Funny to hear “it took this long” for Rose. The black Sox also had their ban lifted today. They’ve been waiting a lot longer, and some of them were probably more innocent than Rose.
True. Rose is certainly more notable as the hit king though. Baseball does some stupid shit.
I’m not familiar with all of the details. Being on the road 100 nights out of the year doesn’t lend itself to choirboy behavior especially in those days. . Rose, Garvey, Boggs…STDs we’re probably circulating more than Steroids did in the 90s
My answer to just about any argument to exclude someone from the HOF is the same: Ty Cobb.
True but baseball never judged players for being “bad”. Rule #1 is “Do not bet on baseball.” Be a bad guy? Whatever. Lot’s of bad guys. Hurt the “integrity of the sport” then we have a problem. It was and probably still is crystal clear.
True…although at least to me, rule #1 is- no cheating. I have less issue with Rose in the HOF than I do with the steroid freaks of the 90s.
PEDs are difficult for me to parse through because it’s so difficult to know who was & wasn’t doing it. MLB didn’t even have a policy around steroids for a long time. So many players I never thought would do it did it.
Not just “who,” but “when?” I think that McGwire was playing without them when he first hit the league, but started later (I’m willing to blame Canseco). I have little evidence of that, other than his general physique over the years, and his transformation isn’t as obvious as that of Bonds. Personally, I consider all of their accomplishments to be tainted, whether it was explicitly against the rules or not.
Once again we must decide whether words have meaning. Rose was banned for life, right? It was a lifetime ban, so when the life ends the ban becomes moot. AFAIK, it was a lifetime ban, not a forever ban, and the ban performed as designed. It stopped Pete Rose from getting the honor and adulation that he wanted, and now he can be admitted to the HOF for his on the field accomplishments.
I didn’t know he messed around with kids. Sorta makes the 4000 hits irrelevant if true.
I did not know this either (link below).
I had no idea about that either. I posted above baseball doesn't care about players being "bad", but that's obviously a different line in the sand.I did not know this either (link below).
As far as gambling in general, I never understood what the big deal is. As long as you aren't betting for your team to lose, which Rose denies he ever did.
Pete Rose had sexual relationship with underage girl in the 1970s, court doc says
A sworn statement filed in a Pennsylvania court Monday by an unidentified woman says Pete Rose maintained a sexual relationship with her in the 1970s when she was under the age of 16.sports.yahoo.com
Pete Rose's gambling scandal, explained: Why MLB's hits king was banned for betting on baseball | Sporting News
Rose has more hits than anyone in baseball history, and he accomplished the feat without performance-enhancing drugs. Yet he was barred from baseball and the Hall of Fame until 2025.www.sportingnews.com
Hah! Clearly you were not a Baseball pitcher like the Athletic Loyal one. How often does a pitcher want to be pulled and denied? Close to never, unless they get hurt then duh. I never wanted to get pulled. Of course, as the Ace on understaffed HS and Legion teams, if I could lift my arm I was in. And stayed in. In fact, I think I was only pulled once.
www.historylink.org
All of which has nothing to do with a manager making decisions based on placing a bet on their team.
This isn’t confined to pitchers. Or to baseball. I never wanted to come out of any game. Didn’t matter if we were up or down 30. Freshmen want to play? That’s what JV is for. You want to put one of them at 2nd? Fine, go ahead. I’ll go to 1st, or I’ll catch. You want them to play DE? Fine, I’ll move to LB. But I’m not coming out. There’s nothing to do on the sideline.
Being pulled and denied sounds like something Loyal likes to do on a cross country trip with some less than savory ladies of the night.
Hadn't thought of that particular application, but again...I'm not coming out until I'm ready. And I'm definitely not getting subbed out for a freshman.
Ok, enough of this false rumor. I LOST my wallet when I tripped over my dog at a park in Dillon, MT. There was no truckstop, no ladies of any kind. You guys just love to make shit up. How about some of you Karen's tell a funny story about one of your own (preferably drunken) mishaps? Maybe you are all so boring and dull that you have never had one? Or you are too chickenshit to post it? Hah. I scoff at all of you pussies. The Colorful and Fun-Loving Loyal One has many, many crazy stories he could share. Not even counting all the woman stories I could tell.
But too bad. No soup for you.You could just feel the electricity in the Kingdome when the Big Unit got up and started throwing in the pen down the left field line. I don't think that place was EVER louder than when he started out of the bullpen and started striding toward the mound! It was insane, crazy, electric and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. What an incredible moment, a memory of a lifetime, we were fortunate to be there.Hah! Clearly you were not a Baseball pitcher like the Athletic Loyal one. How often does a pitcher want to be pulled and denied? Close to never, unless they get hurt then duh. I never wanted to get pulled. Of course, as the Ace on understaffed HS and Legion teams, if I could lift my arm I was in. And stayed in. In fact, I think I was only pulled once.
Edit - reminds me of Randy Johnson in the '95 playoffs. Out of the pen on 2 days rest.
randy johnson 1995 playoffs - Search Videos
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Edit 2 - I was actually thinking of the Yankee playoff game where he came on in relief on one days rest......link then relevant excerpt
Seattle Mariners win their first playoff series with a dramatic comeb
On October 8, 1995, the Seattle Mariners win the first playoff series in their history, coming from behind in the 11th inning to beat the New York Yankees 6-5. Ken Griffey Jr. (b. 1969) scores the wi
The Final Drama
With 78 percent of all Western Washington households watching on television and 57,411 at the Kingdome, the Yankees took a 4-2 lead into the eighth inning. But Griffey made it 4-3 with his fifth home run of the series, and a bases-loaded walk by Yankees pitcher David Cone (b. 1963) tied the score at 4-4. That brought baseball’s best reliever, Mariano Rivera (b. 1969), into the game when the stakes were highest. But the Mariners had a reliever to match him. Johnson, the league’s most dominating starting pitcher, had volunteered to pitch in relief despite having had only one day’s rest. The sight of their 6-foot-10 ace coming in from the bullpen to pitch the ninth inning electrified the already amped-up crowd. He retired the Yankees’ best three hitters, but Rivera and Jack McDowell (b. 1966), a starter who like Johnson was thrown into an emergency relief role, mowed down the M’s in the ninth and tenth.
The Yankees took a 5-4 lead in the 11th. Seattle’s miracle season was on the line, but it wasn’t over. Cora bunted safely for a single and Griffey singled too, advancing Cora to third. That set up the biggest moment in Mariner history. Edgar Martinez, the American League batting champion, hit a line drive into leftfield, easily scoring Cora and sending Griffey around third, hell-bent for home. He beat the throw to the plate, giving Seattle a 6-5 victory,
“Welcome To The Jungle”, remember?
