Chun and Schulz had better be in Irving Texas right now.

[Cougsocal]

It is every Pac-10 school for themselves right now. If they aren't trying to sell the Big 12 on the Cougs, they aren't doing their jobs. The time for team players, above board and collegial is over, its time to throw everyone we can under the bus, before they do it to us.

It simply business!

 

[PeteTheChop]

It is every Pac-10 school for themselves right now. If they aren't trying to sell the Big 12 on the Cougs, they aren't doing their jobs. The time for team players, above board and collegial is over, its time to throw everyone we can under the bus, before they do it to us.

It simply business!

What's going on in Irving, Tex?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

What's going on in Irving, Tex?

Big XII HQ.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Big XII HQ.

Thanks CSB!

Brand X ran an "opinion piece" yesterday where one of the site bigwigs said WSU and Dr. Schultz should work a deal and join the Big 12.

Sounds like DKS and his administration is working behind the scenes on this one

 

[chrisle]

I’m sorry you’re stuck with Schulz. If you had a decent President, it would help. The 8 big 12 schools who know Schulz don’t like him.

 

[PeteTheChop]

I’m sorry you’re stuck with Schulz. If you had a decent President, it would help. The 8 big 12 schools who know Schulz don’t like him.

Why?

Pac-12 reporter John Wilner thinks Schulz could become NCAA president should he ever choose to leave WSU

 

[chrisle]

Why?

Pac-12 reporter John Wilner thinks Schulz could become NCAA president should he ever choose to leave WSU

Schulz and John Currie were the K-State President and AD when the Big 12 lost 4 teams and almost lost 4 more to the PAC and died. Those two were repeatedly left shocked and unprepared throughout all the realignment stuff. They did nothing to work proactively and try to position K-State. They sat on their hands watching everyone leave, just hoping everything would be ok.

K-State is very similar to Oregon St and Wazzou in this mess. They could easily be left out in the future and would have been if the PAC decided to take Texas with the Longhorn network. No one still around in the Big 12 that worked with Schulz before would have any respect for him in realignment issues. He was a massive failure.

Oh, he did this too:

Why Washington State's Kirk Schulz thought George Kliavkoff was the right man to lead the Pac-12 into the future

George Kliavkoff had already won Kirk Schulz over by the time he arrived at a Zoom podium to discuss his new role as the Pac-12 Commissioner. Then he collected some extra brownie points from the Washington State University President.

www.spokesman.com

 

[PeteTheChop]

Schulz and John Currie were the K-State President and AD when the Big 12 lost 4 teams and almost lost 4 more to the PAC and died. Those two were repeatedly left shocked and unprepared throughout all the realignment stuff. They did nothing to work proactively and try to position K-State. They sat on their hands watching everyone leave, just hoping everything would be ok.

K-State is very similar to Oregon St and Wazzou in this mess. They could easily be left out in the future and would have been if the PAC decided to take Texas with the Longhorn network. No one still around in the Big 12 that worked with Schulz before would have any respect for him in realignment issues. He was a massive failure.

Oh, he did this too:

Why Washington State's Kirk Schulz thought George Kliavkoff was the right man to lead the Pac-12 into the future

George Kliavkoff had already won Kirk Schulz over by the time he arrived at a Zoom podium to discuss his new role as the Pac-12 Commissioner. Then he collected some extra brownie points from the Washington State University President.

www.spokesman.com

Thanks Chris Lee

DKS seems to have a lot of respect from his fellow Pac-12 presidents FWIW.

Maybe they like his hat

 

[Cougsocal]

Now is the time. Chun and Schulz can become legends at WSU, spoken of reverently. But if it plays out like many predict that everyone but us and OSU have a Power 4 landing spot, they will be seen as the architects of WSU's athletics demise. Sure the real blame lies with Elson Floyd, who was Larry Scott's biggest champion, and was instrumental in him retaining his job and promotion in 2013, but that is ancient history.

 

[95coug]

Schulz and John Currie were the K-State President and AD when the Big 12 lost 4 teams and almost lost 4 more to the PAC and died. Those two were repeatedly left shocked and unprepared throughout all the realignment stuff. They did nothing to work proactively and try to position K-State. They sat on their hands watching everyone leave, just hoping everything would be ok.

K-State is very similar to Oregon St and Wazzou in this mess. They could easily be left out in the future and would have been if the PAC decided to take Texas with the Longhorn network. No one still around in the Big 12 that worked with Schulz before would have any respect for him in realignment issues. He was a massive failure.

Oh, he did this too:

Why Washington State's Kirk Schulz thought George Kliavkoff was the right man to lead the Pac-12 into the future

George Kliavkoff had already won Kirk Schulz over by the time he arrived at a Zoom podium to discuss his new role as the Pac-12 Commissioner. Then he collected some extra brownie points from the Washington State University President.

www.spokesman.com

What exactly was K state going to do about others leaving the B12?

 

[roses04]

It will all work itself out, not sure how but it will. I’d rather stay out west, don’t care to travel to Ames, Lubbock, Stillwater. Rather go to Vegas, San Diego and Denver/Ft collins, and if need be Dallas, all sound like better travel destinations

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Schulz and John Currie were the K-State President and AD when the Big 12 lost 4 teams and almost lost 4 more to the PAC and died. Those two were repeatedly left shocked and unprepared throughout all the realignment stuff. They did nothing to work proactively and try to position K-State. They sat on their hands watching everyone leave, just hoping everything would be ok.

K-State is very similar to Oregon St and Wazzou in this mess. They could easily be left out in the future and would have been if the PAC decided to take Texas with the Longhorn network. No one still around in the Big 12 that worked with Schulz before would have any respect for him in realignment issues. He was a massive failure.

Oh, he did this too:

Why Washington State's Kirk Schulz thought George Kliavkoff was the right man to lead the Pac-12 into the future

George Kliavkoff had already won Kirk Schulz over by the time he arrived at a Zoom podium to discuss his new role as the Pac-12 Commissioner. Then he collected some extra brownie points from the Washington State University President.

www.spokesman.com

Nice article, but it is 2 years old. I don't have

It will all work itself out, not sure how but it will. I’d rather stay out west, don’t care to travel to Ames, Lubbock, Stillwater. Rather go to Vegas, San Diego and Denver/Ft collins, and if need be Dallas, all sound like better travel destinations

Spot on buddy.

 

[roses04]

Everyone thinks we need to jump leagues, and to be honest this Pac 12 TV deal isn't looking great at this point. However keep in mind when a team is added to a league, they typically get a little less than the other teams for a year or two, and then the pie is cut into 14 pieces instead of 12, or whatever the number is, so everyone makes a little less. ESPN is on hard times right now, they are not going to increase the amount of the TV contract just because you add a team or two, they might, but they don't have to. Other than Notre Dame, the big 10 isn't going to add anyone at this point until they firm up what they have in their current contract, I think they over promised teams in their league, and getting approval to add more at this time so they can take less isn't going to happen. The SEC has plenty of money, and I can see them kicking someone out of the league before adding another at this point. The Big 12 who just added Colorado and has now 13 teams is probably looking for another. Out of revenge I am sure they will try to take AZ. Currently at 12 teams I believe they claim there are at 31 million per team per year, they just added Colorado, if there is no increase in contract it drops to 28.6 per team, if they add a 14th that is 26.5 million per team. So as much as everyone is eager to add, adding teams is costing the current teams. Unless you can add teams cheaper then the current teams in the league for several years, it won't happen.

I am sure ESPN is watching the Pac 12 Apple streaming deal, I am sure they will start moving games to ESPN + so they can charge more, it's probably the only way they can come up with more money. As much as people may not like to pay extra for streaming services it is the wave of the future. Here is an interesting stat from July of 2022, and I would assume streaming numbers have increased since.

In the U.S., streaming captured 34.8% of viewership in July, while cable accounted for 34.4% and broadcast came in third at 21.6%.

So get a firestick, chromestick or hulu stick and get ready, because here it comes. Look I am an old fart, graduated in the 70's, I have a Firestick, chromestick, and have Fubo. Yes it is a little more complicated, but it's not that difficult, just don't let your wife touch the remote(s)

 

[Cougsocal]

Everyone thinks we need to jump leagues, and to be honest this Pac 12 TV deal isn't looking great at this point. However keep in mind when a team is added to a league, they typically get a little less than the other teams for a year or two, and then the pie is cut into 14 pieces instead of 12, or whatever the number is, so everyone makes a little less. ESPN is on hard times right now, they are not going to increase the amount of the TV contract just because you add a team or two, they might, but they don't have to. Other than Notre Dame, the big 10 isn't going to add anyone at this point until they firm up what they have in their current contract, I think they over promised teams in their league, and getting approval to add more at this time so they can take less isn't going to happen. The SEC has plenty of money, and I can see them kicking someone out of the league before adding another at this point. The Big 12 who just added Colorado and has now 13 teams is probably looking for another. Out of revenge I am sure they will try to take AZ. Currently at 12 teams I believe they claim there are at 31 million per team per year, they just added Colorado, if there is no increase in contract it drops to 28.6 per team, if they add a 14th that is 26.5 million per team. So as much as everyone is eager to add, adding teams is costing the current teams. Unless you can add teams cheaper then the current teams in the league for several years, it won't happen.

I am sure ESPN is watching the Pac 12 Apple streaming deal, I am sure they will start moving games to ESPN + so they can charge more, it's probably the only way they can come up with more money. As much as people may not like to pay extra for streaming services it is the wave of the future. Here is an interesting stat from July of 2022, and I would assume streaming numbers have increased since.

In the U.S., streaming captured 34.8% of viewership in July, while cable accounted for 34.4% and broadcast came in third at 21.6%.

So get a firestick, chromestick or hulu stick and get ready, because here it comes. Look I am an old fart, graduated in the 70's, I have a Firestick, chromestick, and have Fubo. Yes it is a little more complicated, but it's not that difficult, just don't let your wife touch the remote(s)

The Big 12 deal provides for adding members without a per school revenue reduction. It is a hell of a deal for the Big 12.

Streaming is the future no doubt, but this is a bad bad deal regardless of platform. Under this deal, the conference is effectively both the product/talent/entertainment and the marketer/promoter of the product. Its like being signed by a Vegas casino, but you are the one responsible for going out on the strip as the "barker," with a sandwich board and hand bills trying to get people in the door, and your pay is based on that effort. It is little more than Vaudeville 2.0. We likely will be net less than the 19.6 million base, because we are primarily responsible for the costs of product promotion and that ain't cheap.

 

[95coug]

The Big 12 deal provides for adding members without a per school revenue reduction. It is a hell of a deal for the Big 12.

Streaming is the future no doubt, but this is a bad bad deal regardless of platform. Under this deal, the conference is effectively both the product/talent/entertainment and the marketer/promoter of the product. Its like being signed by a Vegas casino, but you are the one responsible for going out on the strip as the "barker," with a sandwich board and hand bills trying to get people in the door, and your pay is based on that effort. It is little more than Vaudeville 2.0. We likely will be net less than the 19.6 million base, because we are primarily responsible for the costs of product promotion and that ain't cheap.

What gets me is that people are freaking out about the quality of the deal when - near as I can tell - there has been zero confirmation of the numbers. The $19.7M figure seems to have come from a tweet that was retweeted and picked up by media sources that aren't as concerned with confirmation as with clicks. Most sources aren't reporting a number at all, just that comes with incentives based on number of subscribers and needs further discussion.

In the end, to be honest, I just barely care. Most of the enjoyment of CFB has been bled out of it in the last few years. I renewed my tickets out of habit more than anticipation or desire, and I'm not as excited about the season as I used to be. Some of that is WSU's fault - not only have they done very little to improve the gameday experience for decades, but they removed what little they had done for little kids. But most of it is just the general CFB environment. I stopped watching the NFL because I got tired of its mercenary nature, but with the advent of NIL, the pro leagues now look like monuments to team loyalty in comparison.

 

[PeteTheChop]

I’d rather stay out west, don’t care to travel to Ames, Lubbock, Stillwater. Rather go to Vegas, San Diego and Denver/Ft collins, and if need be Dallas, all sound like better travel destinations

Spot on buddy.

Interesting to see how WSU home attendance and road attendance would be impacted if Dr. Shultz changes course and decides to take WSU to the Big XII like the Witter guy at Brand X is recommending.

Would most fans be like Loyal and boycott the road trips to "truck stop" destinations like some critics label Ames, Lubbock, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater etc, etc?

 

[ttowncoug]

The national college landscape doesn't want the Pac-12 to fail from what I can gather. I still think its likely UA bolts. I think ASU and Utah stay. I would add UNLV to replace UA. Plus SDSU, SMU and Tulane.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Interesting to see how WSU home attendance and road attendance would be impacted if Dr. Shultz changes course and decides to take WSU to the Big XII like the Witter guy at Brand X is recommending.

Would most fans be like Loyal and boycott the road trips to "truck stop" destinations like some critics label Ames, Lubbock, Manhattan, Morgantown, Stillwater etc, etc?

Been to a number of road games along the west coast and the travel contingent is MAYBE 200 strong at best. You can't even get Cougs to drive to Corvallis or Eugene to fill a section most years, so I doubt that anyone who decides to not go back east is going to be missed much as fars as number of fans goes.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The national college landscape doesn't want the Pac-12 to fail from what I can gather. I still think its likely UA bolts. I think ASU and Utah stay. I would add UNLV to replace UA. Plus SDSU, SMU and Tulane.

Why is Fresno never brought into these conversations? They seem to be semi-serious about their football program and are top of the MWC most years.

 

[Cougsocal]

What gets me is that people are freaking out about the quality of the deal when - near as I can tell - there has been zero confirmation of the numbers. The $19.7M figure seems to have come from a tweet that was retweeted and picked up by media sources that aren't as concerned with confirmation as with clicks. Most sources aren't reporting a number at all, just that comes with incentives based on number of subscribers and needs further discussion.

In the end, to be honest, I just barely care. Most of the enjoyment of CFB has been bled out of it in the last few years. I renewed my tickets out of habit more than anticipation or desire, and I'm not as excited about the season as I used to be. Some of that is WSU's fault - not only have they done very little to improve the gameday experience for decades, but they removed what little they had done for little kids. But most of it is just the general CFB environment. I stopped watching the NFL because I got tired of its mercenary nature, but with the advent of NIL, the pro leagues now look like monuments to team loyalty in comparison.

The sentiment you express mirrors mine, and if our sentiment is wide spread, those numbers are likely close to reality. What is certain is the Pac-10 couldn't be negotiating at a worse time.

 

[BSpike76]

The sentiment you express mirrors mine, and if our sentiment is wide spread, those numbers are likely close to reality. What is certain is the Pac-10 couldn't be negotiating at a worse time.

The last official anything I heard was “they were excited and getting ready to vote”. Did they? Was it approved/rejected? What is the number ?🤷🏼

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The last official anything I heard was “they were excited and getting ready to vote”. Did they? Was it approved/rejected? What is the number ?🤷🏼

According to the Yahoo article posted earlier, everyone left and is meeting at a to be determined date.

Yipee...

 

[BSpike76]

According to the Yahoo article posted earlier, everyone left and is meeting at a to be determined date.

Yipee...

🙄

 

[Stretch 74]

Schulz and John Currie were the K-State President and AD when the Big 12 lost 4 teams and almost lost 4 more to the PAC and died. Those two were repeatedly left shocked and unprepared throughout all the realignment stuff. They did nothing to work proactively and try to position K-State. They sat on their hands watching everyone leave, just hoping everything would be ok.

K-State is very similar to Oregon St and Wazzou in this mess. They could easily be left out in the future and would have been if the PAC decided to take Texas with the Longhorn network. No one still around in the Big 12 that worked with Schulz before would have any respect for him in realignment issues. He was a massive failure.

Oh, he did this too:

Why Washington State's Kirk Schulz thought George Kliavkoff was the right man to lead the Pac-12 into the future

George Kliavkoff had already won Kirk Schulz over by the time he arrived at a Zoom podium to discuss his new role as the Pac-12 Commissioner. Then he collected some extra brownie points from the Washington State University President.

www.spokesman.com

Well, since Shulz went through the process once already, there is a chance that he has learned some things that will help him/us out this time. It IS possible.

Lots of wailing, knashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, and last I knew everything was just speculation. Once the deal is finalized we can then discuss reasonably all of the pros and cons of the process and the results. Until then I just wait and see.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Well, since Shulz went through the process once already, there is a chance that he has learned some things that will help him/us out this time. It IS possible.

Lots of wailing, knashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, and last I knew everything was just speculation. Once the deal is finalized we can then discuss reasonably all of the pros and cons of the process and the results. Until then I just wait and see.

Yeah, this is worse than a head coaching vacancy.

 

[mikalalas]

What gets me is that people are freaking out about the quality of the deal when - near as I can tell - there has been zero confirmation of the numbers. The $19.7M figure seems to have come from a tweet that was retweeted and picked up by media sources that aren't as concerned with confirmation as with clicks. Most sources aren't reporting a number at all, just that comes with incentives based on number of subscribers and needs further discussion.

In the end, to be honest, I just barely care. Most of the enjoyment of CFB has been bled out of it in the last few years. I renewed my tickets out of habit more than anticipation or desire, and I'm not as excited about the season as I used to be. Some of that is WSU's fault - not only have they done very little to improve the gameday experience for decades, but they removed what little they had done for little kids. But most of it is just the general CFB environment. I stopped watching the NFL because I got tired of its mercenary nature, but with the advent of NIL, the pro leagues now look like monuments to team loyalty in comparison.

The reason the 19.7 is CLOSE to being accurate is:

1. Back when Colorado was still part of PAC, BEFORE announcing to leave to Big 12, the DEAL offer that the PAC was offered several times, was about 21 to 25 million, according to various, lots of credible sports media sources.

2. Losing Colorado is not going to make 21 to 25 million per team number go up. It will make that number go down to about 14 mil to 20 mil per team.

3. In light of that, the 19.7 mil per team number, and any other number that falls in the 14 mil to 20 mil range, is likely to be close to accurate, so the sources that are reporting that 19.7 mil number are likely, probably believable, close to being accurate, semi credible, etc.

4. The ONLY way that the PAC was going to be able to get 27 mil to 30 mil to 33 mil to 35 mil to 37 mil per team, is if the PAC had added SDSU, SMU, UNLV, then done the ACC/PAC scheduling, media alliance, then with that in hand, then gone to ESPN, FOX, etc, for a media deal that would have been about 39 mil per team deal.

5. But because PAC leadership was too stupid to do that, the PAC media deal was never going to be more then 25 mil per team.

6. And so the PAC media deal probably won't be more then 21 mil per team at the highest, even with Apple, internet streaming, etc, because of losing Colorado, USC, UCLA, not adding SDSU, etc, not doing alliance with ACC, bad leadership, instability, the threat of more PAC teams, possibly, probably leaving PAC, etc.

Those WSU fans who say, think otherwise are HOMERS.

 

[dgibbons]

Well, since Shulz went through the process once already, there is a chance that he has learned some things that will help him/us out this time. It IS possible.

Lots of wailing, knashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, and last I knew everything was just speculation. Once the deal is finalized we can then discuss reasonably all of the pros and cons of the process and the results. Until then I just wait and see.

If a deal is finalized. Seems quite possible, if not likely, that more schools bail.

 

[mikalalas]

If a deal is finalized. Seems quite possible, if not likely, that more schools bail.

Even if a deal is finalized ITS NOT BLOODY DAMN LIKELY THAT THE DEAL WOULD BE MORE THEN 21 MILLION AND WOULD BE THE AT LEAST 28+ MILLION PER TEAM DEAL THAT WOULD KEEP PAC TOGETHER.

The DEAL IS LIKELY TO BE BETWEEN ABOUT 15 TO 21 MILLION PER TEAM, which is likely NOT enough to keep PAC together.

Anyone who thinks differently then that is a POLLYANNA HOMER.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Been to a number of road games along the west coast and the travel contingent is MAYBE 200 strong at best. You can't even get Cougs to drive to Corvallis or Eugene to fill a section most years, so I doubt that anyone who decides to not go back east is going to be missed much as fars as number of fans goes.

Perhaps familiarity brings contempt but there were a lot of Cougs at the Wisconsin game last year and the WSU crowds at CU games were always pretty good.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Perhaps familiarity brings contempt but there were a lot of Cougs at the Wisconsin game last year and the WSU crowds at CU games were always pretty good.

Yeah I don't get where Bleeds 200 traveling fans come from. Maybe he forgot a zero on that number. Cougs travel well - a helluva a lot more than 200.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Another day passes by and the Pacwhatever, still doesn’t know it’s financial numbers, even after being told we’d know in 48 hrs. These people are completely incompetent and apparently dishonest on top of it. I feel so done with these people.