Current events thread perhaps?

[Observer11]

FWIW, Israel has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians in the past 15 months. To act like a price has not been paid is kind of stupid. I don't agree with Hamas or their objectives and I do believe that they should release the hostages.....but it's not our fight and never should have been.

Now do Ukraine.

 

[dgibbons]

If this was on Biden or Obama’s watch these dipshits would be losing their F’n minds 😂. The jokes write themselves.

It was Biden's watch less than 30 days ago, and no one was losing their minds.

 

[UberCougars]

FWIW, Israel has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians in the past 15 months. To act like a price has not been paid is kind of stupid. I don't agree with Hamas or their objectives and I do believe that they should release the hostages.....but it's not our fight and never should have been.

Hamas made a deal.

Hamas is in charge.

Hamas holds the fate of the Palestinians in their hands.

They seemingly want to call Trumps bluff and kill the deal they agreed to. You seem to think they’re justified in unilaterally killing the deal they agreed to. Trump has graciously granted Hamas an extension to the deadline to Noon Saturday.

I guess we will see if Trump caves or not.

Astute readers will note my feelings aren’t part of the equation.

 

[Coug90]

It was Biden's watch less than 30 days ago, and no one was losing their minds.

Biden said we were gonna take control of Gaza? Damn I must have missed that one.

 

[UberCougars]

Tulsi confirmation has me wondering, was all that drama necessary?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Now do Ukraine.

I don't believe that we should spend billions of dollars rebuilding Ukraine and we should not be talking about forcing Ukrainians to leave their country so that we can build resorts and I don't think we should be send US troops into Ukraine.

A key difference between Ukraine and Gaza is that in Ukraine, we are providing weapons to the people that are being attacked by an aggressor that's trying to take over their country. In Gaza, we have been supporting the aggressor that is killing civilians and destroying all of the housing and infrastructure in a densely packed urban area in retaliation for the deaths of approximately 1,000 people.

By supporting Ukraine with our older equipment and munitions, we are weakening a long term foe that is a direct threat to US interests and many US allies. In Israel, we have a government that is gradually displacing an entire population of people in the West Bank as they fail to live within their own borders. So much of the stress and anger in the Middle East is because Israel is the aggressor infringing on the rights of others. I don't support Hamas and I think Israel had the right to retaliate for Hamas' actions in October 2023, but I don't support the war crimes that have been committed in that retaliation.

The two situations are polar opposites of each other.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Hamas made a deal.

Hamas is in charge.

Hamas holds the fate of the Palestinians in their hands.

They seemingly want to call Trumps bluff and kill the deal they agreed to. You seem to think they’re justified in unilaterally killing the deal they agreed to. Trump has graciously granted Hamas an extension to the deadline to Noon Saturday.

I guess we will see if Trump caves or not.

Astute readers will note my feelings aren’t part of the equation.

It's not Trump's deal to be worrying about. Truly astute readers and observers would know that.

FWIW, Israel is out there killing people during the ceasefire....so one might wonder who isn't holding up their part of the deal.

 

[Observer11]

I don't believe that we should spend billions of dollars rebuilding Ukraine and we should not be talking about forcing Ukrainians to leave their country so that we can build resorts and I don't think we should be send US troops into Ukraine.

A key difference between Ukraine and Gaza is that in Ukraine, we are providing weapons to the people that are being attacked by an aggressor that's trying to take over their country. In Gaza, we have been supporting the aggressor that is killing civilians and destroying all of the housing and infrastructure in a densely packed urban area in retaliation for the deaths of approximately 1,000 people.

By supporting Ukraine with our older equipment and munitions, we are weakening a long term foe that is a direct threat to US interests and many US allies. In Israel, we have a government that is gradually displacing an entire population of people in the West Bank as they fail to live within their own borders. So much of the stress and anger in the Middle East is because Israel is the aggressor infringing on the rights of others. I don't support Hamas and I think Israel had the right to retaliate for Hamas' actions in October 2023, but I don't support the war crimes that have been committed in that retaliation.

The two situations are polar opposites of each other.

They are almost exactly the same - just different sides of the coin.

I am opposed to US involvement in both.

 

[dgibbons]

Biden said we were gonna take control of Gaza? Damn I must have missed that one.

Biden couldn't get a ceasefire done. Trump did. Biden had no plan. Trump has something, even if you don't like it. October 7 was on Biden's watch, not Trump's.

I'll pose the question to you that Flatland won't answer- What is your solution?

 

[M-I-Coug]

Good news!

President Donald Trump upended three years of U.S. policy toward Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had agreed to begin negotiations on ending the war following a dramatic prisoner swap.

Trump said in a social media post that he and Putin held a lengthy phone call during which they committed to “work together, very closely” to bring the conflict to an end and would meet in person, including perhaps in each other’s countries.

It was unclear how closely Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy would be involved. Trump held a phone call with him Wednesday, Ukrainian presidential adviser Dmytro Lytvyn said, characterizing it as a “good conversation.”

 

[Stretch 74]

LOL

I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying to come up with a reasonable response to my post, because you certainly didn't.

 

[Stretch 74]

Some corrections:

Which side is it that promoted open borders with absolutely no consequence for ILLEGALLY entering the country?

Both, actually. There's been little to no action on immigration in decades. And it was Reagan - a republican - who approved an amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1984. Trump managed to turn it into a flashpoint by acting like a tiny fraction of immigrants represent all of them, and made it a key talking point while never really doing that much about it. ***The right may not have done a lot over the years, but they did not actively invite the invasion that we saw over the past 4 years, and ignore the ones that did crash the border. Just look at the numbers.

Is it the left or the right that that has been electing and appointing politicians and prosecutors that promote no cash bail,

Left, mostly ***I would say it is left only.

freeing those already convicted,

Both, as long as they were friends. ***Somewhat, but mostly left.

allowing theft up to $950 without prosecution, down charging crimes from felonies to misdemeanors,

Not sure about the first part, I haven't seen this. But really, this isn't a decision for left/right - these are both decisions made by prosecutors, and those decisions are usually heavily based on workload and probability of a conviction. Plea bargains are extremely common in all jurisdictions. ***Allowing theft of up to $950 was a California thing. Not sure if anywhere else jumped on board, but CA does fancy itself as the leader. Places like LA, NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, CA, NY, IL are all places that had AG's and DA's heavily funded by Soros and all went soft on crime because of systemic racism and associated bullshit. Places like TX and FL take a different approach.

and seldom prosecuting anyone that riot out in the streets?

Well, to be fair, what's the point of prosecuting people who riot or who invade the capitol when the next president is just going to pardon them all anyway? ***I guess that is just the risk that everyone must take, since the president has that authority. I will point out though that the January 6 folks (which is your obvious reference) at least spent time in prison, whereas the vast majority of BLM rioters were not even apprehended. And while damage to the capital was relatively small in value, the BLM riots destroyed billions and billions of both public and private property.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

They are almost exactly the same - just different sides of the coin.

I am opposed to US involvement in both.

That's fair.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying to come up with a reasonable response to my post, because you certainly didn't.

My response reflected the exact level of effort that was reasonable for your post.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Biden couldn't get a ceasefire done. Trump did. Biden had no plan. Trump has something, even if you don't like it. October 7 was on Biden's watch, not Trump's.

I'll pose the question to you that Flatland won't answer- What is your solution?

FWIW....it's not our job to have a solution. We.......shouldn't.......be........involved.

And we certainly shouldn't be suggesting committing a war crime and shipping millions of people to other countries.

My solution to the situation in Israel would have been to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel last year and if that didn't get them to stop demolishing Gaza....I would have cut off all aid to Israel. We should not have been supporting what is going on in Gaza.

 

[Stretch 74]

My response reflected the exact level of effort that was reasonable for your post.

LOL

 

[dgibbons]

FWIW....it's not our job to have a solution. We.......shouldn't.......be........involved.

And we certainly shouldn't be suggesting committing a war crime and shipping millions of people to other countries.

My solution to the situation in Israel would have been to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel last year and if that didn't get them to stop demolishing Gaza....I would have cut off all aid to Israel. We should not have been supporting what is going on in Gaza.

Biden got us involved, and every President that came before him since 1948 has a hand in it too.

An IDF v. Hamas death match is a viable alternative. If the US doesn't supply weapons, South Korea, India, or worst of all China will. And the US would be violating various agreements with Israel if we cut them off.

 

[UberCougars]

FWIW....it's not our job to have a solution. We.......shouldn't.......be........involved.

And we certainly shouldn't be suggesting committing a war crime and shipping millions of people to other countries.

My solution to the situation in Israel would have been to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel last year and if that didn't get them to stop demolishing Gaza....I would have cut off all aid to Israel. We should not have been supporting what is going on in Gaza.

King Dollar.

 

[UberCougars]

Oh my, sounds bad. Has the Rhode Island judge approved of this phone call or just Trump going rogue?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889722028120285217?s=46

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Biden got us involved, and every President that came before him since 1948 has a hand in it too.

An IDF v. Hamas death match is a viable alternative. If the US doesn't supply weapons, South Korea, India, or worst of all China will. And the US would be violating various agreements with Israel if we cut them off.

And Biden was wrong to keep giving Israel weapons in that fight. We didn't need to oppose Israel and support Hamas...but we should have stepped back once Israel started using the tactics that they did. I'm not sure that we had an agreement with Israel saying that they could decimate entire cities looking for hostages.

And do you really think Israel would go running to South Korea, India or China? Y'all love to back the Cheeto-in-Chief as he makes outlandish claims and comments, but Biden would have been wrong to do the same thing? One might ask if we are driving Canada, Denmark, Mexico and Panama towards having stronger relationships with China......

 

[dgibbons]

And Biden was wrong to keep giving Israel weapons in that fight. We didn't need to oppose Israel and support Hamas...but we should have stepped back once Israel started using the tactics that they did. I'm not sure that we had an agreement with Israel saying that they could decimate entire cities looking for hostages.

And do you really think Israel would go running to South Korea, India or China? Y'all love to back the Cheeto-in-Chief as he makes outlandish claims and comments, but Biden would have been wrong to do the same thing? One might ask if we are driving Canada, Denmark, Mexico and Panama towards having stronger relationships with China......

Well, write a letter to your congressional representatives I guess. Or maybe to the Cheeto or Elon. Foreign aid to both Israel and Egypt is what sealed the deal on the Camp David accords. We have all kinds of agreements with Israel for economic and military aid.

And yes I think Israel would find someone else to supply weapons if the US cut them off as you stated. What else would Israel do? France used to be a major weapons supplier to Israel.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Well, write a letter to your congressional representatives I guess. Or maybe to the Cheeto or Elon. Foreign aid to both Israel and Egypt is what sealed the deal on the Camp David accords. We have all kinds of agreements with Israel for economic and military aid.

And yes I think Israel would find someone else to supply weapons if the US cut them off as you stated. What else would Israel do? France used to be a major weapons supplier to Israel.

You think Israel will jump right in bed with China if we were to tell them that they can't use US weapons and ammunition to demolish Gaza but you don't think that Canada, Mexico, Denmark and Panama wouldn't go to China for help if we try to screw them over? That makes sense.

FWIW, I'm not saying that we quit supporting Israel completely...but we shouldn't be complicit to war crimes either.