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The State was incredibly vague about how exemptions would be granted or who had the authority to grant them. We had to deal with out where I work. It was a total cluster.
Chun didn't "get in the middle of the exemption process." The WSU process was that a committee evaluated the applications for exemption. This was designed to be blind, without identifying information attached (although, if you were a high profile position who waited until the last minute, and then notified the press when you applied and your basis...that probably degraded the anonymity). If the committee felt the application met the requirement, they referred to the supervisor to determine if an accommodation could be made based on the job duties.

My understanding is that Rolo's application for exemption was determined to meet the requirements to provide an exemption, but that Chun - as his supervisor - determined that he could not be accommodated.

IF that's the case, most of his lawsuit is DOA. He had due process, the same as any other employee, which eliminates the 14th amendment claim. The 1st amendment claim and religious discrimination claims against Inslee, Washington, and WSU fail, because they didn't make the decision. It remains against Chun (although he'll likely be dismissed as a defendant because he was acting as an employee), but it's going to be nearly impossible to prove that case - especially when Chun is also Catholic. The breach of contract claim depends on the exact contract terms, but could backfire on him since I'm sure there's a clause about representing the university positively. The civil rights violation probably fails early too, since nearly all existing case law says that state and local authorities do have the right to impose vaccination requirements...and has Supreme court precedent (although...not by this court, and it's hard to predict how they'll act).

All of the talk about whether the mandates should have existed in the first place is irrelevant. They did, and WSU had to enforce them. The only real decision to be evaluated is whether Rolo was unreasonably treated in a manner different from other employees. And, it doesn't appear that he was.
 
Ed, you mean you don't see the difference between being forced to inject something in your body that has not been fully proven safe and effective in standard drug trials and having bodily waste tested after it has left your body? Seems Like a pretty large difference to me.

I can only speculate on why BoA did drug testing, since I didn't work there, was not part of setting their policy, and have never even seen their policy. However, my guess would be that they didn't want people working for them that were breaking the law. (drugs were illegal back then) Also, if you are doing drugs, it is easy to get caught up in it and get in financial trouble, thus having a greater incentive to steal/embezzle money from them. You may not agree with that kind of policy, but it seems reasonable to me.

BTW, drug use can (or at least could in the past) disqualify you from getting a security clearance.

WSU played 4 games in 2020, and I am sure they lost millions, if not tens of millions that year.

Back in 1985 and 1965 I expect there would still have been people objecting to getting vaxxed, especially without the proven trials. No clue what percentage of the population that might have been.
I guess I don't. Are you saying when people were mandated to inject a polio vax in what the 50's their body it was "proven" safe? Let me ask the question how long do you think it should have been tested before it could have been mandated like the Polio vaccine? How long is your standard drug trial? and why?

People could grow their own weed. You don't think alcohol could compromise a bank employee as much or more than say weed?

We actually know how many people took the mandated vaccine back in the 50's. Know how many people died from it? I think it was less than 5k a year.
 
Chun didn't "get in the middle of the exemption process." The WSU process was that a committee evaluated the applications for exemption. This was designed to be blind, without identifying information attached (although, if you were a high profile position who waited until the last minute, and then notified the press when you applied and your basis...that probably degraded the anonymity). If the committee felt the application met the requirement, they referred to the supervisor to determine if an accommodation could be made based on the job duties.

My understanding is that Rolo's application for exemption was determined to meet the requirements to provide an exemption, but that Chun - as his supervisor - determined that he could not be accommodated.

IF that's the case, most of his lawsuit is DOA. He had due process, the same as any other employee, which eliminates the 14th amendment claim. The 1st amendment claim and religious discrimination claims against Inslee, Washington, and WSU fail, because they didn't make the decision. It remains against Chun (although he'll likely be dismissed as a defendant because he was acting as an employee), but it's going to be nearly impossible to prove that case - especially when Chun is also Catholic. The breach of contract claim depends on the exact contract terms, but could backfire on him since I'm sure there's a clause about representing the university positively. The civil rights violation probably fails early too, since nearly all existing case law says that state and local authorities do have the right to impose vaccination requirements...and has Supreme court precedent (although...not by this court, and it's hard to predict how they'll act).

All of the talk about whether the mandates should have existed in the first place is irrelevant. They did, and WSU had to enforce them. The only real decision to be evaluated is whether Rolo was unreasonably treated in a manner different from other employees. And, it doesn't appear that he was.
I’ve heard this version and would agree his suit would be DOA.

I’ve also heard he was given an exemption and when it was passed on to Chun for accommodation he called BS based on Rolo’s history with WSU’s virologist, prior communication with Rolo etc and he called BS. If version 2 is correct it gets murky and I don’t know if it’s ever been definitely reported which way it really went.
 
The point is then correct: Rolo settles, this then "clears" his name up publicly, and gives him a clean slate.

I still think he's going to be viewed as a "liability" type hire by a lot of programs (fair or not) but will likely get a shot somewhere.
 
I’ve heard this version and would agree his suit would be DOA.

I’ve also heard he was given an exemption and when it was passed on to Chun for accommodation he called BS based on Rolo’s history with WSU’s virologist, prior communication with Rolo etc and he called BS. If version 2 is correct it gets murky and I don’t know if it’s ever been definitely reported which way it really went.
They definitely gave Rolo more opportunities to get more information than they made available to the average employee.

And, even if version 2 is true, if Chun can make a reasonable explanation for why an accommodation wasn't possible, the case fails. The only way it holds up is if Chun's e-mail reveals a "f this guy and his freaky religion, I don't want him here anymore."
 
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900 athletes have died from getting covid vaccines? Interesting, hadn’t heard that one.

900 out of about 750k athletes in all sports.

The calculator says that is about a .0012% of 1% MORTALITY RATE. And about a .03% of 1% HOSPITALIZATION rate.

Athletes have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt, then getting hospitalized and dying of COVID.

More BS scare tactics, and only mentioning the number died OUT OF CONTEXT, and not mentioning the true Hospitalization rate and True death, mortality rate, which less then chance of getting lightning bolt.

Athletes shouldn't leave their apt, dorm, they might get hit by a anvil, lightning bolt, COVID, etc.

SHEESH, BS, REDICULOUS.
 
They'll settle and it's gonna be a massive payday for Rolo. Hope it costs Chun his gig,
 
They'll settle and it's gonna be a massive payday for Rolo. Hope it costs Chun his gig,
I'm not putting this on Chun personally. He didn't make up the rules. And I also don't think it will be a windfall for Rolo, unless they find some kind of proof that Rolo was singled out and treated differently than everyone else.

My guess - to Dgibbs point - is any request to "settle" is to put this behind for both parties as WSU doesn't really want the negative PR associated with any type of negative public spin the Rolo camp might put on this. Also, WSU (and both parties) have a cost associated with litigation if it goes there. That takes time and money.

I assume the bigger goal here is for Rolo to get a coaching job. WSU settles and this clears Rolo's name up, at least in Rolo's mind.

I personally wish Rolo well. Hope he finds another coaching gig and everyone can move on from this period.
 
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If the university argues that they could not provide any safe accommodations for Rolo, then why were they allowing him to continue working up until some arbitrary deadline? Seems to me that means either that he was not endangering anyone up until he was fired OR that the university was complicit in allowing him to work with the accommodations that were in place up until the time he was fired.

This whole thing is such a cluster**** pushed by Inslee and others! You have police, patrol officers, fire fighters, medical workers, etc that were allowed/required to work during the height of the covid, then after the covid threat has diminished you fire them for not taking a shot. That is just WRONG! No way to treat those valuable employees!!!

Great point. Hoping that someday people will overwhelmingly see how unjust this was for those who refused the jab...especially as the data comes out on the lack of benefit and harm from getting it for some.
 
There is no clean slate for him. This is a huge black eye on his resume. His best bet is to pursue jobs in states or at schools that are anti vax.

He handled this poorly and it has left him jammed up. It isn’t the course of action I would have taken if it were me.

It could take him a long time to get back to being a head coach again at a high level, if ever.
 
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I guess I don't. Are you saying when people were mandated to inject a polio vax in what the 50's their body it was "proven" safe? Let me ask the question how long do you think it should have been tested before it could have been mandated like the Polio vaccine? How long is your standard drug trial? and why?

People could grow their own weed. You don't think alcohol could compromise a bank employee as much or more than say weed?

We actually know how many people took the mandated vaccine back in the 50's. Know how many people died from it? I think it was less than 5k a year.
Come on Ed, pay attention now. We are not talking about polio here, we're talking covid. So let me spell it out to you- getting a vaccination (getting a substance injected INTO your body) may have some negative effects on your body. Having a drug test done on your pee after it has left your body cannot have ANY negative effect on your body. That was my point. I think you knew that, but went ahead and answered with a dose of questions back at me that lacked direct relevancy to my point.

I don't have a standard for how long drug trials last, but when Trump pushed to have a vaccination developed quickly I recall all the reports about how it always takes 4-5 years to develop a vaccine or get a drug to market. So I guess that might be considered "standard", right? But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two. No long term studies to determine side effects, right? Apparently few to no studies done to evaluate the effectiveness of limiting transmission of the virus, or to prevent catching the virus.

Sure people can/could grow their own weed. So what? They could also distill their own booze, but so what again? And no, I don't think the alcohol is as bad for what they were considering. People that smoke to start are more likely to end up with harder drugs, which is where the real trouble lies. (not saying that alcohol is not bad at all, so don't bother going down that rabbit hole).

Don't lose sight of the crux of the argument between Rolo and WSU/WA State, which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies.



As an aside to this discussion, is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law? I always thought that an actual law was a statute passed by a legislative body and then approval signed by the appropriate executive (mayor, governor, president). If so, why do folks keep saying that Rolo had to "follow the law"? Let's hear from you legal beagles on this one.

Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?
 
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Come on Ed, pay attention now. We are not talking about polio here, we're talking covid. So let me spell it out to you- getting a vaccination (getting a substance injected INTO your body) may have some negative effects on your body. Having a drug test done on your pee after it has left your body cannot have ANY negative effect on your body. That was my point. I think you knew that, but went ahead and answered with a dose of questions back at me that lacked direct relevancy to my point.

I don't have a standard for how long drug trials last, but when Trump pushed to have a vaccination developed quickly I recall all the reports about how it always takes 4-5 years to develop a vaccine or get a drug to market. So I guess that might be considered "standard", right? But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two. No long term studies to determine side effects, right? Apparently few to no studies done to evaluate the effectiveness of limiting transmission of the virus, or to prevent catching the virus.

Sure people can/could grow their own weed. So what? They could also distill their own booze, but so what again? And no, I don't think the alcohol is as bad for what they were considering. People that smoke to start are more likely to end up with harder drugs, which is where the real trouble lies. (not saying that alcohol is not bad at all, so don't bother going down that rabbit hole).

Don't lose sight of the crux of the argument between Rolo and WSU/WA State, which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies.



As an aside to this discussion, is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law? I always thought that an actual law was a statute passed by a legislative body and then approval signed by the appropriate executive (mayor, governor, president). If so, why do folks keep saying that Rolo had to "follow the law"? Let's hear from you legal beagles on this one.

Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?
"But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two."

Not actually. They were based on work that's been done for 15+ years on vaccines for other coronaviruses (particularly SARS). They tweaked them to fit the current virus, similar to how they make a new flu vaccine every year. But yes, the human trials were significantly accelerated.

"which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies."

This gets into arguments over degree of separation. If I remember the details correctly, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines at the 'proof of concept' stage of development. Those cells weren't involved in the actual vaccine production. J&J used them somehow in production.

"is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law?"

Not exactly. But, when acting under emergency authority granted by the legislature, it's enforceable. More importantly, the mask orders and any vaccination directives issued by the Secretary of Health (or local health officers) have the force of law...and that authority has been upheld by the Supreme Court. "Follow the law" is not technically correct, because the directive does not rise directly from an RCW. But, again, it's enforceable. Think of it like an executive order.

"Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?"

Not 100% sure I'm following you here, but... there's law (at least in Washington, and it was pre-COVID) that requires children to receive certain vaccines to attend school. Polio, MMR, and some others are included. There were some broad exemptions, but a few years ago (also pre-COVID, I believe) the state rules changed to make it more difficult to get an exemption.

It's a perspective thing. There was little pushback against the smallpox, polio, and measles vaccinations, probably because those diseases killed kids. Lots of them. People saw that happening, and couldn't get those shots fast enough. Anything was better than having a kid get polio.

COVID didn't kill a lot of kids, and didn't do it over long periods, so didn't inspire the same anxiety. It conflicted with 1st person choice...and a lot of people were more afraid of losing that choice than they were about getting COVID.
 
Come on Ed, pay attention now. We are not talking about polio here, we're talking covid. So let me spell it out to you- getting a vaccination (getting a substance injected INTO your body) may have some negative effects on your body. Having a drug test done on your pee after it has left your body cannot have ANY negative effect on your body. That was my point. I think you knew that, but went ahead and answered with a dose of questions back at me that lacked direct relevancy to my point.

I don't have a standard for how long drug trials last, but when Trump pushed to have a vaccination developed quickly I recall all the reports about how it always takes 4-5 years to develop a vaccine or get a drug to market. So I guess that might be considered "standard", right? But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two. No long term studies to determine side effects, right? Apparently few to no studies done to evaluate the effectiveness of limiting transmission of the virus, or to prevent catching the virus.

Sure people can/could grow their own weed. So what? They could also distill their own booze, but so what again? And no, I don't think the alcohol is as bad for what they were considering. People that smoke to start are more likely to end up with harder drugs, which is where the real trouble lies. (not saying that alcohol is not bad at all, so don't bother going down that rabbit hole).

Don't lose sight of the crux of the argument between Rolo and WSU/WA State, which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies.



As an aside to this discussion, is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law? I always thought that an actual law was a statute passed by a legislative body and then approval signed by the appropriate executive (mayor, governor, president). If so, why do folks keep saying that Rolo had to "follow the law"? Let's hear from you legal beagles on this one.

Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?

Ed specializes in non sequiturs. His critical thinking skills are really poor. Just have to be honest.

I'm astonished he could graduate from any college.
 
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Come on Ed, pay attention now. We are not talking about polio here, we're talking covid. So let me spell it out to you- getting a vaccination (getting a substance injected INTO your body) may have some negative effects on your body. Having a drug test done on your pee after it has left your body cannot have ANY negative effect on your body. That was my point. I think you knew that, but went ahead and answered with a dose of questions back at me that lacked direct relevancy to my point.

I don't have a standard for how long drug trials last, but when Trump pushed to have a vaccination developed quickly I recall all the reports about how it always takes 4-5 years to develop a vaccine or get a drug to market. So I guess that might be considered "standard", right? But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two. No long term studies to determine side effects, right? Apparently few to no studies done to evaluate the effectiveness of limiting transmission of the virus, or to prevent catching the virus.

Sure people can/could grow their own weed. So what? They could also distill their own booze, but so what again? And no, I don't think the alcohol is as bad for what they were considering. People that smoke to start are more likely to end up with harder drugs, which is where the real trouble lies. (not saying that alcohol is not bad at all, so don't bother going down that rabbit hole).

Don't lose sight of the crux of the argument between Rolo and WSU/WA State, which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies.



As an aside to this discussion, is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law? I always thought that an actual law was a statute passed by a legislative body and then approval signed by the appropriate executive (mayor, governor, president). If so, why do folks keep saying that Rolo had to "follow the law"? Let's hear from you legal beagles on this one.

Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?
Geezus Christ. I'm embarrassed to have some of you claim that you are fellow Cougs.

COVID was and still is a f-ed thing. Millions of people died worldwide, 1 million plus in the US. The damn world stopped turning.

The vaccine(s) came out, sane people lined up in droves to get it. As did I. 3 so far, 4th to come. Goddam glad I did when I finally got a mild case. Even your idol Trump got the jab.

People in power (Inslee, etc.) did what they thought was best for the population. Lives were undoubtedly saved. It was a disaster. Thank Gawd we have more or less come out on the other side. Thankfully this wasn't some Ebola-like disease. Ever see the movie "I am Legend?" Or the original "The Omega Man?". Or "Outbreak?". WTF would you pussies do if you had to make these tough choices?

So quit with your F-ing Monday Morning QB'ing.

Rolo was a pussy and a prima donna. F-him and his stupid hats. All he had to do is get the jab.

If you are a Coug, you rally behind the G-D flag and knock this "I hope he wins" BS off. WTF is wrong with you people?
 
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"But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two."

Not actually. They were based on work that's been done for 15+ years on vaccines for other coronaviruses (particularly SARS). They tweaked them to fit the current virus, similar to how they make a new flu vaccine every year. But yes, the human trials were significantly accelerated.

"which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies."

This gets into arguments over degree of separation. If I remember the details correctly, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines at the 'proof of concept' stage of development. Those cells weren't involved in the actual vaccine production. J&J used them somehow in production.

"is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law?"

Not exactly. But, when acting under emergency authority granted by the legislature, it's enforceable. More importantly, the mask orders and any vaccination directives issued by the Secretary of Health (or local health officers) have the force of law...and that authority has been upheld by the Supreme Court. "Follow the law" is not technically correct, because the directive does not rise directly from an RCW. But, again, it's enforceable. Think of it like an executive order.

"Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?"

Not 100% sure I'm following you here, but... there's law (at least in Washington, and it was pre-COVID) that requires children to receive certain vaccines to attend school. Polio, MMR, and some others are included. There were some broad exemptions, but a few years ago (also pre-COVID, I believe) the state rules changed to make it more difficult to get an exemption.

It's a perspective thing. There was little pushback against the smallpox, polio, and measles vaccinations, probably because those diseases killed kids. Lots of them. People saw that happening, and couldn't get those shots fast enough. Anything was better than having a kid get polio.

COVID didn't kill a lot of kids, and didn't do it over long periods, so didn't inspire the same anxiety. It conflicted with 1st person choice...and a lot of people were more afraid of losing that choice than they were about getting COVID.

You may have missed this, but even corrupt Pfizer admitted they never tested it on humans. The point was to make a killing on profits. It worked. Follow the money. Always follow the money.
 
"But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two."

Not actually. They were based on work that's been done for 15+ years on vaccines for other coronaviruses (particularly SARS). They tweaked them to fit the current virus, similar to how they make a new flu vaccine every year. But yes, the human trials were significantly accelerated.

"which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies."

This gets into arguments over degree of separation. If I remember the details correctly, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines at the 'proof of concept' stage of development. Those cells weren't involved in the actual vaccine production. J&J used them somehow in production.

"is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law?"

Not exactly. But, when acting under emergency authority granted by the legislature, it's enforceable. More importantly, the mask orders and any vaccination directives issued by the Secretary of Health (or local health officers) have the force of law...and that authority has been upheld by the Supreme Court. "Follow the law" is not technically correct, because the directive does not rise directly from an RCW. But, again, it's enforceable. Think of it like an executive order.

"Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?"

Not 100% sure I'm following you here, but... there's law (at least in Washington, and it was pre-COVID) that requires children to receive certain vaccines to attend school. Polio, MMR, and some others are included. There were some broad exemptions, but a few years ago (also pre-COVID, I believe) the state rules changed to make it more difficult to get an exemption.

It's a perspective thing. There was little pushback against the smallpox, polio, and measles vaccinations, probably because those diseases killed kids. Lots of them. People saw that happening, and couldn't get those shots fast enough. Anything was better than having a kid get polio.

COVID didn't kill a lot of kids, and didn't do it over long periods, so didn't inspire the same anxiety. It conflicted with 1st person choice...and a lot of people were more afraid of losing that choice than they were about getting COVID.
Thanks for the info. And I didn't have any ulterior motive, was just curious as to whether those other shots were actually passed into law. Glad that they were.
 
Geezus Christ. I'm embarrassed to have some of you claim that you are fellow Cougs. *****I don't claim that I am a Coug, I AM a Coug. So there. And WTF died and made you king such that you got to define what makes a Coug anyway? And you want to get your panties all knotted up be embarrassed about me being a Coug? What, you think I must not not be good enough to be a Coug like you? Well, FYI, I graduated in four years with 145 credit hours (120 required for graduation) and about a 3.4 GPA. Got a degree that was marketable and useful (Construction Mgmt) and then went on for a year of grad school before leaving Pullman. That MBA was later finished in night school. I AM capable of rational thought, not just reflexive emotions. But I will not claim to never be wrong, none of us are perfect, you know.

COVID was and still is a f-ed thing. Millions of people died worldwide, 1 million plus in the US. The damn world stopped turning. *****So where did I attempt to minimize the effects and impacts of the virus? Pretty sure i didn't.

The vaccine(s) came out, sane people lined up in droves to get it. As did I. 3 so far, 4th to come. Goddam glad I did when I finally got a mild case. Even your idol Trump got the jab. *****So your position is that if you don't get the vaxs that you are insane? Even though it has been discovered that there are serious, even lethal, side effects on some people (mainly with existing health issues). BTW, I also got the jab, along with 2 boosters. And Trump is and was not my idol. But he sure as Hell did a much better job than the clueless idiot that currently has his strings pulled while stumbling around the White House.

People in power (Inslee, etc.) did what they thought was best for the population. Lives were undoubtedly saved. It was a disaster. Thank Gawd we have more or less come out on the other side. Thankfully this wasn't some Ebola-like disease. Ever see the movie "I am Legend?" Or the original "The Omega Man?". Or "Outbreak?". WTF would you pussies do if you had to make these tough choices? *****Yes, he certainly only had the best interests of EVERYONE as he made his ridiculous mandates. Sure, it made so much sense that restaurants had to close but liquor stores and pot shops were considered "essential services" and were allowed to stay open. Saw Omega, not the other two. And yes, lives were undoubtedly lost and absolutely we have really done a disservice to our children in their education as they were made to stay home for months and months, many for more than a year.
So quit with your F-ing Monday Morning QB'ing. *****MMQB? here it is-about two or three weeks after the pandemic started I had formed my opinion of what would happen. A few smart people were pointing out the life cycle of the typical virus, and how it would mutate and that future variants would be more contagious and yet less serious. So my thinking was to be careful but that the virus would be here without much we could do about it until everyone was exposed to it. Then there would be one of three outcomes-either hardly any symptoms or effects from the virus, or a lot of symptoms and then recovery, and the final option was that it would kill you (mostly those with other serious health issues). And since at that time my wife was dying from a different disease, I limited my exposure out in public, wore the masks, and did get the first vax shot. Maybe that got her a few more weeks, no way to know for sure.

Rolo was a pussy and a prima donna. F-him and his stupid hats. All he had to do is get the jab. *****On the other hand, Inslee could have paid attention to the evolving information about the deficiencies of the shots and not been so authoritarian, especially towards those that already had the virus and also those people that had to work per "normal" during the height of the pandemic and then got fired afterwards as the effect of the virus was waning everywhere. Go ahead and tell us all how that makes sense.

If you are a Coug, you rally behind the G-D flag and knock this "I hope he wins" BS off. WTF is wrong with you people? *****Once again, pretty sure I never said I hope he wins. I do think he and many others got totally fkked over by Inslee and others with their authoritarian mandates. Now time will tell if it will work out better for WSU football in the long run. So far, I would say that things are looking positive, but the grade is still "Incomplete".
 
The State was incredibly vague about how exemptions would be granted or who had the authority to grant them. We had to deal with out where I work. It was a total cluster.
Rolo couldn’t go into recruits living rooms. Kind of a big part of being a P5 coach. Oh…and he wasn’t coaching for shit on Gameday either so there’s that.
I don’t care what anyone’s stance on vaccinations is, boggles my mind everyone who gargles his nards when he proved several times over he didn’t have the chops to coach at this level. He had a full season. He sucked. Let it go.
 
Geezus Christ. I'm embarrassed to have some of you claim that you are fellow Cougs.

COVID was and still is a f-ed thing. Millions of people died worldwide, 1 million plus in the US. The damn world stopped turning.

The vaccine(s) came out, sane people lined up in droves to get it. As did I. 3 so far, 4th to come. Goddam glad I did when I finally got a mild case. Even your idol Trump got the jab.

People in power (Inslee, etc.) did what they thought was best for the population. Lives were undoubtedly saved. It was a disaster. Thank Gawd we have more or less come out on the other side. Thankfully this wasn't some Ebola-like disease. Ever see the movie "I am Legend?" Or the original "The Omega Man?". Or "Outbreak?". WTF would you pussies do if you had to make these tough choices?

So quit with your F-ing Monday Morning QB'ing.

Rolo was a pussy and a prima donna. F-him and his stupid hats. All he had to do is get the jab.

If you are a Coug, you rally behind the G-D flag and knock this "I hope he wins" BS off. WTF is wrong with you people?


600k out of that 1 million dead, was during the 1st 3 months, to 6 months to 9 months to 1 year, during the time that COVID was NEW, didn't know how to treat it, didn't have Vaccines, didn't have Natural immunity, herd immunity, Vaccine based semi somewhat immunity.

AND MOST THAT GOT HOSPITALIZED, DIED WERE OLD PEOPLE(63+ who had COMORBIDITIES(PROBLEMS LIKE CANCER, ETC), IN NURSING HOMES, ETC.


There was about 100 million COVID CASES. THE HOSPITALIZATION RATE WAS ABOUT 4%.

THE MORTALITY DEATH RATE WAS ABOUT .50% TO .75% OF 1%.


Then about 300k people died OUT of about 150 million cases, the 2nd year during the Delta variant.

That was about a .33% of 1% MORTALITY, DEATH RATE.

Then during OMICRON, year 3 there has been about 50k to 75k to 100k to 125k to 150k dead out of about 175 million covid cases.

That was about a .19% out of 1% MORTALITY DEATH RATE.

Now it's in year 4, and about a .07% to .08% out of 1% MORTALITY DEATH RATE.


AND KIDS BETWEEN AGES 3 TO 14 MORTALITY DEATH RATE IS .0004% OUT OF 1% MORTALITY DEATH RATE AND IS ABOUT THE CHANCE OF GETTING HIT BY LIGHTNING.

THATS ACCORDING TO CDC.


AND NO SACRED HEART IN SPOKANE, AND DAVENPORT HOSPITAL, WERE NOT OVERFLOWING, OVERWHELMED AND HAD PLENTY OF OPEN ROOMS, SPACE, CARE(I know because I was there during a stroke 1 year ago)

Fauchi, and LIBTARD doctors, and LIBTARD MEDIA, CDC, WERE MISINFORMING, SPIN DOCTORING, LYING, ONLY MENTIONING 1 million dead OUT OF CONTEXT.

CDC admitted they lied, misinformed, made mistakes, said Vaccine mandates, mask mandates unnecessary, etc.

Florida is just fine without Mandates, etc.

Now there is natural immunity, herd immunity, Vaccine based immunity, and increased, better treatment, reporting, quarantines, etc, to the point where COVID is like the FLU, UNDER CONTROL, EXTREME ULTIMATE LOW DEATH RATE, ETC.

BUT CONTINUE TO WORSHIP NEWSOME, INSLEE, LIBTARDS, ETC.
 
I guess I don't. Are you saying when people were mandated to inject a polio vax in what the 50's their body it was "proven" safe?
Completely different social era and governing culture. Nobody stepped out of line back then.

The COVID vaccine mandates landed squarely during a time of radical social, sexual, gender, and political freedoms of choice.
 
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I don’t see that anything has changed.

He knew the requirement, he knew the consequence. WSU didn’t set the deadline, the state did. They set up meetings with him and a virologist - which was something not available to other employees. He was well aware of what would happen, but He dragged his feet and didn’t file for an exemption until it was too late to do anything if it was denied.
He thought WSU was bluffing…he was wrong.

I think he should certainly get another job if he can find someone to hire him. I also think he shouldn’t get a penny from WSU. I still suspect they’ll settle, just to make it go away, but I’d be fine if they fight it in the courts and he gets Jack.
agree toally, he thought it was a bluff and he lost, his actions alone caused his firing. He actually went to his meeting with the virologist and asked about Bill Gates.
 
Geezus Christ. I'm embarrassed to have some of you claim that you are fellow Cougs.

COVID was and still is a f-ed thing. Millions of people died worldwide, 1 million plus in the US. The damn world stopped turning.

The vaccine(s) came out, sane people lined up in droves to get it. As did I. 3 so far, 4th to come. Goddam glad I did when I finally got a mild case. Even your idol Trump got the jab.

People in power (Inslee, etc.) did what they thought was best for the population. Lives were undoubtedly saved. It was a disaster. Thank Gawd we have more or less come out on the other side. Thankfully this wasn't some Ebola-like disease. Ever see the movie "I am Legend?" Or the original "The Omega Man?". Or "Outbreak?". WTF would you pussies do if you had to make these tough choices?

So quit with your F-ing Monday Morning QB'ing.

Rolo was a pussy and a prima donna. F-him and his stupid hats. All he had to do is get the jab.

If you are a Coug, you rally behind the G-D flag and knock this "I hope he wins" BS off. WTF is wrong with you people?

Unhinged once again.
 
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Chun didn't "get in the middle of the exemption process." The WSU process was that a committee evaluated the applications for exemption. This was designed to be blind, without identifying information attached (although, if you were a high profile position who waited until the last minute, and then notified the press when you applied and your basis...that probably degraded the anonymity). If the committee felt the application met the requirement, they referred to the supervisor to determine if an accommodation could be made based on the job duties.

My understanding is that Rolo's application for exemption was determined to meet the requirements to provide an exemption, but that Chun - as his supervisor - determined that he could not be accommodated.

IF that's the case, most of his lawsuit is DOA. He had due process, the same as any other employee, which eliminates the 14th amendment claim. The 1st amendment claim and religious discrimination claims against Inslee, Washington, and WSU fail, because they didn't make the decision. It remains against Chun (although he'll likely be dismissed as a defendant because he was acting as an employee), but it's going to be nearly impossible to prove that case - especially when Chun is also Catholic. The breach of contract claim depends on the exact contract terms, but could backfire on him since I'm sure there's a clause about representing the university positively. The civil rights violation probably fails early too, since nearly all existing case law says that state and local authorities do have the right to impose vaccination requirements...and has Supreme court precedent (although...not by this court, and it's hard to predict how they'll act).

All of the talk about whether the mandates should have existed in the first place is irrelevant. They did, and WSU had to enforce them. The only real decision to be evaluated is whether Rolo was unreasonably treated in a manner different from other employees. And, it doesn't appear that he was.
Chun did get in the middle of the exemption process. It wasn't Chun's job to opine on whether Rolovich had grounds for a religious exemption or not. Chun was out of his lane.
 
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Rolo couldn’t go into recruits living rooms. Kind of a big part of being a P5 coach. Oh…and he wasn’t coaching for shit on Gameday either so there’s that.
I don’t care what anyone’s stance on vaccinations is, boggles my mind everyone who gargles his nards when he proved several times over he didn’t have the chops to coach at this level. He had a full season. He sucked. Let it go.
Why not? I get that some people we're freaked out by Covid and may not have wanted an unvaccinated person in their home, especially certain demographics. But I don't recall there being a government mandate regarding who could enter your home.
 
Chun did get in the middle of the exemption process. It wasn't Chun's job to opine on whether Rolovich had grounds for a religious exemption or not. Chun was out of his lane.
Chun didn’t rule on the exemption. He decided it couldn’t be accommodated. In the system WSU set up, that was exactly his role.
 
Why not? I get that some people we're freaked out by Covid and may not have wanted an unvaccinated person in their home, especially certain demographics. But I don't recall there being a government mandate regarding who could enter your home.
Doesn’t matter if there was a mandate about that. Some people may not have let them in their homes, which could have impacted his ability to recruit.

And, considering how WSU and the state approached the whole thing, sending him out and asking people to let him in their homes didn’t fit with their approach.
 
Chun did get in the middle of the exemption process. It wasn't Chun's job to opine on whether Rolovich had grounds for a religious exemption or not. Chun was out of his lane.

The smoking gun is discovery here...and leverage for the Rolo team. If Rolo's team finds that Chun was encouraged to move in this direction politically (essentially by Inslee's camp), or can spin that narrative, WSU and the State want to bury this politically.
 
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The smoking gun is discovery here...and leverage for the Rolo team. If Rolo's team finds that Chun was encouraged to move in this direction politically (essentially by Inslee's camp), or can spin that narrative, WSU and the State want to bury this politically.
Worse, Rolo was singled out right away and was made an example out of for political optics.
 
Come on Ed, pay attention now. We are not talking about polio here, we're talking covid. So let me spell it out to you- getting a vaccination (getting a substance injected INTO your body) may have some negative effects on your body. Having a drug test done on your pee after it has left your body cannot have ANY negative effect on your body. That was my point. I think you knew that, but went ahead and answered with a dose of questions back at me that lacked direct relevancy to my point.

I don't have a standard for how long drug trials last, but when Trump pushed to have a vaccination developed quickly I recall all the reports about how it always takes 4-5 years to develop a vaccine or get a drug to market. So I guess that might be considered "standard", right? But the Covid-19 vaccines were developed in less than a single year and then started being injected in people within a month or two. No long term studies to determine side effects, right? Apparently few to no studies done to evaluate the effectiveness of limiting transmission of the virus, or to prevent catching the virus.

Sure people can/could grow their own weed. So what? They could also distill their own booze, but so what again? And no, I don't think the alcohol is as bad for what they were considering. People that smoke to start are more likely to end up with harder drugs, which is where the real trouble lies. (not saying that alcohol is not bad at all, so don't bother going down that rabbit hole).

Don't lose sight of the crux of the argument between Rolo and WSU/WA State, which is supposedly about the origins of the vaccine involving tissue from aborted babies.



As an aside to this discussion, is a proclamation from the WA governor actually a law? I always thought that an actual law was a statute passed by a legislative body and then approval signed by the appropriate executive (mayor, governor, president). If so, why do folks keep saying that Rolo had to "follow the law"? Let's hear from you legal beagles on this one.

Further aside, but still related, were the vaccines like polio, measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc ever passed into law by the feds or states? Or was everyone just expected to go along to get along?
Well...thanks for answering my question. So maybe now you should pay attention. This info I am telling you I didn't hear it from so and so, I heard it from a drug developer, someone who developed a first tier non -Hodskins lymphoma therapy and his company is developing a very successful triple X negative breast cancer drug. He has spent close to 40 years in this area, so I trust him implicitly. And in April of 2020 he told me exactly what to expect the next two years in terms of covid, the second wave etc and it happened exactly the way he said it would.

So that is my information source. He explained about vaccines. They know how to make vaccines. They have done it for 60 years. Sort of like making a cake. They know the general ingredients, they just have to figure out how to make a white cake or a yellow cake. And for a non baker that is the egg yolk. So making a vaccine is a known.

Second, the vaccine is clear and out of your system in 30 days. So the side affects are known within 60. The reason cancer drugs take longer is because you aren't getting one shot, you get them every day for months and even some times years. With the vaccine it is a one shot deal. They know the downside affects early.

Second, take triple X negative breast cancer and say they are doing the study in stage two. How many woman can you gather for stage 2 breast cancer that is triple x in a weeks time? Say 100. So it takes time to get enough people in the study to make up 40,000 or whatever they need to do complete the study. That is why the studies are 3-5 years.

With Covid they could find 40,000 people in a day in Snohomish County to conduct the study. And if they inject people on December 15, the vaccine is out of the system by January one, they study the data and have another trial.

Third, in the cancer drug scenario, their study goes to the bottom of the pile for review. reminds me of the banking business in 2011 when there was short sale after short sale. The truth is it took someone maybe four hours to approve the short sale at the bank. So why did it take 6 months to receive an approval? Because each underwriter had a pile of four hundred in their office so it was a first in first out and new submissions went to the bottom of the pile.

With Covid the President ordered the FDA to look at the results of the trials immediately. That's why it was sped up, they didn't cut corners.

Well people who drink are more likely to smoke pot, then go to harder drugs. As someone who doesn't smoke, I can tell you that you are not accurate on going to harsher drugs. Pot is not the gateway drug...prescribed Oxi is.

My old office manager in 2005ish was probably 56 when she retired. If you were to ask me if she had a glass of wine, sure. Did she ever smoke pot? Probably once every three or four years. But you know what happened? she fell on stairs, hurt her back and got addicted to oxi. At her funeral four years ago where she was buried at 88 pounds, I ran into another former fellow worker. She lives in suburbia, well respected community, and is a great mom.

At the service she confides in me this is upsetting more than just a death of a friend. Her son played hockey and hurt his shoulder, got addicted to oxi, now lives on the streets.

You will find probably that the vast majority of the campers on the Seattle streets didn't start with pot and get addicted to heroin, but rather went from Oxi to heroin.

And yes they make the polio vaccine and other vaccine mandatory to go to public schools, to participate in sports.

As to rolo, the moment he mentioned Bill Gates they were done with him. The guy hasn't figured out they don't need to inject you with a tracker, but simply use the phone he uses to tweet to track him.
 
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Chun didn’t rule on the exemption. He decided it couldn’t be accommodated. In the system WSU set up, that was exactly his role.
I didn't say that Chun did rule on the exemption. I'm having trouble finding it now, but I know I read that Chun wrote a letter (or wrote something) questioning the basis for Rolovich's religious exemption. That was not Chun's job, and was a mistake for at least two reasons. First, it indicates that the review process was not actually blind. Second, as stated above, Chun was out of his lane.
 
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I didn't say that Chun did rule on the exemption. I'm having trouble finding it now, but I know I read that Chun wrote a letter (or wrote something) questioning the basis for Rolovich's religious exemption. That was not Chun's job, and was a mistake for at least two reasons. First, it indicates that the review process was not actually blind. Second, as stated above, Chun was out of his lane.
I think that fact is hazy (Chun shooting down the exemption).

In your opinion, if Chun did have first hand experience that Rolo was more concerned with Bill Gates being involved with the vaccine etc and had never mentioned religion as a reason he wouldn’t get it in multiple conversations with Chun would that give Chun some leeway to deny the exemption request?
 
I think that fact is hazy (Chun shooting down the exemption).

In your opinion, if Chun did have first hand experience that Rolo was more concerned with Bill Gates being involved with the vaccine etc and had never mentioned religion as a reason he wouldn’t get it in multiple conversations with Chun would that give Chun some leeway to deny the exemption request?
The exemption process was supposed to be blind, and was done by a committee that did not include Chun. If Chun get involved in the exemption decision, WSU violated its own process. Chun's role was to determine if accommodation could be made if Rolovich was exempt.
 
I think that fact is hazy (Chun shooting down the exemption).

In your opinion, if Chun did have first hand experience that Rolo was more concerned with Bill Gates being involved with the vaccine etc and had never mentioned religion as a reason he wouldn’t get it in multiple conversations with Chun would that give Chun some leeway to deny the exemption request?
To your second question, based on my experience, its merely an accommodation request. You need to be vaccinated to have employment (it's law). Can you be accommodated if you aren't vaccinated? (Masking, maintaining distances, etc.). Pure judgement call by the employer, NOT, the employee.

All the other noise is just that....not relevant.
 
Worse, Rolo was singled out right away and was made an example out of for political optics.
Yeah cause he had the highest profile and was a leader . Have two 2020 seasons and wsu football team is playing flag football and the athletic department would be buried in debt .

Hey if Rolo got religious exceptions for his kids to go to school and play sports then he should have been given his exemption or a buyout .

But you have him asking about bill gates and June Jones buried him

Who was the only coach who couldn’t perform his duties at media day ? In home visits ?
 
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