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I truly hope it works out for him, but this feels like a stretch to say he's the top player in college football.

If I am the Titans, I'm trading for a team desperate for a QB and I get Jeanty. Look at the success Philly had with a top notch running back.
 
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I truly hope it works out for him, but this feels like a stretch to say he's the top player in college football.

If I am the Titans, I'm trading for a team desperate for a QB and I get Jeanty. Look at the success Philly had with a top notch running back.
He has a lot of talent. I see him getting on a shitty team with a bad OLine and turning into 2022/3 Cam. Running around, taking 20 yard sacks, and getting stripped…a lot. Whoever takes him I hope they also have a plan to get some dudes up front for him.

I’m rooting for him as well but it’s not hard to imagine the above scenario.
 
I truly hope it works out for him, but this feels like a stretch to say he's the top player in college football.

If I am the Titans, I'm trading for a team desperate for a QB and I get Jeanty. Look at the success Philly had with a top notch running back.

He did nothing at WSU to suggest he is the #1 pick. What happened at Miami that leapfrogged him so far up the draft board?

Ive seen the #2 pick in the draft play QB at WSU. Cam Ward is light years away from the talent that player had. He was nowhere near Gesser or Minshew either. And now he’s projected at #1?

Titans should take the pass rusher.
 
He did nothing at WSU to suggest he is the #1 pick. What happened at Miami that leapfrogged him so far up the draft board?

Ive seen the #2 pick in the draft play QB at WSU. Cam Ward is light years away from the talent that player had. He was nowhere near Gesser or Minshew either. And now he’s projected at #1?

Titans should take the pass rusher.
I think the fact that he expected to be the #1 selection shows how weak this QB class is.
 
I think the fact that he expected to be the #1 selection shows how weak this QB class is.
If I’m that bad this year and in need of a QB I tank again for Arch. This class blows chunks. Cam would have been QB 8 or 9 last year. That said there will be some Brock purdy in the later rounds who will be a future pro bowler, happens almost every year.
 
I truly hope it works out for him, but this feels like a stretch to say he's the top player in college football.

If I am the Titans, I'm trading for a team desperate for a QB and I get Jeanty. Look at the success Philly had with a top notch running back.

He did nothing at WSU to suggest he is the #1 pick. What happened at Miami that leapfrogged him so far up the draft board?

Ive seen the #2 pick in the draft play QB at WSU. Cam Ward is light years away from the talent that player had. He was nowhere near Gesser or Minshew either. And now he’s projected at #1?

Titans should take the pass rusher.
In today's NFL, I think it's rare that an RB is a worthy top pick. And, I don't think Jeanty is one of those. He put up numbers against weak defenses, but was significantly less successful against the better defenses he went against. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful enough in the NFL to be worth a top 10 pick, or whether he can physically handle an NFL schedule. Austin Jeanty is no Saquon Barkley.

In most years, I don't think Ward or Sanders would be looked at in the first round. I think they're being looked at based on playing style, not on talent.

I've long since (and repeatedly) gone on record that the team that has the #1 pick should hardly ever pick a player. If you have #1, you have more problems than one player is going to fix.

If I'm in the Titans war room, there's only one player in this draft that might keep me from trading back - Abdul Carter (EDGE from Penn State). He's one of the reasons Jeanty barely made 100 against PSU, and is the best player in this draft. The Titans need pass rush in general and EDGE specifically, and he would be a good fit there. Problem is that the Titans also need QB, receivers, IOL, and could upgrade just about any position on defense, but they only have 2 picks in the first 2 days (#1, #35, no 3rd rounder). They're probably better served by trading back and adding picks. I'd be burning up the phone with the top 15 teams, trying to move back, willing to take trades of picks and players. If I can't make a deal, my consolation prize is the best player in the draft at a need position.
 
In today's NFL, I think it's rare that an RB is a worthy top pick. And, I don't think Jeanty is one of those. He put up numbers against weak defenses, but was significantly less successful against the better defenses he went against. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful enough in the NFL to be worth a top 10 pick, or whether he can physically handle an NFL schedule. Austin Jeanty is no Saquon Barkley.

In most years, I don't think Ward or Sanders would be looked at in the first round. I think they're being looked at based on playing style, not on talent.

I've long since (and repeatedly) gone on record that the team that has the #1 pick should hardly ever pick a player. If you have #1, you have more problems than one player is going to fix.

If I'm in the Titans war room, there's only one player in this draft that might keep me from trading back - Abdul Carter (EDGE from Penn State). He's one of the reasons Jeanty barely made 100 against PSU, and is the best player in this draft. The Titans need pass rush in general and EDGE specifically, and he would be a good fit there. Problem is that the Titans also need QB, receivers, IOL, and could upgrade just about any position on defense, but they only have 2 picks in the first 2 days (#1, #35, no 3rd rounder). They're probably better served by trading back and adding picks. I'd be burning up the phone with the top 15 teams, trying to move back, willing to take trades of picks and players. If I can't make a deal, my consolation prize is the best player in the draft at a need position.

If you’re thay bad you need an instant impact player. Someone that can show up and doesnt need a steep learning curve. Not a project. Impacts games right away.

Pass rusher, run stuffer, shut down corner, left tackle, Randy Moss type receiver… hell even a guard that can steamroll dudes and give you a run game.

Cam Ward led WSU to 4-5 and 2-7 in league play. Not much impact at WSU.
 
I'm not sure it will ever happen, but I feel like teams would be better off treating QBs like RBs in the draft, less because the difference between a second rounder and a seventh rounder is so miniscule but more because it's hard to predict which quarterbacks will actually end up being worth the pick. Get the closest thing you can to a sure thing at an impact position (as Biggs noted) or get a guy at a position of need that will save some $ that would have otherwise been spent on a free agent pickup with less upside. Incubate quarterbacks, or let other guys get fired trying to do it, and then either promote a youngster that wins the job outright or go out and spend the free agent savings on a proven guy. Even if a guy comes in and does a Marino/Mahomes, then you have to hollow out the roster in a different spot to pay that guy on his second contract.
 
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If you’re thay bad you need an instant impact player. Someone that can show up and doesnt need a steep learning curve. Not a project. Impacts games right away.

Pass rusher, run stuffer, shut down corner, left tackle, Randy Moss type receiver… hell even a guard that can steamroll dudes and give you a run game.

Cam Ward led WSU to 4-5 and 2-7 in league play. Not much impact at WSU.
The entire College and Professional football apparatus sees Cam Ward as the best new talent available in the entire industry.

Biggs says he gots no talent. Ain’t nuttin’ speshul.

Grok says : Cam Ward, as the #1 pick in 2025, can expect a four-year deal in the range of $41-43 million, fully guaranteed, with a signing bonus likely between $26-28 million.

Who ya got your money on?
 
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If I’m that bad this year and in need of a QB I tank again for Arch. This class blows chunks. Cam would have been QB 8 or 9 last year. That said there will be some Brock purdy in the later rounds who will be a future pro bowler, happens almost every year.
Lost all credibility there.

Can't even beat out the tomato can Ewers for a starting spot but we're all supposed to believe that his last name is going to buoy him to success in the NFL. Reminds me of another TX qb not too long ago.... (though Sims was actually good in college).
 
A lot of sour grapes in this thread.

Cam's success will 100% depend on the system he's drafted into. I don't believe that drafting a dual threat qb is the #1 model for success in the NFL, but with the right system it can work. I won't bother to list off examples because we all know who they are, but either way you have to have a live arm and be able to make the throws, which Cam can. And he can do it on the run. You can't teach arm talent.

That's why he's going to be the #1 pick.
 
He's got a big arm and moves well in the pocket. Not sure if he'll become a star in the league, but he certainly has the talent to entice teams. I didn't think Hurts was going to pan out either, but now he's got a ring.
 
The entire College and Professional football apparatus sees Cam Ward as the best new talent available in the entire industry.

Biggs says he gots no talent. Ain’t nuttin’ speshul.

Who ya got your money on?

Bet on the NFL. Enormous success rate with drafting qbs at #1 or #2.

Get off the drugs.
 
CTE has you wrong about a lot of things. Ever notice that?

Moving from athletic obese to morbidly obese is playing havoc on your anger and depression, common in old football linemen.

I’ll look into it further for you, because I care.

Periodically, you can check in here for confidential, friendly tips. Nobody will need to know.

I won’t quit you. You can count on me to be with you every step of the way.

Cougs helping Cougs.
 
The entire College and Professional football apparatus sees Cam Ward as the best new talent available in the entire industry.

Biggs says he gots no talent. Ain’t nuttin’ speshul.

Grok says : Cam Ward, as the #1 pick in 2025, can expect a four-year deal in the range of $41-43 million, fully guaranteed, with a signing bonus likely between $26-28 million.

Who ya got your money on?
Cam Ward is not a #1 value. When he gets pressure, he panics. He gets tunnel vision and makes bad decisions. He showed that at WSU, and he showed it at Miami in the handful of games his OL couldn't keep him clean.

To those who would say this is a trait of all rookies, that's true. But he hasn't improved in this area in the last 3 seasons, and I don't see any reason to believe that he will.

The Titans had one of the worst OL in the NFL last season - both in the run game and in pass protection. That would seriously undermine the performance of any QB, and we know that it would have major impacts on Ward. The Titans did use free agency to try to improve the OL, but even the players they picked up have question marks, so but it's hard to say how much improvement they're going to actually see. They need more for the long term. If they can't put together an OL that's at least in the top half, Ward isn't going to be their answer.

I saw every minute that he played at WSU, and probably half of his time at Miami, and that's what I think. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But do I think I'm wrong enough that I'd gamble a #1 pick on him? Hell no.
 
CTE has you wrong about a lot of things. Ever notice that?

Moving from athletic obese to morbidly obese is playing havoc on your anger and depression, common in old football linemen.

I’ll look into it further for you, because I care.

Periodically, you can check in here for confidential, friendly tips. Nobody will need to know.

I won’t quit you. You can count on me to be with you every step of the way.

Cougs helping Cougs.

Im not obese. But nice try. Get off drugs.
 
Learn from history, or repeat it.

The best QB in the NFL will fail (or worse yet, be lost for the season) behind a poor O line.

Any stable journeyman QB in the NFL will do well behind a top O line.

Draft the line. Carry 3 QB's that can reliably take a snap and execute.

And if your O line is reasonably good, you need pass rush and CB's.

I don't need all the fingers on one hand to cover the NFL teams in any given year that do not need some of O line, pass rush or CB's. So use your top picks there.
 
Cam Ward is not a #1 value. When he gets pressure, he panics. He gets tunnel vision and makes bad decisions. He showed that at WSU, and he showed it at Miami in the handful of games his OL couldn't keep him clean.

To those who would say this is a trait of all rookies, that's true. But he hasn't improved in this area in the last 3 seasons, and I don't see any reason to believe that he will.

The Titans had one of the worst OL in the NFL last season - both in the run game and in pass protection. That would seriously undermine the performance of any QB, and we know that it would have major impacts on Ward. The Titans did use free agency to try to improve the OL, but even the players they picked up have question marks, so but it's hard to say how much improvement they're going to actually see. They need more for the long term. If they can't put together an OL that's at least in the top half, Ward isn't going to be their answer.

I saw every minute that he played at WSU, and probably half of his time at Miami, and that's what I think. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But do I think I'm wrong enough that I'd gamble a #1 pick on him? Hell no.
I guess we will find out in a few days when Cam and the rest of us will learn his exact market value.
 
Learn from history, or repeat it.

The best QB in the NFL will fail (or worse yet, be lost for the season) behind a poor O line.

Any stable journeyman QB in the NFL will do well behind a top O line.

Draft the line. Carry 3 QB's that can reliably take a snap and execute.

And if your O line is reasonably good, you need pass rush and CB's.

I don't need all the fingers on one hand to cover the NFL teams in any given year that do not need some of O line, pass rush or CB's. So use your top picks there.

If you take a qb that makes dumb mistakes and it took 17 yrs of college football for the game to not be too big for him…. and then put him on a bad team in the most talented league in the world…. whodathunk it might not go well???
 
Well, that is exactly how it works.

First, you become a multi-billionaire. Then you buy a franchise and hire whoever you want to fulfill your mission.

Let us know when you’ve got your franchise so we can start tracking your performance.
 
If you take a qb that makes dumb mistakes and it took 17 yrs of college football for the game to not be too big for him…. and then put him on a bad team in the most talented league in the world…. whodathunk it might not go well???
yeah.

That’s all for now folks!

Sun’s out, Fun’s out! Enjoy your day!
 
Cam Ward is not a #1 value. When he gets pressure, he panics. He gets tunnel vision and makes bad decisions. He showed that at WSU, and he showed it at Miami in the handful of games his OL couldn't keep him clean.

To those who would say this is a trait of all rookies, that's true. But he hasn't improved in this area in the last 3 seasons, and I don't see any reason to believe that he will.

The Titans had one of the worst OL in the NFL last season - both in the run game and in pass protection. That would seriously undermine the performance of any QB, and we know that it would have major impacts on Ward. The Titans did use free agency to try to improve the OL, but even the players they picked up have question marks, so but it's hard to say how much improvement they're going to actually see. They need more for the long term. If they can't put together an OL that's at least in the top half, Ward isn't going to be their answer.

I saw every minute that he played at WSU, and probably half of his time at Miami, and that's what I think. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But do I think I'm wrong enough that I'd gamble a #1 pick on him? Hell no.
Supply and demand. His paycheck is going to be the same as the number 1 pick regardless of whether you or Biggs thinks he has the talent or not.
 
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Cam Ward is not a #1 value. When he gets pressure, he panics. He gets tunnel vision and makes bad decisions. He showed that at WSU, and he showed it at Miami in the handful of games his OL couldn't keep him clean.

To those who would say this is a trait of all rookies, that's true. But he hasn't improved in this area in the last 3 seasons, and I don't see any reason to believe that he will.

The Titans had one of the worst OL in the NFL last season - both in the run game and in pass protection. That would seriously undermine the performance of any QB, and we know that it would have major impacts on Ward. The Titans did use free agency to try to improve the OL, but even the players they picked up have question marks, so but it's hard to say how much improvement they're going to actually see. They need more for the long term. If they can't put together an OL that's at least in the top half, Ward isn't going to be their answer.

I saw every minute that he played at WSU, and probably half of his time at Miami, and that's what I think. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But do I think I'm wrong enough that I'd gamble a #1 pick on him? Hell no.
Value is relative.

HTH.
 
Learn from history, or repeat it.

The best QB in the NFL will fail (or worse yet, be lost for the season) behind a poor O line.

Any stable journeyman QB in the NFL will do well behind a top O line.

Draft the line. Carry 3 QB's that can reliably take a snap and execute.

And if your O line is reasonably good, you need pass rush and CB's.

I don't need all the fingers on one hand to cover the NFL teams in any given year that do not need some of O line, pass rush or CB's. So use your top picks there.
Corellary:
John Schneider has spent the last month rationalizing why he doesn't need draft or acquire OL. He acknowledges the need, refuses to do it.

Hopefully Lucas can stay healthy and make a difference this year and they find 2 more guys that can earn their paycheck.
 
Learn from history, or repeat it.

The best QB in the NFL will fail (or worse yet, be lost for the season) behind a poor O line.

Any stable journeyman QB in the NFL will do well behind a top O line.

Draft the line. Carry 3 QB's that can reliably take a snap and execute.

And if your O line is reasonably good, you need pass rush and CB's.

I don't need all the fingers on one hand to cover the NFL teams in any given year that do not need some of O line, pass rush or CB's. So use your top picks there.
I think we’re generally in agreement, but I think it’s exceedingly rare that any team picking top 10 is 1 player away. Sometimes, the right player is there at a need position, but more often they’d be better served turning a top 10 pick into a couple of later picks. Build a solid place with good players, rather than trying to hit a home run and have a great player surrounded by crap.
 
Tell that to the teams who drafted Trey Lance, will Levis, Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf. Their perspective is probably different.
No doubt the number of #1 qb draft picks who have busted is larger than those who have even just had a winning record, but you can't convince anyone in the NFL to not gamble on the next great thing, in spite of the facts.
 
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No doubt the number of #1 qb draft picks who have busted is larger than those who have even just had a winning record, but you can't convince anyone in the NFL to not gamble on the next great thing, in spite of the facts.
Yeah, logic tends to get lost behind the irrational exuberance. People get sucked in by the highlight films and don’t notice that they’re outnumbered by the head-scratching and face-palming ones.
 
Yeah, logic tends to get lost behind the irrational exuberance. People get sucked in by the highlight films and don’t notice that they’re outnumbered by the head-scratching and face-palming ones.
I suppose the logic is that its all a crap shoot and you're just as likely to get a solid qb at 1 as you are in the 5th round, perhaps even a little better chance.

Gotta go do some work, but maybe later I'll go do the research to see if there is a correlation between qb success and draft selection order.
***** couldn't help myself, check this out:



Also, look towards the bottom and you'll find this gem:
"Tom Brady, Gardner Minshew, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Drew Brees are the only quarterbacks drafted outside of the first round in twenty years to have a completion percentage of 60%, a TD:INT ratio over 2.00, and an ANY/A rating over 6.00." That's pretty good company Minshew is mentioned with.
 
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Corellary:
John Schneider has spent the last month rationalizing why he doesn't need draft or acquire OL. He acknowledges the need, refuses to do it.

Hopefully Lucas can stay healthy and make a difference this year and they find 2 more guys that can earn their paycheck.
John Schneider's track record on offensive line has been terrible. If the Seahawks don't make it to the playoffs, and maybe past the opening round, I think Schneider's time in Seattle has come to an end.

I think Pete Carroll was the main guy finding the talent and making it work . Pete wanted the right personalities to fit his culture. I just don't see the same "magic" coming from John.
 
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I suppose the logic is that its all a crap shoot and you're just as likely to get a solid qb at 1 as you are in the 5th round, perhaps even a little better chance.

Gotta go do some work, but maybe later I'll go do the research to see if there is a correlation between qb success and draft selection order.
***** couldn't help myself, check this out:



Also, look towards the bottom and you'll find this gem:
"Tom Brady, Gardner Minshew, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Drew Brees are the only quarterbacks drafted outside of the first round in twenty years to have a completion percentage of 60%, a TD:INT ratio over 2.00, and an ANY/A rating over 6.00." That's pretty good company Minshew is mentioned with.
That's a good analysis, but I have two questions/comments:

  • It shows that QBs picked in the top 5 are better than those picked 6-32...but the difference isn't that big. Those top 5 QBs have a lot more starts, but none of their performance measures - win percentage, completion percentage, passer rating - are markedly higher than those picked later in the round. And, their TD:INT ration is lower than those picked in the bottom half (a stat that might be influenced by Aaron Rogers alone).
  • My second comment follows directly from the first...QBs from the top 5 picks have almost 2x as many starts and more seasons rostered than the later picks. So how much of their modestly better performance is because teams are more reluctant to give up on a top 5 pick? (It would also be fair to ask how much their performance is impeded because teams are too eager to put them on the field before they're ready.)

I can't necessarily vouch for the completeness of this list, but here are the QBs drafted in the top 5 since 2000. There are 33. The jury may still be out on 11 of them (Mayfield through Richardson), the rest of them I think we know who they are. Of that 22...it looks to me that for a large percentage, it could be argued they weren't worth the top 5...and that someone taken later would have been a better choice. I think 8 of the 22 would be considered outright busts by a majority.



Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Alex Smith
Vince Young
jamarcus russell
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Blake Bortles
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Mitchell Trubisky
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Tua Tagovailoa
Trevor Lawrence
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Anthony Richardson
 
Here's another point on NFL QBs. Salary vs. production (wins).


Top QBs are valued over $50M a year, taking up nearly 20% of salary cap.

If you can get some good production out of a young guy - see Jayden Daniels at $9.4M - now you have money to spend on talent around the QB.
 
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John Schneider's track record on offensive line has been terrible. If the Seahawks don't make it to the playoffs, and maybe past the opening round, I think Schneider's time in Seattle has come to an end.

I think Pete Carroll was the main guy finding the talent and making it work . Pete wanted the right personalities to fit his culture. I just don't see the same "magic" coming from John.
Maybe he can find some marginal DLs and switch them over!
 
Learn from history, or repeat it.

The best QB in the NFL will fail (or worse yet, be lost for the season) behind a poor O line.

Any stable journeyman QB in the NFL will do well behind a top O line.

Draft the line. Carry 3 QB's that can reliably take a snap and execute.

And if your O line is reasonably good, you need pass rush and CB's.

I don't need all the fingers on one hand to cover the NFL teams in any given year that do not need some of O line, pass rush or CB's. So use your top picks there.
The Joe Gibbs model
 
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