Borghi
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I think he is a 3rd down back until he shows otherwise. Which sadly we will never see cause he has played in schemes that don’t run the ball much. He doesn’t have enormous rushing stats. He is gonna have to show up at the combine and do well. Which I think he will. He will run well and look great in passing drills. He will run agility drills with roadrunner feet all day. He has a lot of tools.
He will have the measurables to get a shot at a roster. He needs to get back whatever he lost since his back injury to make a squad though. He’s a helluva talent and can do everything that is required of an NFL back though. Even if he doesn’t make a roster initially, back go down so often on the NFL he may end up on a roster mid season with a chance to prove himself. I wouldn’t bet against him.
Mayes, Broussard, Harrison, Ivory - how many other NFL running backs has WSU pumped out in the last 40 years? Junior T? Kerry Porter for a couple years?
Borghi is good - he ain't no Reuben, he ain't no Bruiser., he ain't no Ghost.
The NFL is a WHOLE different level of goodness required. Prove me wrong, Max. Oy oy oy.
Borghi is good - he ain't no Reuben, he ain't no Bruiser., he ain't no Ghost.
The NFL is a WHOLE different level of goodness required. Prove me wrong, Max. Oy oy oy.
Boobie>>> Borghi and Boobie didn't even get a sniff.
Love Max, but most of his hype was due to being highly recruited and us actually getting him. He sits buried on the bench at a lot of other P5 schools, and that really hurts me to say.
That being said, he's never really had a line to run behind, and he's never been in an offense that features the RB. He seems like a rhythm runner, and the every other series thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be helping him excel.
Wish him nothing but the best where ever his journey takes him.
Love Max, but most of his hype was due to being highly recruited and us actually getting him. He sits buried on the bench at a lot of other P5 schools, and that really hurts me to say.
That being said, he's never really had a line to run behind, and he's never been in an offense that features the RB. He seems like a rhythm runner, and the every other series thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be helping him excel.
Wish him nothing but the best where ever his journey takes him.
He will likely be a special teams guy. My guess is he will replace another special teams guy that is 4-5 years in and will be a salary cap casualty.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got looks as a slot receiver too.
Williams is not even close to being as good as Borghi.
His first two seasons, if you blew on him, he went down and stole reps from Morrow and Wicks.
He did have a good Jr season ..but he's certainly not better than Borghi
Max Borghi has two kickoff returns for 21 yards and none since Leach.
Zero punt returns.
Jerome Harrison had 11 KO returns and 1 punt returns (in 2 years)
Steve Broussard had 18 KO returns (1 TD) and zero punt returns
Reuben Mayes had 20 KO returns and zero punt returns
Christian McCaffrey had 56 KO returns (1 TD) and 34 punt returns (1 TD)
Zero punt returns.
Jerome Harrison had 11 KO returns and 1 punt returns (in 2 years)
Steve Broussard had 18 KO returns (1 TD) and zero punt returns
Reuben Mayes had 20 KO returns and zero punt returns
Christian McCaffrey had 56 KO returns (1 TD) and 34 punt returns (1 TD)
This...
Morrow was a better back than Williams too. Both Morrow and Borghi always had a higher, average YPC, and both very good pass catchers as well.
I know Stanford came in late and offered Max (thought he was gone for sure), but other than that, who else was recruiting him? (I don't really recall, maybe Colorado/Colorado State?) At the time WSU got his commitment, I remembered reading that he was somewhat of a sleeper since he missed most of his HS senior year due to injury.
IMO, Likely won't get drafted, but definitely will be a UDFA. Personally, I think he's better than James Williams and will have a better chance at making at least an NFL practice roster, which opens the possibility of being activated at some point during the season. He could excel on special teams with an outside shot at being a 3rd running back in some situations. You never know....I never thought Chris Ivory would be a productive NFL running back, but he ran for more than 5,000 yards in a 9-year career.
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When I think of Borghi as a special teamer, I'm not thinking that he's a return specialist. But I could see him as the first guy down the field in coverage. Those guys are valuable.
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I always thought of Morrow as a poor mans Walter Payton.
By that, I mean he wasn't the biggest or fastest guy in the RB room...but
he was just a football player who knew how to make plays...especially in the clutch.
We don't win USC or Boise State in 2017 without his clutch playmaking.
In regards to Borghi, I can see him catching on in the NFL. I see the Chargers have
some similiar type backs in the few times I have seen them play this year.
I think we'll be ok though next year. Looks like Watson likes to drag d lineman.
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They're disposable in the NFL, not valuable.
If that's his future, he should portal to the SEC for a year.
Borghi has elite striaght line speed once he gets going.... I'm curious what his 40 time will be. I'd imagine his 60 time would be more impressive than his 40.
Yeah, Morrow was so good, and under utilized. His Jr and Sr year he averaged 6.5 a carry and about 10 yards per catch. Williams numbers were much lower per touch than those. We should have fed him much, much more.
As you said, his only issue was size and speed, but he had amazing vision and football IQ.
Agree, but not so good laterally. I also think he does not have good vision. To me, he often took the wrong angle or cut. Taihtsat
I really liked Williams and wished that he had come back for his senior year. He would have helped us in 2019 and he needed the extra maturity. For all of his talent, I never felt that he worked as hard off the field as a guy like Max does. My wife has watched his career after Wazzu and she was really bummed that it never worked out.
Max is going to be labeled as a "third down back" and he will go late in the draft, if at all. That said, Max runs with an awful lot of power for his size and he has a history of making guys looking foolish because of that. When you say that he's over-rated, I'm thinking that you don't remember how great he was before he got hurt. The hype on Max is because he looked awesome as a freshman, not because of high school. The comments about measurables are spot on and will be a big factor in whether or not he gets drafted. The back injury has really hurt his chances and he's only now starting to look like his old self. We'll see how he looks over the next month or so, but I wouldn't count Max out.
I’d also add that he has a vicious stiff arm… rivaling that of Derrick Henry. His ability to use it with such great precision is nothing short of amazing. I wish him all the best in his football future.
His vision this year was not good. Not sure what his deal was. Certainly was better against zona. His speed around the edge is great but backers in the NFL can move a lot faster too. He will need to figure out the vision piece and be able to consistently run between the tackles if he’s going to make a roster.
He also needs to quit coming to a complete stop when he is running. That doesn't work in college, and it definitely will not work in the pros. Plus, he needs to run more physical, too often he runs with finesse.
Good college player and a great Coug.
Injury prone his entire career. For whatever reason, guys that get injured seem to keep getting injured, and scouts know this. I think lots of teams would be happy to have him in camp, on the practice squad, or even as a back-up, but I don't see teams giving him real money. He is often compared to Christian McCaffrey, and I think that is an apt comparison- he is great when he is healthy, but that is less and less often. And it does seem like he is just not quite the player he was before his latest injury...
I hope he finds a good fit next year.
Injury prone his entire career. For whatever reason, guys that get injured seem to keep getting injured, and scouts know this. I think lots of teams would be happy to have him in camp, on the practice squad, or even as a back-up, but I don't see teams giving him real money. He is often compared to Christian McCaffrey, and I think that is an apt comparison- he is great when he is healthy, but that is less and less often. And it does seem like he is just not quite the player he was before his latest injury...
I hope he finds a good fit next year.
Bullshit. Wtf are you talking about? When has he been injury prone other than last year? He played in every game in 2018, 2019 and this season.
Total crap post. Fake news top to bottom.
Torn ACL and MCL in high school caused Colorado to back off and resulted in him switching to WSU. Pretty well documented.
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Except for answering every question about speed and agility on the knee. What more does someone with that injury have to prove?
And he missed 3 games. Gtfo with “missing a season.”
You are making things up to serve your bullshit narrative.
There is no "narrative". He has unique skills and I'm a huge fan, like every Cougar. But he had season-ending injuries in 2016 and 2020 (technically did come back for 10 carries). In 2021 he has averaged 12 carries a game, which is actually more than he did in the Air Raid. As noted, he no longer returns kicks. I'm not an NFL scout, but if I was I would worry about his durability at the next level.
Lol. He has answered all questions about the knee by his play. If any NFL team runs him down because of a high school injury, it is to drop his stock so no one else will draft him and he will be available for them.
Have you ever played the game? People get hurt. Missing 3 games over 41 games so far isn’t a durability question. Only to those looking to knock him….
Morrow reminded me of Payton as well because of the way he attacked the hole and attacked defenders. He wasn't big but he ran with aggression.
I dont know where he will wind up other than I believe he will be in camp somewhere.
The combine is huge for him. If he is 4.35 as reported, he turns heads fast. His road runner feet will do well in agility drills. Catching the ball in route running drills will be strong.
If there were ever a guy that would drive his stock in a workout it’s him. It only takes 1 team to fall in love with a player. He can run, catch, block and score from anywhere on the field. It isn’t a long list of guys that can do that.
He’s a guy that could greatly improve his position with a great combine. If he runs in the 4.4s, big vert, we know he’s gonna bench a mountain, looks good in drills he will get himself drafted. RBs have been greatly devalued over the years because there are always so many good ones and they tend to have short careers, so you really have to stand out as a no doubter to get drafted on the first two days.
Biggs is the only one that's mentioned it in this thread but one of Borghi's best traits his blocking. He can go in on third down and other teams are going to have to account for him as a receiver, but if he needs to pick up a blitz.....he can do it. McIntosh is a damned fine runner, but he is a liability when it comes to blocking. As mentioned by 90, he needs to do well in the measurables, but if he does that, I think he's a late rounder. There are a lot of guys who haven't shown what Borghi has that get that late draft spot.
The draft is a funny thing. Kiper could have Borghi ranked as the 20th best back, but it only takes one team to see him as a perfect fit for their scheme (pass blocking, catching out of backfield, etc) he kills the combine, then ends up being the 5th back off the board.
Name a team that doesn’t need a guy that can run and catch the ball, pass protect and score from running or catching the ball from anywhere on the field. He will do very well in interviews. He is a guy a coaching staff will fight to get with the GM.
Name a back that is better catching a ball out if the backfield. I’ll wait.
Name a back that is better catching a ball out if the backfield. I’ll wait.
That said there’s a lot of clueless GMs that think they are smarter than they are. I’m a Broncos fan. Mac Jones was the guy. They passed on him. The patriots benefited from stupidity and are set at QB again for a decade where Denver will keep plugging in trash because they blew it.
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