemeal, combined media deal with CW, TNT, PRIME Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, etc, using PAC 12 enterprises production studio under the control of the TV companies.

Some might think that only getting 1,2 of either Memphis An or Tulane An OR USF, An Or UTSA, would NOT add 3, 4, 5, 6 mil more per team, per year media, and that's partially right, wrong. It's partially right in dealing with ESPN, FOX the CHEAPSKATES.

But if the media deal is done piecemeal, combined with CW, AND, TNT, AND PRIME VIDEO, AND CBS, AND APPLE, AND NBC, AND ABC, ETC, with PAC 12 enterprises production studio under the control of CW, AND, TNT, AND PRIME, AND CBS, AND APPLE, AND NBC, AND ABC, ETC, then in such a arrangement, PAC getting Memphis, An Or Tulane, An Or USF, An Or UTSA, and Gonzaga, absolutely would add 3,4,5,6 mil more per team, per year then, to 8-10 mil of cheapskate ESPN, FOX, and would be worth about 13, 14,15,16,17 mil per team, per year, and would be good enough to get Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, and would make the PAC X the BEST conference behind, after, only Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, and would practically guarantee PAC 12 a practically semi guaranteed spot in CFP, and would be a hybrid P5/G5 conference.

A conference with BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, Gonzaga, would be tied for 4th best conference in nation, and would be worth 13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team per year if do a piecemeal, combined media deal with CW, TNT, Prime Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, instead of doing a 8-10 mil per team per year exclusive media deal with either Cheapskates ESPN, or FOX, with No Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, No Gonzaga, etc.

Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, add that much more value, if not done with Cheapskates ESPN, FOX, and instead done with, in a piecemeal, combined manner with CW, TNT, Prime Video, Apple, CBS, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, streaming, etc.

 

[COUGinNCW]

I'm not sure you call this a "deal".

Although not official, it is said ESPN and the Pac-12 are in discussions and possibly negotiations about a 2026 Pac-12 Media Deal.

It would be the following:

Alleged 2026 TV Deal with ESPN2 and ESPN+ will be somewhere between $8M-$10M, which is a significant blow from the desired $15M.

No Big Fox. No main ESPN. But there may be FS1.

ESPN2 is fine....everybody gets that..... but ESPN+ is interesting. Most of our Men's Basketball games this year are streaming ESPN+.

ESPN+ (where you can stream on any mobile device, such as your phone or tablet, iPad, by streaming from the ESPN+ app OR....cast it on your TV. The only plus side to ESPN+ is you can stream it from anywhere with WiFi or 5G data.

The downside? Besides that the announcers won't be physically at the stadium, the nation won't have access to our games, unless they're streaming from the ESPN app. For example the bars around the county won't be showing our game, unless they're casting it from the app via ROKU, Amazon Firestick, AppleTV, or Google Chromecast. Also, sportswriter's, etc, won't see our games unless they use the app.

This lack of national exposure, (except ESPN2 and FS1) is such a blow, that words cannot describe how impactful this realignment has done for Washington State and Oregon State. Not just the financial hit, but the recruiting hit as well.

BTW, I don't think we can run our program and all of our sports with this sort of revenue.

In addition, you take Utah for example. The Utes are not happy in the Big 12. They've even said it's a step down for them. They also have no Exit Fees in their contract. But...don't get your hopes up for Utah coming back. Why?

Why would they come back for $8-$10M?

Welcome to the G5.

Where are you seeing or hearing this? Voices in your head?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I look at it this way....even with a New Mexico State, ESPN2 and ESPN+ would still make a killing, or at least a fair and reasonable profit regardless. So they don't care, or need to wait what team # 8 is. They're still going to earn revenue.

Viewership would go in the tank.

Profits would plummet.

Self fulfilling prophecy of "see, we told you the Cougs suck."

Fck the mouse and their shitty deal.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Where are you seeing or hearing this? Voices in your head?

You don't want to know.

 

[mikalalas]

You don't want to know.

MI, the MWC, before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12, was, is getting about 4 mil per team, per year. And then they the MWC was also going to get 8 to 10 mil per team per year. This was with BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Utah St, Airforce, SJSU, Wyoming, Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, THE BOTTOM DWELLERS OF THE MWC.

For ESPN, FOX to say that BSU, Memphis, Tulane, Fresno St, SDSU, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, WSU, CSU, OSU, Utah St, no BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE NEW MEXICO, NEVADA, HAWAI, SJSU, WYOMING, ETC, is EQUAL TO THE BSU MWC WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS, and also only worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, is ILLOGICAL HORSESHIT, since BSU, MEMPHIS, FRESNO ST, SDSU, GONZAGA, TULANE, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, UTAH ST, ARE CLEARLY A HELL LOT BETTER THEN BSU MWC, WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE HAWAI, ETC, COMPETITION WISE, BRAND NAME WISE, TV WISE, ETC.

IF MR SPOCK WERE IN CHARGE OF THE MEDIA DEAL, HE WOULD OFFER THE BSU PAC 12, 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team, per year, and would offer the BSU MWC with Hawai, about 7 to 10 mil per team, per year.

No way in FCKING HELL is BSU, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, Gonzaga, Tulane, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, only worth 8 to 10 mil, just like the BSU MWC, with Hawai.

That's why ESPN's, FOX'S exclusive media deal offers are only 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, and don't include Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA.

PAC 12, Octagon, would have to be ILLOGICAL MORONS to do a 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal with ESPN or FOX, instead of doing a 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team per year PIECEMEAL, COMBINED DEAL with CW, TNT, Prime Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, stream, TV, PAC 12 enterprises production studio.

ESPN, FOX wants to RIP OFF, LOWBALL, the PAC 12, and does not want to include Gonzaga, Memphis, ETC, and does not want PAC 12 to recover, get a 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year media deal, and wants to kill the PAC 12 permanently, so that the PAC 12 NEVER, EVER challenges Big 10, SEC, their CASH COWS, FAR OFF INTO THE FAR OFF FUTURE.

The PAC 12 is NOT only worth 8 to 10 mil, Spock, Data would say that is ILLOGICAL, DOES NOT COMPUTE, THAT the PAC 12 would only be worth 8 to 10 mil.

The PAC 12 logically, computedly is worth about 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year, for Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, PAC 12, etc, since that was, is way the hell better competition, brand, name, TV, etc, wise then the BSU, Hawai, MWC, that worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year.

 

[95coug]

MI, the MWC, before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12, was, is getting about 4 mil per team, per year. And then they the MWC was also going to get 8 to 10 mil per team per year. This was with BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Utah St, Airforce, SJSU, Wyoming, Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, THE BOTTOM DWELLERS OF THE MWC.

For ESPN, FOX to say that BSU, Memphis, Tulane, Fresno St, SDSU, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, WSU, CSU, OSU, Utah St, no BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE NEW MEXICO, NEVADA, HAWAI, SJSU, WYOMING, ETC, is EQUAL TO THE BSU MWC WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS, and also only worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, is ILLOGICAL HORSESHIT, since BSU, MEMPHIS, FRESNO ST, SDSU, GONZAGA, TULANE, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, UTAH ST, ARE CLEARLY A HELL LOT BETTER THEN BSU MWC, WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE HAWAI, ETC, COMPETITION WISE, BRAND NAME WISE, TV WISE, ETC.

IF MR SPOCK WERE IN CHARGE OF THE MEDIA DEAL, HE WOULD OFFER THE BSU PAC 12, 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team, per year, and would offer the BSU MWC with Hawai, about 7 to 10 mil per team, per year.

No way in FCKING HELL is BSU, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, Gonzaga, Tulane, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, only worth 8 to 10 mil, just like the BSU MWC, with Hawai.

That's why ESPN's, FOX'S exclusive media deal offers are only 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, and don't include Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA.

PAC 12, Octagon, would have to be ILLOGICAL MORONS to do a 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal with ESPN or FOX, instead of doing a 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team per year PIECEMEAL, COMBINED DEAL with CW, TNT, Prime Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, stream, TV, PAC 12 enterprises production studio.

ESPN, FOX wants to RIP OFF, LOWBALL, the PAC 12, and does not want to include Gonzaga, Memphis, ETC, and does not want PAC 12 to recover, get a 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year media deal, and wants to kill the PAC 12 permanently, so that the PAC 12 NEVER, EVER challenges Big 10, SEC, their CASH COWS, FAR OFF INTO THE FAR OFF FUTURE.

The PAC 12 is NOT only worth 8 to 10 mil, Spock, Data would say that is ILLOGICAL, DOES NOT COMPUTE, THAT the PAC 12 would only be worth 8 to 10 mil.

The PAC 12 logically, computedly is worth about 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year, for Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, PAC 12, etc, since that was, is way the hell better competition, brand, name, TV, etc, wise then the BSU, Hawai, MWC, that worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year.

You keep coming up with these numbers that go up to 18 million...but based on what? And your idiotic range of "12 to 15 to 18 mil" doesn't even make sense. No network or conference is going to even talk about a range that varies by up to 50%. It's meaningless. You also don't seem to know that half the teams you keep talking about - Memphis and Tulane specifically - have already turned us down.

You reference what we're "logically, computedly" worth. I've never seen any logic in your claims, and who computed that?

Seriously, we have 7 teams now - the two (obviously) lowest market value teams from the Pac-12, combined with 5 teams from the MWC that were getting 4-5M. WSU and OSU got up to $21M when they were revenue sharing with USC, UCLA, UO, and UW. Even if we pretend that we commanded $21M ourselves - we didn't - once that's averaged with 5 teams that are only worth $5M, everyone gets about $9M.

Sorry if that's too much actual logic and real math for you, but your 12-15-18M numbers have always been ridiculous and completely without merit. If we can swing a massively successful negotiation with a massively stupid network exec, we might be able to get to 12. Far more likely we're at 8-10. Maybe we can get some streaming milestones like what was supposedly in the Pac-12 Apple deal, but those aren't going to get us anywhere near 15-18.

 

[mikalalas]

You keep coming up with these numbers that go up to 18 million...but based on what? And your idiotic range of "12 to 15 to 18 mil" doesn't even make sense. No network or conference is going to even talk about a range that varies by up to 50%. It's meaningless. You also don't seem to know that half the teams you keep talking about - Memphis and Tulane specifically - have already turned us down.

You reference what we're "logically, computedly" worth. I've never seen any logic in your claims, and who computed that?

Seriously, we have 7 teams now - the two (obviously) lowest market value teams from the Pac-12, combined with 5 teams from the MWC that were getting 4-5M. WSU and OSU got up to $21M when they were revenue sharing with USC, UCLA, UO, and UW. Even if we pretend that we commanded $21M ourselves - we didn't - once that's averaged with 5 teams that are only worth $5M, everyone gets about $9M.

Sorry if that's too much actual logic and real math for you, but your 12-15-18M numbers have always been ridiculous and completely without merit. If we can swing a massively successful negotiation with a massively stupid network exec, we might be able to get to 12. Far more likely we're at 8-10. Maybe we can get some streaming milestones like what was supposedly in the Pac-12 Apple deal, but those aren't going to get us anywhere near 15-18.

Memphis's AD said, hinted that IF the PAC 12 had made a better offer, like either a concrete, good media deal(like better then BSU, Hawai, MWC's projected 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal(Before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12), or better then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year deal, or a equal media deal, but better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer, the PAC 12 offered to Memphis, etc, to help pay AAC exit fees, that Memphis would consider better.

So if the PAC 12 can either offer Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, either a better then 8 to 10 mil media deal, concrete better media deal number, or offer a lot more then 2.5 mil to help with AAC Exit Fee, then Memphis would be open, consider that, etc.

That's why the PAC is getting media deal numbers like what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, so they can go back to Memphis and Say something like "Hey, here is proof that if you join PAC 12, you'll get about 15 mil."

ESPN, FOX does NOT want to do a media deal, that includes Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, better then 8-10 mil, etc.

 

[ttowncoug]

I'd be fine with the late game being on ESPN2 and call it Pac-12 after dark. It'll get decent TV numbers.

I don't buy the games will be only on ESPN2. ESPN has ZERO Big-10 games and would put the Apple Cup (WSU host) on ABC or a better platform for viewership. Same with the Civil War.

I would also explore "rebooting" the Pac-12 network with a strategic partner, like ESPN or Fox.

ESPN is going all in with streaming, so that may be the way to go. I personally think ESPN+ is painful as it is pretty slow tp load and is choppy at my house.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Memphis's AD said, hinted that IF the PAC 12 had made a better offer, like either a concrete, good media deal(like better then BSU, Hawai, MWC's projected 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal(Before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12), or better then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year deal, or a equal media deal, but better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer, the PAC 12 offered to Memphis, etc, to help pay AAC exit fees, that Memphis would consider better.

So if the PAC 12 can either offer Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, either a better then 8 to 10 mil media deal, concrete better media deal number, or offer a lot more then 2.5 mil to help with AAC Exit Fee, then Memphis would be open, consider that, etc.

That's why the PAC is getting media deal numbers like what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, so they can go back to Memphis and Say something like "Hey, here is proof that if you join PAC 12, you'll get about 15 mil."

ESPN, FOX does NOT want to do a media deal, that includes Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, better then 8-10 mil, etc.

Memphis had OK viewership for a Friday night game up against only UCLA-Iowa. Tulane and USF? Not so much. None of those teams move the needle much if at all. TV ratings throughout the year confirm that.

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[CougPatrol]

I spoke briefly with someone on the senior athletics staff last weekend, and they told me that they hadn't heard anything yet, nor do they expect to for a while.

If the number comes in at that level, I expect the P12 to take counter bids from streaming providers.

 

[CougPatrol]

You don't want to know.

Actually we do.

 

[mikalalas]

Even if PAC 7/8, didn't have Memphis, and or Tulane, and or USF, and or UTSA, and only have BSU, Gonzaga, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, THAT'S STILL WAY THE FCK BETTER THEN BSU, Hawai, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, SJSU, BOTTOM SHIT MWC.

BSU, Hawai, MWC was projected to get 8 to 10 mil per team, per year media deal, just before BSU, etc, announced for PAC.

By saying PAC 7/8, BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, not including the PAC 7/8's Gonzaga, etc, is only worth 8-10 mil per team, per year, your basically saying that's not better then BSU, SHITTY HAWAI, MWC, and that BSU, Shitty Hawai, etc, MWC, is equal to BSU, Pac 12, that has no shitty bottom dwellers like a Shitty Hawai.

The whole point to go shopping for a media deal, was to ask questions like: "What would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Gonzaga", or "what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis An or Tulane an or USF An or UTSA?", so that it could go say to Memphis, etc, and say "See the Pac 12 is worth more per team, per year, 15 mil, etc, that more then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year, and OFFER A BETTER DEAL, BETTER, MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS, etc.

The BSU, PAC 7/8, with no shitty bottom dwellers, is BETTER then the BSU, Shit Hawai, MWC, both in competition, name brands, TV, etc. That means the PAC 7/8 with NO shitty bottom dwellers, etc, is worth MORE THEN THE 8-10 mil per team, per year, of the BSU, Shitty Hawai, MWC.

ESPN, FOX, does NOT want to pay for Gonzaga, and does not want to pay for Memphis. ESPN, FOX wants to LOWBALL, RIP OFF OFFER to PAC 7/8, and does not want PAC to get Memphis, recover, etc, and wants PAC 7/8 to die in order to not ever be a threat to Big 10, SEC someday into far off future.

That's why ESPN is lowballing PAC 7/8, just like PAC 7/8 LOW BALLED Memphis, etc.

If PAC 7/8 were to goto CW, TNT, CBS, Prime Video, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, all combined, piecemeal, together, and were to ask "What would PAC be worth if it got Memphis,Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga?", the answer would be about 2,3,4,5, 6,7 mil more per team, per year, then without them, as Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA if added to PAC would make PAC 7/8, worth a extra 2,3,4,5,6 mil more per team, per year.

 

[95coug]

Memphis's AD said, hinted that IF the PAC 12 had made a better offer, like either a concrete, good media deal(like better then BSU, Hawai, MWC's projected 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal(Before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12), or better then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year deal, or a equal media deal, but better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer, the PAC 12 offered to Memphis, etc, to help pay AAC exit fees, that Memphis would consider better.

So if the PAC 12 can either offer Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, either a better then 8 to 10 mil media deal, concrete better media deal number, or offer a lot more then 2.5 mil to help with AAC Exit Fee, then Memphis would be open, consider that, etc.

That's why the PAC is getting media deal numbers like what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, so they can go back to Memphis and Say something like "Hey, here is proof that if you join PAC 12, you'll get about 15 mil."

ESPN, FOX does NOT want to do a media deal, that includes Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, better then 8-10 mil, etc.

So, what you're saying - in a whole lot of extra words - is that if the Pac-12 had more money, Memphis may have said yes.

No shit.

Problem is that the Pac can't offer what they don't have (again...no shit). If they're only getting 8-10M, they're not going to offer Memphis more than that.

Nobody's going to jump ship unless they know they're going to get a better deal somewhere else. Right now, the teams that the Pac-12 can offer a better deal to are low-end G5 and FCS teams. The better G5 conferences/teams are already making what we can more or less guarantee, so they have no incentive.

 

[moxeecoug]

Monty was talking about this yesterday on his podcast and he gave a figure of about $10 million. He may be right or wrong but I also feel it’s too early in the process to know for sure what the media deal will be. He does tend to be a blowhard who isn’t always accurate.

 

[ttowncoug]

Monty was talking about this yesterday on his podcast and he gave a figure of about $10 million. He may be right or wrong but I also feel it’s too early in the process to know for sure what the media deal will be. He does tend to be a blowhard who isn’t always accurate.

The $10M is about what I was guessing a while ago. Rule of thumb I found = $4/viewer x 400K (avg) viewers x 6 games gets you around $9.6M. Add a little bit more for hoops and you get close to that $10M number. To get 15M, we'd need about 200k more viewers and based on current ratings, and how the college football media market is VERY saturated, I don't see it.

Using the above, the Big-12 is WAY overvalued is my guess.

The Big-10 gets a decent chunk of change from their network, so adding all the west coast houses with the Big-10 network brings in a decent amount of revenue.

 

[kougkurt]

What is Gonzaga going to make for basketball only?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

What is Gonzaga going to make for basketball only?

I will bet way too f-ing much. Rumor was they are a full distribution partner for media rights (including FB). Plus the Pac changed NCAA distribution rules so that teams that make the tournament keep half of their allocation, with the rest being split among the Pac, who also pays 100% of associated costs. Good job Teresa. AND, Gonzaga will surely pocket all the OOC game monies that they generate, which will be more significant than Pac earnings.

 

[Cougini5591]

I will bet way too f-ing much. Rumor was they are a full distribution partner for media rights (including FB). Plus the Pac changed NCAA distribution rules so that teams that make the tournament keep half of their allocation, with the rest being split among the Pac, who also pays 100% of associated costs. Good job Teresa. AND, Gonzaga will surely pocket all the OOC game monies that they generate, which will be more significant than Pac earnings.

You know I hate Gonzaga about as much as anyone, but having them in our "new conference" is Golden.

I mean seriously... that's like adding Duke

 

[M-I-Coug]

You know I hate Gonzaga about as much as anyone, but having them in our "new conference" is Golden.

I mean seriously... that's like adding Duke

I look at it differently.

Once Mark Few retires....it will never be the same. Note: I could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong....but one of these years, Few is going to say, "I'm done".

 

[wazzucougs96]

You know I hate Gonzaga about as much as anyone, but having them in our "new conference" is Golden.

I mean seriously... that's like adding Duke

Until Few retires and they just become a financial drain on the league

 

[Cougini5591]

Until Few retires and they just become a financial drain on the league

Or...

They are just like Boise State and will be a pretty solid winning school that gives the middle finger to nay sayers for a very long time.

Boise State might now become 2nd in nut size in the Northwest.

Oregon bought the biggest pair.

Boise State grew theirs.

Our nuts need a blue pill, but are then fantastic.

fuw's shrunk to what is purchased from 25 cent candy machines

 

[froropmkr72]

Even if PAC 7/8, didn't have Memphis, and or Tulane, and or USF, and or UTSA, and only have BSU, Gonzaga, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, THAT'S STILL WAY THE FCK BETTER THEN BSU, Hawai, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, SJSU, BOTTOM SHIT MWC.

BSU, Hawai, MWC was projected to get 8 to 10 mil per team, per year media deal, just before BSU, etc, announced for PAC.

By saying PAC 7/8, BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, not including the PAC 7/8's Gonzaga, etc, is only worth 8-10 mil per team, per year, your basically saying that's not better then BSU, SHITTY HAWAI, MWC, and that BSU, Shitty Hawai, etc, MWC, is equal to BSU, Pac 12, that has no shitty bottom dwellers like a Shitty Hawai.

The whole point to go shopping for a media deal, was to ask questions like: "What would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Gonzaga", or "what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis An or Tulane an or USF An or UTSA?", so that it could go say to Memphis, etc, and say "See the Pac 12 is worth more per team, per year, 15 mil, etc, that more then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year, and OFFER A BETTER DEAL, BETTER, MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS, etc.

The BSU, PAC 7/8, with no shitty bottom dwellers, is BETTER then the BSU, Shit Hawai, MWC, both in competition, name brands, TV, etc. That means the PAC 7/8 with NO shitty bottom dwellers, etc, is worth MORE THEN THE 8-10 mil per team, per year, of the BSU, Shitty Hawai, MWC.

ESPN, FOX, does NOT want to pay for Gonzaga, and does not want to pay for Memphis. ESPN, FOX wants to LOWBALL, RIP OFF OFFER to PAC 7/8, and does not want PAC to get Memphis, recover, etc, and wants PAC 7/8 to die in order to not ever be a threat to Big 10, SEC someday into far off future.

That's why ESPN is lowballing PAC 7/8, just like PAC 7/8 LOW BALLED Memphis, etc.

If PAC 7/8 were to goto CW, TNT, CBS, Prime Video, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, all combined, piecemeal, together, and were to ask "What would PAC be worth if it got Memphis,Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga?", the answer would be about 2,3,4,5, 6,7 mil more per team, per year, then without them, as Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA if added to PAC would make PAC 7/8, worth a extra 2,3,4,5,6 mil more per team, per year.

Good to have you back !!! Ru in Arizona?

 

[froropmkr72]

Until Few retires and they just become a financial drain on the league

Good luck to that.

 

[mikalalas]

So, what you're saying - in a whole lot of extra words - is that if the Pac-12 had more money, Memphis may have said yes.

No shit.

Problem is that the Pac can't offer what they don't have (again...no shit). If they're only getting 8-10M, they're not going to offer Memphis more than that.

Nobody's going to jump ship unless they know they're going to get a better deal somewhere else. Right now, the teams that the Pac-12 can offer a better deal to are low-end G5 and FCS teams. The better G5 conferences/teams are already making what we can more or less guarantee, so they have no incentive.

The MWC before BSU left to goto PAC, was projected to get, be worth 8-10 mil per team, per year, media deal. That was with horseshit bottom dwellers like Hawai, Nevada, etc.

BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, Gonzaga, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, with no shitty bottom dwellers like Hawai, etc, is way the FCK hell better competition, better brand names, better TV, etc, worth more then the 8-10 mil per team, per year, the MWC was worth, before BSU left. To disagree with is totally illogical, does not compute.

Gonzaga alone increases the value to 11,12,13 mil per team, per year.

If add Memphis that number jumps to 12,13,14 mil per team per year. If then add Tulane, that number jumps to 13,14,15 mil per team per year. If then add USF, that number jumps to about 14,15,16 mil per team, per year. If then add UTSA that number jumps to about 15,16,17 mil per team, per year.

Anything less then that is a FCKING LOWBALL, FCKING RIP OFF OFFER, since the PAC 7/8/12 IS WAY FCKING BETTER THEN THE MWC, THAT HAD SHITTY HAWAI, ETC, THAT PROJECTED to get 8-10 mil per year.

Disagree with that and your basically saying that PAC 7,8 is not better, worth more then the 8-10 mil per team, per year of SHITTY HAWAI, SHITTY NEVADA, SHITTY NEW MEXICO, etc, which is completely illogical, does not compute.

 

[moxeecoug]

The $10M is about what I was guessing a while ago. Rule of thumb I found = $4/viewer x 400K (avg) viewers x 6 games gets you around $9.6M. Add a little bit more for hoops and you get close to that $10M number. To get 15M, we'd need about 200k more viewers and based on current ratings, and how the college football media market is VERY saturated, I don't see it.

Using the above, the Big-12 is WAY overvalued is my guess.

The Big-10 gets a decent chunk of change from their network, so adding all the west coast houses with the Big-10 network brings in a decent amount of revenue.

You could be right about the $10 million but it’s extremely early in the process to know for sure what the media deal will be. I think we will have a much better idea come spring.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Or...

They are just like Boise State and will be a pretty solid winning school that gives the middle finger to nay sayers for a very long time.

Boise State might now become 2nd in nut size in the Northwest.

Oregon bought the biggest pair.

Boise State grew theirs.

Our nuts need a blue pill, but are then fantastic.

fuw's shrunk to what is purchased from 25 cent candy machines

college basketball is littered with small catholic schools that were good under an HOF coach and couldn't sustain it after they retired

 

[ttowncoug]

You could be right about the $10 million but it’s extremely early in the process to know for sure what the media deal will be. I think we will have a much better idea come spring.

It's all about viewers if our TV deal is going to be "linear."

I suspect the Zags bring in a decent amount of viewer per game, so getting to $10M is a math exercise.

 

[dgibbons]

What has ESPN been airing in the 7:30 pm time slot? Big XII games?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

It's all about viewers if our TV deal is going to be "linear."

I suspect the Zags bring in a decent amount of viewer per game, so getting to $10M is a math exercise.

If you think so. What kind of viewership do they get for WCC games? The thing is, nobody gives a shit about Gonzaga during FB season. So they move the needle exactly zero. Basketball? Different story, but the hype and TV exposure comes in their Non-Con schedule against mostly top teams. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see them adding $10M to the Pac's bottom line.