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Fierce competitors don't like riding the pine.

Good. He’s a starting QB. Jalen Hurts isn’t. Some of these coaches can’t get out of their own way. I’m hoping he lands in Denver, I really don’t want them giving up 3 first rounders for a QB at the end of his career.
 
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The writer didn’t do much homework. Minshew went on a cross country road trip after his rookie season. He’s started another one. First stop at his parents and second stop is to see an old Pirate.


He still may find a new home where he is the starter. I hope that is the case. But there is nothing cryptic about this like the writer states. Some of the comments point this out.
 
The writer didn’t do much homework. Minshew went on a cross country road trip after his rookie season. He’s started another one. First stop at his parents and second stop is to see an old Pirate.


He still may find a new home where he is the starter. I hope that is the case. But there is nothing cryptic about this like the writer states. Some of the comments point this out.
That’s what I thought too.

I thought he had another year left on his contract, so I’m not sure why this writer is referring to free agency anyway.

Ultimately, GM wants to play, so I’m sure he’s willing to leave. But I don’t think he has many cards to play.
 
I don't think Minshew is a franchise QB, but he's right on the bubble between a bad team starter and a good backup. His attitude will keep him in the league for a long time.
 
I don't think Minshew is a franchise QB, but he's right on the bubble between a bad team starter and a good backup. His attitude will keep him in the league for a long time.
Define franchise QB.

Because he's a damn sight better than at least half of the guys wearing the red jersey week in and week out in the league. Oh, and despite the insinuation from the Hurts cheering squad, if guys can't read defenses by the time they get to the league they don't magically just figure it out - either they can or they can't and the league is rife with proof of that.
 
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I don't think Minshew is a franchise QB, but he's right on the bubble between a bad team starter and a good backup. His attitude will keep him in the league for a long time.
Curious. Comparing Minshew to Garoppolo, who would you rather have as your starter next year?
 
Curious. Comparing Minshew to Garoppolo, who would you rather have as your starter next year?
I haven’t watched a lot of Garoppolo, but my gut reaction is that I’d take either one. I think Garoppolo has more pure talent. GM has to work harder. But I think that fact makes him a spark plug for the rest of his team. He makes the players around him better. It wasn’t so apparent in Jacksonville because that team is such a train wreck - as proved by being only the 3rd team to have back to back #1 picks - but even in Philly that team’s best game this season was not with Hurts taking the snaps.

GM isn’t going to be the stud QB who carries his team to a title. But he might be the really good QB who makes it easy for his team to take him to one.
 
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I don't think Minshew is a franchise QB, but he's right on the bubble between a bad team starter and a good backup. His attitude will keep him in the league for a long time.
He’s absolutely not on any bubble. He might not be a top 15 QB but he is solidly better than 5-10 starting QBs in the league right now. And better skill wise is only part of the equation. He’s inexpensive which means if you make the right moves with the freed up money, you can build a team around him that can make a deep playoff run.
 
He’s absolutely not on any bubble. He might not be a top 15 QB but he is solidly better than 5-10 starting QBs in the league right now. And better skill wise is only part of the equation. He’s inexpensive which means if you make the right moves with the freed up money, you can build a team around him that can make a deep playoff run.
Many assessing QBs seem not to account for their situations, which make all the difference. It will be tragic if Minshew never gets any real shot with a team that isn't a train wreck, or, in the case of the Eagles, with a second-team unit with little motivation playing against starters. Even in the circumstances he faced in Jacksonville, he put up great numbers and, in particular, clearly outperformed the guy who got the big deal to be an ostensible franchise QB on that team (Foles). It wasn't even close.

We're biased in his favor, but just look at the numbers he's put up compared to some others despite playing in tire fires. One reasonably can question his upside, but he's a high-floor QB with a ceiling that, while admittedly isn't elite, probably is higher than most would assume when just giving his career thus far a high-level glance and writing him off as a backup or a starter on a bad team. He's not a starter on a bad team. He's a starter who only has gotten a shot on not just a bad team, but the NFL equivalent of the Indians in Major League. While he's cheap, I think he absolutely could QB a team deep in the playoffs and maybe even win it all if the resources not used on him could go toward other key components of a team.
 
Many assessing QBs seem not to account for their situations, which make all the difference. It will be tragic if Minshew never gets any real shot with a team that isn't a train wreck, or, in the case of the Eagles, with a second-team unit with little motivation playing against starters. Even in the circumstances he faced in Jacksonville, he put up great numbers and, in particular, clearly outperformed the guy who got the big deal to be an ostensible franchise QB on that team (Foles). It wasn't even close.

We're biased in his favor, but just look at the numbers he's put up compared to some others despite playing in tire fires. One reasonably can question his upside, but he's a high-floor QB with a ceiling that, while admittedly isn't elite, probably is higher than most would assume when just giving his career thus far a high-level glance and writing him off as a backup or a starter on a bad team. He's not a starter on a bad team. He's a starter who only has gotten a shot on not just a bad team, but the NFL equivalent of the Indians in Major League. While he's cheap, I think he absolutely could QB a team deep in the playoffs and maybe even win it all if the resources not used on him could go toward other key components of a team.
Agree 100%. I know the big star QBs sell tickets and jerseys, but paying them $20M per year forces you to cut corners somewhere, and might prevent you from winning a title.
Teams shouldn’t sink piles of money into one player, and the teams who earn the #1 pick should never use it on a player.
 
Many assessing QBs seem not to account for their situations, which make all the difference. It will be tragic if Minshew never gets any real shot with a team that isn't a train wreck, or, in the case of the Eagles, with a second-team unit with little motivation playing against starters. Even in the circumstances he faced in Jacksonville, he put up great numbers and, in particular, clearly outperformed the guy who got the big deal to be an ostensible franchise QB on that team (Foles). It wasn't even close.

We're biased in his favor, but just look at the numbers he's put up compared to some others despite playing in tire fires. One reasonably can question his upside, but he's a high-floor QB with a ceiling that, while admittedly isn't elite, probably is higher than most would assume when just giving his career thus far a high-level glance and writing him off as a backup or a starter on a bad team. He's not a starter on a bad team. He's a starter who only has gotten a shot on not just a bad team, but the NFL equivalent of the Indians in Major League. While he's cheap, I think he absolutely could QB a team deep in the playoffs and maybe even win it all if the resources not used on him could go toward other key components of a team.
Maybe there will be a good opportunity for Gardner in Tampa Bay this year. Rumors are flying that Brady is retiring, so......

But, I think I read that while TB had almost every starter back from their Super Bowl team this year, that there are a boatload of free agents that could be leaving the team now. Whatever, I am sure he would love the chance to compete for the job.
 
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Maybe there will be a good opportunity for Gardner in Tampa Bay this year. Rumors are flying that Brady is retiring, so......

But, I think I read that while TB had almost every starter back from their Super Bowl team this year, that there are a boatload of free agents that could be leaving the team now. Whatever, I am sure he would love the chance to compete for the job.
Tampa brought in Jameis Winston. That's all you need to know about their qb evaluation prowess.
 
Agree 100%. I know the big star QBs sell tickets and jerseys, but paying them $20M per year forces you to cut corners somewhere, and might prevent you from winning a title.
Teams shouldn’t sink piles of money into one player, and the teams who earn the #1 pick should never use it on a player.
$20? That was 10 years ago these guys are making $40-50 now. Granted the salary cap has grown too but unless you have Mahomes or the like the most probable way to a SB is have a good young QB who’s cheap and build a solid team around them with the extra cap space. That’s exactly what Minshew is…for one more year at least.
 
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$20? That was 10 years ago these guys are making $40-50 now. Granted the salary cap has grown too but unless you have Mahomes or the like the most probable way to a SB is have a good young QB who’s cheap and build a solid team around them with the extra cap space. That’s exactly what Minshew is…for one more year at least.
Less than half of the starters in the league are over $20M in total cash or cap hit. In base salary, it’s less than 10 of them. And that’s 2022 numbers.
Only about half of them even made the playoffs. The rest are a net drain on their teams.
 
Less than half of the starters in the league are over $20M in total cash or cap hit. In base salary, it’s less than 10 of them. And that’s 2022 numbers.
Only about half of them even made the playoffs. The rest are a net drain on their teams.
Every QB under 20 with the exception of Carr is either on their rookie deal or a bridge QB. Any other true Franchise guy on a 2nd contract is at $35+. Mahomes must be pretty backloaded I know his deal was around $50. Matt Ryan at $48? Tanehill at $38? Imagine what Josh Allen is gonna get?!
 
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Every QB under 20 with the exception of Carr is either on their rookie deal or a bridge QB. Any other true Franchise guy on a 2nd contract is at $35+. Mahomes must be pretty backloaded I know his deal was around $50. Matt Ryan at $48? Tanehill at $38? Imagine what Josh Allen is gonna get?!
Looks like Allen is about $46M this year, with his bonuses. Looks like it’s the biggest year of his current contract.

There are some veterans on that list that are seriously overpaid.
 
So you guys think the NFL is “missing” on Gardner’s potential?

Come on.

Yes, because the GM's, Presidents, GM, President like HC's, executives, etc, either don't know the not so obvious talent when they see it, an or don't listen to the talent scouts, an or only want to sell tickets with a Splash player(see the movie Draft, and the pressure that was put on the browns president, GM to pick a splash(NFL is like that movie), an or the owner demands a certain player, an or they think that a 500 million QB will take them to Superbowl, etc.

And even if the president, GM, HC, etc, listens to their talent scouts, the talent scouts sometimes suck.

Only about 1% of the NFL teams, Owners, presidents, GM's, HC's, scouts, know what they are, were doing, and like New England having Brady Cheap in beginning, or like Seahawks with Russel Wilson in the beginning.

So yes the NFL is probably missing on Gardner's potential for at least now, just like the NFL misses out on a lot of potential, which is why most teams don't do what New England, Seahawks did.
 
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