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Through the first quarter, I’m not impressed. Some of the play designs have promise, but execution isn’t there. QB numbers are solid (Ward 7/10, Mateer 5/6), but it feels overly scripted.
Hoping they settle in better as it goes on, maybe it gets more organic.
 
Through the first quarter, I’m not impressed. Some of the play designs have promise, but execution isn’t there. QB numbers are solid (Ward 7/10, Mateer 5/6), but it feels overly scripted.
Hoping they settle in better as it goes on, maybe it gets more organic.
Wow couldn’t disagree more. I think the offense looks very sharp.
 
Through the first quarter, I’m not impressed. Some of the play designs have promise, but execution isn’t there. QB numbers are solid (Ward 7/10, Mateer 5/6), but it feels overly scripted.
Hoping they settle in better as it goes on, maybe it gets more organic.
No sooner did I hit “post” than they hit a long TD on a nice play.

Would have been an even nicer play if Ward wasn’t locked in from the snap and didn’t throw it so sidearm it was almost submarine.
 
No sooner did I hit “post” than they hit a long TD on a nice play.

Would have been an even nicer play if Ward wasn’t locked in from the snap and didn’t throw it so sidearm it was almost submarine.
On the money though. I don’t give a shit what arm angle he’s throwing it at if he’s not retreating 10 yards and shrinking the field for the defense.
 
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On the money though. I don’t give a shit what arm angle he’s throwing it at if he’s not retreating 10 yards and shrinking the field for the defense.
They’ve put together some nice plays in the 2nd quarter. Shades of Jay Dumas/Colin Henderson on the double pass.

Mateer throws some nice balls, off by just a tad on the deep throws. But I like the way he steps up in the pocket, and he’s got a high release.

I really like that trips bunch formation they brought over from W. kentucky
 
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No sooner did I hit “post” than they hit a long TD on a nice play.

Would have been an even nicer play if Ward wasn’t locked in from the snap and didn’t throw it so sidearm it was almost submarine.
Maybe next time Ward can do a backflip then throw it left handed, just to make sure you’re impressed.
 
Through the first quarter, I’m not impressed. Some of the play designs have promise, but execution isn’t there. QB numbers are solid (Ward 7/10, Mateer 5/6), but it feels overly scripted.
Hoping they settle in better as it goes on, maybe it gets more organic.
That’s a different take than everyone else I’ve spoken with.
 
The disappointing summary for many internet posters is that Ward looked sharp today and the offense was night and day better than last year.

It’s important to remember that the “I just hope that Mateer is given a fair shot” sentiment also means that Mateer could be legitimately beaten out, like he was today.

The new WR JT Sheffield sounds like one of brightest prospects we’ve had in a few years.
 
He can be Dan Quisenberry for all I care...as long as he's not running backwards as mentioned or throwing stupid bubble screens and swing passes ad nauseum.

I think Arbuckle will make sure those two things don't happen
I assume you had a tantrum after each swing pass and screen.
 
He can be Dan Quisenberry for all I care...as long as he's not running backwards as mentioned or throwing stupid bubble screens and swing passes ad nauseum.

I think Arbuckle will make sure those two things don't happen
Ward wasn’t elite last season, but he certainly wasn’t garbage either. The finale against Fresno State left a lot of people unfairly dumping on him. Kid is still young, and he has a great, young OC to work with now.
 
2nd & 3rd quarters looked pretty good. I was multitasking most of the 1st, sound like I wasn’t seeing everything.
Ward has definitely had the better performance today. Mateer’s wasn’t bad, but deeper throws were just a little off, and he was victim of some drops. Even Emmit Brown looked pretty good in the 3rd in relief.
Run game looks like it has potential, as long as the OL can open some holes.

But…

I feel a little better, but It’s hard to take too much away from this game. You don’t really know how good you are when you’re playing against yourself. Scrimmages looked pretty good even when we had our worst teams.
 
Ward wasn’t elite last season, but he certainly wasn’t garbage either. The finale against Fresno State left a lot of people unfairly dumping on him. Kid is still young, and he has a great, young OC to work with now.

For some strange reason, I ended up watching the extended Apple Cup highlights of last year this week...and it was an exciting game the first 3 quarters with Ward making a lot of plays.

I think a lot of the stuff can be coached out of him. He certainly didn't have any coaching last year so while I like Matteer, I'm not calling for them to yank Ward just yet.
 
For some strange reason, I ended up watching the extended Apple Cup highlights of last year this week...and it was an exciting game the first 3 quarters with Ward making a lot of plays.

I think a lot of the stuff can be coached out of him. He certainly didn't have any coaching last year so while I like Matteer, I'm not calling for them to yank Ward just yet.

The first practice scrimmage went to Mateer.

The 2nd practice scrimmage was tied, equal between Ward and Mateer.

The Spring Game Scrimmage went to Ward.

That's about equal, but since Ward took the last scrimmage in Spring, and since the Spring Game Scrimmage is more kinda sorta like a semi clutch game like thing over the earlier practice scrimmages, then that means that overall Ward had the better practices, scrimmages, Spring and Spring Game , etc.

That means that Ward will probably be the FAVORITE to be the starter heading into first game, after fall camp, etc.

That said, it should still be a open competition for the starting QB spot, between Ward, Mateer.

Mateer is looking good enough, that if Ward gets injured as the starter, or falters as starter, Mateer can probably be a decent, ok, serviceable, semi good, to good replacement starter, back up QB, and may end up being one of the best Back Up QB's comparatively to other college team's Back up QB's

Also when Ward is gone, if Mateer doesn't beat out Ward, Mateer probably will probably be a successful starter for WSU, after Ward gone, etc.
 
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The problem Mateer faces now is that the knock on him coming into the game was evident during the game.

Great poise in the huddle, plays with good tempo, solid running plays within 15 yards of the LOS, struggles throwing the ball downfield.
 
The problem Mateer faces now is that the knock on him coming into the game was evident during the game.

Great poise in the huddle, plays with good tempo, solid running plays within 15 yards of the LOS, struggles throwing the ball downfield.

Mateer did NOT Struggle throwing the ball down field during the first practice scrimmage where Mateer passed for about 14 out of 20 for 280 yards, and had about 4,5,6 AWESOME DEEP(About 27 to 30 to 33 to 35 to 37 yards)BALLS, that was better then Ward that scrimmage.

And during the Spring game Mateer was just barely by skin of teeth off of DEEP BALLS either because he was just barely off, or because the chemistry, timing between him and WR(meaning WR's partially to blame or sharing blame with Mateer).

And WR's DROPPED SOME EASILY CATCHABLE BALLS.

And WR's TURNED OVER THE BALL, about 1,2,3 times, LIMITING Mateer's opportunities.

That said Ward was still better.

That said, Mateer is not struggling as much as you think throwing balls downfield
 
So what was your tantrum count?
FWIW the screen game seems pretty creative. There was motion behind the QB across the field, slip screens, some stuff I don’t remember seeing last year. Screens are great if you are mixing up the pre snap look and keeping the defense on its heals. Also helps when you take quality shots down the seam and sideline to keep the defense honest.

While your here, I saw enough, Cam will be the starter and he seems to have really worked out the stuff that plagued him last year.
 
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Through the first quarter, I’m not impressed. Some of the play designs have promise, but execution isn’t there. QB numbers are solid (Ward 7/10, Mateer 5/6), but it feels overly scripted.
Hoping they settle in better as it goes on, maybe it gets more organic.
Well, there is hope, but I am not booking my flight and room for the PAC ? Championship Game just yet.

It was a decent day in Pullman, but it did get a bit chilly as the day wore on, at least it did for those of us sitting on the shady side. We enjoyed the format, and the entire event was well done. The one complaint I had and heard form others was that there were no rosters to hand out. Come on guys, you have to do better than that. Also didn't see any posters, which again was disappointing.

With football, it ALWAYS starts with the quarterback. Not sure how the stats ended up for them, but we saw a lot of positives. Some nice long balls and several darts to pretty small openings. Only one pick that I recall, which was the play right after a very nice one, where I think he god greedy down on the goal line. Otherwise, not a lot of bad reads giving throws in coverage.

On the other end, initial look at them indicates that we may have a better receiving core this year. Assuming they all clean up the drops. There was a lot of quickness shown 2-3 of them, and Nunnaly really stood out as a bigger target. They were often able to get good separation due to their quickness, and I think that is going to be fun to watch this year.

Of course, when you are playing your own team instead of a real opponent, you must ask if the WR's getting open is due to their abilities or simply due the defensive backfield being inferior. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that question, but I will note that the DB's did make several excellent plays to break up a pass that was on the money. They had ball awareness and did some hand stripping to knock the ball away from the WR, which was good to see. There was 2 PI calls made, and both were when the DB was right there, just too much hand fighting, I guess. It wasn't when he was getting beat and trying to keep the WR from breaking away.

Note that there were not any holding calls on the O Line, so once again we'll have to wait and see if that is due to the OL performing well or the DL being a weak spot. My fear is that our DL may be a trouble spot this year, but am not enough of an expert (Okay, not an expert at all) to be able recognize which possibility is the correct one at this point. Just have to hope that the OL is really coming together and the DL will be just fine by the time the season starts. I would like to see some help in both areas from the portal before fall camp starts....

I think Stone and Jackson only played the first series.

I think that both Ward and Mateer might do more running this year, bot planned and scrambling. I was impressed with a play made by Ward on the first series (I think) where he was scrambling off right tackle and open area ahead of him but was able to pick up an open target for maybe a 12-15 yard pickup.

I would say that the RB's appear decent, but not outstanding. Possibly somewhat comparable to Wicks, Morrow, and Boobie Williams, with Watson being the bigger back, Schlenbaker being a bit less power but faster, and Jenkins being the shiftier and faster one of the bunch. He will definitely have some big plays this year, but he did drop that one swing pass after tipping it up 2-3 times that would have been a huge gain if he caught it cleanly. Can't have that in the games, you gotta make that play when given the opportunity.

OK, enough babbling from me, must get some things done today. Glad we went down to the scrimmage, it always feels good to be back in Pullman.
 
Well, there is hope, but I am not booking my flight and room for the PAC ? Championship Game just yet.

It was a decent day in Pullman, but it did get a bit chilly as the day wore on, at least it did for those of us sitting on the shady side. We enjoyed the format, and the entire event was well done. The one complaint I had and heard form others was that there were no rosters to hand out. Come on guys, you have to do better than that. Also didn't see any posters, which again was disappointing.

With football, it ALWAYS starts with the quarterback. Not sure how the stats ended up for them, but we saw a lot of positives. Some nice long balls and several darts to pretty small openings. Only one pick that I recall, which was the play right after a very nice one, where I think he god greedy down on the goal line. Otherwise, not a lot of bad reads giving throws in coverage.

On the other end, initial look at them indicates that we may have a better receiving core this year. Assuming they all clean up the drops. There was a lot of quickness shown 2-3 of them, and Nunnaly really stood out as a bigger target. They were often able to get good separation due to their quickness, and I think that is going to be fun to watch this year.

Of course, when you are playing your own team instead of a real opponent, you must ask if the WR's getting open is due to their abilities or simply due the defensive backfield being inferior. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that question, but I will note that the DB's did make several excellent plays to break up a pass that was on the money. They had ball awareness and did some hand stripping to knock the ball away from the WR, which was good to see. There was 2 PI calls made, and both were when the DB was right there, just too much hand fighting, I guess. It wasn't when he was getting beat and trying to keep the WR from breaking away.

Note that there were not any holding calls on the O Line, so once again we'll have to wait and see if that is due to the OL performing well or the DL being a weak spot. My fear is that our DL may be a trouble spot this year, but am not enough of an expert (Okay, not an expert at all) to be able recognize which possibility is the correct one at this point. Just have to hope that the OL is really coming together and the DL will be just fine by the time the season starts. I would like to see some help in both areas from the portal before fall camp starts....

I think Stone and Jackson only played the first series.

I think that both Ward and Mateer might do more running this year, bot planned and scrambling. I was impressed with a play made by Ward on the first series (I think) where he was scrambling off right tackle and open area ahead of him but was able to pick up an open target for maybe a 12-15 yard pickup.

I would say that the RB's appear decent, but not outstanding. Possibly somewhat comparable to Wicks, Morrow, and Boobie Williams, with Watson being the bigger back, Schlenbaker being a bit less power but faster, and Jenkins being the shiftier and faster one of the bunch. He will definitely have some big plays this year, but he did drop that one swing pass after tipping it up 2-3 times that would have been a huge gain if he caught it cleanly. Can't have that in the games, you gotta make that play when given the opportunity.

OK, enough babbling from me, must get some things done today. Glad we went down to the scrimmage, it always feels good to be back in Pullman.
What was the attendance like?
 
Well, there is hope, but I am not booking my flight and room for the PAC ? Championship Game just yet.

It was a decent day in Pullman, but it did get a bit chilly as the day wore on, at least it did for those of us sitting on the shady side. We enjoyed the format, and the entire event was well done. The one complaint I had and heard form others was that there were no rosters to hand out. Come on guys, you have to do better than that. Also didn't see any posters, which again was disappointing.

With football, it ALWAYS starts with the quarterback. Not sure how the stats ended up for them, but we saw a lot of positives. Some nice long balls and several darts to pretty small openings. Only one pick that I recall, which was the play right after a very nice one, where I think he god greedy down on the goal line. Otherwise, not a lot of bad reads giving throws in coverage.

On the other end, initial look at them indicates that we may have a better receiving core this year. Assuming they all clean up the drops. There was a lot of quickness shown 2-3 of them, and Nunnaly really stood out as a bigger target. They were often able to get good separation due to their quickness, and I think that is going to be fun to watch this year.

Of course, when you are playing your own team instead of a real opponent, you must ask if the WR's getting open is due to their abilities or simply due the defensive backfield being inferior. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that question, but I will note that the DB's did make several excellent plays to break up a pass that was on the money. They had ball awareness and did some hand stripping to knock the ball away from the WR, which was good to see. There was 2 PI calls made, and both were when the DB was right there, just too much hand fighting, I guess. It wasn't when he was getting beat and trying to keep the WR from breaking away.

Note that there were not any holding calls on the O Line, so once again we'll have to wait and see if that is due to the OL performing well or the DL being a weak spot. My fear is that our DL may be a trouble spot this year, but am not enough of an expert (Okay, not an expert at all) to be able recognize which possibility is the correct one at this point. Just have to hope that the OL is really coming together and the DL will be just fine by the time the season starts. I would like to see some help in both areas from the portal before fall camp starts....

I think Stone and Jackson only played the first series.

I think that both Ward and Mateer might do more running this year, bot planned and scrambling. I was impressed with a play made by Ward on the first series (I think) where he was scrambling off right tackle and open area ahead of him but was able to pick up an open target for maybe a 12-15 yard pickup.

I would say that the RB's appear decent, but not outstanding. Possibly somewhat comparable to Wicks, Morrow, and Boobie Williams, with Watson being the bigger back, Schlenbaker being a bit less power but faster, and Jenkins being the shiftier and faster one of the bunch. He will definitely have some big plays this year, but he did drop that one swing pass after tipping it up 2-3 times that would have been a huge gain if he caught it cleanly. Can't have that in the games, you gotta make that play when given the opportunity.

OK, enough babbling from me, must get some things done today. Glad we went down to the scrimmage, it always feels good to be back in Pullman.
You should have wandered over to the north side when it got chilly. Pretty damn nice in the sunshine (and we had rosters, lol).

One thing I noticed yesterday (and have seen the same in practices) when Mateer feels pressure, his first instinct is to step up field and he's constantly looking downfield to check his run lanes and dump off options. He's gonna burn some defenses on the ground. Ward's escapability is nice, but if our o-line struggles and Ward's game follows suit, I really like the change-up that Mateer brings to the table.
 
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You should have wandered over to the north side when it got chilly. Pretty damn nice in the sunshine (and we had rosters, lol).

One thing I noticed yesterday (and have seen the same in practices) when Mateer feels pressure, his first instinct is to step up field and he's constantly looking downfield to check his run lanes and dump off options. He's gonna burn some defenses on the ground. Ward's escapability is nice, but if our o-line struggles and Ward's game follows suit, I really like the change-up that Mateer brings to the table.

I didn't get to watch the whole game (had to go eat dinner with my son and his family) but what I like about Mateer is that he does a great job of placing the ball where the receivers can make a play after the catch. Last year, Ward wasn't good at that. Ward did put up some good numbers for the game but I haven't got to watch the recording to see how those numbers were generated. Glad to see good numbers though.
 
For those of you who saw the game:

1.) Was the O line generally in sync? Few missed assignments?
2.) Did the receivers manage some separation and then catch everything they could reasonably get 2 hands on?
3.) Did the RB appear to have an assignment every play, even if it was blocking, and did he carry it out?
4.) Did the QB make many passes where it was on his 3rd read?
5.) How did the DE's look while pass rushing? And how was the OT footwork?
6.) Did the CB's stay with the receivers? And did they look back before the ball arrived, or were they just playing eyeball defense?
7.) How many times was a safety lost and out of the play?
8.) What % of the time, more or less, did we run a nickel? Dime?
9.) Did the two DT's keep at least 3 OL busy the whole game?
10.) Finally. Were the LB's significant in the game?
 
For those of you who saw the game:

1.) Was the O line generally in sync? Few missed assignments?
2.) Did the receivers manage some separation and then catch everything they could reasonably get 2 hands on?
3.) Did the RB appear to have an assignment every play, even if it was blocking, and did he carry it out?
4.) Did the QB make many passes where it was on his 3rd read?
5.) How did the DE's look while pass rushing? And how was the OT footwork?
6.) Did the CB's stay with the receivers? And did they look back before the ball arrived, or were they just playing eyeball defense?
7.) How many times was a safety lost and out of the play?
8.) What % of the time, more or less, did we run a nickel? Dime?
9.) Did the two DT's keep at least 3 OL busy the whole game?
10.) Finally. Were the LB's significant in the game?
If I had received the homework assignment before the game, I would probably have more answers.... I've only watched the game once.

OL/DL- The OL generally looked good. Pole was playing LT. There were even some blitzes. I honestly don't know what to make of the OL. My concern is that the DL is so bad that the OL looks much improved. Jackson and Stone barely played. The DTs did nothing that I remembered.

CB/S- At safety, Lockett's footspeed has not improved. The new slot guy- Sheffield had the big plays. The CBs were generally on the outside receivers. Not a lot of big plays there.

Special gift for sponge- The screens and swing passes were lovely.
 
If I had received the homework assignment before the game, I would probably have more answers.... I've only watched the game once.

OL/DL- The OL generally looked good. Pole was playing LT. There were even some blitzes. I honestly don't know what to make of the OL. My concern is that the DL is so bad that the OL looks much improved. Jackson and Stone barely played. The DTs did nothing that I remembered.

CB/S- At safety, Lockett's footspeed has not improved. The new slot guy- Sheffield had the big plays. The CBs were generally on the outside receivers. Not a lot of big plays there.

Special gift for sponge- The screens and swing passes were lovely.
Again you seem to miss the point.

Bubbles and swing passes are effective if we threaten the ball down field.

When it is your favorite play and the defense expects it, not so much.

I'm sorry that you didn't get a bubble screen for Christmas
 
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Again you seem to miss the point.

Bubbles and swing passes are effective if we threaten the ball down field.

When it is your favorite play and the defense expects it, not so much.

I'm sorry that you didn't get a bubble screen for Christmas
Since when do you have a point?
 
Again you seem to miss the point.

Bubbles and swing passes are effective if we threaten the ball down field.

When it is your favorite play and the defense expects it, not so much.

I'm sorry that you didn't get a bubble screen for Christmas
The screen game on Saturday didn’t remotely resemble what we saw last year. Comparing the two would be like comparing student body left 80s run game vs modern day read option.
 
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The screen game on Saturday didn’t remotely resemble what we saw last year. Comparing the two would be like comparing student body left 80s run game vs modern day read option.
Why are you assuming sponge knows the difference? His complaints are screens or swing passes that don't work. The coaches should only run plays that work, not plays that don't. I guess every play on offense should result in a first down or touchdown.
 
Why are you assuming sponge knows the difference? His complaints are screens or swing passes that don't work. The coaches should only run plays that work, not plays that don't. I guess every play on offense should result in a first down or touchdown.
I'd be OK with our coaches only running plays that work.

I guess more to the point, I'd be OK if they stopped running plays that don't work. In the 90's, the defense knew that if we had the ball 3rd & 15+, we would probably run a draw. So, it didn't work. In 2022, the defense knew that if we lined up twins right, we would probably run a WR screen. So, it didn't work. Predictability leads directly to losses - both in yards, and on the scoreboard.
 
I'd be OK with our coaches only running plays that work.

I guess more to the point, I'd be OK if they stopped running plays that don't work. In the 90's, the defense knew that if we had the ball 3rd & 15+, we would probably run a draw. So, it didn't work. In 2022, the defense knew that if we lined up twins right, we would probably run a WR screen. So, it didn't work. Predictability leads directly to losses - both in yards, and on the scoreboard.
I was OK with not having TE's; I agree with Biggs' idea that you end up putting a lot of scholies & resources into a position that is often not very impactful.

But...and this is what I hope to see this fall...if the TE's turn out to be a significant benefit this season in the many ways that they might be used, then they offer the opportunity to break up that scenario you describe, where a predictable formation or predictable down & distance leads to a predictable play.

Since we've gone all in on having TE's, I hope to see them prove to be a real benefit.
 
Why are you assuming sponge knows the difference? His complaints are screens or swing passes that don't work. The coaches should only run plays that work, not plays that don't. I guess every play on offense should result in a first down or touchdown.

So we have you down for more bubble...when it didn't work last year...because we ran it all the time(along with swing passes)

You are literally the only Coug Fan,on the planet that longs for last years playcalling.
 
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So we have you down for more bubble...when it didn't work last year...because we ran it all the time(along with swing passes)

You are literally the only Coug Fan,on the planet that longs for last years playcalling.
You're literally the only Coug fan on the planet that thought Leach wouldn't get in done here after one game.
 
So we have you down for more bubble...when it didn't work last year...because we ran it all the time(along with swing passes)

You are literally the only Coug Fan,on the planet that longs for last years playcalling.
Oh you two need to chill. What I want to see back is the rump turn (or is it rump roll?) option. That was a thing of beauty.
 
I was OK with not having TE's; I agree with Biggs' idea that you end up putting a lot of scholies & resources into a position that is often not very impactful.

But...and this is what I hope to see this fall...if the TE's turn out to be a significant benefit this season in the many ways that they might be used, then they offer the opportunity to break up that scenario you describe, where a predictable formation or predictable down & distance leads to a predictable play.

Since we've gone all in on having TE's, I hope to see them prove to be a real benefit.
I used to really like the TE. Play action to the TE would be my go-to in a lot of situations in the 90s and early 2000s, it was a meaningful part of an offense. But, it's not the 90s anymore, and we did pretty well without a TE on the roster for most of the 2010s.

Not saying there's zero use for one anymore, but it's a niche that's really only beneficial in some situations or for some teams. These days, you're likely better off with a big bodied receiver who can run - fast enough to evade an LB, strong enough to outmuscle a safety or CB. I suppose you can scheme your personnel to create the matchup issue, and I'll be interested to see how they do that this season.
 
I used to really like the TE. Play action to the TE would be my go-to in a lot of situations in the 90s and early 2000s, it was a meaningful part of an offense. But, it's not the 90s anymore, and we did pretty well without a TE on the roster for most of the 2010s.

Not saying there's zero use for one anymore, but it's a niche that's really only beneficial in some situations or for some teams. These days, you're likely better off with a big bodied receiver who can run - fast enough to evade an LB, strong enough to outmuscle a safety or CB. I suppose you can scheme your personnel to create the matchup issue, and I'll be interested to see how they do that this season.

I like it. Tight end down the seams is hard to stop...and you give the QB a tall target.

Since a lot of offenses don't have one these days, it gives them one other thing to game plan for.
 
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