And Yet Our “Fans” Continue To Question Leach
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Nice try, but you will never get past buffoons like this guy. Somehow paying $3.5 million is now "guaranteed" championship money. Also let's only hone in on 6-7 this year, and totally forget 11-2 last year, mainly 11-2 because that does not fit the narrative. This idiot's header claims to have position in education, which also is troubling ( but that is another subject)
Actually hope for the mental health of some of the WSU fan base that the team goes 4-8 next year but also wins the Apple Cup. It would be entertaining to see some twisted idiot brain cells explode.
Actually hope for the mental health of some of the WSU fan base that the team goes 4-8 next year but also wins the Apple Cup. It would be entertaining to see some twisted idiot brain cells explode.
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I think a lot of people actually think that $3.5 mil is championship money. Never mind that everyone else is paying at least in the same range while the top programs are well over 5/6. By this logic, every team in the P5 would have 9-10+ wins every year somehow while playing each other. Maybe every conference should take an exaggerated SEC schedule approach and only have 2 conference games and the rest FCS non-cons.
Chris Reykdal is the Superintendent of Public Instruction.
You'd like he'd be the last guy to complain about an educator (Leach) getting paid.
6 of the wins during the decade were Wulff.
More if Jeff Tuel wasn't inserted into Idaho State game, right CougEd?
1990-1999 was the best decade in program history.
Reykdal is a soy boy douche bag. Nuff Said. Oh and Happy 2020 Y'all.
What percentage of our fans are questioning Leach? I’d say empirically that Leach has the support of over 85% of our true fan base. Those fans who donate to the CAF and/or attend games frequently.
I doubt there are many head coaches in P5 schools with a higher alumni approval rating than Leach.
I doubt there are many head coaches in P5 schools with a higher alumni approval rating than Leach.
The 1998 Rose Bowl puts that decade in the conversation but there was a lot of disappointment in that decade. Three good seasons and seven bad seasons. Five seasons with 4 wins or less. Was that really a great decade?
The 80's featured five bowl eligible seasons but the five other seasons were pretty mediocre. If they had 12 game seasons and the number of bowl games we have today, that decade would most likely feature the most wins in program history.
The 00's were actually similar to the 90's but featured one additional bowl eligible season. However, the Wulff era tainted the end of that decade so badly that it isn't in the discussion.
2010-19 is arguably the best decade by virtue of our six bowl appearances and the most wins in a single season. Unfortunately, our inability to win a majority of those bowl appearances puts a bit of a damper on it. Plus, it took until the third game of the 2015 to wipe the stink of Wulff from the program completely.
I personally feel that we are living in the golden age of Cougar football and that we'll be much better this upcoming season. I wouldn't trade our current situation for the 90's again. (Although I would like to beat the stinkin' mutts once in a while).
I haven't posted at all lately because the board has been inundated with a lot of bitching, whining, and illogical posts. I read one or two posts and just stop. So much stupidity. Frankly, some in our fan base have become entitled like fans of the huskies and Oregon.
Damn those fans who aspire for the Cougs to win the Pac-12 and beat the Dawgs. You aren't real Cougars. Real Cougars are resigned to the fact that neither is possible, they accept the annual beat down, the guarantee of being undermanned and that ultimately coming up short is inevitable.
If you play football to compete with grace, this decade was the best in school history. If play football to win the Pac-12, it was a failure, no different than the 1980s. If beating the Huskies is an important measure, particularly good Husky teams, this decade was the disaster.
I would hazard a guess that fans who witnessed the 1980s or were in Husky stadium in 1997, don't see this decade as the height of Cougar football.
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Youd never know Leach went 11-2 last year. Apparently the expectations are to build on that and go 12-1 this year and 13-0 next year.
Rebuilding years aren't allowed or expected. How many coaches have been poached off this staff now ? 4 including a DC ? That doesn't happen to Alabama.
You just described me and I do think that this is the height of Cougar football. One winning season every three years, even with going to the Rose Bowl, is not more successful. It took Mike Price until his 9th year to make the Rose Bowl. He had only three winning seasons before that season.
Mike Leach is fine and I believe WSU will get better the longer he is here, just like what happened with Price.
For me, the highs of the 90s eclipsed the continuity of the last decade with Leach.
The 92’ Apple Cup, Bledsoe becoming the #1 pick, the 94’ defense being the best in the Nation, the 97’ team winning the league title and becoming the best team in program history by a wide margin. The only team in modern WSU history that was a legitimate top-5 team in the Nation capable of winning the playoff if it existed. The fact that we won 2 of the bowl games and lost an epic Rose Bowl for the ages. That UW was a co—National Champion and at their programs peak, yet we still managed to attain our greatest achievements in the same decade.
Leach had been an absolute savior for our program, the 90s were the best. The highest highs WSU has ever reached.
Well, if you take a more holistic view than just records/titles I’d say this decade is the best. The stadium renovation and FOB itself is pretty awesome. The game experience when that place is packed, the noise? Now throw in the best administrative support we’ve ever had for FB with EF (RIP) and KS. Some people still have reservations about Chun but I think he’s outstanding. Leach and the excitement he has brought along with consistent winning. College Gameday? Yeah it’s been a pretty good decade.
Really ?
So firing Leach and replacing him with some hypothetical coach would miraculously suddenly mean that WSU would be better positioned to beat UW and to win the Pac12 ? That is the logic. Leach is basically holding the program back from these accomplishments, I guess is the argument.
I can see if Leach let's the program get stale it would be time to try something new. However hard to see 11-2 followed by 6-7 is stale.
As for the Dawgs, why people do not see they are entering uncharted waters is almost comical. Who is Lake's OC ? Who is even rumored ? Who plays QB next year and what offense are they even going to run ? Everyone points to Lakes' defenses as the reason for the AC problem. That is a naive . Analytically the unit that has vastly out performed their season norms in that game is the UW offense. What that unit even is next year is anyone's guess. Lake damn sure doesn't have an offensive background so the OC is most important hire the man will ever make.
I hope you are right . Do you see recruiting getting better , same , or worse as he gets longer into his tenure?
I hope 2019 was the anomaly. I hope he strings together back to back 2013 classes and I think that would elevate the program to where they are Pac 12 N champs .
Lake hire is a joke.
Apparently the rebuild Leach did at WSU was nothing special and anybody could win here.
Here’s what’s gonna happen with Lake. UW fans actually think he’s gonna take them a notch up from Petey. He’s not. The pressure is going to quickly build. He’s from the same school of coaching as Tosh, and he’s gonna start passing out gym bags and coffee cups. He’s gonna get caught. UW will go on probation again.
That or he will end up with a bunch of lawless renegades like Neweasil and they’ll need to hire a Willingham to come in and clean up the mess.
If you follow FSU , the Willie Taggart experience this year is a pretty close scenario, hes in over his head. I wonder what Lakes contract looks like, my guess is they are going to owe him a lot of money when they have to hold a real coaching search.
There are some good arguments for which decade was best.
Overall I think the last 10 years was the best because the Cougs went from being one of the worst in all of college football to having the most wins for the team in any decade.
Showing major improvement, have higher expectations and most importantly I truly believe that if CML ever leaves the program that the team won't drop into the dark ages (see Oregon State of the 80s).
This team now has a real identity that still has room for improvement (i.e. a true dual threat QB - See Hawaii recruit)
If they get average defense they will always have a winning season.
If they get great defense or at least a defense filled with upper classmen then double digit wins is a real possibility.
The 1997 Rose bowl was something special but I believe it was followed by a zero win conference record in 1998. Great year - but not necessarily the greatest decade.
Speaking of Rose bowl it starts in a few hours. Always a great scene when they show the overhead view of the packed stadium. Looking forward to the day the Cougs get there again.
Overall I think the last 10 years was the best because the Cougs went from being one of the worst in all of college football to having the most wins for the team in any decade.
Showing major improvement, have higher expectations and most importantly I truly believe that if CML ever leaves the program that the team won't drop into the dark ages (see Oregon State of the 80s).
This team now has a real identity that still has room for improvement (i.e. a true dual threat QB - See Hawaii recruit)
If they get average defense they will always have a winning season.
If they get great defense or at least a defense filled with upper classmen then double digit wins is a real possibility.
The 1997 Rose bowl was something special but I believe it was followed by a zero win conference record in 1998. Great year - but not necessarily the greatest decade.
Speaking of Rose bowl it starts in a few hours. Always a great scene when they show the overhead view of the packed stadium. Looking forward to the day the Cougs get there again.
Stop beating on a straw man. No one is talking about canning Leach. People are talking about changes to improve his weaknesses in recruiting, offensive predictability, defense and developing staff stability. That is it. However, there is are a group of fans, including you, who treat any and all criticisms of Leach like it is treason, North Korean styles. It is time to grown up, unless you are beating the Dawgs regularly and winning championships you are open to fair criticism. 11-2 is great, but no one compares 2002 with 1997 for one reason -- even Rose Bowl run is diminished by a tight Husky loss.
Honestly, are you hoping Lake sucks so the playing field is more level. Son, completion is about beating teams at their best, not catching them when they are down to cover up your own failings.
Leach is probably the greatest coach in program history and should be retained indefinitely with continued 6+ win seasons + bowls. That’s where I park my car.
That said, what is the obsession with shutting down all dissent? If people resolve to never be happy until there is not a man standing who disagrees, they will never allow themselves to be happy.
This board is interesting precisely because of discussion of different viewpoints. With total lockstep agreement, there is nothing to discuss but rumors.
That said, what is the obsession with shutting down all dissent? If people resolve to never be happy until there is not a man standing who disagrees, they will never allow themselves to be happy.
This board is interesting precisely because of discussion of different viewpoints. With total lockstep agreement, there is nothing to discuss but rumors.
Unfortunately they don’t have Maleng in the court system anymore to give out get out of jail free cards
This is big boy football. Nick Saban gets questioned when he blows out a team by 50 and some fans wondered why he called a draw play late in the game .
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Willie Taggart is the most famous example of a major successful p5 program ,FSU, making a disastrous hire where the coach is in way over his head.
I foresee the exact same scenario for Washington.
Willie Taggart is the most famous example of a major successful p5 program ,FSU, making a disastrous hire where the coach is in way over his head.
I foresee the exact same scenario for Washington.
Is that fence post white ?
There are more apt comparison beside their skin tone. For example would an assistant coach like Lambright taking over a program be a more suitable comparison as Lambo didn’t have head coaching experience .
Taggart had success as a head football coach . So much so two major universities hired him. Seems odd you would link taggart and Lake. Even a more apt comparison would be Wulff and Lake .
Those are damned good arguments for that being a great decade. Before Leach was hired and we were talking about what we expected from WSU, the blueprint established by Price from 1992 to 2002 was one that I felt that I could live with. Kind of crappy one year, getting better in the next year or two and than a really great season once every 3-4 years. Rinse and repeat. It wasn't perfect but we went into every season feeling that it might be a special year. Can't help but wonder how Price would have done if he had stayed at WSU. Personally, I think that he missed out on becoming a true coaching legend in search of that brass ring.
This upcoming season is going to be a real measure of Leach and the program. Can we get back to the 9+ win level? Or do we see 2020 turn into 2007? Personally, I'm excited about the upcoming season and I still believe that we are building to something great with Leach. The Rose Bowl in 1997 was in Price's 9th year. In his first 8 years, Price's best two seasons were a combined 17-7. Not terrible, but not as good as Leach's 20-6 record in his two best seasons. I think we have a high ceiling going forward.
I think some people are talking about firing Leach. He makes them uncomfortable. They can’t handle that.
Lambo is the apt comparison. And in comparing the two of them, I would say Lambo succeeding James was something I was resigned to, but I didn’t really think he was smart enough—I had met him a couple times before he got the job. I’m not concerned about that with Lake from what I’ve seen of him.
I think there are better comparisons but people nowadays seem to be pretty quick to start insinuating racial undertones when a comparison is made about players, coaches, etc. It’s annoying.
