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I don't ever see UW coming to Pullman again, and honestly I don't blame them. Once they're in different conferences, what's their motivation to play a road non-conference game in a 32K seat stadium?

For the same reasons we don't play road games at Idaho, Eastern, Montana, etc., UW won't come to Pullman. We can either play them annually in Seahawk Stadium or not at all. That would hurt us a lot more than it will hurt them.
Because we’ve done it this way for 100 years. If we stay P5 it’s a non starter unless it’s a home/home. They are the ones that bolted, they don’t get to dictate.

If we don’t stay P5 take it off the table. It will be an annual drubbing and even uw fans will get sick of it.
 
Because we’ve done it this way for 100 years. If we stay P5 it’s a non starter unless it’s a home/home. They are the ones that bolted, they don’t get to dictate.

If we don’t stay P5 take it off the table. It will be an annual drubbing and even uw fans will get sick of it.
They claim they want the apple cup to continue, that means home and home only. If not it isnt the apple cup any longer
 
Seattle games suck. They invested the infrastructure in Pullman...use it.
I understand the passion and your point. However, a soldout Apple Cup in the Seahawks stadium will pay us more than a soldout game in Pullman, and put more money into the athletic budget. I would only consider it if ALL Apple Cups are played there, no more Husky Stadium if they don't come to Pullman.
 
I understand the passion and your point. However, a soldout Apple Cup in the Seahawks stadium will pay us more than a soldout game in Pullman, and put more money into the athletic budget. I would only consider it if ALL Apple Cups are played there, no more Husky Stadium if they don't come to Pullman.
Here's the deal. The vast majority of the people who have moved to Seattle in the last decade are tech employees, thanks to Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft and T-Mobile. Not to mention the thousands of other tech startups and companies. Boeing hardly makes a dent anymore, but you do have Blue Origin and SpaceX here too.

These IT folks have generally moved here from California and all around the country. In addition, we have a huge growth from international people with green cards. Many like cricket, or maybe soccer, but certainly not college football.

They don't watch it. They don't care. The vast majority don't care about Washington or Washington State, especially football. I highly doubt Lumen Field becomes a sellout, because, one...a ton of people still would rather watch it at home, but mostly....

King County is a totally different and diversified international culture now. In fact, on the Eastside, I think there are more Tesla owners than anywhere else in the United States. If I were to ask everyone who owns and drives a Tesla...hey do you watch Husky Football or Cougar Football, I bet you 5% would say, "yes".

That's right. I said 5%. Most are not from here and truly don't care, don't know, and have no interest.
 
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I understand the passion and your point. However, a soldout Apple Cup in the Seahawks stadium will pay us more than a soldout game in Pullman, and put more money into the athletic budget. I would only consider it if ALL Apple Cups are played there, no more Husky Stadium if they don't come to Pullman.

You don’t spend $60,000,000+ on facilities to not play games there.

Selling out is what WSU football has done for 100 years. It hasn’t worked.

If playing body bag games was the path to building a winning program, please show me 20 schools that have done it.

Selling out, is exactly that.
 
I get it, sorry I should have been more clear. I don't want to see Apple cups played in Seattle when they should be in Pullman, I am just saying someone it going to try to use that logic to try to make it work. And there is going to be a lot of pressure applied, If the game isn't in Pullman every other year, no Apple Cup, that's my stance and I have made it before.

I don't know how much WSU nets from a game in Pullman, but it is probably about 800K- 1 million at the most, if even that. There will be financial pressure to move it, I just hope they don't.
 
I get it, sorry I should have been more clear. I don't want to see Apple cups played in Seattle when they should be in Pullman, I am just saying someone it going to try to use that logic to try to make it work. And there is going to be a lot of pressure applied, If the game isn't in Pullman every other year, no Apple Cup, that's my stance and I have made it before.

I don't know how much WSU nets from a game in Pullman, but it is probably about 800K- 1 million at the most, if even that. There will be financial pressure to move it, I just hope they don't.
Yeah UW will. And they will also say they should get 60% of the gate or some bullshit just like they did when this was proposed many years ago and thankfully we held firm and told them to piss off. Hopefully our present leadership will have the same fortitude although I’m doubtful right now.
 
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Here's the deal. The vast majority of the people who have moved to Seattle in the last decade are tech employees, thanks to Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft and T-Mobile. Not to mention the thousands of other tech startups and companies. Boeing hardly makes a dent anymore, but you do have Blue Origin and SpaceX here too.

These IT folks have generally moved here from California and all around the country. In addition, we have a huge growth from international people with green cards. Many like cricket, or maybe soccer, but certainly not college football.

They don't watch it. They don't care. The vast majority don't care about Washington or Washington State, especially football. I highly doubt Lumen Field becomes a sellout, because, one...a ton of people still would rather watch it at home, but mostly....

King County is a totally different and diversified international culture now. In fact, on the Eastside, I think there are more Tesla owners than anywhere else in the United States. If I were to ask everyone who owns and drives a Tesla...hey do you watch Husky Football or Cougar Football, I bet you 5% would say, "yes".

That's right. I said 5%. Most are not from here and truly don't care, don't know, and have no interest.
Tesla's and Prius's. Every time I see one I just want to ram them. But don't want to hurt my precious Subaru. Guess I need to drive my Silverado more often.
 
NCW, what's this about?

Are WSU, UW, Eastern etc focusing too much on recruiting out of state students?

What is the attraction for a Boise State experience/degree?
For Eastern Wa kids that want to get away for college it’s close enough to drive home for a long weekend but definitely outside the reach of their parents. Boise is a great city. Lots less zombie drug addicts wandering around than most west coast cities, lots of young people and a lot of new buildings on campus. I think they do have some pretty solid under grad degrees in programs like Construction Management but agree, academically it resembles EWU. Like 95 said, pretty easy to get in- fair amount of kids that can’t get into uw go there instead of WSU. It’s a lot harder to get the WUE there than Uof Idaho which is a better school in almost all regards mostly bc they aren’t hurting for students at all.
And for those that are into sports, they’re a big fish in a medium pond which has some appeal.
 
Yeah UW will. And they will also say they should get 60% of the gate or some bullshit just like they did when this was proposed many years ago and thankfully we held firm and told them to piss off. Hopefully our present leadership will have the same fortitude although I’m doubtful right now.
Once you take the emotion out of it, rotation between Pullman uw and Lumen would work for me if you split the tickets at Lumen 50-50. Don’t know if uw woukd agree with that but it could work. Whoever we end up with a media deal with is going to push really hard for that game, the ratings speak for themselves.
 
For Eastern Wa kids that want to get away for college it’s close enough to drive home for a long weekend but definitely outside the reach of their parents. Boise is a great city. Lots less zombie drug addicts wandering around than most west coast cities, lots of young people and a lot of new buildings on campus. I think they do have some pretty solid under grad degrees in programs like Construction Management but agree, academically it resembles EWU. Like 95 said, pretty easy to get in- fair amount of kids that can’t get into uw go there instead of WSU. It’s a lot harder to get the WUE there than Uof Idaho which is a better school in almost all regards mostly bc they aren’t hurting for students at all.
And for those that are into sports, they’re a big fish in a medium pond which has some appeal.
despite the academic reputation everyone I’ve met from BSU is pretty smart. I’m gonna say this and it may not be popular…college is what you make of it, when it comes to undergrad there’s no difference between UW or Cal than there is WSU. I’m fact I’d argue if you are motivated WSU is better in some ways, smaller classes and easier to collaborate with teachers and TAs. I’d think the same probably applies WSU : BSU for undergrad. Grad school is a whole other beast.
 
Once you take the emotion out of it, rotation between Pullman uw and Lumen would work for me if you split the tickets at Lumen 50-50. Don’t know if uw woukd agree with that but it could work. Whoever we end up with a media deal with is going to push really hard for that game, the ratings speak for themselves.
They might initially. But if we end up as a G5 or equivalent with a $5M deal, UW is going to stomp us continuously. You think that’s gonna continue to be interesting and draw viewers? I’ve been to like 13 of the last 15 ACs. So you know I’m a sucker for pain…and I won’t go or watch it. If we can stay P5 all bets are off and I’m for it if we can keep it fair.
 
NCW, what's this about?

Are WSU, UW, Eastern etc focusing too much on recruiting out of state students?

What is the attraction for a Boise State experience/degree?
Most schools - state schools, that is - focus more on out of state students than they used to. Those students pay more. International students are even better, because they pay cash.
 
WSU fans should maybe pump the brakes when talking about market reach. Yes, our viewership ratings have been strong over the recent years, but there is legitimate concern about future ratings.

How engaged will our fans be in a new conference where our biggest games will be against Boise State, Oregon State, and San Diego State? More importantly, how tuned in will our base be when we play Colorado State, Texas State, Temple, San Jose State?

I hear a lot of chest pumping about how WSU should never play another Apple Cup, especially if it's moved to annual event in Luman Field in Seattle. I disagree with that logic. More than ever, as much as it sucks, WSU would be incredibly foolish to turn their backs on an annual September Apple Cup at Seahawk Stadium. More than ever, we need to establish our program in the Seattle market. Media companies demand those types of games, and it's their world now.
My position will continue to be we should not play in Seattle, and certainly not regularly.

If someone chooses to ignore that, and we look at Apple Cup in Seattle, that should only happen if the split of seats is 50/50. UW will never agree to that - they already demanded 2/3 of the seats when this was discussed 10 years ago.
 
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I don't see the networks really caring if the game is in Pullman. The atmosphere is apart of the drama that makes the game exciting. For ratings, I think they welcome the underdog coming out on top. No one turns into a blowout...it's not good TV.
It's not that the networks care about where the game is, but in 3-5 years when we're going through the alignment shuffle again, having an annual sold-out game in Seattle and the network ratings to go along with it carries a lot of weight. What other programs in the AAC/MWC hybrid have such a game? Boise has no natural rival. Neither do SDSU or Fresno. WSU needs to "out media" the other teams in our league and be able to say (prove) that our program represents the Seattle market.

UW isn't coming to Pullman very much longer if at all. It makes no financial sense for them to do it whatsoever. Conversely, it makes a Hell of a lot of sense for WSU to put our tail between our legs and agree to an annual game in Seahawk Stadium.
 
You cannot move your business forward if you are always being bent over a barrel by those you do business with.

Fck the uw. Play someone else.
We have no more bullets in our clip. No more Aces in our hand. If someone offers us an annual game in front of 50-60K fans in the major metropolitan city we claim to represent, we're going to take it.

I don't disagree with your sentiment Biggs, but there's no way in Hell we're going to walk away from that. It adds annual scheduling convenience, regional marketing cache, alumni satisfaction, and a marquee game to our schedule.

Every year we'd have Apple Cup, Boise State, and Oregon State on our schedule, plus an assortment of SDSU, Fresno State, Air Force, Memphis, Tulane, SMU (maybe). That isn't an SEC or P12 schedule, but it's decent. We know our fans are going to bail on home games vs. Temple, Rice, Florida Atlantic, etc., so we triple the price of an Apple Cup ticket and combat that. No other game on our schedule affords us that luxury.
 
If the administration signs up to play UW in Seattle yearly with UW getting more of the gate, whoever is involved should be fired immediately.

Have some pride. Tell them to f*ck off.

50/50 gate split? You still have to pay the venue, travel costs, hotels, stadium staff...it's not going to be that big of a net.

If Chun or Schulz have any merit, they can be more creative then selling out to UW.
 
If the administration signs up to play UW in Seattle yearly with UW getting more of the gate, whoever is involved should be fired immediately.

Have some pride. Tell them to f*ck off.

50/50 gate split? You still have to pay the venue, travel costs, hotels, stadium staff...it's not going to be that big of a net.

If Chun or Schulz have any merit, they can be more creative then selling out to UW.
Agree on the 50/50 split, but NET is going to be significant. Once we sign into the new league, we’ll never play a P5 school in Pullman again. We won’t walk away from Apple Cup willingly.
 
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Agree on the 50/50 spirit, but NET is going to be significant. Once we sign into the new league, we’ll never play a P5 school in Pullman again. We won’t walk away from Apple Cup willingly.

A lot of influential Cougs in the media (Jim Moore, Barry Bolden at Brand X) have called for the series to end. They seem to have dug in with their opinions
 
1. WSU: Seattle metro and the State of Washington
2. OSU: Portland metro
3. Stanford: Northern California
4. Cal: Northern California
5. SDSU:: Southern California
6. SMU: Dallas
7. Boise St.: State of Idaho

Note: Nobody cares about the UNLV Rebels. The locals don't care. Only some students and grads care.

So, if we scratch UNLV, who gets the # 8 slot?
Boise state = Idaho vandals
Not going to happen
 
I don't ever see UW coming to Pullman again, and honestly I don't blame them. Once they're in different conferences, what's their motivation to play a road non-conference game in a 32K seat stadium?

For the same reasons we don't play road games at Idaho, Eastern, Montana, etc., UW won't come to Pullman. We can either play them annually in Seahawk Stadium or not at all. That would hurt us a lot more than it will hurt them.
That’s fine I don’t care about the back stabbers
 
I get that we’d be walking away from dollars but as more information comes out, UW out of everyone is the most responsible for screwing WSU in this deal. We CANNOT continue the apple cup and it is 100% their doing.
 
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Agree on the 50/50 spirit, but NET is going to be significant. Once we sign into the new league, we’ll never play a P5 school in Pullman again. We won’t walk away from Apple Cup willingly.
we didnt walk away, they did, if they demand all games in seattle the apple cup is over, even if we play them there the spirit of the apple cup is gone.
 
UW may have been the most responsible for screwing us over at the 11th hour when they, and Oregon were lobbying hard for a B!G invitation, but the P12 screwed everyone over out West due to their ridiculously bad business strategies.
 
Ahhh and there he is, Mr Science himself right on que…… Got any awesome COVID science you’d like to impart unto the unwashed masses? Gawd you’re such a wizard with all the science-y stuff. Hard to distinguish who’s dreamier…. You or McFauci. 😍😍😍
For those of you who don’t believe our educational system is in desperate trouble I present to you exhibit a) a paranoid Google U Scholar who distrusts formal scientific education and professional expertise. Ladies and germs welcome to the age of the dumbing of America.
 
Here's the deal. The vast majority of the people who have moved to Seattle in the last decade are tech employees, thanks to Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft and T-Mobile. Not to mention the thousands of other tech startups and companies. Boeing hardly makes a dent anymore, but you do have Blue Origin and SpaceX here too.

These IT folks have generally moved here from California and all around the country. In addition, we have a huge growth from international people with green cards. Many like cricket, or maybe soccer, but certainly not college football.

They don't watch it. They don't care. The vast majority don't care about Washington or Washington State, especially football. I highly doubt Lumen Field becomes a sellout, because, one...a ton of people still would rather watch it at home, but mostly....

King County is a totally different and diversified international culture now. In fact, on the Eastside, I think there are more Tesla owners than anywhere else in the United States. If I were to ask everyone who owns and drives a Tesla...hey do you watch Husky Football or Cougar Football, I bet you 5% would say, "yes".

That's right. I said 5%. Most are not from here and truly don't care, don't know, and have no interest.
California, esp the Bay Area (Tesla headquarters) disagrees.
 
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