I wonder if Tommy Tuberville's comments will have black players
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That's good! Touché!
I think my point, though, was starting threads that are political in nature, not the flow of conversation.
And since the topic has to have a connection to WSU for you...here it is...Blusterville coached for a Coug legend in Dennis Erickson.
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Oh, that's the connection! I thought it was WSU played Auburn in 2003 when TT was coach. Since yours is earlier than mine, I'll concede the point. Well done!
Personally I think your opinion is f ed up. IT is you who took it as political. At my age I don't need to be "coy". Now I will admit I knew people would take it as "political" (and I have proof saying as much that people would take it as such) rather than some asshole coach who used black athletes to accomplish a financial goal while thinking the whole time they are thief's trying to get in white peoples pockets.
You see the outrage should be at Tuberville not the fact I posted the thread on a Coug board....or at least that is what I was taught growing up in the Catholic church.....
Pretty much this. But it’s not just the miscreants in Nevada - the traveling MAGA rallies attract the worst of the worst everywhere.
Oh yeah sure: I’m just being an ass for the sake of being an ass. 😉
Sort of like coaching. You are either not coaching it or you are allowing it to happen. Clearly I don't believe every republican is a racist, but they allow it to happen. Has one republican said boo about what Blusterville said? Not one. And who votes in those people?
The party doesn't change until those non republican bigots makes their representatives change. Until then they are allowing it to happen.
Oh please. The first post to engage the content directly was WTP's mention of MAGA. Then sponge and others went back and forth. You posted a link to a political speech by a former football coach. How could it be anything otherwise?
It took two pages for you to admit that you knew some would take it politically. Prior to this point, you were being coy.
Thank you for admitting it was political. It was 100% political and you knew some people would take it that way. For what other reason did you post this? Certainly not relevant to WSU.
You are quite the martyr.
Trump did NOT call Neo NAZI'S, KKK, "FINE PEOPLE"
What happened is that the ALT ULTRA CONSERVATIVE RIGHT NATIONALIST(A minority, couple, few, some, are racist, white supremacists, neo NAZI'S, KKK(CLOSET), (some, most are decent, nice, ok, generous, compassionate, Christ Like Christians, from the RURAL HEARTLAND FARMLAND of America, THAT GROWS, PROVIDES THE FOOD YOU BUY, EAT), was LEGALLY PROTESTING.
That caused ANTIFA, a HATE, TERRORIST group, and Black Lives Matter to MAKE ASSES OUT OF THEMSELVES, by WRONGLY ASSUMING that the ALT right FARMERS, etc, were ALL racist, (some were racist, but most were not racist, and they were protesting the STUPID, MORONIC CANCEL CULTURE of TEARING DOWN ALL HISTORIC STATUES(Like stupidly advocating tearing down statue of George Washington, ETC).
So ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter STUPIDLY showed up to counter protest, with RIOTS, VIOLENCE.
Then RACIST white supremacists, Neo NAZI'S, etc, showed up to RACISTLY counter protest ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, trying to PROVOKE THEM.
Then ANTIFA, BLACK LIVES MATTER responded VIOLENTLY.
Then the non racist semi majority of Alt Right either ran away, DEFENDED themselves, while the Neo NAZI'S and ANTIFA, BLM fought.
Afterwards Trump said that the ALT RIGHT FARMERS that were protesting the tearing down of statues, etc, were "FINE PEOPLE".
Then the LIBTARD IDIOT MEDIA SPUN that into Trump SUPPOSEDLY SAYING that the Neo NAZI'S were supposedly fine people.
What Trump was guilty of was being a dumbass by what he said, because what he said was EASILY MISUNDERSTABLE, SPINNABLE, MISREPRESENTABLE, and because he didn't explain it like I just did above. He was better off just not making that comment, an or making it clearer that those who were protesting the tearing down of statues were FINE PEOPLE.
You and others of your ILK really need to learn, follow this stuff better, and STFU until you do.
Suudy, again why do you think you have the right to tell me what I thought? I mean that is seriously f ed up.
I said what I posted wasn't political. There is nothing coy about it. And I won't stop posting stuff like this because for some reason you think it is political. If it was political I would have zero reason not owning it. (the beauty of getting old) Ever see me type about Marjorie Traitor Greene, or what Matt Wants (young 17 year olds) Matt Goetz?
I can't control how people would respond. I just know how you responded. I would hope they would respond..."hey ED, slightly off topic, try to stay on topic, but that sure is F'ed up what Blusterville said. "
So have I ever posted other speeches that were racist in nature? Nope. It was posted because he was a football coach. Biggs and I texted yesterday about this, and asked if other schools will use this against schools in Alabama, Georgia and Miss.
I mentioned MAGA cause that was the rally. They call it a MAGA rally. So you wouldn't think it was political if I said Tuberville at a Nevada rally mentioned black people steal because they think they are owed the money? If that is the case I would be more than happy to amend my original post.
I have been called many things, but a matyr is not one of them.
So you think we should have monuments to honor the people like Robert E Lee that tried to destroy our nation and wanted to continue enslaving black people?
Finally something your right about.
Trump is destroying the Republican Party.
Biden and Trump BOTH ARE BAD, and neither of them should be president.
Ben Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Ron Santis, Liz Cheney would all destroy Biden, in a Landslide.
But Trump would 50/50 win/lose vs Biden, and Biden is HOPING Trump is the Republican presidential candidate.
For about the last 100 years if a president runs for Reelection, and loses, like Trump did, they are DONE, they don't run or not allowed to Run again, after losing their reelection bid.
Trump is not, should not be above how it's done, the rules, etc.
Trump lost his reelection bid, so he should be done, and he should sit down, shut up, and Ben Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Ron Santis, should be Republican Nomination, instead of Trump, just like how it has been done for the last 100+ years.
But oh no Trump's ego is more important then making sure that Biden loses, by having a more qualified Republican candidate win the Nomination.
Trump is a going to destroy, split, divide the Republican Party and allow the LIBTARD EXTREME FAR LEFT SOCIALIST VENEZUALA LIKE DEMOTARDS to win every presidential election, and DESTROY THE USA and make the USA exactly like VENEZUALA, all because of TRUMP.
Biden sucks but to lump him in with the worst president ever is hyperbolic considering Trump tried to overthrow the government.
You really believe that Democratic Party socialist fear mongering crap? Good lord. The Dems in general suck in many ways but the handful of Ocasio-Cortez types have little true power other than peddling their nonsense on twitter and stoking the rightwing lunatic backlash.
Ed, I’m not sure what you are getting at here, to me the kicker was Manafort. He’s a Trump stooge and everyone knows it…R & L.
You didn’t have to bring up a political affiliation, you mentioned him which had zero to do with Racist Tubb and recruiting black athletes. You could have left it at Tubb, but you basically said…let’s have another political throw down! And Suudy took the bait!
Robert E Lee either freed, liberated, sold the slaves he had, or didn't have slaves.
He was a Honorable, fair, just, etc, TRUE CHRISTIAN man that FOUGHT, WAS THE GENERAL ON THE WRONG SIDE of the Civil War.
He was extremely close to have decided to fight for the Union. That's why Lincoln asked him to be the head general over all union forces.
General Lee said that the reason why he couldn't, wouldn't is because:
1. Both sides, Lincoln, everyone was to blame, escalated, started the Civil War.
2. The Union should have left fort Sumter, since it was on confederate land, and since South Carolina, etc, had lawfully seceded.
3. The south should not have fired on Fort Sumter.
4. Lincoln should not have forced, demanded 75k man army to be raised and invade the south after the South fired on Fort Sumter.
Lee said that Lincoln invading the south was wrong, and that he could not be the general of a invading army, and that he could not fight against his home, Virginia.
Once the Civil War started, the Union, Lincoln was right in making the war about not only preserving the Union, but to free the Slaves. So that's why it was good that the Union won.
But even tho the Civil War was about Slavery, and stopping slavery, the war was also about STATES RIGHTS, and about several Confederate soldiers, generals that were fighting "FOR THEIR RIGHTS", and truly believed they were defending their homes, families, states, rights, freedoms, and THAT WERE NOT FIGHTING FOR SLAVERY, AND DID NOT HAVE SLAVES.
Now some confederates were fighting for Slavery, and did have slaves, but some weren't fighting for Slavery, and did not have slaves, or freed their slaves, repented, etc.
Generals like Lee and Jackson, were extremely honorable, etc. They are worthy of statues, not to celebrate slavery, but to recognize their HONORABLE HISTORIC, ETC, well known status.
And even if their statues were either wrongly made into symbols of black oppression, or wrongly misperceived as symbols of slavery, black oppression, there is still value in the HISTORICAL value of their statues.
Just can't or shouldn't TRY TO TEAR DOWN, DESTROY History, just because historical people were either bad, wrong, evil, made bad decisions, were on wrong side, were wrongly made into supposed symbols, because you don't like, disagree with, etc.
The statues have been up for about 200+ years and have historical value, and have some sort of place, even if only in a museum.
Those who tear down history are destined to forget, repeat historical mistakes.
And maybe there are some statues that should be, can be tore down, removed to a museum, etc.
But it's getting out of hand, and the Cancel, tear down culture is getting way out of control in their wanting to tear down almost everything, except the stupid statue of THUG Mike Brown.
And even if people are protesting the tearing down of statues wrongfully, showing up to RIOT, COUNTER PROTEST, PROVOKE, ESCALATE, VIOLENTLY START, FIGHT, INJURE, ETC, like ANTIFA, BLM did over it, in response to it, WAS WRONG.
that is not the right way to deal with it.
The right way is how Spokane, Could a lene did it.
For years they showed, peacefully protested the White Supremacists, Neo NAZI Parade, to the point where it SHUT THEM UP, because got negative attention, and then they got MARGINALIZED to the point where they DWINDLED down in numbers to where they are practically non existent, and the parade has no longer been going for years.
That's how you rightly deal with stuff.
Also before the cancel culture started trying to tear down statues, etc, the statues, etc, wasn't a big deal.
There was a Poll of black people, and almost all of them didn't care about the statues, Confederate flag, the General Lee Dukes of Hazzard Car, etc, and didn't start to care until the VOCAL LIBTARD WHITE GUILTER SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR MINORITY(White people, not black people), started to do the Cancel Culture destruction of statues, etc.
Ok … here is the deal… as you respond to this post … do not Google but respond to this post in real time .
Name one white collar criminal of the last five years that would be recognized by the majority of people. Paul Manafort name wasn’t raised because he is a Republican (cause if it was political I would have said “pardoned” Paul Manafort ) but because he is know to have embezzled 15 million and he is a white collar criminal . And that was the point about the post is Manafort didn’t steal money because he felt it was owed to him which was the reason tubber said black people steal .
Off the top of my head I don’t know a recognizable name of anyone convicted of a white collar crime that is a household name .
Actually FOX and Hannity, etc, are pissing me off for STILL backing Trump.
Bannon? I’m still not getting your googling reference. I’m not googling anything. Just being real with you about your post. Tub is a fair topic for a football board. Reference to Manafort was intended to to trigger people you want to argue with about politics.
If you’d stuck to Tub and Suudy or anyone else started firing back that would be on them.
Could have mentioned I think it was Goldman Sach's past corporate representative.
The reason why you, me, everyone else can't think of a more known neutral name, is not because they supposedly didn't exist.
The Media ignores the LOTS of neutral, or democrat ones, and only calls attention to the Republican ones, or only BRIEFLY reports the Democrat ones.
There is also HUNTER BIDEN.
But using HUNTER BIDEN would be just as political as using Manafort.
Also Obama, just as dumbly had bad people like Manafort around him, them, just like Trump dumbly had Manafort and lots of others. It's just that Obama, etc, bad people were bad, incompetent in different ways then Manafort, Trump's people, etc.
You just used Manafort because you were either too lazy to look up a more non political figure
or you didn't Google up a non political figure because you wanted to be political.
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Really Wish FOX, Hannity, etc, would back Ben Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Ron De Santis, Liz Cheney, Joe Manchin, Tulsi Gabbard, etc, over Trump and Biden.
Well, I haven't heard anyone in the democratic party say boo about when Biden said if you don't vote for him, you aren't black...or when he wanted to lock people up in jail for years for possessing a small of crack.
Also I wonder if anyone will say boo about the racist things the president of the LA City Council has said...or if the main stream will even cover it.
Pieces of shit in both parties.
But I get it...the implication that people who voted for Trump instead of Biden or Hilary are morally inferior is understood.
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Mainstream civilian law and order is one of the most important hot buttons in America. Without question Tommy Tubs comment was (deliberately) racially driven for the crowd he was speaking to, but his point resonates with everyone who's not confident that democratic leadership wants or cares to change the unregulated criminal activity in metropolitan areas.
I live in a Seattle suburb, as I have for several decades now, it's unbelievable how far the city has fallen. Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and LA have gone from some of the most beautiful cities to the filthiest, most undesirable destinations in America in the span of like 15 years.
Tommy Tub and 95% of politicians today only care about riling up their constituents. They're willing to be racist, to open the borders to millions of undocumented immigrants, to suggest reparations, to incite insurrections on Capital Hill and in cities across the Nation (2020). They'll pretend they don't notice when 6 blocks of a city get taken over, they'll proclaim to be pro-life until their mistresses get pregnant. They'll talk socialism and do their best to hide the fact that they own multiple residences and have net-worth's over $10M. They'll talk green energy, ask you to turn your AC down while they keep theirs cranked up. They'll resist common sense gun safety regulations such as background checks. One side will deny climate change and the other side will deny that there are only 2 genders.
Nothing surprises me anymore with politics. The only way it will ever change is if we have candidates who start calling out the BS within their own parties. The people holding political influence in America are the least qualified, most corrupt personality types than at any point in our history.
I live in a Seattle suburb, as I have for several decades now, it's unbelievable how far the city has fallen. Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and LA have gone from some of the most beautiful cities to the filthiest, most undesirable destinations in America in the span of like 15 years.
Tommy Tub and 95% of politicians today only care about riling up their constituents. They're willing to be racist, to open the borders to millions of undocumented immigrants, to suggest reparations, to incite insurrections on Capital Hill and in cities across the Nation (2020). They'll pretend they don't notice when 6 blocks of a city get taken over, they'll proclaim to be pro-life until their mistresses get pregnant. They'll talk socialism and do their best to hide the fact that they own multiple residences and have net-worth's over $10M. They'll talk green energy, ask you to turn your AC down while they keep theirs cranked up. They'll resist common sense gun safety regulations such as background checks. One side will deny climate change and the other side will deny that there are only 2 genders.
Nothing surprises me anymore with politics. The only way it will ever change is if we have candidates who start calling out the BS within their own parties. The people holding political influence in America are the least qualified, most corrupt personality types than at any point in our history.
The point of what? Only black people commit crimes? How the f does that resonate with anyone?
If Hunter Biden had been convicted of embezzlement I would have been more than happy to use him. At this point he is being investigated.
Good grief ...no wonder my friend and your acquaintance charged you $20 dollars for two brews at a tailgate in the RV parking lot when I and my brother drank for free...it is called a nuisance fee
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That was 20 years ago. With inflation and my much improved demeanor, it would be $50 now.Good grief ...no wonder my friend and your acquaintance charged you $20 dollars for two brews at a tailgate in the RV parking lot when I and my brother drank for free...it is called a nuisance fee
Too bad he’s not there to collect anymore.
Well, "they" sure as Hell commit a huge percentage of the violent crime; particularly in urban areas. Apparently the numbers aren't resonating with people, because they keep getting worse. The percentage of total violent offenders who are black (or who are mixed but identify as black) is over 40% now. With respect to homicide, the number is over 55%. I'm not trying to talk down to you when I ask this, but do you understand the significance of that number? 14% of a demographic is responsible for over 40% of the violent crime and 55% of homicides. For comparison, Asians are responsible for 1% of violent crimes and .7% of homicides.
We can't and shouldn't make the issue all about skin color, but my God, we have to at least be able to TALK about skin color when the issue of violent crime is brought up. Do you think that our Asian, Hispanic, Native, and other non-white communities aren't seeing what we pretend not to see?
Look, I think Tubs is a totally good ole boy douche, but if we're talking about urban violent crime, it's impossible to have the discussion without mentioning the African American crime rate.
Our society has no problem tossing around terms like white privilege, male privilege, toxic masculinity, etc. We have written policies in place that state that Asians who apply for certain colleges (including the Ivy league) must achieve standardized test scores that are higher than what is required for black & Caucasian students. Given that we're OK talking race and gender in those situations, we need to be OK acknowledging that the black violent crime rate (and Fatherlessness rate) are disproportionately out of whack. I mean, it's not just "a little" off. We've talked about this before on here, but if you've grown up in or around urban areas like I have, you don't dance around the issue. The black crime rate in America is absolutely bonkers, and we need to figure it out.
For me personally, I don't care about skin color. I'm for hard-line policing and harsh prison sentences for violent criminals of any and every race who commit the crime. I'd like to see us get back to law and order. I'm totally in favor of sweeping tax increases to build more rehab facilities, detention centers & prisons so we can completely overhaul the way we govern against crime. You've heard the saying f@(K around and find out.
Good grief ...no wonder my friend and your acquaintance charged you $20 dollars for two brews at a tailgate in the RV parking lot when I and my brother drank for free...it is called a nuisance fee
Haaaa!!! 😂🍺
Also, I would have every urban person one over 18 apply to the NRA, and in doing so they will have a leg up when it comes to register to vote. A two for one deal. Best way to suppress crime is to make sure you have adequate protection.
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I believe you made my point without knowing it. Is Steve Bannon the one name most people would recognize when talking about embezzlement?
So let me go into the thought process behind my post after texting Biggs about Flubberville.
One, it is a football story, a national football story because he was a very high profile football coach who I believe was coach of the year in 03. Second, his comment breaks down to the following...black people steal because they feel the money is owed to them.
It is also relevant because I would be willing to bet schools outside the area of the south will use this against the coaches in the south. That was my discussion with Biggs.
So I have two huge disagreements with Tubber. One, only black (they) people steal because rthey want what white people screwed them out of, reparations. I think black people steal cause for a good portion they need money for many different things, including drugs. Do you disagree? I don't ever once think someone of color says...whitey has that f in Prius and I deserve it so I am going to steal it.
So the two troubling things I have with Tubber is people who helped him make many millions he really things are all criminals. Then my second issue I have is why people steal.
I used white collar crime as an example of why they steal money. Do I believe white collar criminals steal because they want reparations of some sort? No, they steal people money cause they want more money, or got themselves in trouble and need to embezzle money to cure their woes.
I didn't use manforts name because he was attached to trump for a short period of time, but without googling a name to reference as a white collar criminal he is the name , and Bannon who you pointed to that have recognizable names.
Wasn't being coy, I wrote what I wrote because I think what Tubbervile said is horrible and he is an ex football coach. I have not written about what others have said that have had similar thoughts.
When I wrote it, did I feel some people would take it as political? Yep. But that isn't on me. It would seem easy to say "Tuberville is out of line, or it is a shame he has those believes after the efforts many 18 to 22 kids helped him make a name.
Calling Tuberville's bullshit doesn't seem that hard.
And if you would like me to take Manaforts name out of my original post and put in Bannon's or some other white collar criminal I would be more than happy.
That is why i asked to type a response without googling a whote collar criminal because I didn't google another white collar criminal but rather came up with a name most would recognize.
Trust me it would be criminal if I had to wear short shorts and something at the mid drift .
Oh the added on fees it is much higher than $50. 1) Ed’s free drink policy . $10
2) nuisance fee $30
3) Dunp fee to remove your bs $35
4) 10% Fee to the church of Ed .
That is an expensive trip up to the rv lot 😜
But would receive you with open arms and open deposit bag
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Bullshit, use Bernie Madoff then. Bannon wouldn’t have been any different if you brought him up with your point about Tub. They are both trump stooges. Why can’t you just admit you were fishing? It’s so frickin obvious to everyone here.
Ah...that is who I should have used. 90.... I am f in 61, I don't need to fish. I don't fish and any bait I had went bad years an years ago. If I have something to say I will say it. I have zero problem posting something that is political and saying it is political. Just not the case on this thread.
Trust me I wish madoff had come to mind. He is a much better example of what I was attempting to communicate. He bilked people for 100's of millions...
Like I said...I knew people would take it as political cause that is our world now. Not my problem. It seems easy to me to say Tuberville is a vile prick.
Just as it is easy for me to say "good bye to the LA council person for her disturbing comments. She is gone and should be gone.
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