If we have a losing season next year.
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Probably not in any meaningful way. And you have to remember we won 11 games last year (albeit with lightning in a mustachioed bottle). But it has me thinking about bowl games:
- Is the point of going to bowl games just to say you got an extra bowl game? Even if you look back in history and see L's all the way down the line? Even with you getting your ass handed to you 2 out of 3 times by a mix of Group of 5 / low-end P5 teams?
- How exclusive are bowl games now? I found an article suggesting 82 NCAA teams go bowling every year now. We are literally at the point where you don't even have to be above average to go bowling.
- Counting this season as a victory because we went bowling seems like... an incomplete philosophy. One must also come to grips with the fact that we lost more games than we won.
I think Leach is the greatest thing to happen to WSU....maybe ever. With that said, if we suffer back to back losing seasons, the lights will begin to dim IMO.
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Bowl games are pointless now win or lose. Nobody remembers anything about them 2 weeks after they're done.
You have to watch them to have a chance to remember them. This was the first bowl game I’ve watched so far. Temple vs...? Doesn’t get my blood pumping.
Probably not at all. Many will still think his few seasons with good records make him special even after the annual beatdowns by UW. They will tell you how much better he is than Price, the guy that that actually won the conference and went to the Rosebowl.
Right now this feels like a full circle with Leach. He took over a team with a losing record, and a few years later has it in the same place. A losing record. Looking at the recruiting over the last 3 years it is hard to be very excited about the future.
If he doesn’t get a rollover after next year that’ll be your answer. But it’s tricky with Leach. Wazzu is the 12th hardest job in the conference and one of the hardest in all of the P5. What coaches out that WSU has a realistic chance of hiring that will elevate the program further than where Leach has it?
Disagree about WSU being the 12th job in the league. UA is worse. Cal is worse. Utah and Colorado are worse. Oregon State is worse.
WSU doesn't pay crap wages any more. For $4,000,000 there is a HC out there that can stop the option and score more than 21 against a Mountain West team.
There was a time when I might have agreed with you. The TV $ has done more for WSU than a lot of other programs in the league.
WSU isn't gonna automatically pay 4 mill to the next coach they hire. I think they'll go back to hoping they strike gold with a budget hire.
Pretty much. Nobody has been more fun to watch than CML but he gets a LOT of undeserved shine vs his predecessors due to the new era in which literally the majority of teams are getting bowls. Used to be, you had to have 7 or 8 to get a nod. Now the Cheez-It half-zip pullover is mailed to your house if you have a pulse.
The fact that a team can go bowling AND finish with a losing record is exactly the kind of dogsh-- that has many people checking out on the whole idea of bowl season. It has gone from championship hardware to participation trophies.
Not til after 2021...unless we totally tank next year and go 2-10. Which is possible given the little quality we have returning in D, but even with a young, zero experience QB I think the offense has the horses to be better than that.
If WSU finds themselves hiring a new HC in the next 2-3 seasons, they’ll try to save some money by promoting from a G5 team (I don’t think they’ll go FCS) and pay in the $2M range instead of $4M.
I don't think they'll every go that high again. Leach was a perfect storm circumstance wise and that is THE only reason they spent the way they did and his name is the "ONLY" reason the school spent on facilities/stadium. Once he's gone, all that spending will freeze. My opinion of course.
Last year's Cheez It Bowl was legendary. Thankfully we didn't achieve the same sort of legend.
The schedule is pretty favorable next year. It's hard not to feel like we'll win at least 4 conference games next year given we managed to win 3 this year with the defensive unit we had.
No...best advice came from a Tech fan. Said to expect games like this.
Why not kick the two fg's and give your team a chance? I think he gets ultra frustrated when another team keeps his scores below 30. I think touchdowns almost define him. If you get two TD's that last drive is for the game.
So I take the poster from Tech's advice to heart. That when I am ready to strangle him he does something short of brilliant and I forget why I am pissed at him.
2018 far exceeded what I thought the team was capable of. The fact we lost a QB to a tragic death, Gardner comes in and does what he does, it inspired a very flawed team.
This year we were bound to come back to earth. The more and more i watched Gordon play, he is a stats QB. He turns the ball over at crucial times, he floats out of the pocket and instead of running and getting yardage he thinks he can make an amazing throw, He really is Connor Halliday.
And to be honest his DC's din't give that side of the ball a chance. If they beat us over the top...great. More power to them. As Bill Bellicheck would do, make them play left-handed. Take away what they do best.
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Not saying that the D will be better (although how could it be worse?), but the road games are all against pretty weak teams and we have 7 home games next year. The conference isn't exactly full of world beaters right now and we won 3 conference games this year even with all of the team's flaws. The situation doesn't feel hopeless.
No but he’s not earning any raises or legitimate looks from other programs. If sone school wants to throw a bunch of money at him, good luck to ya...this was easily his shittiest coaching job at wazzu and there isn’t really a close 2nd. This team has a long ways to go to be anything other than a 6-6 team again next year.
please tell me because I don't really keep up on this stuff.....will we get some bigger, stronger guys next season?.....do we have any recruit we can pin our hopes on?
Leach’s seat is paid for as is through 2024 or so. It isn’t hot after 2020. You have to pay extra for heated seats.
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Unfortunately I don't see the results much different unless significant D coaching changes are made. The front seven will still be small. The secondary may have some new faces but????. In the end, tackling, positioning, looking back for the ball, and toughness must improve significantly for a turnaround to occur. New coaching can make this happen. For the future, defense recruiting must receive better emphasis. Having 18 WRs and 19 O-linemen on the roster is a luxury, maybe at the expense of defensive players?
WSU has less financial support than any other school in the conference. It is at the Mountain West level. You inflate WSU in your mind. Leach is doing a fantastic job with the resources he has. You are very critical of a lot of the coaches in the conference. Their jobs are harder than you give them credit for. I wish I could give you one of their jobs for three years and see how you do. If it were easy everyone would be doing it.
That’s a fair point. Did the question come up because it’s also on Leach’s mind? Gotta think that it is, on some level.
To the OP, plain and simple, "nope".
To the secondary question on this thread about "What's the point of bowl games?" Well, if anything its a string of much needed, sanctioned practices and yet another game for the players to play against someone that is out of league. Those rep's are highly valuable. Everyone on this thread is looking at how horrible we'll be next year... well without those practice and game reps, we'd be worse off, no question.
Buncha Debbie Downers... sheesh.
To the secondary question on this thread about "What's the point of bowl games?" Well, if anything its a string of much needed, sanctioned practices and yet another game for the players to play against someone that is out of league. Those rep's are highly valuable. Everyone on this thread is looking at how horrible we'll be next year... well without those practice and game reps, we'd be worse off, no question.
Buncha Debbie Downers... sheesh.
Assuming each side of the ball gets 41 scholarships, I wouldnt be surprised to see that many kids at WR and OL. They represent 9 of the 11 spots on offense.
Now, if you give the offense 50 scholarships and ask the defense to make do with less.... thats a problem.
No TE and no FB, so those slots can go to OL and WR. And you must be counting walk-ons too. For 2019, I count 13 scholarship WRs 15 scholarship OLs.
For the 2018 class I thought we took too many WRs. But it's already worked itself out. Glad Jackson, Jr. was able to retain his redshirt.
For me, it's just a way to go out on a positive note. It's the last impression of the team your alumni have. Since we never win Apple Cups, every bowl loss means we're entering the offseason on a losing streak. The wins, at least, take a little sting out of losing the AC.
Leach has ended the year on a losing streak 5 years out of 8.
The AD has these NWCFs coming up in February, right? Would be nice to have a bowl win as the last thing people remember, even if it was just a Cheezit Bowl win over Air Force.
Putting trophies in the trophy case is worthwhile. More is always better than less.
