Does what Leach accomplished carry over in Pullman, or

[CougEd]

is it a total reset. We saw with Doba the winning culture dissipate rather quickly.

And where are we in terms of talent. Can the culture carry over and is there enough talent to win the next three years, or is it a rebuild. Did Leach follow Dennis Erickson's path and get out when the lack of talent was about to be exposed in a year or two?

 

[CougPatrol]

is it a total reset. We saw with Doba the winning culture dissipate rather quickly.

And where are we in terms of talent. Can the culture carry over and is there enough talent to win the next three years, or is it a rebuild. Did Leach follow Dennis Erickson's path and get out when the lack of talent was about to be exposed in a year or two?

Leach has wanted out of Pullman for a couple of years now. It's hard to say that he's bolting this year because of talent deficiencies, as he wanted to bolt before the Minshew season.

 

[etowncoug]

is it a total reset. We saw with Doba the winning culture dissipate rather quickly.

And where are we in terms of talent. Can the culture carry over and is there enough talent to win the next three years, or is it a rebuild. Did Leach follow Dennis Erickson's path and get out when the lack of talent was about to be exposed in a year or two?

Next year is going to be rough. Our roster is built to run Leach's Air Raid and we already didn't have a QB. I figured the offense would be ok because Leach would find a grad transfer. Now I'm unsure.

The defense was always going to be a work in progress next year. Perhaps we can get a coordinator who turns things around some but it took Grinch two years to turn the defense into a strength and we might be in a similar boat.

The positive is we have 7 more scholarships to hand out.

I expect next year to be a painful transitional year. 3-4 wins. Continuing the success from Leach would mean we get someone who rights the ship again in year two.

 

[FnuLnu]

is it a total reset. We saw with Doba the winning culture dissipate rather quickly.

And where are we in terms of talent. Can the culture carry over and is there enough talent to win the next three years, or is it a rebuild. Did Leach follow Dennis Erickson's path and get out when the lack of talent was about to be exposed in a year or two?

Dennis Erickson left because of lack of talent?

 

[etowncoug]

Dennis Erickson left because of lack of talent?

Facts invented out of thin air to fit whatever narrative he wants to spin.

 

[dgibbons]

is it a total reset. We saw with Doba the winning culture dissipate rather quickly.

And where are we in terms of talent. Can the culture carry over and is there enough talent to win the next three years, or is it a rebuild. Did Leach follow Dennis Erickson's path and get out when the lack of talent was about to be exposed in a year or two?

Recruiting was the problem in that transition. And that Doba didn't necessarily have the stones to demand more from Sterk.

 

[CougEd]

Facts invented out of thin air to fit whatever narrative he wants to spin.

No....I didn't say he left because lack of talent. He took a better job, but he also knew the talent level wasn't near what he inherited. Same thing happened when he left Miami. Inherited the best running game in the country, he was ranked in the last 15 in the country when he left.

 

[Cougsocal]

Dennis Erickson left because of lack of talent?

Erickson had two really crappy recruiting classes, Bob Garman, Jason Hanson and little else. The talent left was largely Walden hold overs like Broussard. So the rumor was Erickson bolted because he didn't think he could recruit well enough to win in Pullman long term. However, Miami at the time was a hell of a draw.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

From a facilities standpoint, WSU is so far ahead of where we were in 2003 that it's not even the same conversation. It is absolutely imperative that we get a new IPF at some point, but I've been in the bubble and it's "fine" and does the job it needs to do.

I know that everyone is down on the defense, but it was loaded with a bunch of dudes that don't have a lot of experience and it showed. A good DC can make our defense decent enough to allow our offense to compete. The other thing about the Erickson to Price exchange was that it ended up being Mike Price's job to clean up the culture of our team. Dennis Erickson was a big believer in the MCMW mantra (More Criminals More Wins) and he recruited a lot of sketchy dudes that were gone pretty quickly. Also, Price created his own problems by playing Bledsoe when he had other pretty damned good QB's on the roster in 1990 and that wrecked the team chemistry.

It will not be surprising if we struggle next year, but if we get the right guy.....don't be surprised if we are decent. KSU went 5-7 in 2018. They went 4-0 against bad teams and 1-7 against teams with winning records. You could argue that KSU had been trending down for a few years. They lose Snyder (ran him out?) and hire Klieman from NDSU. They went 8-4 in the 2019 regular season including 5-1 against bad teams and 3-3 against teams with winning records......including a win over eventual CFP participant Oklahoma. Coaching changes can be a good thing.

They can also be bad. This is going to be a big decision for Chun and one that he needs to get right.

 

[CougEd]

Dennis Erickson left because of lack of talent?

Not what I said at all. I met someone who worked for Dennis at one of his stops in his coaching career. Said Dennis was brilliant at taking jobs. He never got stale. Any area that his program lacked it never was on him. (except ASU). He never stayed long enough for recruiting mistakes, bad coaching hires, or even academics to pull him down.

 

[CougEd]

Erickson had two really crappy recruiting classes, Bob Garman, Jason Hanson and little else. The talent left was largely Walden hold overs like Broussard. So the rumor was Erickson bolted because he didn't think he could recruit well enough to win in Pullman long term. However, Miami at the time was a hell of a draw.

He won the lottery.

 

[CougEd]

From a facilities standpoint, WSU is so far ahead of where we were in 2003 that it's not even the same conversation. It is absolutely imperative that we get a new IPF at some point, but I've been in the bubble and it's "fine" and does the job it needs to do.

I know that everyone is down on the defense, but it was loaded with a bunch of dudes that don't have a lot of experience and it showed. A good DC can make our defense decent enough to allow our offense to compete. The other thing about the Erickson to Price exchange was that it ended up being Mike Price's job to clean up the culture of our team. Dennis Erickson was a big believer in the MCMW mantra (More Criminals More Wins) and he recruited a lot of sketchy dudes that were gone pretty quickly. Also, Price created his own problems by playing Bledsoe when he had other pretty damned good QB's on the roster in 1990 and that wrecked the team chemistry.

It will not be surprising if we struggle next year, but if we get the right guy.....don't be surprised if we are decent. KSU went 5-7 in 2018. They went 4-0 against bad teams and 1-7 against teams with winning records. You could argue that KSU had been trending down for a few years. They lose Snyder (ran him out?) and hire Klieman from NDSU. They went 8-4 in the 2019 regular season including 5-1 against bad teams and 3-3 against teams with winning records......including a win over eventual CFP participant Oklahoma. Coaching changes can be a good thing.

They can also be bad. This is going to be a big decision for Chun and one that he needs to get right.

The question in the last five years how have we recruited with those facilities and a very experienced and successful head coach.

 

[CCCDDD]

Probably not. You’ve recruited for a one-way system on both sides of the ball.

Unless the new HC wants to play a similar brand, it’s going to be rough for a while.