Anthony Mathis
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Probably back up plan B to back up in case not get Quinten Post the 7 footer from Germany
Seriously doubt that going to need that plan B, as WSU is probably going to Commit, and sign 2 out of 3:
Jamon Kemp, Post, Harris.
But suppose there chance of Grad Transfer, Jamon
Or
Grad Transfer, Harris
Or
Grad Transfer, Post
But really doubt that, and think its probably going to be 2 out of Jamon Kemp, Post, Harris
But still nice to have a plan B, like this grad transfer an or Goldy.
Seriously doubt that going to need that plan B, as WSU is probably going to Commit, and sign 2 out of 3:
Jamon Kemp, Post, Harris.
But suppose there chance of Grad Transfer, Jamon
Or
Grad Transfer, Harris
Or
Grad Transfer, Post
But really doubt that, and think its probably going to be 2 out of Jamon Kemp, Post, Harris
But still nice to have a plan B, like this grad transfer an or Goldy.
Well Kemp is pretty much almost a done deal.
Kemp is interested in WSU. He liked his official visit. There is a photo of him Kemp with CJ, Noah Williams. And he retweeted a tweet from WSU about NBA Dad's Weekend with Guy Williams, Shawn Kemp, Dennis Rodman.
All that pretty much means good chance Kemp will commit and sign.
Like you I hope that WSU gets Post, because WSU needs the BIG.
But getting a Post, BIG doesnt mean that WSU cant get both Post, Kemp
WSU has 2 Schollies left. If WSU gets Post, then it would be between Kemp, and Harris, if both want to commit, sign with WSU.
In that situation, I want Kemp over Harris.
And I think WSU would take Kemp over Harris in that kind of situation.
1. I think Kemp is slightly better then Harris.
2. Kemp kept up stats wise with 5 star teammate Marjon
3. Kemp has NBA bloodlines
4. Kemp from in state Beach HS,
5. Because of above, getting Kemp would tap Beach HS pipeline, establish westside, Beach HS pipeline connection.
6. Recruiting a son of a former NBA superstar, all star almost but not quite future Hall of Famer will bring spotlight to WSU, help future recruiting.
So I want Post and Kemp.
But if no get Post, then Kemp and Harris would be good.
I wonder if Kemp might be a bit of an academic risk, otherwise he'd be getting more interest from schools other than Montana.
Glad Cougar
Glad Cougar
We have two open spots. Kemp has NBA bloodlines and has shown plenty of interest online in the Cougs. I think this is a done deal unless there is something I'm missing. Regardless, I like him more than Harris and it would be great to have a trip of freshmen with dad's who played in the NBA.
Post would be great as well as we need a big.
-mikalalas (if he had an editor or was concise)
Post would be great as well as we need a big.
-mikalalas (if he had an editor or was concise)
Also, Shawn Bradley's daughter is on the volleyball team:
https://wsucougars.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5519
There has been “talk” that he is qualified but it was not expected. Sounds a bit like the Casto deal but that’s of course speculation on my part.
Klay was a 4 star, and didnt get hardly any offers other then WSU kind of like Kemp.
I suspect, believe, think, that Kemp was a late bloomer.
Because of that a lot of other P5, good Mid Majors, were already focused on others.
Thats why Kemp slipped under the radar, thru cracks.
Then when colleges finally started to take interest in Kemp, the rumor about academic risk came out.
Then by the time that concern was put to rest, because Kemp either qualified academically, or will qualify academically, by that time, other colleges had again focused on others, and Kemp again slipped thru cracks, went under the radar again.
Then by the time other colleges became interested again, they either had their schollie spots taken by other players, and so because of that didnt want to offer.
Or they thought that Kemp would probably commit, sign with WSU, so they didnt bother to offer.
If Kemp had not been a late bloomer, and if had been no academic risk, and since Kemp did just as good as 5 star teammate Marjon, then Kemp would have been a 4 star, and had LOTS of offers.
So because of those things, then can't, shouldn't read to much into Kemp only getting offered from Montana.
Kemp is the real deal. He is, should be a 4 star talent, athletically, skill wise.
And since Shawn Kemp is his father, he should have plenty of money to help him qualify academically, if he hasnt already, and to TUTOR him while he is in college.
Klay was a 4 star who fell through the cracks and I think Kemp may be similar. Kemp's a late bloomer athletically and his grades were a big question mark. With those questions resolved, we might be getting a steal.
-mikalalas (if he had an editor or could be concise)
-mikalalas (if he had an editor or could be concise)
Klay was an unreal get. I remember waiting for the inevitable offer at the last minute from another Pac 10 program but for whatever ridiculous reason it never came. There were no qualifications issues with Klay. Other programs simply didn’t see the obvious talent. The amazing thing was he was such an unselfish player as well.
If Kemp has academic issues there are some risk but if he’s a good kid that wants to do well in school those things can be easily overcome and we would be a good fit.
One big difference between Klay & Kemp is the fact that WSU signed Klay in the early signing period. He was good his junior year but really blew up his senior year. Had he not signed his LOI in the fall, I have no doubt some very good schools would've been all over him. As it was, I think he had an offer from Michigan among others. Kemp did not sign in the fall and many if not most schools handed out their scholarships to HS kids in the fall....which may partly explain why Montana was the only other offer this spring. Hope he lands in Pullman!
Glad Cougar
Pretty much the only way that Kemp doesnt commit, sign with WSU, is if:
WSU uses its last 2 scholarships to commit, sign, choose two other recruits over Kemp.
Some other blueblood program like Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc, offers Kemp.
Other then that, Kemp, commiting, signing with WSU, is almost pretty much almost a done deal, for reasons I have explained.
WSU uses its last 2 scholarships to commit, sign, choose two other recruits over Kemp.
Some other blueblood program like Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc, offers Kemp.
Other then that, Kemp, commiting, signing with WSU, is almost pretty much almost a done deal, for reasons I have explained.
I don’t remember his full list of offers but he was down to us, Michigan, & Notre Dame. Gonzaga was interested but may not have technically offered because I don’t believe Klay wanted to play in a mid-major conference. He also really wanted to play in the Pac 10.
I’m still amazed by the lack of another Pac 10 offer.
Pull back on the reins a tad bit! I’ve watched Kemp play 3 times (2 at the state tournament and once last summer) he is a good recruit especially at this point in the game but he is right where he belongs in regards to recruiting. Montana would love to have him and would expect production right away, WSU would love to have him as a athletic player with potential to develop into a productive player down the road. We need to stop all the hype and try to evaluate these kids objectively. No way is this kid on the radar of Duke, North Carolina ect...
Also our chances of landing Kemp seem to be pretty high but I wouldn’t read to much into the fact he liked or retweeted something that had his name in it... that’s just what kids do
If we do sign him (I hope we do) I say we keep the expectations realistic and give the kid a chance to develop before we start planning for his NBA career.
Also our chances of landing Kemp seem to be pretty high but I wouldn’t read to much into the fact he liked or retweeted something that had his name in it... that’s just what kids do
If we do sign him (I hope we do) I say we keep the expectations realistic and give the kid a chance to develop before we start planning for his NBA career.
Then going by your logic, 5 star Beach HS Kemp Teammate, Marjon Beauchamp should not be a 5 star, is overhyped, should not get interest from Kentucky, North Carolina, etc, because KEMP HAD EITHER ALMOST THE SAME STAT PRODUCTION, EITHER A LITTLE TINY BIT LESS OR SAME OR A LITTLE TINY BIT MORE AGAINST THE SAME COMPETITION.
THAT MEANS THAT MARJON AND KEMP ARE ABOUT THE SAME ATHLETIC, SKILL LEVEL.
So that either means Kemp should be a 4 star, Marjon a 5 star like he is.
Or
Kemp should be a 2,3 star, and Marjon a 3,4 star instead of a 5 star.
Also tho you have seen him LAST SUMMER, that was about 1.5 years ago.
A lot can change in 1 year at HS level. He is a LATE BLOOMER.
And tho you said you saw him in ONLY ONE game this year, he Kemp could have had a bad, down game that game, or you coukd have failed to notice some thinngs.
I saw, watch a LOT of video of Kemp against Beach HS competition, and in AAU.
I also watched a LOT of video of Kemp's 5 star teammate Marjon.
And I compared the 2, Kemp and Marjon. Both looked FREAKING AMAZING.
And KEMP LOOKED JUST AS GOOD AS MARJON.
And KEMP PRETTY MUCH HAD ALMOST THE SAME PRODUCTION, STATS, ATHLETICS, ETC.
Kemp:
ATHLETICISM:
4/4.5/5 stars
Ball handling:
3,4,5 star ball handling.
Speed, Quickness, LATERAL QUICKNESS
4,5 STAR
Offensive Lateral quickness:
4,5 star
Driving ability:
4,5 star
My Commentary:
His ability to be SHIFTY, juke, jive, break ankles, twist, contort, slither, slide, spin, dive, slash, drive, beat defenders off dribble, finish at rim.
This is like Tim Hardaway, Allen Iverson
He was beating, driving, finishing at rim against EVERYONE
Passing ability, assist:
2.5/3/3.5 stars
Rebounding
2.5/3/3.5 stars
Scoring:
3/4/5 stars
Shooting:
3/4 stars
Lay ups, dunks, runners, teardrops:
4/5 stars
Mid range jumpers
2.5/3/3.5 stars
3 pointers
2/2.5/3 stars
Turn around Jumpers, Fade aways
1.5/2/2.5 stars
My Commentary:
The very fact that he Kemp is able to hit college, NBA like turn around, fade away jumpers is pretty good.
Defense
3/3.5/4(4.5 stars at highest)stars
Blocking shots
3.5/4/4.5 stars
Steals
3.5/4/4.5 stars
Defensive Lateral Quickness, the ability to not get beat off dribble
3/3.5/4 stars
Stats
3/4/5 stars
Offensive stats
3.5/4/4.5 stars
Defensive Stats
3/3.5/4 stars
Overall
About a 3.75/4/4.3 star player.
NOT Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, 5 star, NBA
BUT with a LOT of UPSIDE and POTENTIAL to maybe become Kentucky, North Carolins, Duke, NBA, 5 star
Also I am not saying he is NBA, North Carolina, Duke, etc.
The only reason I said UNLESS KENTUCKY OFFERS HIM(Hell would freeze over first), HE IS PROBABLY GOING TO WSU:
Was to say how much of a done deal Kemp pretty much is.
Not to say that Kentucky would offer, should offer, etc.
But with his RAW UPSIDE POTENTIAL
NBA bloodlines
Semi Low to Mid Power 5 teams, Semi Mid to Semi High Mid Major teams should be offering.
Also let me put it another way:
Kemp is way the hell better already then Murphy that committed to then decommited from WSU, that Pitt offered.
If given a choice between Murphy, or Kemp, I would take Kemp over Murphy.
And Pitt offered Murphy.
And Pitt is a good basketball program
If Pitt is going to offer Murphy, Pitt should have offered Kent.
Pretty much the ONLY REASONS why Kemp didnt get more interest:
ACADEMIC RISK
LATE BLOOMER
RAW, UNDEVELOPED
if not for those things, Kemp would be a 4 star COMPARABLE to 5 STAR MARJON
I watched Mount Spokane beat Rainer Beach at the state tournament. Jamon Kemp is very athletic but Jerry Twenge did a nice job guarding him and he is going to Whitworth last I heard. I’m not trying to down play Kemp’s potential but this crazy overhyping of players is crazy
FYI by far the second best player in that game behind Marjon was Sophmore Tyson Deganhart from Mount Spokane!! Hopefully we are actively recruiting him
FYI by far the second best player in that game behind Marjon was Sophmore Tyson Deganhart from Mount Spokane!! Hopefully we are actively recruiting him
I'm not going to try to summarize this other than to say high school stats mean a lot to this poster, even though scouts could care less about them. Also, talent ratings agencies like rivals could care less about academics.
Like I said 1 game. Look I am not saying that Mt Spokane wasnt a awesome team.
But Mount Spokane is to Beach HS, what Dick Tony Bennet's WSU teams were to Arizona, UCLA, etc.
Unathletic 1,2 star SLOW Harmeling defensively shut down Arizona, UCLA, 4, 5 star players
If Harmeling can do it vs 5 star, Arizona, UCLA players, that Mount Spokane, Whitworth player can do the same vs Kemp by using DICK BENNET BALL DEFENSE.
Thats probably why Mount Spokane did so good. Better coached, Good DICK BENNETBALL play.
Because Mount Spokane DOES NOT HAVE BETTER STAR RANKED, ATHLETIC, TALENT, SKILL, ETC, players then Beach HS.
Even Beach HS, worst player is probably better then Mount Spokane Players.
Beach, and Garfield HS's have been a 3,4,5 star, college, sometimes NBA FACTORIES
Tyson Deganhart just probably had a good game, and probably better coached, technique, etc, and is probably a Harmeling, Low, Rochestie, Weaver, etc
Just because Harmeling, Low, Rochestie, Tyson Deganhart were BENNETBALLED, does not mean you take them over Kemp, higher rated, BETTER, but not BENNETBALLED, not Bennet ball type players.
Im pretty sure that Tyson Deganhart is, would be a 3 star at extreme best, and more likely about a 2 star to 2.5 star, to 2.75 star, and will probably goto to Div, 1,2,3 whitworth, NAIA, Community College, Mid Major at best, also.
You dont choose a player like that over Kemp, an or say WSU should try to get him, that had a ONE awesome BENNETBALL game over a Beach HS, Kemp.
Thats the power of BENNETBALL. BENNETBALL can beat the BEST teams, best players.
There is no doubt that if Mount Spokane didnt BENNETBALL, Beach HS would win 9 out of 10 games.
And even with BENNETBALL, Beach probably wins 6,7, 6.5 games out of every 10 against Mount Spokane.
Also why is it that never hear about, no hype of ANY of Mt Spokane players?
And why is it one of their best players is going to Whitworth?
Answer its because Mount Spokane Players are not as good as Kemp, Beach HS players.
And I think most Power 5 colleges would recruit Kemp, Beach HS players over Mount Spokane, Harmeling, Low, Rochestie, Weaver, BENNETBALL players
Another thing. If Kent was head coach, would want a BENNETBALL PLAYER.
but since Smith is a BENNETBALL LIKE head coach then you take a Kemp over a lesser BENNETBALL recruit, because you can turn a BETTER PLAYER, RECRUIT into a BENNETBALL like player, by Smith a BENNETBALL like coach
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It works like this:
If your academics suck, are a risk of not qualifying, an or dropping out, etc:
Then colleges not offer.
If colleges not offer, it affects your recruit ranking.
This is why when Leach offers a 1,2, NR recruit. Then other colleges also offer because Leach offered. Then that player often goes from 1,2, NR to 3,4 star.
So lack of offers due to academic risk absolutly lowers a recruit's recruit ranking
Colleges are unlikely to offer if you have bad grades, but Roberto Gittens is proof that you don't need to be able to read to be a 4 star recruit.
Thanks for showing your work, but your conclusions are built on premises that aren't true.
Thanks for showing your work, but your conclusions are built on premises that aren't true.
Tyson Deganhart was the second best player in Spokane behind Watson who was the state player of the year. Watson is going to GU and rumors are that zags have offered Deganhart he is 6-7 athletic, skilled and has a high basketball IQ. Oh and he’s expected to reach 6-9 as he is only a sophomore.
If the ranking system isn’t based on evaluation but rather on offers/ hype then it’s more worthless than I thought!
Plus Deganhart was first team all state as a sophomore, Kemp didn’t make honorable mention.
If the ranking system isn’t based on evaluation but rather on offers/ hype then it’s more worthless than I thought!
Plus Deganhart was first team all state as a sophomore, Kemp didn’t make honorable mention.
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Kemp not Kent, accidently typed Kent
And its not just the Academics
ACADEMIC PROBLEMS, RISK
+
LATE BLOOMER
+
RAW Undeveloped
Can =
Lower recruit ranking.
That because recruiting starts early when kids are 7th to 10,11th grade
LATE BLOOMERS are going to be lower ranked because of that.
Then you add academic risk to being a late bloomer, and recruit ranking is lowered even more.
Then you add Raw, Undeveloped, and that lowers recruit ranking even more.
Typically each of these things decreases star ranking by .50 to .75 of 1 star per each thing.
That leaves a ranking about 3 stars.
If Kemp wasnt a late bloomer. Wasnt a academic risk, wasnt raw, undeveloped, he Kemp would probably be about between a 3.5 star to 4 star, probably about a 3.75 star
Also I think Kemp compares to HS Ike Iroegbu, HS Que, both 4 stars recruits when they were in highschool.
Especially Ike Iroegbu, who like Kemp, was a academic risk, was raw, undeveloped.
Ok I stand corrected. But even tho Deganhart had that about him, he hasnt been as hyped as Watson, Marjon, Kemp, others
Still the BENNETBALL comment point about Mount Spokane, Mount Spokane Players, still applies as to why Kemp, Beach had a down game.
Agreed. The kid from Mt Spokane would start at Beach, no question. He’ll start picking up offers after this AAU circuit. He does need to grow a couple more inches but he’s on par with where Watson was as a sophomore - maybe even slightly ahead.
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True, but I'm looking forward to Smith making us a legit program again. He's got a lot of cleaning up to do after Kent's mess.
But you ripped Leon Rice when you though he'd replace Ernie Kent.
Anybody who thinks Ernie Kent should've received another year at WSU has no credibility when it comes to commenting on coaches.
Glad Cougar
I don't have an issue with supporting Kent. I wanted him to succeed and worried the replacement wouldn't be worth paying his salary plus the dead money we'd owe Ernie.
However, this outs ElC. Not as an idiot, but as a troll. When he through Leon Rice was going to be our head coach, he needed to attack the guy and Boise St program. Now that we hired Smith, Rice is a great coach. This is transparent trolling. Fortunately it's easy to dig up past posts to show it for what it is.
He also did something similar with Deion James. Said a lot of positive things about him when Kent was recruiting him, ripped him as a bum when Smith brought him to Pullman.
