Is the 2-year "MWC scheduling alliance" just a stall tactic by Schulz and the OSU president ...

[PeteTheChop]

... until the Big XII's expansion door opens back up and the Cougs and Beavs head to their new home?

Once Florida State and Clemson announce they're leaving, the ACC is gonna unravel quicker than Michigan's "we've been wrongly accused" response to the Big Ten/NCAA.

Why would DKS and his counterpart in Corvallis go through this rigamarole of doing one thing in football and (reportedly) sending all sports besides football into the WCC or WAC?

Those ACC left-behind schools are gonna need a safe landing spot. We could easily see the SEC, Big Ten and ACC go to 24 schools apiece as the P5 shrinks to the P3 (or P2/P1 Lite for elitists).

Who honestly thinks WSU and OSU would be left out of such an arrangement?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

... until the Big XII's expansion door opens back up and the Cougs and Beavs head to their new home?

Once Florida State and Clemson announce they're leaving, the ACC is gonna unravel quicker than Michigan's "we've been wrongly accused" response to the Big Ten/NCAA.

Why would DKS and his counterpart in Corvallis go through this rigamarole of doing one thing in football and (reportedly) sending all sports besides football into the WCC or WAC?

Those ACC left-behind schools are gonna need a safe landing spot. We could easily see the SEC, Big Ten and ACC go to 24 schools apiece as the P5 shrinks to the P3 (or P2/P1 Lite for elitists).

Who honestly thinks WSU and OSU would be left out of such an arrangement?

The longer term goal of the B1G and SEC is to be the Power 2 and to hell with everyone else. 48 teams in those two conferences and everyone else can pound sand.

 

[Observer11]

The longer term goal of the B1G and SEC is to be the Power 2 and to hell with everyone else. 48 teams in those two conferences and everyone else can pound sand.

From an economic standpoint, that's probably the line of demarcation.

Not everyone can live on Park Avenue, in Pacific Heights or Medina.

 

[95coug]

... until the Big XII's expansion door opens back up and the Cougs and Beavs head to their new home?

Once Florida State and Clemson announce they're leaving, the ACC is gonna unravel quicker than Michigan's "we've been wrongly accused" response to the Big Ten/NCAA.

Why would DKS and his counterpart in Corvallis go through this rigamarole of doing one thing in football and (reportedly) sending all sports besides football into the WCC or WAC?

Those ACC left-behind schools are gonna need a safe landing spot. We could easily see the SEC, Big Ten and ACC go to 24 schools apiece as the P5 shrinks to the P3 (or P2/P1 Lite for elitists).

Who honestly thinks WSU and OSU would be left out of such an arrangement?

Your 2nd paragraph is much more key than anything with the Big 12.

Eventually, FSU & Clemson are going to find a way out. I suspect that Miami and maybe UNC will join them. The Big 10 and SEC will snap up those defectors

The next question will be, do the Big 10 and SEC want to be at 20+ teams or not? If they do, they may also take the opportunity to poach additional teams from the Big 12 and ACC. It's not hard to imagine the Big 10 making plays for Louisville, Cincinnatti, or Oklahoma State. Also easy to see the SEC chasing some others.

And, do the Big 10 and SEC also take the opportunity to boot some of their lower draws?

Meanwhile, does the Big 12 also take the opportunity to move on UVA, Duke, and UNC, and try to have every hoops power in their conference?

When the ACC comes apart - and I think it will - Cal and Stanford will be the ones left without a home. Does the Big 10 move on them?

Bottom line is that the Big 12 isn't going to drive the next step, they're going to react. And the only way they pick up WSU and OSU is if two of their other teams get picked off by the Big 10 and SEC.

There's no realistic scenario that doesn't have OSU and WSU going to the G5...and probably for the long term.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The longer term goal of the B1G and SEC is to be the Power 2 and to hell with everyone else. 48 teams in those two conferences and everyone else can pound sand.

nah, 32 fits the NFL model and gives each NFL team a specific farm team. NFL feeder league is the ultimate goal, right?

 

[Coug90]

nah, 32 fits the NFL model and gives each NFL team a specific farm team. NFL feeder league is the ultimate goal, right?

I don’t think that’s the goal at all. Nothing changes for the NCAA and it’s still an NFL feeder league. I don’t think the NFL cares at all about conference realignment.

I don’t see how this could ever be the case, NFL would have to draft kids out of HS and put them at colleges that have nothing to do with where they live, their skill sets, etc.

Now, is college football rapidly turning into NFL lite, and will there be fewer teams at the top level? Yeah, that’s for certain.

 

[dgibbons]

The longer term goal of the B1G and SEC is to be the Power 2 and to hell with everyone else. 48 teams in those two conferences and everyone else can pound sand.

I'd say the ultimate goal is 24 teams in those two conferences. Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. will be be on the chopping block eventually.

 

[dgibbons]

nah, 32 fits the NFL model and gives each NFL team a specific farm team. NFL feeder league is the ultimate goal, right?

Concentrating the money in fewer schools means those schools get more money. It will be less than 32.

 

[CougPatrol]

I'd say the ultimate goal is 24 teams in those two conferences. Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. will be be on the chopping block eventually.

Not Purdue. They’re pretty big.

 

[Coug90]

Concentrating the money in fewer schools means those schools get more money. It will be less than 32.

I don’t think so. There’s a happy medium, you still have to try and engage as much of the country as possible and get eyes on TV sets. And some big colleges with lots of $ aren’t even in big markets (Bama). I’m not sure there’s some specific number that’s going to work and it will be fluid. I just think you’ll continue to see schools get weeded out who don’t fit the profile they are looking for to produce revenue. Probably will land around 50 and fluctuate from there.

 

[CougPatrol]

There will always be a super conference bias, but when the dust finally settles, the playoff will be modified or expanded to include the champions of the smaller leagues.

There are going to be more non-super conference programs than there are in the top-tier, and the NCAA and media outlets will want them somewhat engaged.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

There will always be a super conference bias, but when the dust finally settles, the playoff will be modified or expanded to include the champions of the smaller leagues.

There are going to be more non-super conference programs than there are in the top-tier, and the NCAA and media outlets will want them somewhat engaged.

Why?

They've already convinced themselves there is no money to be had there.

 

[dgibbons]

Not Purdue. They’re pretty big.

Not a blueblood, not in a major metro.

 

[Coug90]

Not a blueblood, not in a major metro.

it’s an hour from Indy…which is big enough to have an NFL team 1 mill? Their football program has been shitty for a while but their basketball program has been pretty strong (men’s and women’s?). Think they would make the cut.

 

[dgibbons]

I don’t think so. There’s a happy medium, you still have to try and engage as much of the country as possible and get eyes on TV sets. And some big colleges with lots of $ aren’t even in big markets (Bama). I’m not sure there’s some specific number that’s going to work and it will be fluid. I just think you’ll continue to see schools get weeded out who don’t fit the profile they are looking for to produce revenue. Probably will land around 50 and fluctuate from there.

Why will Bama want to share with Missouri or Vandy? Why will tOSU want to share with Purdue or Iowa? Especially when the payouts diminish or do not keep up with inflation.

 

[dgibbons]

it’s an hour from Indy…which is big enough to have an NFL team 1 mill? Their football program has been shitty for a while but their basketball program has been pretty strong (men’s and women’s?). Think they would make the cut.

Basketball barely moves the needle.

But sure, swap Purdue for Nebraska.

 

[Coug90]

Why will Bama want to share with Missouri or Vandy? Why will tOSU want to share with Purdue or Iowa? Especially when the payouts diminish or do not keep up with inflation.

Hear me out. In an extreme example…you gave four teams running the whole thing 80% of the country becomes disinterested. Those four teams only have to split 4 ways but they aren’t capturing a big market so it doesn’t matter.

Why does the NFL expand to Jacksonville or Carolina and split their proceeds with them? They bring in more of the market.

It’s a happy medium. Enough teams to capture the market, but not so many it gets watered down and you have to pay out to those who aren’t contributing. College footballs a little different because you have smaller market teams who are big business. So I think you’d have around 50 or so to maximize revenue per team and capture as many fans as you can without diluting the proceeds too much.

 

[CougPatrol]

Not a blueblood, not in a major metro.

They’re close. Almost 60K season tickets. Blueblood basketball program. Elite academics.

 

[mikalalas]

... until the Big XII's expansion door opens back up and the Cougs and Beavs head to their new home?

Once Florida State and Clemson announce they're leaving, the ACC is gonna unravel quicker than Michigan's "we've been wrongly accused" response to the Big Ten/NCAA.

Why would DKS and his counterpart in Corvallis go through this rigamarole of doing one thing in football and (reportedly) sending all sports besides football into the WCC or WAC?

Those ACC left-behind schools are gonna need a safe landing spot. We could easily see the SEC, Big Ten and ACC go to 24 schools apiece as the P5 shrinks to the P3 (or P2/P1 Lite for elitists).

Who honestly thinks WSU and OSU would be left out of such an arrangement?

ACC is not going to 24 colleges.

After FSU, Clemson leave the ACC, then SEC, BIG 10 l, BIG 12 will take the best remaining like North Carolina, Virginia, Pittsburg, Miami, etc, and then the left behinds like Duke, etc, will either goto G5, or PAC or maybe Big 12, and then the ACC, either becomes the next conference to die or they do a PAC like rebuild with former Big East, and AAC teams like Memphis, and become another G5,P4,5 HYBRID, like the PAC.

The ACC is not going to get 24, etc, teams and be a P4, P5, P3, etc.

The ACC is DEAD MAN WALKING and doesn't know it yet or does know and either can't, won't do anything about it.

 

[PeteTheChop]

The ACC is DEAD MAN WALKING

👍

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

From an economic standpoint, that's probably the line of demarcation.

Not everyone can live on Park Avenue, in Pacific Heights or Medina.

How does a Spokane guy know about Medina? Mercer Island…yes. But that’s mainly from the infamous and controversial Shadle Park vs Mercer Island championship high school boys basketball game back in the late 1970s/early 1980s, right? 😛

 

[425cougfan]

... until the Big XII's expansion door opens back up and the Cougs and Beavs head to their new home?

Once Florida State and Clemson announce they're leaving, the ACC is gonna unravel quicker than Michigan's "we've been wrongly accused" response to the Big Ten/NCAA.

Why would DKS and his counterpart in Corvallis go through this rigamarole of doing one thing in football and (reportedly) sending all sports besides football into the WCC or WAC?

Because football drives the bus. The rest, even men's BB, and certainly all the rest, isn't as important.

Those ACC left-behind schools are gonna need a safe landing spot. We could easily see the SEC, Big Ten and ACC go to 24 schools apiece as the P5 shrinks to the P3 (or P2/P1 Lite for elitists).

This doesn't make a lot of sense. For one, the ACC falls apart, but the ACC is part of this? I think you meant the Big 12. Even so, there aren't going to be 72 power conference schools. There only ever have been in the mid- to high 60s. The bigger and wealthier schools in conferences like the Big Ten and SEC don't want to share market-leading media rights revenues with some of the schools in these other conferences that you are implying they would pick up. The SEC and Big Ten would fight over the stronger ACC schools in this scenario like North Carolina, Clemson, Miami, and Florida State, and the rest would be in a position similar to, but better than, what the Pac-2 is in now. They would look to augment with some schools like Memphis, Tulane, etc., depending on numbers ($ and # of schools) and/or it would all fall apart and they'd go to the Big 12.

Who honestly thinks WSU and OSU would be left out of such an arrangement?

Me. People don't get that the only thing keeping us in P5 all these years has been history and inertia. WSU's likelihood of getting back in the Power 5 or whatever the equivalent is at any given time goes down significantly the instant it joins the MWC or creates a Pac-14 that effectively is the MWC + Oregon State and WSU, and continues to fall off quickly the longer that goes on. Even in, say, 2025, when SDSU and WSU are both in the same conference, what would it be, exactly, that would prompt the Big 12 or any other conference to choose WSU over SDSU, to take one example?

 

[chipdouglas]

The painful thing is being left out and looking at all the turd teams with no pedigree who got in: Houston, UCF, BYU. And the legacies: Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland… all of whom have collectively accomplished nothing on the field in the last 50 years.

 

[425cougfan]

The painful thing is being left out and looking at all the turd teams with no pedigree who got in: Houston, UCF, BYU. And the legacies: Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland… all of whom have collectively accomplished nothing on the field in the last 50 years.

Absolutely brutal. A clear illustration of what matters to those pulling the strings, though.

 

[95coug]

The painful thing is being left out and looking at all the turd teams with no pedigree who got in: Houston, UCF, BYU. And the legacies: Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland… all of whom have collectively accomplished nothing on the field in the last 50 years.

Most of those are in because of location. They’re in or near metro markets. Northwestern probably gives the Big 10 3/4 of its academics.

 

[CougPatrol]

Most of those are in because of location. They’re in or near metro markets. Northwestern probably gives the Big 10 3/4 of its academics.

I don’t look down on the MWC. The top-5 MWC teams can square up with the middle of pack teams from every conference most years.

 

[chipdouglas]

Most of those are in because of location. They’re in or near metro markets. Northwestern probably gives the Big 10 3/4 of its academics.

IMO it didn’t have anything to do with what those universities did or didn’t bring to the conference - it was the fact that they were already IN the conference. They “preexisted” on the kickball team while we sat in the bleachers hoping to get picked. They weren’t getting kicked out to make way for UW etc

 

[COUGinNCW]

There will always be a super conference bias, but when the dust finally settles, the playoff will be modified or expanded to include the champions of the smaller leagues.

There are going to be more non-super conference programs than there are in the top-tier, and the NCAA and media outlets will want them somewhat engaged.

Making it a 16 team playoff is no brainer. Your top 4 teams would have to play an extra game but that’s who the networks want on TV. Title game is still 4 weeks from the start of the playoffs. I could see them giving 1 or 2 more spots to G5s just to keep a larger pool intersted.