ESPN Reporting: Colorado discussing move from Pac-12 to Big 12, sources say
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You and Pete are the biggest HOMERS.
In theory, yes Colorado can be semi technically semi replaced by a CSU, etc, BUT.
1. The STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCY of the commish, Shultz, presidents would prevent it.
2. Colorado is a HUGE market that CSU wouldn't even come close to replacing.
3. Losing and not being able to replace that market, when combined with not replacing the UCLA, USC market with SDSU, etc, means a even more ULTIMATE SHITTIER MEDIA DEAL.
4. That makes it even more likely that Arizona, ASU, Utah, Oregon, UW, Stanford, Cal, Ore St, etc, is going to LIFEBOAT leave, have the PAC becomes the PAC 1, WSU, with WSU, Schultz, SCREWED, holding the bag.
All of us have showed, explained the logic, facts, etc, to you.
And you still are being HOMERS, being like ED, etc, despite that.
Stop being HOMERS, and stop being like ED.
Am I disappointed. Yes. Am I giving anyone a free pass. No
That said. We have to move quickly and not this. Inaction is not a strategy. We have to get a deal done.
Yeah we've been hearing and saying that for what - 6 months?
And remember Kliatvkoff recently said there is no hurry to get the media deal done. Think his attitude changed in the last day or two?
PAC has so screwed the pooch. What kills me is how many millions are different between the Bi-12 and whatever the PAC's deal will be? A few million a year? That's grounds to jump leagues?
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Your right that inaction is not acceptable.
And while should, have to get what will amount to be a now even more shittier deal done, because the commish, Schultz, Presidents were too stupid to get SDSU, SMU, UNLV, a joint ACC/PAC alliance, which would have resulted in a non shitty 39 million per team deal.
But even tho have to technically do a now Shitty media deal, that won't be of any use at all in about 3 to 6 to 9 months because it will be the PAC 1, WSU in about a year.
What has to, should be done is:
1. HAVE SCHULTZ, WSU TRY TO LIFEBOAT TO THE BIG 12.
2. If step 1 fails, do a shitty media deal.
3. When it's the PAC 1, WSU, retain the PAC brand, IMMEDIATLY FIRE THE COMMISH, and get SDSU, SMU, UNLV, Tulane, BSU, NDSU, Air force, Hawaii, Wyoming, CSU, Utah State, Tulsa, New Mexico, New Mexico St, Gonzaga, Rice, etc, to join WSU to become the new PAC 18.
Which is better then doing nothing.
But I doubt that Schultz is competent enough to do that.
Inaction has kind of been the P12's strategy for a decade now and they still had a ton of people crowing about how great leadership was yesterday.
No Gonzaga, no BSU. NDSU is not even D-1.
If Colorado bolts, and the league doesn't implode, we need to retrench in the West. SDSU, UNLV, CSU or maybe Fresno. Get back to 12 and try to weather the storm.
If CU leaves, SDSU is the biggest winner. They suddenly go from just attractive to more or less essential. They gain a ton of bargaining power, and could probably hold out for not just a full share from day 1, but for assistance with their MWC buyout.
SDSU so should have been a done deal a month or more ago. PAC sat on their hands, now we will lose Colorado. More will follow. Kliatvkoff is a huge failure. He's been negotiating our media deal for over a year now. Schulz and the other presidents are overeducated idiots.
Colorado is GONE, and the PAC is DOOMED to implode.
What I was talking about, is what should be done AFTER the PAC's destruction down to the PAC 1, WSU.
Of course IF THE PAC STAYED TOGETHER, was the PAC 9, after Colorado leaving, of course wouldn't get Gonzaga, BSU.
But if it's the PAC 1, WSU, then have to, should get Gonzaga, BSU, NDSU, as they are good enough for a G5 league named the PAC 12/14/16/18.
Gonzaga is the best mid major Bball program in the nation, BSU has beaten the blue bloods in past NY6 bowls, and NDSU is not just a FCS team, as they have been the best FCS National Championship team almost all of the last 33 years and like Appalachian state have beaten Michigan, blue bloods, and if joined a D1, FBS, Mt West level G5 mid Major conference named the PAC X, they would finish somewhere between mid conference to upper 1/3 to 2/5 of conference.
A PAC 1, WSU in order to preserve the PAC brand name, can't, shouldn't be too picky, as even teams like NDSU might even turn down a invitation to join a PAC 1, WSU, because of how screwed the PAC 1, WSU would be.
SDSU, SMU, UNLV, Tulane, BSU, Fresno St, Long Beach St, Gonzaga, CSU, Air Force, NDSU, Utah St, Tulsa, Rice, New Mexico, New Mexico St, Wyoming, Hawaii, is the BEST a PAC 1, WSU could, should get. And even all those programs could theoretically say no to a PAC 1, WSU, as that's how bad a PAC 1, WSU is FCKED, SCREWED.
With Colorado leaving, the P12 is back to the drawing board with a media rights deal. It’s now open season for defections.
Leadership? There’s been zero leadership for a decade +. Politics…people who are immune to replacement because of their power. Everyone else suffers from their incompetence.
At this point, who cares? College football has been ruuned by money and will never be the same. I'm done with it
I have been thinking the same thing. I am tired of what has been going on with teams and conferences selling out to the highest bidder and the increase of the stabbing in the back and sheer incompetence of quite a few individuals. College sports used to be fun and full of tradition and all that has been taking away. I am pretty much done with professional sports and I am rapidly approaching that with college sports. There are much better things to do with my time and money.
All these teams are following the money, Disney, which owns ESPN, stock price is down 30% this year, Disney lost 123 Billion in 2022. ESPN is laying off as many people as it can, is it to stay afloat? Question I have will ESPN have the money available to pay all these conferences. It's great if your employer gives you a big raise, but if he goes out of business, you've got nothing. Between teams moving conferences, NIL, and the portal, college sports is slowly, or maybe quicker than we think, killing itself.
That's where I'm at now as well. The evaporation of the P12 conference was the final death blow, but let's face it, WSU was never going to flourish is the NIL and portal era.
When the PAC-12 turned down ESPN’s offer to take over the PAC-12 Networks, that is when the tides turned against the PAC. Talk about stupid! I think the PAC-12 should be suing Scott & his bunch for all their worth. Had ESPN taken over, the PAC would be an ESPN darling with plenty of exposure and considerable cash, as sc & UCLA would have been signed into long term contracts and could not have left the conference. Dumb asses.
That's where I'm at in terms of my fan interest right now, but even more importantly, this is likely to have massive financial, reputational, and other significant consequences for the university.
The college has been living on "conference welfare" for a while now. Any true altruism about competition and amateurism went out the door with the NIL, and the only reason to keep around the bottom feeders like WSU is to pad the schedule with W's, which may be enough to keep WSU in a P5 conference.
That being said, I'll stick by what I said when the NIL first happened: let the top 32 teams form the NFL-lite and everyone else can play college football. The top 32 are excluded from the NCAA and run their own thing. Also, lets go ahead and give them an 18 game schedule to make sure they are ready for the rigors of the NFL; I'm sure the TV execs would love that.
I really do think this could be harmful to WSU as a state university and major player in the T1 space. It's really going to make prospective students, facility, etc. ask "Why WSU?" even more than they previously have done so.
Absolutely, and just from a brass tacks perspective, I've written before about the MWC's media deal and how I am not sure everyone realizes how huge it is to go from a P5-level $30-32m a year, especially with a lot of debt that still needs to be serviced, to whatever a MWC or a MWC hybrid deal would be. Crushed at work right now but I recall the current MWC deal is something like $4m a year per school through 2026, with Boise getting slightly more. It was $1.1m per year (yeah, seriously) before 2020. I don't think people realize how huge the gulf is. That alone is a massive deal. Completely changes the picture of everything. And yeah, even some kind of redone Pac/MWC hybrid would be a lot less than $30m, too, especially with the current climate. Depends on who is in or out, but it's a huge ****ing deal if the Pac falls apart. So are the things I alluded to and that you're talking about in more general, longer-term senses. Fewer applications, worse applicants, rankings/quality going down, and so on.
Upside here is more spots for in state students not being taken up by Californians
Why wouldn't the social welfare states like CA/OR/WA demand that state schools that leave have to put their "winnings" in a pot and split it evenly with the other D1 BCS schools regardless which conference they are in?
John Wilner of the San Jose paper said the conference could look at adding three teams (San Diego State, SMU and Colorado State) to get back to 12.
So it sounds like Dr. Schulz and Klatikoff are already at work on putting things back together.
425, what do you think about the Pac-12 even acquiring multiple teams from Texas since football is so popular down there?
So it sounds like Dr. Schulz and Klatikoff are already at work on putting things back together.
425, what do you think about the Pac-12 even acquiring multiple teams from Texas since football is so popular down there?
Out-of-state students would pay the bills.
UW quit admitting a lot of in-state kids because they could charge a lot more for tuition, etc. from out-of-staters.
Operative Word: COULD. Does NOT mean they WILL.
They PROBABLY won't.
Wilner and you are being Pollyanna HOMERS
Which was and remains complete bullshit. The schools are funded by WA taxpayers for our citizens.
Oh fer Gadsakes, enough with the Shulz and Kliatvkoff lovefest. They have both F-ed it up big time, and aren't doing a goddam thing to fix it.
The ACC will exist only until the 'seven' rebelling schools can find an 8th that gives them the votes to blow up the existing GOR, or until the GOR runs out, or is near running out sometime after 2030. The ACC is trapped in a media deal that pays 22m per school. A disaster that they cannot get out of. When the ACC GOR is done, the Big 10 and SEC will pick off Virginia, North Carolina (the most valued property) Florida St. and Clemson. What happens to the second tier- Virginia Tech, NC st. Miami, will remain to be seen. Third tier - Georgia Tech and Duke, who knows. The rest - Boston College, Wake Forrest, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse - are done. A media deal between the PAC and the ACC that would produce the money required to hold Colorado is/was impossible. Complete fiction. The most valuable properties left in both conferences want memberships into the Big 10 or SEC, period.
What next - Oregon and Washington regents will meet. We will know for certain soon if there is any possibility of receiving a Big 10 invite. If no, Yormark (Big 12) will go straight for Oregon - the biggest brand left. If he can't get them, he will not be able to get Washington. Then he will go after Arizona. The Big 12 already has the biggest brand in Utah - BYU - and they do not need UU. Nor do they need ASU. After Arizona, they will wait to see if Virginia Tech, or NC st., or Miami are available after the BIG 10 and SEC get around to tearing the ACC apart.
After OU and UT announced they were leaving for the SEC, Bowlsby - Big 12 commish - went to California and met with GK. He wanted to know if a merger was possible. GK said no. Fatal. Then Yormark was hired and he immediately went to FOX and ESPN and beat GK to the money.
