Dickert = Doba? Rogers = Wulff

[CougEd]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

 

[froropmkr72]

Yea right!!

 

[UberCougars]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

Why do you believe him to lack recruiting contacts? Coaching contacts? What inside information do you have to his upbringing? His experiences?

 

[froropmkr72]

Why do you believe him to lack recruiting contacts? Coaching contacts? What inside information do you have to his upbringing? His experiences?

Give him a moment......he'll think of something.

 

[froropmkr72]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

Ed, I was so inspired by the hire that gave an amount on behave of your name to the Cougar Collective, I hope you're happy !!!

 

[WaltherPPK]

More upside potential than down because :

1. IF bringing most/all of his staff then :

A. staff recruiting areas include Wisconsin, the Dakotas, Illinois/Chicago, Colorado, Kansas/Oklahoma and Nebraska/Iowa. The mid west and upper mid west have more potential to attract linemen - find sleeper talent than the west coast. A staff with recruiting history in this part of the country is a plus.

B. The offensive scheme most likely to come with the new coach/staff is known for its offensive line, which has been called the "605 Hogs". The offense also features a quarterback run game, convertible reads and play-action passing. Add to this :

C. Take a look at the Football record board by position for stats such as Power clean and Bench press. Negative is that this board was last updated July of 2021. There is potential that this philosophy / training will come with the staff.

My position at this time is that given the current state of WSU leadership, PAC 7 state at this time, WSU financial condition, campus location, NIL, transfer portal chaos and current Football roster then the hire has, like I said above, more up than down. A more focused assessment will not be possible until the 1st three games of the 25 season have been played. Until then, I like the hire.

 

[Cougsocal]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

Ed, "carry the room," really? You and I are old, and we have old ideas, but have you heard of NIL? Carrying the room and "facilities" means next to nothing in the era of pro college football. You offer a kid 10K more to play than the competition, he doesn't give a rat's arse whether the coach carries the room. The 600 Lbs. gorilla problem is Rogers is a run first, power football coach, who only knows the SDSU system, who is now coming to a program that can't remotely afford to finance a successful run first power football offense. Everyone is after power football OLs and RBs at the FBS level, and they aren't the "slip through the cracks" kids, they are the obvious 4 and 5 star recruits/portal transfers.

Also, FYI the FOB construction was given the go ahead by the regents 2 weeks before WSU hired Leach. Leach could certainly carry the room, but he had nothing to do with the facilities improvements, that was all Moos and Floyd before he showed up. Unfortunately, these are same facilities, the cost of which, ham strung our subsequent ability to retain assistants under Leach, and are still causing us major financial problems to this day. That said, a Leach tree coach would have been a much better hire and fit. Though it has several limitations, the "Air Raid" remains a great "do more with less" system, which WSU needs to compete in the NIL world.

Now that WSU has gone down the absurd "run first power football" path, our only hope is to spend what it will take to hire Jim Michalczik away from Michigan State. He is the undermanned OL run game miracle worker. Without him this is going to be a train wreck.

 

[dgibbons]

Ed, "carry the room," really? You and I are old, and we have old ideas, but have you heard of NIL? Carrying the room and "facilities" means next to nothing in the era of pro college football. You offer a kid 10K more to play than the competition, he doesn't give a rat's arse whether the coach carries the room. The 600 Lbs. gorilla problem is Rogers is a run first, power football coach, who only knows the SDSU system, who is now coming to a program that can't remotely afford to finance a successful run first power football offense. Everyone is after power football OLs and RBs at the FBS level, and they aren't the "slip through the cracks" kids, they are the obvious 4 and 5 star recruits/portal transfers.

Also, FYI the FOB construction was given the go ahead by the regents 2 weeks before WSU hired Leach. Leach could certainly carry the room, but he had nothing to do with the facilities improvements, that was all Moos and Floyd before he showed up. Unfortunately, these are same facilities, the cost of which, ham strung our subsequent ability to retain assistants under Leach, and are still causing us major financial problems to this day. That said, a Leach tree coach would have been a much better hire and fit. Though it has several limitations, the "Air Raid" remains a great "do more with less" system, which WSU needs to compete in the NIL world.

Now that WSU has gone down the absurd "run first power football" path, our only hope is to spend what it will take to hire Jim Michalczik away from Michigan State. He is the undermanned OL run game miracle worker. Without him this is going to be a train wreck.

The offensive scheme concerns me also. In addition to what you said, when I hear “pro style” or “multiple” offense, that means out-talenting the opponent. Not a great fit at WSU in my opinion.

 

[COUGinNCW]

He’s a defensive coach. Is it a lock that’s the O he’ll be running or is he open to bringing in an outside OC?

 

[dgibbons]

He’s a defensive coach. Is it a lock that’s the O he’ll be running or is he open to bringing in an outside OC?

Not sure that we know.

I also assume that some of the guys on the South Dakota State staff will bite on a promotion and a pay raise to stay.

 

[CougEd]

Ed, "carry the room," really? You and I are old, and we have old ideas, but have you heard of NIL? Carrying the room and "facilities" means next to nothing in the era of pro college football. You offer a kid 10K more to play than the competition, he doesn't give a rat's arse whether the coach carries the room. The 600 Lbs. gorilla problem is Rogers is a run first, power football coach, who only knows the SDSU system, who is now coming to a program that can't remotely afford to finance a successful run first power football offense. Everyone is after power football OLs and RBs at the FBS level, and they aren't the "slip through the cracks" kids, they are the obvious 4 and 5 star recruits/portal transfers.

Also, FYI the FOB construction was given the go ahead by the regents 2 weeks before WSU hired Leach. Leach could certainly carry the room, but he had nothing to do with the facilities improvements, that was all Moos and Floyd before he showed up. Unfortunately, these are same facilities, the cost of which, ham strung our subsequent ability to retain assistants under Leach, and are still causing us major financial problems to this day. That said, a Leach tree coach would have been a much better hire and fit. Though it has several limitations, the "Air Raid" remains a great "do more with less" system, which WSU needs to compete in the NIL world.

Now that WSU has gone down the absurd "run first power football" path, our only hope is to spend what it will take to hire Jim Michalczik away from Michigan State. He is the undermanned OL run game miracle worker. Without him this is going to be a train wreck.

I don't disagree with really anything you posted.

Let me start with the big red flag which you stated ... the offensive scheme. Doba tried that (while McCoy was there) and it was a disaster for several reasons. First, the rest of the Pac 10 was moving to a higher pace more explosive league. Doba burns clock to ho between the 20's and Cal and Oregon are in the end zone on four plays.

Second, WSU got athletes wanting tk llay in a high scoring chuck the ball around offense, and when the new freshman discovered WSU has five other recivers older and more proficient they would move to tbe other side of the ball. I dont think it is a coincidence that WSU got slower over the Doba tenure and I think moving to a ball control offense.

I think Jim Milhalchik is the best oline coach in the country, and why Leach and Dickert never reached out to him abd we make "Toby" McGuire oline coach two separate two times and not at least trying to bring him home is a travesty. Smith will be fired in two years. Give Jim M a ten year 900k contract and he coaches through change in head coach. Permanent employee until he retires

Second , I agree a figure head doesn't mean jack today in terms of player recruitment , nor do facilities. But it meant everything to CU in getting the first invite to the Big 12. Think of CU last road game against the Cougs . The number 11 team in the conference beat number 12 by 42 points and manhandled them.

Who was the first team that bailed on the Pac 8 after Oregon announced?

The job for the head coach was to get us in a power conference . You don't think TV execs wouldnt love to see Urban Meyer or Rick Neuheisel on the sidelines and in the interview room?

It was like Walden back in the day. Keot the Cougs relevant by his mouth. "We hit run over by a damn moped" or "we teach our kids to turn on their car lights at night".

When I say carry a room it is for conference building...

 

[dgibbons]

I don't disagree with really anything you posted.

Let me start with the big red flag which you stated ... the offensive scheme. Doba tried that (while McCoy was there) and it was a disaster for several reasons. First, the rest of the Pac 10 was moving to a higher pace more explosive league. Doba burns clock to ho between the 20's and Cal and Oregon are in the end zone on four plays.

Second, WSU got athletes wanting tk llay in a high scoring chuck the ball around offense, and when the new freshman discovered WSU has five other recivers older and more proficient they would move to tbe other side of the ball. I dont think it is a coincidence that WSU got slower over the Doba tenure and I think moving to a ball control offense.

I think Jim Milhalchik is the best oline coach in the country, and why Leach and Dickert never reached out to him abd we make "Toby" McGuire oline coach two separate two times and not at least trying to bring him home is a travesty. Smith will be fired in two years. Give Jim M a ten year 900k contract and he coaches through change in head coach. Permanent employee until he retires

Second , I agree a figure head doesn't mean jack today in terms of player recruitment , nor do facilities. But it meant everything to CU in getting the first invite to the Big 12. Think of CU last road game against the Cougs . The number 11 team in the conference beat number 12 by 42 points and manhandled them.

Who was the first team that bailed on the Pac 8 after Oregon announced?

The job for the head coach was to get us in a power conference . You don't think TV execs wouldnt love to see Urban Meyer or Rick Neuheisel on the sidelines and in the interview room?

It was like Walden back in the day. Keot the Cougs relevant by his mouth. "We hit run over by a damn moped" or "we teach our kids to turn on their car lights at night".

When I say carry a room it is for conference building...

We’ve gone from magic eye for talent to room carrying. Victory assured.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

It is way too early to be making predictions on Rogers.

 

[CougPatrol]

I'm not worried about his scheme. The old P12 conference is gone. We now compete against Oregon State, Fresno, Boise, CSU, SDSU, Utah State, and a team TBD. Whatever step up Rogers is making from South Dakota State isn't a particularly big one.

The portal is going to impact all of the programs in our new league, but one advantage I see WSU having over our new conference peers is at the QB position. We've always had a QBU reputation, and the recent success of Minchew, Ward, and Mateer have only enhanced that. I've heard that Rogers is a good recruiter. If he can duplicate his defensive blueprint at WSU, I think we'll continue to attract high end QBs and skill position players.

 

[Coug1990]

A couple thoughts. When things started to go south for Doba his lack of head coaching experience reared its ugly head and he couldnt get things back on track.

The job for Dickert especially the changes that occurred he couldn't get the train back on track and his lack of head coaching experience came into play.

Paul Wulff had limited exposure to other programs and other potential coaches and coaching ideas. Rogers is cut from that cloth and it does raise a yellow flag for me.

The difference is Rogers isn't competing against USC and UCLA and the like. So maybe lack of coaching contacts and recruiting contacts will not hamper his success at WSU

It has been my contention that the job isn't one about great coaching and strategy at this point, but someone who can carry the room. They need a figure head . What was Mike Leach at three years? 12/24? Record was not his primary importance. Getting the FOB built , practice facility etc was the most important aspect of the job at that point.

I think Doba's problem was dealing with his dying wife with cancer, not lack of head coaching experience.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I think Doba's problem was dealing with his dying wife with cancer, not lack of head coaching experience.

And his WSU alum laden assistants who sat on their asses during this time instead of picking up the slack. Although Ken Greene was apparently busy. I never did figure out whether he was boinking a coed or a recruit's mom towards the end. Anyone have a better recollection?

 

[palouse*rr]

I think Doba's problem was dealing with his dying wife with cancer, not lack of head coaching experience.

Add to that Doba and staff got a big head after beating Texas in Holiday Bowl...Thought they could recruit with the big boys for 4-5 stars...When that didn't pan out he had to take those that were left...Talent then got smaller and slower...The trend continued under Wulff....

 

[CougEd]

And his WSU alum laden assistants who sat on their asses during this time instead of picking up the slack. Although Ken Greene was apparently busy. I never did figure out whether he was boinking a coed or a recruit's mom towards the end. Anyone have a better recollection?

Boinking a 21 year Pullman girl/coed. Talk about being plain stupid, did it at the golf fundraising tourney. And Loyal, I would bet you know the woman

 

[CougEd]

I think Doba's problem was dealing with his dying wife with cancer, not lack of head coaching experience.

Doba's dying wife didn't have much to do with him calling a timeout on a 4th and our against Stanford, late in the 4th quarter, then sending out the punt team only to run a bad fake punt. Maybe the thinking is Stanford has a bunch of dummy's.

 

[PeteTheChop]

"Rogers = Wulff"

Let's hope @CougEd is wrong for once

 

[longtimecoug]

"Rogers = Wulff"

Let's hope @CougEd is wrong for once

For once?

 

[CougEd]

For once?

For once-today. That is what he meant...

 

[ttowncoug]

"Rogers = Wulff"

Let's hope @CougEd is wrong for once

It’s that quote from Schulz that frustrates me. We should be looking to move up to the big12

 

[froropmkr72]

For once-today. That is what he meant...

How does that compare to a broken clock?

 

[PeteTheChop]

It’s that quote from Schulz that frustrates me. We should be looking to move up to the big12

Ideally Doc Schulz is working behind the scenes to make that happen

 

[Observer11]

Ideally Doc Schulz is working behind the scenes to make that happen

Look, Boss! The plane! The plane!

 

[Cougini5591]

And his WSU alum laden assistants who sat on their asses during this time instead of picking up the slack. Although Ken Greene was apparently busy. I never did figure out whether he was boinking a coed or a recruit's mom towards the end. Anyone have a better recollection?

Some of his assistants were the greatest we ever had

 

[Cougini5591]

Doba's dying wife didn't have much to do with him calling a timeout on a 4th and our against Stanford, late in the 4th quarter, then sending out the punt team only to run a bad fake punt. Maybe the thinking is Stanford has a bunch of dummy's.

I remember that. It sucked.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Ideally Doc Schulz is working behind the scenes to make that happen

The only thing he's working on behind the scenes is his retirement cruise planning.