Interesting Mike Leach stat...

[royhobbs2]

Really so Minshew at qb instead of ag this year wouldnt have helped ? That doesn’t even make sense.

3 man pass rushes got to our qb many times. All pro nfl lineman wouldn’t have helped ?

jerry rice in his prime wouldn’t have helped ?

By your logic you would have no better outcome with d3 players vs Alabama’s starting eleven because it’s the system.

And yes airforce would be much better running the option if they had nfl caliber talent.

 

[CougPatrol]

The only team we were more talented than in the conference was Oregon St. Arizona too but they weren't on our schedule.

i don’t agree with that at all. Not today. If Leach were still our coach and was fully invested in being at WSU, which P12 programs are better/more talented?

UW, Oregon, USC, Utah maybe. After that, I’d put our roster head to head with anyone else.

What SEC programs can Mississippi State say that about? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Georgia, and Florida are all superpowers. Tennessee is a sleeping giant.

That was my point.

 

[etowncoug]

i don’t agree with that at all. Not today. If Leach were still our coach and was fully invested in being at WSU, which P12 programs are better/more talented?

UW, Oregon, USC, Utah maybe. After that, I’d put our roster head to head with anyone else.

What SEC programs can Mississippi State say that about? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Georgia, and Florida are all superpowers. Tennessee is a sleeping giant.

That was my point.

From a natural talent standpoint, we are near the bottom of the conference. Leach specialized things in a way that neutralized this. But look at our roster and show me a team in conference where more than half our guys would start. Keep in mind our players would be in the same strength and conditioning programs and practice methods at other schools.

Leach placed more emphasis on execution than any other coach in the conference, especially on offense. It rewards kids who perfect their craft. Is an Arcanado or Winston going to crack the two deep at another Pac-12 school? Patmon and Harris yes, maybe Tay and CJack. Bell, Fisher, and Woods? No. And receiver is our best position! Borghi can play anywhere, but none of his backups could. Gordo only plays for us. On the line, Mauigoa and Lucas could play anywhere but the rest are emergency depth. I think Leach found a bunch of players who wouldn't play elsewhere but had enough in the way of specific skills to be effective in his system. This resulted in an offense that was better than the sum of it's parts.

 

[OrangeGravy]

i don’t agree with that at all. Not today. If Leach were still our coach and was fully invested in being at WSU, which P12 programs are better/more talented?

UW, Oregon, USC, Utah maybe. After that, I’d put our roster head to head with anyone else.

What SEC programs can Mississippi State say that about? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Georgia, and Florida are all superpowers. Tennessee is a sleeping giant.

That was my point.

Just for starters. Every other team in the conference including possibly OSU has better talent on defense everywhere. OSU, Stanford, Cal, Arizona are equal or worse overall.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Well Mr. Spock, consider this-
Our QBs have led the NCAA in passing the last two years, so I don't think a better QB will help. Our receivers have led the NCAA in receptions and yards this year, and for many years, so not sure better receivers will help. We only gave up 20 sacks in 13 games, and half of those were in the AC, so not sure better lineman helps that much. He doesn't run the ball, so a better back does nothing.

When you are a systems coach, you just find these guys to fill these roles, and all the 4 and 5 star stuff doesn't mean as much. Its just like saying Air Force would be better running the option if they had "more talent". They wouldn't, it would be pretty much the same.

This right here, might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen written about football ever. Is Air Force better now than they would be with a roster of high school players that wouldn't otherwise make a college football roster?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Kiffin will run circles around Leach for in state kids.

I always thought if Leach left, Kiffin would be a great candidate. Now I'm going to DVR the Egg Bow to watch them go head to head.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I always thought if Leach left, Kiffin would be a great candidate. Now I'm going to DVR the Egg Bow to watch them go head to head.

Both coaches got fired. I would suggest fast forwarding to the end of the game. That’s where the drama unfolds.

 

[cboom]

20-52 is closer to 1/4 than 1/3...FYI. That’s not impressive.

It’s actually really impressive for a guy that has had very little talent to work with. Rarely has he been able to get a recruiting class above 60.

 

[royhobbs2]

Every WSU recruiting class going back to 1999 have been in the 40s-50s outside of 2.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Leach has owned tamu, ole miss is a toss up, they will crush Tulane. They will start off 4-0 with cupcakes. UNM, bama a&m, Tulane,nc state, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky...…….they will win one of tamu/ole miss. That's 8. LSU and Bama are losses, Auburn probably a loss. They get tamu and auburn at home.

7 wins at worst, 9 wins at best

You keep bringing up that he beat Texas A&M when he was at Texas Tech like it's really meaningful. Texas A&M is on their 4th different coach since Leach left and have arguably the best of the bunch right now in Jimbo Fisher. Saying that Leach owned Texas A&M is like us bragging that we beat the Huskies 4 out of 5 times back in the Doba years. It doesn't mean anything today.

 

[royhobbs2]

You keep bringing up that he beat Texas A&M when he was at Texas Tech like it's really meaningful. They are on their 4th different coach since Leach left and have arguably the best of the bunch right now in Jimbo Fisher. Saying that he owned Texas A&M is like us bragging that we beat the Huskies 4 out of 5 times back in the Doba years. It doesn't mean anything today.

and...….

 

[Flatlandcoug]

and...….

and then......?

 

[Coug90]

Really so Minshew at qb instead of ag this year wouldnt have helped ? That doesn’t even make sense.

3 man pass rushes got to our qb many times. All pro nfl lineman wouldn’t have helped ?

jerry rice in his prime wouldn’t have helped ?

By your logic you would have no better outcome with d3 players vs Alabama’s starting eleven because it’s the system.

And yes airforce would be much better running the option if they had nfl caliber talent.

Roy, we had the best pass blocking OLineman in the country in Lucas. The OLine was good and did what a good air raid OLine does. Borghi would start for most SEC schools. Gordon, although he had his warts, was one of the More purely talented QBs leach has had. The receivers I’d argue were as deep and talented as any in the conference, and Patton, Arco, and Winston are all SEC quality. Talent was not a problem on offense. The staleness and predictability of the offense was a problem against the good defenses as it’s always been. And Leach will see a lot more of them in the SEC, without a significant uptick in talent. He’s going to need to make some changes.

 

[CougPatrol]

Borghi would start for most SEC schools.

Ummm, what? Pump the brakes on that one.