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Why not take everyone? Fck it. Invite every BCS, G5 and FCS school. Have an enormous league. Never have to leave the Western US. Never have a lack of games. Find a streaming deal with subs that let’s you keep what you kill. Have a championship game. Have a roster limit so the talent spreads. Add NIL guardrails. Make up fake trophy rivalry games. Then go play well coached football and let the chips fall where they fall.

Stop chasing what doesn’t want to be chased and build what you want to build.
Not really opposed to that idea, but I'd guess there's something about expenses to where the insurance policies (and the like) along with traveling make it so there's not enough coming in to make it doable.

If there was ZERO to worry about on the money side... get Hawaii
 
Absolutely zero chance that we will get P5 status restored (recall that it was stripped earlier this year). Two schools downgraded to G5 (basically) add 4 and soon to be 6 G5 schools, so that elevates them to P5 stature? Hey I'd love to be wrong and eat crow on this.

That said, I'm very much in shock (not good or bad, just shock) over this development. I guess Teresa keeps her job.
I think you're wrong on this
 
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Why not take everyone? Fck it. Invite every BCS, G5 and FCS school. Have an enormous league. Never have to leave the Western US. Never have a lack of games. Find a streaming deal with subs that let’s you keep what you kill. Have a championship game. Have a roster limit so the talent spreads. Add NIL guardrails. Make up fake trophy rivalry games. Then go play well coached football and let the chips fall where they fall.

Stop chasing what doesn’t want to be chased and build what you want to build.
I agree, and I have mentioned this before, College football as we know it will end up with 30,40,60 super teams, whatever the number, WSU won't be part of it. Start another division, scholarship limits, No NIL or with NIL caps, limit the number of transfers, and comp for players that transfer, you can go on and on. You could come up with a league that will be closer to what college football has been, than the one it is about to become with the Super League. I think there would be a lot of fan interest in a league that more resembles college football's past, than what the future is about to bring us, and with fan interest there is still TV money. And these team will still be very competitive and have players go to the NFL. As Saban said, you can spend 20 million on NIL money, but if you have the wrong players you are SOL. And this is what will happen to many teams in the Super League.

It's still too early to start this as there are still about 30 teams that think they are part of the super league, that won't be. Once they recognize that, is the time to come up the new league.
 
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I agree, and I have mentioned this before, College football as we know it will end up with 30,40,60 super teams, whatever the number, WSU won't be part of it. Start another division, scholarship limits, No NIL or with NIL caps, limit the number of transfers, and comp for players that transfer, you can go on and on. You could come up with a league that will be closer to what college football has been, than the one it is about to become with the Super League. I think there would be a lot of fan interest in a league that more resembles college football's past, than what the future is about to bring us, and with fan interest there is still TV money. And these team will still be very competitive and have players go to the NFL. As Saban said, you can spend 20 million on NIL money, but if you have the wrong players you are SOL. And this is what will happen to many teams in the Super League.

It's still too early to start this as there are still about 30 teams that think they are part of the super league, that won't be. Once they recognize that, is the time to come up the new league.

The law says you cannot limit NIL. So there’s that. However…. make the kid choose. Take the scholarship or take the NIL. But if yoi take the NIL $$$ you are also paying your own way. Maybe that helps get around it. As for transfers… no in conference transfers and no bounce backs. You are in or you are out. Cut the rosters to 70 all in. Gives you a 3 deep on both sides of the ball and 4 more to use as you want. I wouldnt rule against having schools of varying academic status, but I would have a bare minimum academic standard to get into the conference. I also wouldn’t care how much or how little schools wanted to invest. If you wanna be a slumlord and spend $0 and lose all your games…. your choice. But the streaming deal would have a subs element. You get a base $$$ but anything above is on you.
 
This: I’m going to lose my mind if it’s Tulane and Memphis.

I hope they keep this conference out west, the only conference concerned about "Carbon Footprint". Not that I really give a crap about the conference Carbon Footprint.
Memphis and Nola are superior road trips than Vegas

Authentic real fun.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that UNLV is playing the long game. It might be them who declined. Everything about future realignment is tied to market and market size. Las Vegas is the crown jewel of corporate greed.

At some point, one of the emerging super conferences is going to bring UNLV on board. Can you imagine Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, LSU, etc. playing in Las Vegas? I can. I know how those fan bases travel.
There’s rumors a MWC school declined?

My guess is the 4 schools were targeted as best brands and were given the best terms. If more MWC come in they’ll have to pony up more $$ then the first 4.
 
There’s rumors a MWC school declined?

My guess is the 4 schools were targeted as best brands and were given the best terms. If more MWC come in they’ll have to pony up more $$ then the first 4.
Your post makes no sense. The Pac-2 has to pony up the poaching fee amount of $10M+ per school per our scheduling agreement. Departing MW conference schools have to pay the MW $17M each. The only "pony up" that could possibly exist is if the Pac promised to pay some or all of the exit fees for the first 4, then would lower that promise to future MW schools. However, I have yet to hear anything about the Pac contributing to exit fees.
 
There’s rumors a MWC school declined?

My guess is the 4 schools were targeted as best brands and were given the best terms. If more MWC come in they’ll have to pony up more $$ then the first 4.
Rumor is UNLV was offered but declined because they want Nevada-Reno to come and were told no.
 
Rumor is UNLV was offered but declined because they want Nevada-Reno to come and were told no.
Good article below that mentions this in passing. Of course there was no hurdle for the NW traitors when they jumped....

 
Just heard that we offered UNLV, but they insisted on being a package deal with Nevada. We said no because that would drop the MWC below 8 teams.

If true, I'm glad that we took the high road and left the MWC intact.

I'm glad that PAC said no to Nevada as a packaged deal, as Nevada is not good enough to Join PAC. UNLV is good enough to join PAC, but the PAC isn't going to take the bottom feeders, just so that the PAC can take a semi top team like UNLV.

I'm glad that didn't reduce MWC to below 8. That suggest that probably going to go after Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Liberty(12-0(MAAC or Sun Belt), North Texas(Sun Belt or MAAC), Texas St(Sun Belt or MAAC), NDSU, as list of possible last 2 to join PAC.

MWC will probably try to get Memphis, Tulane, Liberty, James Madison, NDSU, South Dakotah St, Sac St, EWU, 1,2 from each of MAAC, Sun Belt, AAC, WAC, Big West, FCS, etc.

I do not think MWC will merge with AAC, and don't think the AAC would merge with MWC.

MWC might merge with either Sun Belt, MAAC, WAC, Big West.

If the AAC, Sun Belt, MAAC, WAC, Big West is raided by either MWC, AAC, PAC, then they would raid, MWC, AAC, Sun Belt, MAAC, WAC, Big West, FCS, etc.

NDSU, South Dakotah, Sac St, EWU, Montana, Idaho, are probably candidates to get called up from FCS, go to WAC, Big West, Sun Belt, MAAC, etc.

That's how I see G5 realignment, expansion, etc, shaking out.
 
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I guess now we know why the scheduling agreement with the MW went sideways.
Wilner’s article doesn’t mention P-5 status will be retained in this new arrangement.

Is P-5 status assured? Any rumors as to what Media rights deal might look like?
Well, considering the pundits are already throwing around "P4" as a term, I'm guessing that die is cast and no matter what the P2 does they won't get their "P" status back. And honestly, until the revenue of the included programs reaches a level commensurate of a "power" moniker they shouldn't get that status back.
 
Absolutely zero chance that we will get P5 status restored (recall that it was stripped earlier this year). Two schools downgraded to G5 (basically) add 4 and soon to be 6 G5 schools, so that elevates them to P5 stature? Hey I'd love to be wrong and eat crow on this.

That said, I'm very much in shock (not good or bad, just shock) over this development. I guess Teresa keeps her job.

If PAC takes specifically the best of the best borderline, hybrid G5, P5 colleges, like specifically BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, Tulane, that would be good enough to make the PAC 8 a HYBRID G5, P5 ish conference, and that specific type, kind of conference could get the weakest P5 status back by 2028, the date that the CFP evaluates, downgrades, upgrades conferences P5, G5 status, and what they eligible for, from CFP.

BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, Tulane, are good enough, worthy enough, have enough value, etc, NOW to be worthy of joining a P4, P5 conference, like a Big 12, ACC, A HYBRID G5, P5, PAC 8 of BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, WSU, OSU, CSU.

Also Ross Dellinger of Yahoo Sports, a expert of MANY YEARS both disagree with you, and been told differently then what you think Loyal, by insider sources in the know who have told Dellinger different then what you think Loyal.
 
I agree, and I have mentioned this before, College football as we know it will end up with 30,40,60 super teams, whatever the number, WSU won't be part of it. Start another division, scholarship limits, No NIL or with NIL caps, limit the number of transfers, and comp for players that transfer, you can go on and on. You could come up with a league that will be closer to what college football has been, than the one it is about to become with the Super League. I think there would be a lot of fan interest in a league that more resembles college football's past, than what the future is about to bring us, and with fan interest there is still TV money. And these team will still be very competitive and have players go to the NFL. As Saban said, you can spend 20 million on NIL money, but if you have the wrong players you are SOL. And this is what will happen to many teams in the Super League.

It's still too early to start this as there are still about 30 teams that think they are part of the super league, that won't be. Once they recognize that, is the time to come up the new league.
This isn't speculation - the B1G and SEC have openly talked about doing this within the next 5 years; its going to happen. All of the lower tier P4 schools are going to be left with their d!ck in their hands waiting for the scraps to fall from the adult table of their former conference members.

The bottom halves of the B1G, SEC and the majority of the ACC and B12 should be making plans to do their own thing. Take a long hard look in the mirror and realize that you aren't going to be invited to the adult table and move forward. Align with all the other rejects to not take bodybag games from the NFL lite and do your completely own thing.
 
If PAC takes specifically the best of the best borderline, hybrid G5, P5 colleges, like specifically BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, Tulane, that would be good enough to make the PAC 8 a HYBRID G5, P5 ish conference, and that specific type, kind of conference could get the weakest P5 status back by 2028, the date that the CFP evaluates, downgrades, upgrades conferences P5, G5 status, and what they eligible for, from CFP.

BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, Tulane, are good enough, worthy enough, have enough value, etc, NOW to be worthy of joining a P4, P5 conference, like a Big 12, ACC, A HYBRID G5, P5, PAC 8 of BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, WSU, OSU, CSU.

Also Ross Dellinger of Yahoo Sports, a expert of MANY YEARS both disagree with you, and been told differently then what you think Loyal, by insider sources in the know who have told Dellinger different then what you think Loyal.
How interesting. Ross says nothing of the sort (The Pac regaining P5 status) in his interview today (link below). Or in today's Yahoo Sports Dellinger article (link below). What he did say was this, which is not the same thing as regaining P5 status:

"Something to also keep in mind with all this: The Pac-12 lost its designation as an autonomous/power conference, a moniker that gave it more voting privileges within NCAA governance and more revenue in the CFP distribution model.

While unlikely to earn back the status, there is a “look-in” provision in the CFP contract after the 2027 playoff that can be triggered to re-evaluate revenue distribution. The Pac-12, if stable enough with enough brands, could make an argument for more CFP money."




Oh and you refer to this "hybrid" P5/G5 conference a lot. There is no such thing.
 
You've made about 100 predictions, and jumped on every rumor, you can't pick one and say look I was right.

Actually I have consistently predicted, projected, extrapolated, gone by what Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, have reported, extrapolated, etc.

And that is:

1. PAC 8 poach BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, and 2 of either Memphis, Tulane, UTSA. This is pretty dam close to what PAC is doing now.

2. Reverse Merge the top 9 MWC, by having the TOP 9 dissolve MWC, then join PAC, leave bottom 3 behind.

3. The PAC join the ACC, when, if it falls apart.

I have not been throwing up 10 to 25 to 50 to 100 to 1000 things up, and see what sticks.

Others might have done that, but not me.

I kept telling Loyal, etc, that Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, that WSU would probably either poach the top 4,5 MWC teams, an or take top 9 MWC programs, or join ACC(and PAC 8 might semi probably still join the ACC, when, if ACC falls apart.)

So yes, I was pretty bloody damn accurate, because I followed Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Ross Dellinger, etc.

And Loyal, others still have crow to eat.
 
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Actually I have consistently predicted, projected, extrapolated, gone by what Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, have reported, extrapolated, etc.

And that is:

1. PAC 8 poach BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, and 2 of either Memphis, Tulane, UTSA. This is pretty dam close to what PAC is doing now.

2. Reverse Merge the top 9 MWC, by having the TOP 9 dissolve MWC, then join PAC, leave bottom 3 behind.

3. The PAC join the ACC, when, if it falls apart.

I have not been throwing up 10 to 25 to 50 to 100 to 1000 things up, and see what sticks.

Others might have done that, but not me.

I kept telling Loyal, etc, that Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, that WSU would probably either poach the top 4,5 MWC teams, an or take top 9 MWC programs, or join ACC(and PAC 8 might semi probably still join the ACC, when, if ACC falls apart.)

So yes, I was pretty bloody damn accurate, because I followed Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Ross Dellinger, etc.

And Loyal, others still have crow to eat.
Oh Mik. Pretty sure your list of predictions has been longer than that. But whatever. Your list above only omits joining the Big-12. So one of the possible options materialized. Congratulations! And I will go further to say that now your dream schools Tulane and Memphis are now being mentioned. Now if that actually happens, I will eat crow and starlings because they were never mentioned previously by anyone but you.

BTW, I have consistently said the Pac-8 poaching scenario was stupid. I still think it is, semi, sort of, kind of, probably, maybe stupid. I never said it wouldn't happen.

But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, sure I'll eat crow. Will need a ton of Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce to get it down. But it will have to be tomorrow. I just lured in the neighbor's cat and so I have tonight's dinner all lined up.
 
Rumor is UNLV was offered but declined because they want Nevada-Reno to come and were told no.

I saw that article CSB ... Got the sense it was more "State Politics" that kept UNLV from jumping to the Pac and not UNLV's administration wanting a package deal with UNR
 
This isn't speculation - the B1G and SEC have openly talked about doing this within the next 5 years; its going to happen. All of the lower tier P4 schools are going to be left with their d!ck in their hands waiting for the scraps to fall from the adult table of their former conference members.

The bottom halves of the B1G, SEC and the majority of the ACC and B12 should be making plans to do their own thing. Take a long hard look in the mirror and realize that you aren't going to be invited to the adult table and move forward. Align with all the other rejects to not take bodybag games from the NFL lite and do your completely own thing.
Tricky thing to pull off in any concrete way, especially with open records laws and that kind of thing, years in advance. The bottom feeders in the B1G and SEC, especially, aren't doing anything to jeopardize their current status before it all actually blows up, and most teams in the B1G and ACC won't be included no matter what they do, subject to uncertainty over the size of the super league. That said, I agree they should at least be thinking about contingency plans and understanding their place. At this point, I hope they move to establish the super league sooner rather than later if it's inevitable. The sooner the chaos, the better-positioned WSU is likely to be.
 
With regards to the CSU versus UNLV question...
I'm not sure if anyone cares anymore, but from the standpoint of "culture", CSU is the closest match to WSU and OSU. Its a landgrant with a vet school and eyes on starting a med school. It is a true college town in a stunning setting with very new facilities. They are in a down cycle for football but strong in other sports and a very desirable location and a footprint in the exploding Denver/Colorado TV market. Obviously UNLV has a somewhat larger national brand, but that is largely based on basketball teams 30 or 40 years ago. I'm actually surprised we aren't hearing more mention of Wyoming. They are CSU actual rival and are loaded with money. They would probably be a better addition than New Mexico which is dirt poor.
 
With regards to the CSU versus UNLV question...
I'm not sure if anyone cares anymore, but from the standpoint of "culture", CSU is the closest match to WSU and OSU. Its a landgrant with a vet school and eyes on starting a med school. It is a true college town in a stunning setting with very new facilities. They are in a down cycle for football but strong in other sports and a very desirable location and a footprint in the exploding Denver/Colorado TV market. Obviously UNLV has a somewhat larger national brand, but that is largely based on basketball teams 30 or 40 years ago. I'm actually surprised we aren't hearing more mention of Wyoming. They are CSU actual rival and are loaded with money. They would probably be a better addition than New Mexico which is dirt poor.
Nice post. I agree that CSU is much like WSU. Don't forget that they are R1. Or that (bet 90% of this board's patrons, and 0% of the knuckle draggers (aka fine people) know this) CSU is considered to be one of WSU's peer universities - by WSU, see link below.

I didn't realize that Fort Collins was so big (161K) Damn near as big as Pullman - er Whiman County - er plus the Quad Cities....uh never mind. Student body bigger than WSU's. Stadium similar to WSU's, except that CSU has a beer deck right?

I enjoyed it tremendously last year when I went to the game down there. OH wait - shit I spewed out the story of my ill-fated trip almost a year ago. Never mind. Reflections from anyone who actually attended would be cool.


P.S. I was born in Colorado.
 
Nice post. I agree that CSU is much like WSU. Don't forget that they are R1. Or that (bet 90% of this board's patrons, and 0% of the knuckle draggers (aka fine people) know this) CSU is considered to be one of WSU's peer universities - by WSU, see link below.

I didn't realize that Fort Collins was so big (161K) Damn near as big as Pullman - er Whiman County - er plus the Quad Cities....uh never mind. Student body bigger than WSU's. Stadium similar to WSU's, except that CSU has a beer deck right?

I enjoyed it tremendously last year when I went to the game down there. OH wait - shit I spewed out the story of my ill-fated trip almost a year ago. Never mind. Reflections from anyone who actually attended would be cool.


P.S. I was born in Colorado.
What loyal is trying to say is F CSU, he wants Montana tech in the P12 because Butte is as far as he can make it before he gets hammered and has his wallet swiped by a couple of truck stop ladies of the night.
 
With regards to the CSU versus UNLV question...
I'm not sure if anyone cares anymore, but from the standpoint of "culture", CSU is the closest match to WSU and OSU. Its a landgrant with a vet school and eyes on starting a med school. It is a true college town in a stunning setting with very new facilities. They are in a down cycle for football but strong in other sports and a very desirable location and a footprint in the exploding Denver/Colorado TV market. Obviously UNLV has a somewhat larger national brand, but that is largely based on basketball teams 30 or 40 years ago. I'm actually surprised we aren't hearing more mention of Wyoming. They are CSU actual rival and are loaded with money. They would probably be a better addition than New Mexico which is dirt poor.
I agree on CSU. Attended last years game there. 1st class new stadium. Great setting. Lots of up side potential with them and about an hour from Denver.
 
Actually I have consistently predicted, projected, extrapolated, gone by what Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, have reported, extrapolated, etc.

And that is:

1. PAC 8 poach BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, and 2 of either Memphis, Tulane, UTSA. This is pretty dam close to what PAC is doing now.

2. Reverse Merge the top 9 MWC, by having the TOP 9 dissolve MWC, then join PAC, leave bottom 3 behind.

3. The PAC join the ACC, when, if it falls apart.

I have not been throwing up 10 to 25 to 50 to 100 to 1000 things up, and see what sticks.

Others might have done that, but not me.

I kept telling Loyal, etc, that Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, that WSU would probably either poach the top 4,5 MWC teams, an or take top 9 MWC programs, or join ACC(and PAC 8 might semi probably still join the ACC, when, if ACC falls apart.)

So yes, I was pretty bloody damn accurate, because I followed Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Ross Dellinger, etc.

And Loyal, others still have crow to eat.
Accurate? You've thrown out so much drivel that the shear volume of nonsense prohibits it from being listed
 
Furd &Cal will never return due to $. They will not take a lot less to return. never. Plus the academic things, they won’t lower themselves to be in a conference with Fresno St. & Boise, cO State.
 
Nice post. I agree that CSU is much like WSU. Don't forget that they are R1. Or that (bet 90% of this board's patrons, and 0% of the knuckle draggers (aka fine people) know this) CSU is considered to be one of WSU's peer universities - by WSU, see link below.

I didn't realize that Fort Collins was so big (161K) Damn near as big as Pullman - er Whiman County - er plus the Quad Cities....uh never mind. Student body bigger than WSU's. Stadium similar to WSU's, except that CSU has a beer deck right?

I enjoyed it tremendously last year when I went to the game down there. OH wait - shit I spewed out the story of my ill-fated trip almost a year ago. Never mind. Reflections from anyone who actually attended would be cool.


P.S. I was born in Colorado.
CSU had a very nice stadium, just a few years old. There were nice fans around us, and the quality of the scenery (read: hot chicks) was excellent. A return trip there will be welcomed by my travelling Cougar posse.
 
CSU had a very nice stadium, just a few years old. There were nice fans around us, and the quality of the scenery (read: hot chicks) was excellent. A return trip there will be welcomed by my travelling Cougar posse.

My daughter lives in Golden, CO so we got to double dip and visit her when we went to the CSU game. Their stadium is what I wish Martin Stadium was.
 
Actually I have consistently predicted, projected, extrapolated, gone by what Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, have reported, extrapolated, etc.

And that is:

1. PAC 8 poach BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, and 2 of either Memphis, Tulane, UTSA. This is pretty dam close to what PAC is doing now.

2. Reverse Merge the top 9 MWC, by having the TOP 9 dissolve MWC, then join PAC, leave bottom 3 behind.

3. The PAC join the ACC, when, if it falls apart.

I have not been throwing up 10 to 25 to 50 to 100 to 1000 things up, and see what sticks.

Others might have done that, but not me.

I kept telling Loyal, etc, that Canzano, Wilner, Ross Dellinger, Jim Williams, etc, that WSU would probably either poach the top 4,5 MWC teams, an or take top 9 MWC programs, or join ACC(and PAC 8 might semi probably still join the ACC, when, if ACC falls apart.)

So yes, I was pretty bloody damn accurate, because I followed Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Ross Dellinger, etc.

And Loyal, others still have crow to eat.
That's almost funny. Every post you make throws out 10 to 25 to 50 to 100 to 1000 things.
 
Furd &Cal will never return due to $. They will not take a lot less to return. never. Plus the academic things, they won’t lower themselves to be in a conference with Fresno St. & Boise, cO State.
They are not getting any money.
 
They are not getting any money.
If the ACC implodes Stanford would go independent before they’d go to the PAC but Cal can’t afford to do that and may be a possibility. If that was the case the B12 would probably be intersted in them to get a foothold in Cali as well.
 
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