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Scuttlebutt says AR15 will be the immediate starter in Indy, putting GMII in another fight for a roster spot.

Unless Richardson is a savant, Minshew should get the nod based on knowing the offense, but in this league new and shiny wins over tried and true every day of the week, so I'm not hopeful.
 
Would be ridiculous to start AR off the bat. It’s absolutely in his best interest to watch a year of football and learn. Minshew has the mind AR needs. AR has the physical talent. Guy could hardly go .500 in college ball with tons of talent. He needs time to develop. And that is not even being selfish in terms of wanting Minshew to start or get a legit chance. How to ruin a qb 101.
 
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Would be ridiculous to start AR off the bat. It’s absolutely in his best interest to watch a year of football and learn. Minshew has the mind AR needs. AR has the physical talent. Guy could hardly go .500 in college ball with tons of talent. He needs time to develop. And that is not even being selfish in terms of wanting Minshew to start or get a legit chance. How to ruin a qb 101.
#4 picks don’t ride the bench. Colts are no doubt planning to start him if they can get him anywhere near ready. GM provides a serviceable option if Richardson can’t go. He also provides a sacrificial lamb if they need someone to get beat up while the team learns.
Either way, GM is on a 1-year deal. Seems pretty clear Indy was planning to draft a QB all along, and worst case have that kid be their 2024 starter. They didn’t plan on GM being more than a stopgap or a backup.

He gets $3.5M this year - fully guaranteed, which could set GM up to move into coaching. Or, he can test the market again as a UFA. If he gets playing time, he could play his way to another contract. If he’s a backup all season, the market is going to be pretty soft.
 
Scuttlebutt says AR15 will be the immediate starter in Indy, putting GMII in another fight for a roster spot.

Unless Richardson is a savant, Minshew should get the nod based on knowing the offense, but in this league new and shiny wins over tried and true every day of the week, so I'm not hopeful.

GM has been screwed by two coaching staffs now.
 
WSU is the only place where Gardner was treated well...
Gardner lacks something to make him a starter . You think he can go toe to toe with Allen in Buffalo? Burrow? Mahomes?

If you are looking to win big that is what you better have .

And getting paid 3 plus isn’t being treated bad .
 
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I don't think he was treated badly in Jax or Philly by any stretch. He was just stuck behind 2 franchise QBs who are both living up to their billing.

When a team uses a high pick on a qb, they’re going to play regardless.

I’d like to see him get a shot with talent around him and a staff willing to play the best qb.

If he is a backup to a guy with maybe a dozen starts under his belt…. was it a fair shot?
 
Starting Richardson is dangerous territory. Florida had tons of talent. He could hardly get it done there with his supreme athleticism. You can ruin a player starting them early just like in baseball. He needs time to season, but I can understand why they’d take the risk and roll him out week 1.
 

How would you like to be evaluated on performance with hot garbage around you? Imagine staffs deciding that you can’t play when your OL is: traffic cone, banana peel, scarecrow, strobe light and a wrong way sign. And your receivers are you and sponge. And the running back is me.

Is that a fair shot? Has he gotten a fair shot to win a job as a starter? No.
 
As long as variations of the run pass option are in vogue in the NFL, there will be a significant need for a reliable back up QB, and probably a couple of teams each season who have to reach to their # 3 QB for at least a few games if not more. That has always been true, but offenses that trade greater QB exposure for a more potent offense put a real premium on having some QB back up. If GM does not play a lot this year, there will be a team who wants him next year. And putting a rookie QB on the field for game 1 is one of those risk/reward judgment calls that might work out great or might not. At $3+ m, I don't see how GM can lose. And he has a pretty long shelf life ahead of him if he is not starting, so another year more or less is not going to damage him for future play.
 
As long as variations of the run pass option are in vogue in the NFL, there will be a significant need for a reliable back up QB, and probably a couple of teams each season who have to reach to their # 3 QB for at least a few games if not more. That has always been true, but offenses that trade greater QB exposure for a more potent offense put a real premium on having some QB back up. If GM does not play a lot this year, there will be a team who wants him next year. And putting a rookie QB on the field for game 1 is one of those risk/reward judgment calls that might work out great or might not. At $3+ m, I don't see how GM can lose. And he has a pretty long shelf life ahead of him if he is not starting, so another year more or less is not going to damage him for future play.
Yeah I wouldn't cry over 3.5 million. And you never know what might happen down the road. Look at Geno Smith.
 
How would you like to be evaluated on performance with hot garbage around you? Imagine staffs deciding that you can’t play when your OL is: traffic cone, banana peel, scarecrow, strobe light and a wrong way sign. And your receivers are you and sponge. And the running back is me.

Is that a fair shot? Has he gotten a fair shot to win a job as a starter? No.
LOL! Love your lineup. Looks like banana peel is the strongest of the bunch. :)
 
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How would you like to be evaluated on performance with hot garbage around you? Imagine staffs deciding that you can’t play when your OL is: traffic cone, banana peel, scarecrow, strobe light and a wrong way sign. And your receivers are you and sponge. And the running back is me.

Is that a fair shot? Has he gotten a fair shot to win a job as a starter? No.
Philly had hot garbage around him? Didn’t exactly light it up . Coaches know or at least they think they know if the back up is a 16 game a year starter and can take you into the playoffs .
 
Maybe Gardner is a back up

Maybe he should be given a chance to compete:
a. with a fair competition
b. with decent talent around him
c. in a scheme that fits what he does best

You are a f’ing back up.
 
Gardner lacks something to make him a starter . You think he can go toe to toe with Allen in Buffalo? Burrow? Mahomes?

If you are looking to win big that is what you better have .

And getting paid 3 plus isn’t being treated bad .
I must have missed the memo when this was released:

"Gardner Minshew signed a 1 year, $3,500,000 contract with the Indianapolis Colts, including $3,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,500,000."
 
I don't think he was treated badly in Jax or Philly by any stretch. He was just stuck behind 2 franchise QBs who are both living up to their billing.

Jacksonville leadership intentionally tanked the team during Gardner's second season so that they could get Trevor Lawrence. I'd say that's pretty bad. I'll forever root against discount Prince Charming because the Jags did that.

Philly was not as bad since everyone knew that he was likely never going to start there and his only purpose there was to be the backup to a more established player.
 
Jacksonville leadership intentionally tanked the team during Gardner's second season so that they could get Trevor Lawrence. I'd say that's pretty bad. I'll forever root against discount Prince Charming because the Jags did that.

Philly was not as bad since everyone knew that he was likely never going to start there and his only purpose there was to be the backup to a more established player.
Yeah, Philly was all in on Hurts before GM arrived. He was cheap insurance.

Jacksonville gave away most of their best players on the way to getting Lawrence. Supposedly, GM pushed him pretty hard in practice for the starting job, but the only way a 3rd year 6th round pick is getting the nod over a brand new #1 pick is if the #1 is hurt or is massively outplayed. #1 picks don’t sit, even if they should.

Once they made the decision to start Lawrence, they had to get rid of GM to avoid any hint of a QB controversy, so they sent him to Philly on the cheap.

Nobody has really given GM credit for putting up pretty solid numbers in Jacksonville even when surrounded by complete garbage. He put up 3K yards and had a good TD:INT ratio….but since they didn’t win, it doesn’t matter.

He played well in relief in 2021, but not so much in 2022. I don’t know for sure what the reason for the slump in 2022 was, but it’s not hard to see that Hurts and Minshew play the game with different styles, so that could have been part of the issue. Also possible he just wasn’t getting the reps in practice. Don’t know for sure, but it didn’t do him any favors at contract time. Didn’t help that this was a good qb draft.

He’s likely the backup again this year, but at least he’s getting a solid paycheck. And Richardson is not Lawrence, so there’s a little better chance that maybe he sees time.
 
Minshew did not suck this year. You go through almost any/all starting QB's and take their "worst" games and measure that against Minshew's.

For crying out loud... give him a full healthy squad and a half bit of offense strategy that fits and then measure.

Minshew did enough in the league to prove he's a starter and carries iron nuts.
 
I wish that just once, he got a real shot at starting on a decent team. I'm a little less confident now than I used to be that he could be a league average starter if he was in a good situation, given that he didn't exactly light it up when Hurts was out and he got some starts, but he's never had a real shot at earning the job and keeping it.

This is just more of the same for another year. He could be in a better situation being the backup, coming in to save things if Richardson isn't ready and fails (which seems likely), as opposed to being the starter and having all the fans boo him every time he does anything imperfectly and chanting Richardson's name.
 
Jacksonville leadership intentionally tanked the team during Gardner's second season so that they could get Trevor Lawrence. I'd say that's pretty bad. I'll forever root against discount Prince Charming because the Jags did that.

Philly was not as bad since everyone knew that he was likely never going to start there and his only purpose there was to be the backup to a more established player.
Not only did they tank, they went out of their way to play a scrub with numbers much worse than Minshew at the end of the year in what was pretty obvious tanking insurance. He really did well in Jacksonville. Nobody else, from the then-big contract guy in Foles to whoever else they ran out there, did even close to as well. That was a complete shitshow. It made me pretty bullish on his opportunity to get a shot at starting somewhere, but he didn't help himself with how he did in his limited opps when Hurts was out.
 
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How would you like to be evaluated on performance with hot garbage around you? Imagine staffs deciding that you can’t play when your OL is: traffic cone, banana peel, scarecrow, strobe light and a wrong way sign. And your receivers are you and sponge. And the running back is me.

Is that a fair shot? Has he gotten a fair shot to win a job as a starter? No.
Sincerely,

Cam Ward
 
Sponge, thanks for that clip; it brought a smile to my face.
M-I, your typo on Axel also brought a smile to my face!
425, your point is valid. At some point there will be a team who loses two QB's and needs GM. He will see a field somewhere.
Leach & Biggs, the Cam I saw in the spring game was way ahead of the Cam I saw last year. Was that coaching? Maturity? The system? All the above? I don't know for sure at this point, but he looked like he knew what he was doing in the spring game, and that was a step up from portions of last year.

Finally, there has been a lot of moaning on several Coug sites about our LB group. The general theme seems to be that nobody stands out from the top group of 4-5 kids. So long as they are all playing well, who cares? To me, that is a plus. We've wanted competition in the position groups for years. LB seems to have it this year. The sky is not falling.
 
I wish that just once, he got a real shot at starting on a decent team. I'm a little less confident now than I used to be that he could be a league average starter if he was in a good situation, given that he didn't exactly light it up when Hurts was out and he got some starts, but he's never had a real shot at earning the job and keeping it.

This is just more of the same for another year. He could be in a better situation being the backup, coming in to save things if Richardson isn't ready and fails (which seems likely), as opposed to being the starter and having all the fans boo him every time he does anything imperfectly and chanting Richardson's name.
Unfortunately, I think the window is closing for him.
 
Sponge, thanks for that clip; it brought a smile to my face.
M-I, your typo on Axel also brought a smile to my face!
425, your point is valid. At some point there will be a team who loses two QB's and needs GM. He will see a field somewhere.
Leach & Biggs, the Cam I saw in the spring game was way ahead of the Cam I saw last year. Was that coaching? Maturity? The system? All the above? I don't know for sure at this point, but he looked like he knew what he was doing in the spring game, and that was a step up from portions of last year.

Finally, there has been a lot of moaning on several Coug sites about our LB group. The general theme seems to be that nobody stands out from the top group of 4-5 kids. So long as they are all playing well, who cares? To me, that is a plus. We've wanted competition in the position groups for years. LB seems to have it this year. The sky is not falling.

Take the WSU defense, remove its 1st team All Pac 12 linebacker, remove its DB that signed a free agent NFL deal, take the 2 best players (Stone and Jackson) off the field after the first series…. what is left?

How well should a qb with 30+ starts under his belt, hopefully a better qb coach and scheme…. perform against that defense?

Could Ward be better? Yes. Could all these starts and reps have finally added up and fallen his way so the light goes on? Yes. Could the new coach be exactly what he needed? Yes. Could the new receivers be an upgrade? Yes.

The defense is still as described above. Im gonna need to see it against Pac 12 teams to believe it.
 
Unfortunately, I think the window is closing for him.
Well, window is not closing as a backup. Who's the NFL Qb who just retired at - I think - 37 after basically being a career backup? I'd take that gig for a couple of million every year. At this point GM just needs to take whatever is offered, stay healthy and maybe get a shot down the road. As I mentioned previously look at Geno Smith.
 
Banana Peel starting at left guard reminds me of this classic scene


Take the WSU defense, remove its 1st team All Pac 12 linebacker, remove its DB that signed a free agent NFL deal, take the 2 best players (Stone and Jackson) off the field after the first series…. what is left?

How well should a qb with 30+ starts under his belt, hopefully a better qb coach and scheme…. perform against that defense?

Could Ward be better? Yes. Could all these starts and reps have finally added up and fallen his way so the light goes on? Yes. Could the new coach be exactly what he needed? Yes. Could the new receivers be an upgrade? Yes.

The defense is still as described above. Im gonna need to see it against Pac 12 teams to believe it.
Understood. But as the old song says, "You gotta believe!". ;)
 
Not only that, they run a completely different playbook for Gardner that makes the Brink and dunk look explosive.
This was exactly what I thought when I saw him standing in for Hurts last year. They seemed to have "dumbed" down the play calling, taking a much more conservative approach. Hope Indy knows what they have in GMII.
 
This was exactly what I thought when I saw him standing in for Hurts last year. They seemed to have "dumbed" down the play calling, taking a much more conservative approach. Hope Indy knows what they have in GMII.
I think part of that was based on physical style and capability. GM is more mobile than the traditional pocket passer, but his mobility is not in the same realm as Hurts. Their playbook takes advantage of Hurts' legs, and that's not GM's strength. I'm afraid that with Indy drafting Richardson, they're looking for that Hurts-like mobility, so again GM will be playing in a system that doesn't fit.
 
I think part of that was based on physical style and capability. GM is more mobile than the traditional pocket passer, but his mobility is not in the same realm as Hurts. Their playbook takes advantage of Hurts' legs, and that's not GM's strength. I'm afraid that with Indy drafting Richardson, they're looking for that Hurts-like mobility, so again GM will be playing in a system that doesn't fit.
Not sure how mobility plays into not having a pass longer than 8 yards in the playbook for GM
 
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