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Logically, since who is in the WH actually has very little affect on our day to day lives, I would say Rose Bowl. That said, like Biggs, I would suffer the Cougs being the Oregon State of the 2020s, for the health and wellbeing of the Cougs he identifies, and would add to that list the "man mountain" and the greatest OL WSU has produced since the leather helmet days, a standing and walking Mike Utley.

Also our most recent loss, John Rushing, you don't really appreciate how good he was, until the Cougs can't shut down the run, the pass, or run down anyone from behind. 48 is way too young to go.
This will sound like a cop out but I’m ok with how any election goes that doesn’t end up with either an all D or all R house, senate and president. I have my preference on who I’d like to see with 2/3 but my life will go on either way. Extreme Right and Extreme Left both scare the shyt out of me.
Go Cougs!
 
he’s going to surpass his vote. Mitch is loving live right now. Place a crap ton of judges under Trump, keep the senate for a few years. Gop actually had a good night.

Well the Senate, Supreme Court, House of Representatives, needed to STOP Biden, STOP the 100 Trillion Dollar Free Everything For Everyone New Green Deal, STOP Biden/Democrats from taking guns away, making guns illegal, STOP PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS(except when life of Mother at risk)

If Democrats/Biden controlled the Senate, House, Whitehouse, and Supreme Court was 5-4 Liberal, it would be a EVIL, BAD, DARK, BLEAK, SAD day in USA.

If nothing else Trump at least did good making the Supreme Court 6-3 conservative to stop BS from Biden, etc.

4, FOUR years of GRIDLOCK to STOP BIDEN, Democrats, and then maybe Republicans, or the Democrats can pick a good candidate for a change, that or maybe a viable 3rd party would spring up and pick a viable, electable, good candidate.
 
This will sound like a cop out but I’m ok with how any election goes that doesn’t end up with either an all D or all R house, senate and president. I have my preference on who I’d like to see with 2/3 but my life will go on either way. Extreme Right and Extreme Left both scare the shyt out of me.
Go Cougs!

True to a point, except that altho ok with a non extreme democrat, republican, a extreme democrat, republican, or non extreme democrat that tries to make guns illegal, that wants a 100 Trillion Dollar, Free Everything For Everyone New Green Deal, that SHOULD BE IN JAIL, like a Hillary, like a Biden, that wants to turn the USA into a COMMUNIST Russia:

THAT IS NOT OK.

But Hey if the American SHEEPLE are going to be STUPID enough to vote for that, then it is what it is.

One of the principles of true Democracy, is the right of the people to be STUPID SHEEPLE, and vote STUPIDLY.

And I support that.

Which is why Trump trying to stop the counting of legal mail in Ballots from people and the militiary, is BS
 
The biggest reason Trump is losing is because of the NEVER TRUMP Republicans voting for Biden.

As I have told Democrats: The way to get Republicans to vote Democrat is:

1. Have a not as good republican candidate.

2. Pick a Joe Lieberman type of Democrat Candidate.

If that happens, republicans could vote democrat under those type of circumtances.

What I dont get is how any TRUE conservative an or Republican could vote yes to the 100 TRILLION DOLLAR FREE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE NEW GREEN DEAL, AND FOR THEIR GUNS TO BE TAKEN AWAY, AND FOR PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS.

BUT Republicans, conservatives are voting yes to that, by voting yes to Biden, to SPITE Trump.

Meanwhile Biden is thinking:

Gotta love the Republican SUCKERS who voted for me.
 
Same boat. I am no Trump fan and not only have no issue with him leaving, but would prefer it, so long as we didn't have the Dems controlling both the House and Senate, allowing Biden to get his tax increases in. This assumes we don't get Dem control of both houses in 2022. The tax hit I would take under Biden's full wish list was truly absurd. I'm good with a divided government for most purposes.
Bro, you're soooooo ignorant. Only if you make over one meelion beelion gazeelion dollars will you ever see a single tax cent removed from your income.

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The biggest reason Trump is losing is because of the NEVER TRUMP Republicans voting for Biden.

As I have told Democrats: The way to get Republicans to vote Democrat is:

1. Have a not as good republican candidate.

2. Pick a Joe Lieberman type of Democrat Candidate.

If that happens, republicans could vote democrat under those type of circumtances.

What I dont get is how any TRUE conservative an or Republican could vote yes to the 100 TRILLION DOLLAR FREE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE NEW GREEN DEAL, AND FOR THEIR GUNS TO BE TAKEN AWAY, AND FOR PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS.

BUT Republicans, conservatives are voting yes to that, by voting yes to Biden, to SPITE Trump.

Meanwhile Biden is thinking:

Gotta love the Republican SUCKERS who voted for me.

The biggest reason Trump is losing is because of the massive amounts of voter fraud. Fixed if for ya lil feller. The truth will set you free.
 
Hold the line Patriots. We got this.

Trump's not winning, and won't win unless the court rules that there was supposedly some voting errors, recount errors, and because of that, rules, gives him a state or states like Nevada, etc, and that's probably not gona happen either
The biggest reason Trump is losing is because of the massive amounts of voter fraud. Fixed if for ya lil feller. The truth will set you free.

The Massive amounts of Voter Fraud thing is a MYTH in THIS Election.

Yes there are, is some Voter Fraud/Mistakes/Miscounts, etc.

These are typically ballots being wrongfully sent out to NON eligible voters, like illegal aliens, the Dead, animals, pets, etc.

Those typically happen in places like CA, states, that Trump would not win, no matter how many mistakes, miscounts, fraud, etc.

In Key states like Florida, Ohio, Wisc, MI, Georgia, NC, PA, Nevada, Arizona, etc, with the exception of Michigan, these, those states largely, usually dont have problems with lots of mistakes, miscounts, fraud; etc.

And if they do, its usually small enough to not make a difference in outcome.

I'm not saying there is absolutely no fraud, mistakes, miscounts, etc.

Just correctly saying that the very little there MIGHT be isnt, wont make a difference.

Also there is a HELL OF A LOT OF EVIDENCE from many, lots of credible sources that there is either very little or non such fraud, etc, and that there is no effect on this election.

But Trump and most Trump supporters(not me(only voted Trump because of how extremely bad Biden is), wrongfully insist, ignore evidence, stupidly say the Election was stolen.

Also Trump and his supporters calling the election, declaring victory early, and saying election stolen, trying to STOP LEGAL MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM BEING COUNTED, and launching court battles, ETC, is horribly irresponsible, disenfranchises voters, bad sportsmanship, whining, crying, behaving like Gore did, behaving like the SNOWFLAKES, and adds fuel to the fires of concerns that Trump might not accept the results if he loses and may try to declare martial law, steal the election, try to remain president, try to not leave office, become a dictator, etc

Such unreasonable fears are wrong of course because the country, militiary, secret service, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, would forcibly remove Trump if it was necessary. But it wouldnt be necessary.

But Trump's, and his followers behavior is making groups like the Black Panthers, Acorn, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, scared of a theoretical Trump Coup, etc; and might start riots, and maybe a theoretical mini Civil War, fighting, etc.

Trump and his supporters really need to behave themselves, shut up, stop whining, crying, accept the results of the election, etc.

If Trump doesnt do that, he is going to make it harder in the future for conservatives, Republican Party, and will give them a bad nane, reputation, and make it harder in the future for them to get elected. And will make it easier fkr future Biden Types to win, ruin country in future.

But Trump doesnt seem to care about that, and is coming off as SELFISH, WHINER, ETC.
 
I used to be Republican in the good days old when being a Republican meant fiscal conservativism and staying the hell out of peoples private lives (old Reagan and Rockefeller), i.e. pre New Reagan, but when he began courting evangelicals, implementing tax cuts while continuing to spending like a drunken sailor. I was left without a party and became a Democrat by default. Like anybody, I love tax cuts, but only when it is supported by commensurate spending cuts. Sadly Republican administrations actually run up the far bigger deficits now, would you believe. They are truly the credit card party now. Sadly, the last politically principled president was HW Bush because, faced with deficits that were out of control, he did the truly conservative thing, trying to pay for it with increased taxes. I admire him for that, but doing what was best for the country long term, cost him his job, plain and simple.
Unfortunately, party politics has devolved into the practice of pandering to voting blocks and interest groups on both sides, rather than promoting a set of political principles. We are certainly not the better for it.

As I put on my rose tinted glasses.
 
I used to be Republican in the good days old when being a Republican meant fiscal conservativism and staying the hell out of peoples private lives (old Reagan and Rockefeller), i.e. pre New Reagan, but when he began courting evangelicals, implementing tax cuts while continuing to spending like a drunken sailor. I was left without a party and became a Democrat by default. Like anybody, I love tax cuts, but only when it is supported by commensurate spending cuts. Sadly Republican administrations actually run up the far bigger deficits now, would you believe. They are truly the credit card party now. Sadly, the last politically principled president was HW Bush because, faced with deficits that were out of control, he did the truly conservative thing, trying to pay for it with increased taxes. I admire him for that, but doing what was best for the country long term, cost him his job, plain and simple.
Unfortunately, party politics has devolved into the practice of pandering to voting blocks and interest groups on both sides, rather than promoting a set of political principles. We are certainly not the better for it.

As I put on my rose tinted glasses.

I can see why you think what you think.

But I think your missing:

The reason why Bush Jr, Trump cut taxes; and increased spending:

1. They either INHERITED Disasters, or had to recover from recessions, etc.

2. Because of 1. above, Bush Jr, Trump largely spent more money on:

A. War on Terror, Militiary READINESS.

B. Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq.

C. Bailouts of the Auto, Real Estate, Banking Industries, Stock Market, and ECONOMIC stimilus.

The theory was that if you do the bail outs, stimulate the economy, business, the consumer, etc, while cutting taxes to rich, middle class, business, etc, that:

1. Consumers would spend more, stimulating economy

2. Trickle Down Economics would keep business going, save jobs, etc, stimulate economy.

The theory is that once the ship is righted, the stimulated economy gets so good, that you can then do spending cuts with the most extremely smallest just barely by skin of teeth tax increases, done in such a right way that the economy would still flourish.

Eventually the deficits would eventually balance out, and eventually end up in a surplus.

The problem is this takes a LONG TIME. and usually a democrat comes in the middle of the process, and ruins it, or INHERITS the good long term results.

Trump had the best economy in history. Lowest unemployment rate in history.

IF Covid hadnt happened and hadnt WRECKED the economy, and IF Trump had then started gradual spending cuts, etc, then the deficit would have eventually balanced out.

Basically it boils down to:

Would you rather have a HIGHER tax rate, more spending cuts, a bad economy, less jobs, etc

Or

Would you rather have a bigger, better economy, more jobs, bigger middle class, bigger, better tax base, lower taxes, temporary spending increases that stimulated economy?

Also which of those 2 would generate the most tax dollars in govt coffers?

The lower taxes, tempory economic stimulus spending would generate more tax dollars in govt coffers due to bigger good economic tax base.

Combine that with a good FLAT tax system and your good to go.

Winston Churchhill, Queen Elizabeth, Margaret Thatcher did this, and that's why they were successful.
 
Trump's not winning, and won't win unless the court rules that there was supposedly some voting errors, recount errors, and because of that, rules, gives him a state or states like Nevada, etc, and that's probably not gona happen either


The Massive amounts of Voter Fraud thing is a MYTH in THIS Election.

Yes there are, is some Voter Fraud/Mistakes/Miscounts, etc.

These are typically ballots being wrongfully sent out to NON eligible voters, like illegal aliens, the Dead, animals, pets, etc.

Those typically happen in places like CA, states, that Trump would not win, no matter how many mistakes, miscounts, fraud, etc.

In Key states like Florida, Ohio, Wisc, MI, Georgia, NC, PA, Nevada, Arizona, etc, with the exception of Michigan, these, those states largely, usually dont have problems with lots of mistakes, miscounts, fraud; etc.

And if they do, its usually small enough to not make a difference in outcome.

I'm not saying there is absolutely no fraud, mistakes, miscounts, etc.

Just correctly saying that the very little there MIGHT be isnt, wont make a difference.

Also there is a HELL OF A LOT OF EVIDENCE from many, lots of credible sources that there is either very little or non such fraud, etc, and that there is no effect on this election.

But Trump and most Trump supporters(not me(only voted Trump because of how extremely bad Biden is), wrongfully insist, ignore evidence, stupidly say the Election was stolen.

Also Trump and his supporters calling the election, declaring victory early, and saying election stolen, trying to STOP LEGAL MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM BEING COUNTED, and launching court battles, ETC, is horribly irresponsible, disenfranchises voters, bad sportsmanship, whining, crying, behaving like Gore did, behaving like the SNOWFLAKES, and adds fuel to the fires of concerns that Trump might not accept the results if he loses and may try to declare martial law, steal the election, try to remain president, try to not leave office, become a dictator, etc

Such unreasonable fears are wrong of course because the country, militiary, secret service, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, would forcibly remove Trump if it was necessary. But it wouldnt be necessary.

But Trump's, and his followers behavior is making groups like the Black Panthers, Acorn, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, scared of a theoretical Trump Coup, etc; and might start riots, and maybe a theoretical mini Civil War, fighting, etc.

Trump and his supporters really need to behave themselves, shut up, stop whining, crying, accept the results of the election, etc.

If Trump doesnt do that, he is going to make it harder in the future for conservatives, Republican Party, and will give them a bad nane, reputation, and make it harder in the future for them to get elected. And will make it easier fkr future Biden Types to win, ruin country in future.

But Trump doesnt seem to care about that, and is coming off as SELFISH, WHINER, ETC.

Mistakes? LMAO. Behave ourselves? GFY....not while Socialist/Marxist try to take over our country.
 
Mistakes? LMAO. Behave ourselves? GFY....not while Socialist/Marxist try to take over our country.
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I used to be Republican in the good days old when being a Republican meant fiscal conservativism and staying the hell out of peoples private lives (old Reagan and Rockefeller), i.e. pre New Reagan, but when he began courting evangelicals, implementing tax cuts while continuing to spending like a drunken sailor. I was left without a party and became a Democrat by default. Like anybody, I love tax cuts, but only when it is supported by commensurate spending cuts. Sadly Republican administrations actually run up the far bigger deficits now, would you believe. They are truly the credit card party now. Sadly, the last politically principled president was HW Bush because, faced with deficits that were out of control, he did the truly conservative thing, trying to pay for it with increased taxes. I admire him for that, but doing what was best for the country long term, cost him his job, plain and simple.
Unfortunately, party politics has devolved into the practice of pandering to voting blocks and interest groups on both sides, rather than promoting a set of political principles. We are certainly not the better for it.

As I put on my rose tinted glasses.
Here is a podcast from Freakonomics Radio that you may find interesting. Discusses the political parties as the duopoly that they are and how they differ from the typical duopoly (e.g. Coke/Pepsi). Also contains some interesting thoughts (e.g treatment of primaries, ranked choice voting) on how to fix the problem.

Definitely worth the listen.

 
Trump had enough popular votes to win the presidency in every single year in US history except 2.
2008
2020
Democrats lost House seats and Republicans will maintain a majority in the Senate.
The Supreme Court is now 6-3 conservative
Great day for Democrats.

Still a bit to go to say whom had a good or bad night...but as of right now, dems are expected to retain house...so no change there in affect. Senate is still too close to call, but at a minimum dems tighter the gap. So a loss of gap in the house and a gain in the Senate would make it a push.

As of now dems are likely to win the white house. Considering all this it can only be interpreted as a good day for dems (Not great and certainly well below expectations regarding congress).

If asked, I'm sure the vast majority of dems would take (given the choice of Senate or president) the white house. It it appears likely that's what will happen.

If/when Trump loses I'm sure the gop won't be thinking they had a good night. And, the Senate could still wind up tied. Taihtsat
 
Still a bit to go to say whom had a good or bad night...but as of right now, dems are expected to retain house...so no change there in affect. Senate is still too close to call, but at a minimum dems tighter the gap. So a loss of gap in the house and a gain in the Senate would make it a push.

As of now dems are likely to win the white house. Considering all this it can only be interpreted as a good day for dems (Not great and certainly well below expectations regarding congress).

If asked, I'm sure the vast majority of dems would take (given the choice of Senate or president) the white house. It it appears likely that's what will happen.

If/when Trump loses I'm sure the gop won't be thinking they had a good night. And, the Senate could still wind up tied. Taihtsat

Moscow Mitch/Cocaine Mitch depending on your preference would probably be just fine trading the WH to keep the senate. I think he knew that Trump was a long shot for re-election. The amount of judges he got to place under Trump makes his 4 years worth it. Dems regaining the senate is kind of a long shot imo. They need to go 2/2 in Georgia and I don’t know if they’ll do that.
 
HA! We have reached the part in the game where the home team is losing and their own fans are getting into drunken fistfights with each other about who the better fan is. Love me some Murica!!
“BBQ, beer, and freedom”
 
Moscow Mitch/Cocaine Mitch depending on your preference would probably be just fine trading the WH to keep the senate. I think he knew that Trump was a long shot for re-election. The amount of judges he got to place under Trump makes his 4 years worth it. Dems regaining the senate is kind of a long shot imo. They need to go 2/2 in Georgia and I don’t know if they’ll do that.
They may go 0/2. Loeffler was behind and is wrapped up in an inside trading scandal, and Perdue lost a lot of momentum to Ossof and has his own scandal himself. With the trumper thumpers being disinterested now, easy to see dems winning both. Not saying that’s what I want, markets and government will likely be better if there’s a split in house/senate + Biden, but certainly possibly senate goes D w 50/50 and the tiebreaker.
 
They may go 0/2. Loeffler was behind and is wrapped up in an inside trading scandal, and Perdue lost a lot of momentum to Ossof and has his own scandal himself. With the trumper thumpers being disinterested now, easy to see dems winning both. Not saying that’s what I want, markets and government will likely be better if there’s a split in house/senate + Biden, but certainly possibly senate goes D w 50/50 and the tiebreaker.

I think it could go either way but Ossof will need a big turnout too. He still down 100K. still think Georgia is red enough that they won’t change. I don’t like one party control of everything either, but just have to see what happens. I’m glad I’m not in Georgia. It’s going to be a madhouse there the next two months.
 
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I mean, this guy is going to get mocked and memed to hell and back, deservedly so for being a simpleton/ rube, especially with his t-shirt and 'stache and...

But isn't this better than destroying property and assaulting people when things don't go your way?
This post may not age well...
 
I'm hoping that at some point, we get to a point where both parties find the word "compromise" in the dictionary and start working together again. The last decade in particular has been a dumpster fire and a waste of time all around. It seems like executive orders are the only way that anything has gotten done in that time and all they do is piss off somebody.
 
Here is why I have gone away from the GOP 100%

Who do the bigots support? The GOP
Who do the Q idiots support? The GOP
Who do the Evangelicals and their Christian Sharia Law support? The GOP

I'm not siding with any of those people on anything.
 
Here is why I have gone away from the GOP 100%

Who do the bigots support? The GOP
Who do the Q idiots support? The GOP
Who do the Evangelicals and their Christian Sharia Law support? The GOP

I'm not siding with any of those people on anything.
You sound like a reasonable, intelligent man who can see both sides of an issue equally.
We need more critical thinkers like you in this world!
 
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You sound like a reasonable, intelligent man who can see both sides of an issue equally.
We need more critical thinkers like you in this world!

Please share with me the side of the viewpoint I should be listening to with the bigots, the Q's and evangelicals. I'm sure I'm missing out on some of their more educated and refined views.
 
Please share with me the side of the viewpoint I should be listening to with the bigots, the Q's and evangelicals. I'm sure I'm missing out on some of their more educated and refined views.

I’ve saw a lot white liberal women parroting a bigot, anti-semite Louis Farrakhan this summer because of his approach to racial social justice. We have Cuomo and De Blasio targeting the Jewish community.

Is antisemitism cool?
 
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Here is why I have gone away from the GOP 100%

Who do the bigots support? The GOP
Who do the Q idiots support? The GOP
Who do the Evangelicals and their Christian Sharia Law support? The GOP

I'm not siding with any of those people on anything.

I'll say that I've drifted away from the GOP for better reasons than that. I find it hypocritical to champion babies during pregnancy but abandoning them after birth. I dislike the notion that the supposed good Christians of the GOP go to church on Sunday and then proudly yell, "F the Libtards!" and "screw poor people" on the other six days of the week. The selfish, sexist, homophobic, racist and xenophobic nature of the GOP is the exact opposite of the Christian values that they claim that are important to them.

The thing that told me that the GOP had lost its soul was November 2016. I stood in line for three hours in March 2016 for the Kansas Republican Caucus and there wasn't a single person in line willing to support Trump out loud. At the end of the day, 77% of Kansas GOP members voted for someone other than Trump and it was a very vocal and outspoken dislike of Trump that was the general sentiment of that day in March. Those same people now kneel at the altar of Trump and proclaim him as the "chosen one". So worried about #winning that they are willing to sell their souls to the devil.
 
I’ve saw a lot white liberal women parroting a bigot, anti-semite Louis Farrakhan this summer because of his approach to racial social justice. We have Cuomo and De Blasio targeting the Jewish community.

Is antisemitism cool?
One would need to inquire of LeBron , Oprah and Ellen. It is THEY who decide what's cool and what isn't.
 
If anybody on this list thinks Trump is winning either Penn or Nevada you don't really know how to analyze votes from these states. This is over. Only real questions are Georgia and Arizona and they won't matter to the outcome. I think Trump will lose both.
 
One would need to inquire of LeBron , Oprah and Ellen. It is THEY who decide what's cool and what isn't.
Interesting take. While all mentioned have built global brands with their talent and marketability in their respective professions, I’ve never seen a boat parade for any of them. I’ve never seen an evangelical preacher speaking in tongues about any of them being the chosen one. Trump is ultimately a fan club. Most of his supporters (not saying any of you guys) don’t know shit about republican policies or conservatism. They root for Trump because they need a feeling of belonging to a club, and that’s one thing that Trump is brilliant at. Trump isn’t even a conservative. He’s not a Christian. Never fired a gun. More than likely with his history has paid for many an abortion. I think most folks here think their finances will be better with Trump (maybe short term, but long term no way if you look at the big picture...unless you are a billionaire, and if so good for you).
 
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If anybody on this list thinks Trump is winning either Penn or Nevada you don't really know how to analyze votes from these states. This is over. Only real questions are Georgia and Arizona and they won't matter to the outcome. I think Trump will lose both.
Georgia is down to a difference of only 1,700 votes. It will be Biden’s state by morning if they count through the night. By lunch on the West Coast if they don’t.
 
Right. Biden will probably end up with 306 EV and a 6 million vote lead in the popular vote.
 
I'm hoping that at some point, we get to a point where both parties find the word "compromise" in the dictionary and start working together again. The last decade in particular has been a dumpster fire and a waste of time all around. It seems like executive orders are the only way that anything has gotten done in that time and all they do is piss off somebody.

The problem is Trump probably more destructive and disruptive put of the White House
 
Georgia is down to a difference of only 1,700 votes. It will be Biden’s state by morning if they count through the night. By lunch on the West Coast if they don’t.
(Hi there, SD.) The interesting aspect of the election in Georgia concerns the two senate races. If the GOP wins both and my math is correct then they will have the numbers in the senate to forestall any extreme legislation coming out of the White House. Remember that Sanders and Warren have apparently been promised cabinet positions in a Biden administration.

Complicating all this is the Georgia voting law that requires a winner to lead in the vote and have over 50% of the ballots cast. As I am typing this no one has reached the 50% threshold. Georgia will have to jettison the minor parties and rerun the elections with Republicans versus Democrats. We may not know the true political dominance in D.C. for several months. Will the Republicans in the senate be in a position to apply the brakes on a Biden administration or will he and his advisors be free to do whatever they want, as Obama did in his first two years?

I am assuming that Biden wins the presidency. The outcome in the senate is more important to me than the number of electoral votes he achieves.
 
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