ESPN: Rolo files lawsuit

[ttowncoug]

Ex-WSU coach Rolovich files lawsuit over firing

Former Washington State football coach Nick Rolovich has filed a lawsuit against the university, Washington's governor and the WSU AD, seeking damages related to his dismissal last year for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

www.espn.com

His initial complaint asked for damages of $25M. It'll be interesting to see if he gets anything.

Also will be interesting to see in discovery if Inslee influenced the decision to fire...IE no "I am not going to allow an accommodation for religious reasons, fire him, he's made me look bad." That would potentially be the smoking gun they need to get paid damages and to politically damage Inslee and the Attorney General.

 

[kougkurt]

Who would have the liability here. The state or the university?

 

[ttowncoug]

Depends. Likely it'll fall on the employer (WSU) is my guess.

Also, in thinking about this, the lawsuit and saying he was treated unfairly, might be a way for him to "clear his intent" and get him an opportunity to get back into coaching. There are plenty of states that think what Inslee did is b.s. and will be sympathetic to Rolo...namely if he can win for them.

Lastly, I suspect that they won't find any evidence that he was treated any different than any other state employee that was fired. His contact had a clause that said he must abide by state law -- and as we've talked - whether he liked or agreed with the law, the law was in effect, and it seems to be pretty clear that could be grounds for termination as they felt no safe accommodations could be met.

 

[CougPatrol]

Polarizing as Rolo was/is, he absolutely deserves the right to resume his coaching career.

 

[Stretch 74]

Depends. Likely it'll fall on the employer (WSU) is my guess.

Also, in thinking about this, the lawsuit and saying he was treated unfairly, might be a way for him to "clear his intent" and get him an opportunity to get back into coaching. There are plenty of states that think what Inslee did is b.s. and will be sympathetic to Rolo...namely if he can win for them.

Lastly, I suspect that they won't find any evidence that he was treated any different than any other state employee that was fired. His contact had a clause that said he must abide by state law -- and as we've talked - whether he liked or agreed with the law, the law was in effect, and it seems to be pretty clear that could be grounds for termination as they felt no safe accommodations could be met.

If the university argues that they could not provide any safe accommodations for Rolo, then why were they allowing him to continue working up until some arbitrary deadline? Seems to me that means either that he was not endangering anyone up until he was fired OR that the university was complicit in allowing him to work with the accommodations that were in place up until the time he was fired.

This whole thing is such a cluster**** pushed by Inslee and others! You have police, patrol officers, fire fighters, medical workers, etc that were allowed/required to work during the height of the covid, then after the covid threat has diminished you fire them for not taking a shot. That is just WRONG! No way to treat those valuable employees!!!

 

[95coug]

Ex-WSU coach Rolovich files lawsuit over firing

Former Washington State football coach Nick Rolovich has filed a lawsuit against the university, Washington's governor and the WSU AD, seeking damages related to his dismissal last year for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

www.espn.com

His initial complaint asked for damages of $25M. It'll be interesting to see if he gets anything.

Also will be interesting to see in discovery if Inslee influenced the decision to fire...IE no "I am not going to allow an accommodation for religious reasons, fire him, he's made me look bad." That would potentially be the smoking gun they need to get paid damages and to politically damage Inslee and the Attorney General.

I don’t see that anything has changed.

He knew the requirement, he knew the consequence. WSU didn’t set the deadline, the state did. They set up meetings with him and a virologist - which was something not available to other employees. He was well aware of what would happen, but He dragged his feet and didn’t file for an exemption until it was too late to do anything if it was denied.
He thought WSU was bluffing…he was wrong.

I think he should certainly get another job if he can find someone to hire him. I also think he shouldn’t get a penny from WSU. I still suspect they’ll settle, just to make it go away, but I’d be fine if they fight it in the courts and he gets Jack.

 

[mikalalas]

Ex-WSU coach Rolovich files lawsuit over firing

Former Washington State football coach Nick Rolovich has filed a lawsuit against the university, Washington's governor and the WSU AD, seeking damages related to his dismissal last year for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

www.espn.com

His initial complaint asked for damages of $25M. It'll be interesting to see if he gets anything.

Also will be interesting to see in discovery if Inslee influenced the decision to fire...IE no "I am not going to allow an accommodation for religious reasons, fire him, he's made me look bad." That would potentially be the smoking gun they need to get paid damages and to politically damage Inslee and the Attorney General.

IF Inslee did that, while he probably not sueable, the Voters would, will hold him accountable IF Rolo makes a big enough stink about it like he probably would, should and IF the Republican candidate, has enough money, and spends enough money to SLING THAT ABSOLUTELY TRUE MUD, DIRT at him.

The reason not sueable, is that altho REPREHENSIBLE, and altho UNCONSTITUTIONAL(Governor's Vaccine mandate went beyond temporary emergency power, authority, and there was no need for it since Mortality rate is .07% of 1%, and since CDC admitted misinformation, etc, and since State Legislature didn't vote on, pass Vaccine Mandate), it was still a TECHNICAL LAW, until if proved unconstitutional by a court, judge, and as such Rolo had a technical obligation to follow, obey it, and if he didn't, Inslee could technically have Rolo fired, and as such WOULDNT BE SUCCESSFULLY SUEABLE.

But despite that, Rolo and Republicans can make Inslee pay at the Ballot Box, because Voters should CARE about CORRUPTION, ABUSE OF POWER, etc.

 

[CougInSpain]

If the university argues that they could not provide any safe accommodations for Rolo, then why were they allowing him to continue working up until some arbitrary deadline? Seems to me that means either that he was not endangering anyone up until he was fired OR that the university was complicit in allowing him to work with the accommodations that were in place up until the time he was fired.

This whole thing is such a cluster**** pushed by Inslee and others! You have police, patrol officers, fire fighters, medical workers, etc that were allowed/required to work during the height of the covid, then after the covid threat has diminished you fire them for not taking a shot. That is just WRONG! No way to treat those valuable employees!!!

Exactly!! And all the mouth-breathing buffoons here that supported all these unnecessary lockdowns/mandates that Lispy Fv(k Inslee was pushing needs to reassess their ability to evaluate and digest these over-reach power grabbing policies Leftists are so fond of implementing.

 

[CougEd]

IF Inslee did that, while he probably not sueable, the Voters would, will hold him accountable IF Rolo makes a big enough stink about it like he probably would, should and IF the Republican candidate, has enough money, and spends enough money to SLING THAT ABSOLUTELY TRUE MUD, DIRT at him.

The reason not sueable, is that altho REPREHENSIBLE, and altho UNCONSTITUTIONAL(Governor's Vaccine mandate went beyond temporary emergency power, authority, and there was no need for it since Mortality rate is .07% of 1%, and since CDC admitted misinformation, etc, and since State Legislature didn't vote on, pass Vaccine Mandate), it was still a TECHNICAL LAW, until if proved unconstitutional by a court, judge, and as such Rolo had a technical obligation to follow, obey it, and if he didn't, Inslee could technically have Rolo fired, and as such WOULDNT BE SUCCESSFULLY SUEABLE.

But despite that, Rolo and Republicans can make Inslee pay at the Ballot Box, because Voters should CARE about CORRUPTION, ABUSE OF POWER, etc.

This is an interesting take.

 

[ttowncoug]

I don't think WSU or the State will settle as that would set up a huge precedent.

 

[mikalalas]

Depends. Likely it'll fall on the employer (WSU) is my guess.

Also, in thinking about this, the lawsuit and saying he was treated unfairly, might be a way for him to "clear his intent" and get him an opportunity to get back into coaching. There are plenty of states that think what Inslee did is b.s. and will be sympathetic to Rolo...namely if he can win for them.

Lastly, I suspect that they won't find any evidence that he was treated any different than any other state employee that was fired. His contact had a clause that said he must abide by state law -- and as we've talked - whether he liked or agreed with the law, the law was in effect, and it seems to be pretty clear that could be grounds for termination as they felt no safe accommodations could be met.

No matter what the results of the Lawsuit, No one at the Mid Major, P5 level is going to make him either a OC, HC, etc, as He is currently a NON PAID HIGHSCHOOL POSITION COACH/VOLUNTEER, at a High School.

There was a NEW STORY I read about it. It can probably be googled. I don't know where to find it, and not going to try to find it, post it.

Anyone interested can Google it up themselves.

If Rolo was a HIREABLE COACHING PROSPECT at the FBS, Mid Major, P5 level, someone at a lower level would at least hire him as at least a WR coach, QB coach, position coach.

And the reason why they haven't hired him yet, isn't entirely, only because of the not vaxxing, getting fired. While that was probably partly to blame, the real main reason, he hasn't been hired is that those that hire KNOW HE IS NOT A GOOD COACH.

If he was a GOOD COACH, he would be a PAID coach somewhere, instead of a NON PAID Volunteer HIGHSCHOOL assistant Position coach.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Rather than spiral down that same old rabbit hole, let me agree with a point that ttown brought up.

This is clearly a waste of time from a trial standpoint, but it is possible that is not Rolo's intent here. If Rolo's goal is to try to rehabilitate his reputation so he can get back to college coaching, then this may be the reason that he filed suit. The law firm presumably also knows there is no big settlement in the wings, but it costs almost nothing to file...and if the state's policy has been to settle for a pittance to get it done with, then there is a small payday available for the attorneys with minimal effort. And if Rolo can then say that the state settled, it might clear his path for the future.

That is the only way that I see this lawsuit making any sense.

 

[CougEd]

Polarizing as Rolo was/is, he absolutely deserves the right to resume his coaching career.

Who said he does not. You tell me who will hire him with his limited resume and was the only Pac 12 coach to defy his boss... and why he defied him.

Stutzman was a OC in the Pac 12...he is now at Dixie State. And for Stutzman, he and his family are devout Catholics. His brother stepped down or was fired from a military academy and never sought damages.

And for Rolo there is enough evidence because he tweeted and followed enough sideshow sites that I think he will have a tough time proving it was for religious reasons if he and his family have received other vaccinations.

But we will see if he gets money and we will see if he works in the near future. Maybe Hawaii hires him to help out Timmy Chang.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Depends. Likely it'll fall on the employer (WSU) is my guess.

Also, in thinking about this, the lawsuit and saying he was treated unfairly, might be a way for him to "clear his intent" and get him an opportunity to get back into coaching. There are plenty of states that think what Inslee did is b.s. and will be sympathetic to Rolo...namely if he can win for them.

Lastly, I suspect that they won't find any evidence that he was treated any different than any other state employee that was fired. His contact had a clause that said he must abide by state law -- and as we've talked - whether he liked or agreed with the law, the law was in effect, and it seems to be pretty clear that could be grounds for termination as they felt no safe accommodations could be met.

That wasn't the standard, though; were there other state employees granted religious exemptions?

And here's the thing about this whole exemption business: they made it subjective. As in, I get to be the judge of whether or not I deem you or your convictions sincerely religious. I feel like that is where Rolo may win his case, especially if you can show that other employees in similar situations were in fact granted exemptions.

 

[CougEd]

If the university argues that they could not provide any safe accommodations for Rolo, then why were they allowing him to continue working up until some arbitrary deadline? Seems to me that means either that he was not endangering anyone up until he was fired OR that the university was complicit in allowing him to work with the accommodations that were in place up until the time he was fired.

This whole thing is such a cluster**** pushed by Inslee and others! You have police, patrol officers, fire fighters, medical workers, etc that were allowed/required to work during the height of the covid, then after the covid threat has diminished you fire them for not taking a shot. That is just WRONG! No way to treat those valuable employees!!!

Stretch, people are asked to do this all the time. My kids had to be vaxed before they went to school. Some companies drug test? Bank of America use to drug test, why? They don't drive fork lifts or other equipment. People were fired all the time back in the 80's and 90's for getting busted on a urine test for smoking pot.

How many games did we play in 2020? How much money did the university lose. They tool=k a course of action in the first pandemic in 100 years. If this was 1965 or 1985 how many people do you believe would refuse to take a vaccine to help keep people out of the hospital?

 

[NMBRCRNCHR]

That wasn't the standard, though; were there other state employees granted religious exemptions?

And here's the thing about this whole exemption business: they made it subjective. As in, I get to be the judge of whether or not I deem you or your convictions sincerely religious. I feel like that is where Rolo may win his case, especially if you can show that other employees in similar situations were in fact granted exemptions.

Nailed. It.

And by the way, there were.

 

[mikalalas]

Rather than spiral down that same old rabbit hole, let me agree with a point that ttown brought up.

This is clearly a waste of time from a trial standpoint, but it is possible that is not Rolo's intent here. If Rolo's goal is to try to rehabilitate his reputation so he can get back to college coaching, then this may be the reason that he filed suit. The law firm presumably also knows there is no big settlement in the wings, but it costs almost nothing to file...and if the state's policy has been to settle for a pittance to get it done with, then there is a small payday available for the attorneys with minimal effort. And if Rolo can then say that the state settled, it might clear his path for the future.

That is the only way that I see this lawsuit making any sense.

ROLO IS A VOLUNTEER HIGHSCHOOL ASSISTANT POSITION COACH THAT UNPAID.

If he was any good, HIREABLE, Some lower level FCS, Mid Major would have at least hired him as a PAID assistant WR coach, assistant QB coach, position coach, etc, by now.

The reason why they haven't hired him as at least a lowest level coach, is because they know HE IS NOT A GOOD COACH.

 

[mikalalas]

Who said he does not. You tell me who will hire him with his limited resume and was the only Pac 12 coach to defy his boss... and why he defied him.

Stutzman was a OC in the Pac 12...he is now at Dixie State. And for Stutzman, he and his family are devout Catholics. His brother stepped down or was fired from a military academy and never sought damages.

And for Rolo there is enough evidence because he tweeted and followed enough sideshow sites that I think he will have a tough time proving it was for religious reasons if he and his family have received other vaccinations.

But we will see if he gets money and we will see if he works in the near future. Maybe Hawaii hires him to help out Timmy Chang.

If Rolo hadn't filed a lawsuit, hadn't publicly said, blamed, etc, Inslee, Chun, WSU, etc, then while not a good coach, somebody would have probably given him a coaching shot somewhere.

But nobody wants to hire him because he is not a good coach, and because they think "What if we have to fire him, and he tries to sue us too? No thanks. I'm not going to hire a bad coach, problem coach like that".

If he was a good coach, then despite the above, somebody would be willing to gamble on Rolo.

But since he is NOT a good coach, nobody wants to gamble on him, because of the above.

 

[Observer11]

Nailed. It.

And by the way, there were.

Yup. And the subsequent (lack of) efficacy in the vaccines shows the (lack of) necessity of imposing draconian mandates based on a limited data set.

Gonna be a whole lot of lawsuits against a whole lot of government agencies.

And we the people potentially end up paying for something roughly half of us thought were stupid in the first place.

What a system.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Yup. And the subsequent (lack of) efficacy in the vaccines shows the (lack of) necessity of imposing draconian mandates on a limited data set.

Gonna be a whole lot of lawsuits against a whole lot of government agencies.

And we the people potentially end up paying for something roughly half of us thought were stupid in the first place.

What a system.

Irrelevant to the suit, whether one considers this true or not.

Did the state set a standard for getting an exemption, did Rolo follow it, and was he denied while others were not (based on the same set of criteria.)

The stupidest thing is that the state could have found several different reasons to fire him, whether for cause or not, but insisted on trying to make an example of him.

 

[95coug]

Irrelevant to the suit, whether one considers this true or not.

Did the state set a standard for getting an exemption, did Rolo follow it, and was he denied while others were not (based on the same set of criteria.)

The stupidest thing is that the state could have found several different reasons to fire him, whether for cause or not, but insisted on trying to make an example of him.

And then, they've hung WSU out to fight the battle. This is a situation the state and the governor created, but they're leaving WSU to twist for it.

 

[CougPatrol]

It might not be this case, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the wrongful COVID vaccine termination issue make its way up to the Supreme Court. The fact that some people were granted exemptions and others were not opened up a big can of legal worms.

 

[mikalalas]

Stretch, people are asked to do this all the time. My kids had to be vaxed before they went to school. Some companies drug test? Bank of America use to drug test, why? They don't drive fork lifts or other equipment. People were fired all the time back in the 80's and 90's for getting busted on a urine test for smoking pot.

How many games did we play in 2020? How much money did the university lose. They tool=k a course of action in the first pandemic in 100 years. If this was 1965 or 1985 how many people do you believe would refuse to take a vaccine to help keep people out of the hospital?

The HOSPITALIZATION RATE IS LOW.

THERE WAS MISINFORMATION BY THE CDC.

1 YEAR AGO, SACRED HEART AND DAVENPORT HOSPITAL WERE NOT OVERFLOWED, NOT OVERWHELMED, PLENTY OF OPEN ROOMS, ETC.

67 year old MS CRANEFIELD, didn't have to go-to hospital, only had FLU symptoms when she got COVID.

ALL of the about 13 to 33 people that I know that got COVID, didn't die, didn't get hospitalized, only had FLU like symptoms, and that included 63 year old Whybarks, and half were vaccinated, Half not, and the Half that were vaccinated still got it, and the half that weren't vaccinated that did get it, survived just fine.

And the CURRENT Mortality rate is about .07,.08% of 1%.

And kids 3 to 13 only have about a .OOO4% of 1% to get hospitalized or die, and have a HIGHER CHANCE OF GETTING HIT BY A LIGHTNING BOLT, THEN BEING HOSPITALIZED, DIE OF COVID(AND THAT STAT CAME FROM THE CDC, AND WAS ON THE MAINSTREAM NEWS)

Point is Vaccine Mandates weren't necessary, are necessary, and especially not necessary for kids by the DUMBASSES that still want, are trying to force vaccinate kids.

And it's especially stupid because of NATURAL IMMUNITY, AND HERD IMMUNITY, AND VACCINE IMMUNITY, has pretty much made getting COVID AND HOSPITALIZED BY COVID AND DYING OF COVID A ALMOST STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY, NEAR IMPOSSIBILITY.

And since COVID TREATMENTS(THAT SUCCESSFULLY TREAT COVID ONCE SOMEONE GETS COVID), has combined with Vaccines, Vaccine immunity, herd immunity, natural immunity has pretty much stopped the hospitalization, and dying of people with COVID.

But do continue to only listen LIBTARD CONTROL FREAK LIKE NEWSOME, INSLEE, and continue to ignore the STATS, PERCENTS, NUMBERS, MEDICAL EXPERTS that are OVER RULING the medical libtard politicians, and CDC(Who admitted they were wrong, misinformed)

And ignore FLORIDA that has everything under control, and doing awesome, without Newsome, Inslee mandates

Go back to your Newsome, Inslee worship

DUMBASS, IDIOT, MORON, LIBTARD.

 

[whoisyaodaddy]

I think Rolovich will have a hard time proving that he had a sincerely held religious belief against vaccines since he and his family likely were vaccinated for other disease like polio, small pox, chicken pox, etc... The sad part of this whole thing is Inslee's idiotic insistence to keep the mandate in place. By July 2021 we all knew the vaccines did not contain the spread of COVID. Yet State action continued the mandate and ruined lives. I

ROLO IS A VOLUNTEER HIGHSCHOOL ASSISTANT POSITION COACH THAT UNPAID.

If he was any good, HIREABLE, Some lower level FCS, Mid Major would have at least hired him as a PAID assistant WR coach, assistant QB coach, position coach, etc, by now.

The reason why they haven't hired him as at least a lowest level coach, is because they know HE IS NOT A GOOD COACH.

He wants backpay. Can't get backpay plus interest if you are gainfully employed. I am glad Rolo sued if nothing else to conduct discovery on the political games Chun, Schulz, and Inslee played with people's livelihoods.

 

[ttowncoug]

I wouldn't read too much into what Rolo is doing now. He likely knows he's not employable up to this point. Him doing an unpaid coaching job, getting back into coaching "because he loves it" is a pretty good narrative for him to spin.

Next step - which I'd imagine is soon - is for him to start looking for gigs. The timing of all this is interesting and coincides with when head coaching jobs come up.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I think Rolovich will have a hard time proving that he had a sincerely held religious belief against vaccines since he and his family likely were vaccinated for other disease like polio, small pox, chicken pox, etc... The sad part of this whole thing is Inslee's idiotic insistence to keep the mandate in place. By July 2021 we all knew the vaccines did not contain the spread of COVID. Yet State action continued the mandate and ruined lives. I

He wants backpay. Can't get backpay plus interest if you are gainfully employed. I am glad Rolo sued if nothing else to conduct discovery on the political games Chun, Schulz, and Inslee played with people's livelihoods.

*sigh*.... its not about vaccines, its about the use of fetal tissue in the vaccines. Or something like that.

The info is out there, please go look it up. But it was never "I'M CATHOLIC AND WE DON'T DO VACCINES."

Again, there is all kinds of nuance built into the fetal tissue thing, but that's for a court to decide, not me.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I wouldn't read too much into what Rolo is doing now. He likely knows he's not employable up to this point. Him doing an unpaid coaching job, getting back into coaching "because he loves it" is a pretty good narrative for him to spin.

Next step - which I'd imagine is soon - is for him to start looking for gigs. The timing of all this is interesting and coincides with when head coaching jobs come up.

Why is he unemployable? I mean, is that seriously the narrative?

Geezus freaking Christ on a crutch. Given the litany of shit other coaches do/ have done and get rehired almost immediately, Rolo not getting a shot is making him unemployable? Or is the litigation thing? Help me understand, please.

 

[ttowncoug]

Employable...we will see. I personally believe, AD's and Presidents don't like the drama and negative PR associated with his stance. Now he's suing his bosses.

Is Rolo that good of a coach that teams will look past this? Maybe he is maybe he isn't. My guessing - and time will tell - most schools will "pass" on hiring him.

I've said his next path should be to the pros.

 

[sylean]

there have been over 900 deaths of young athletes in the last year and half since the forcing of these experimental injections...yes, they are experimental....which is against the Nuremberg code.....and there are many many lawsuits underway right now for damages.....there is a reason that several athletic depts are making athletes especially football players take EKG's as part of their physicals.....myocarditis.......anybody notice young and middle aged people just dying "unexpectedly"?

Go get em Rolo....hope you win millions and millions.....hope the big pharma is bankrupted and I hope the nazis that demanded these injections get their karma 10 fold.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Irrelevant to the suit, whether one considers this true or not.

Did the state set a standard for getting an exemption, did Rolo follow it, and was he denied while others were not (based on the same set of criteria.)

The stupidest thing is that the state could have found several different reasons to fire him, whether for cause or not, but insisted on trying to make an example of him.

The employer had the discretion to determine who could and who couldn’t do their jobs with an exemption. If you worked remotely and never interacted with anyone you kept your job. If you had a public facing job like Rolo or a state patrolmen, you were terminated. It gets real gray with someone like a plow truck driver. Mostly an isolated job but not 100% by any means.

The suit gives him a chance to clear his name somewhat but I don’t see him winning in court.

 

[dgibbons]

Who would have the liability here. The state or the university?

Clarifying your question- WSU is an agency of the state, so it's the same. The question is who would have to pay- state or WSU? Different funds.

Several weeks ago I heard from a reliable source that the AG's office suggested WSU settle. WSU's response back to the AG was OK, since this was Inslee's mandate, that means the state should pay. But nothing doing from the state on the settlement money.

 

[dgibbons]

The employer had the discretion to determine who could and who couldn’t do their jobs with an exemption. If you worked remotely and never interacted with anyone you kept your job. If you had a public facing job like Rolo or a state patrolmen, you were terminated. It gets real gray with someone like a plow truck driver. Mostly an isolated job but not 100% by any means.

The suit gives him a chance to clear his name somewhat but I don’t see him winning in court.

One of the wrinkles was Chun getting into the middle of the exemption process. Also, I'm not sure how the vaccine efficacy will play out in court.

Not a coincidence that they waited until after the ruling in NY a week or two ago.

 

[COUGinNCW]

there have been over 900 deaths of young athletes in the last year and half since the forcing of these experimental injections...yes, they are experimental....which is against the Nuremberg code.....and there are many many lawsuits underway right now for damages.....there is a reason that several athletic depts are making athletes especially football players take EKG's as part of their physicals.....myocarditis.......anybody notice young and middle aged people just dying "unexpectedly"?

Go get em Rolo....hope you win millions and millions.....hope the big pharma is bankrupted and I hope the nazis that demanded these injections get their karma 10 fold.

900 athletes have died from getting covid vaccines? Interesting, hadn’t heard that one.

 

[Stretch 74]

Stretch, people are asked to do this all the time. My kids had to be vaxed before they went to school. Some companies drug test? Bank of America use to drug test, why? They don't drive fork lifts or other equipment. People were fired all the time back in the 80's and 90's for getting busted on a urine test for smoking pot.

How many games did we play in 2020? How much money did the university lose. They tool=k a course of action in the first pandemic in 100 years. If this was 1965 or 1985 how many people do you believe would refuse to take a vaccine to help keep people out of the hospital?

Ed, you mean you don't see the difference between being forced to inject something in your body that has not been fully proven safe and effective in standard drug trials and having bodily waste tested after it has left your body? Seems Like a pretty large difference to me.

I can only speculate on why BoA did drug testing, since I didn't work there, was not part of setting their policy, and have never even seen their policy. However, my guess would be that they didn't want people working for them that were breaking the law. (drugs were illegal back then) Also, if you are doing drugs, it is easy to get caught up in it and get in financial trouble, thus having a greater incentive to steal/embezzle money from them. You may not agree with that kind of policy, but it seems reasonable to me.

BTW, drug use can (or at least could in the past) disqualify you from getting a security clearance.

WSU played 4 games in 2020, and I am sure they lost millions, if not tens of millions that year.

Back in 1985 and 1965 I expect there would still have been people objecting to getting vaxxed, especially without the proven trials. No clue what percentage of the population that might have been.

 

[dgibbons]

Depends. Likely it'll fall on the employer (WSU) is my guess.

Also, in thinking about this, the lawsuit and saying he was treated unfairly, might be a way for him to "clear his intent" and get him an opportunity to get back into coaching. There are plenty of states that think what Inslee did is b.s. and will be sympathetic to Rolo...namely if he can win for them.

Lastly, I suspect that they won't find any evidence that he was treated any different than any other state employee that was fired. His contact had a clause that said he must abide by state law -- and as we've talked - whether he liked or agreed with the law, the law was in effect, and it seems to be pretty clear that could be grounds for termination as they felt no safe accommodations could be met.

Chun getting involved in the exemption process was certainly different than any other state employee.

 

[dgibbons]

I don't think WSU or the State will settle as that would set up a huge precedent.

Shrug. Confidentiality provisions are confidentiality provisions.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Ed, you mean you don't see the difference between being forced to inject something in your body that has not been fully proven safe and effective in standard drug trials and having bodily waste tested after it has left your body? Seems Like a pretty large difference to me.

I can only speculate on why BoA did drug testing, since I didn't work there, was not part of setting their policy, and have never even seen their policy. However, my guess would be that they didn't want people working for them that were breaking the law. (drugs were illegal back then) Also, if you are doing drugs, it is easy to get caught up in it and get in financial trouble, thus having a greater incentive to steal/embezzle money from them. You may not agree with that kind of policy, but it seems reasonable to me.

BTW, drug use can (or at least could in the past) disqualify you from getting a security clearance.

WSU played 4 games in 2020, and I am sure they lost millions, if not tens of millions that year.

Back in 1985 and 1965 I expect there would still have been people objecting to getting vaxxed, especially without the proven trials. No clue what percentage of the population that might have been.

If memory serves the mandate didn’t go into effect until the emergency status had been lifted from the Pfizer vaccine.

Hope it’s at least another 100 years before we see another pandemic.

 

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Clarifying your question- WSU is an agency of the state, so it's the same. The question is who would have to pay- state or WSU? Different funds.

Several weeks ago I heard from a reliable source that the AG's office suggested WSU settle. WSU's response back to the AG was OK, since this was Inslee's mandate, that means the state should pay. But nothing doing from the state on the settlement money.

In other words, just another time when the politician totally escapes any responsibility or accountability for fkking something up.

 

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Chun getting involved in the exemption process was certainly different than any other state employee.

The State was incredibly vague about how exemptions would be granted or who had the authority to grant them. We had to deal with out where I work. It was a total cluster.

 

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Clarifying your question- WSU is an agency of the state, so it's the same. The question is who would have to pay- state or WSU? Different funds.

Several weeks ago I heard from a reliable source that the AG's office suggested WSU settle. WSU's response back to the AG was OK, since this was Inslee's mandate, that means the state should pay. But nothing doing from the state on the settlement money.

Either way, it's the state insurance pool.