It's June 21. Exciting week ahead

[Loyal Coug1]

By my calendar, June 30 is next Sunday. That effectively means that next Friday is a deadline of sorts. To catch you huddled, uninformed masses up here in the Sanctuary site known as CougZone WazzuWatch:

• Texas St's exit fee goes from $5M to $10M on Monday, July 1. Not sure about NMSU's.
• No media deal (which at this point concerns me less and less). It is going to be shit. I'd prefer trying to go all in with The CW.
• Mediation has obviously failed. June 30 is not a relevant date, but it would have been nice to know where the Pac-2 and 5 Traitors stand. So when does the new court date(s) get announced?
• Sac State had their FBS request denied, in large part because they don't have a conference lined up. Now if the Pac throws a Hail Mary and takes them, would they get the OK? I would think so. And is June 30 a critical date here? I think mebbe so
• Continued, elsewhere it is being discussed as to whether Sac St would satisfy the July 1, 2026 deadline for 8 full members anyway. I get the 2-year initial bowl ban, but does that also mean they aren't a "full" member? My extensive and thoughtful research finds nothing specific that says that

Anyway, I look forward to a fun but likely disappointing week. Oh and since Texas St appears imminent (not to me), I pulled their current conference map. It looks like every West division school (6) is closer than the closest Pac-? school, CSU. 3 of them are within bus range. And their entire 14 team league is closer than any of our teams outside of CSU. Tell me that this isn't a huge deterrent to them? $1M or more in travel, plus the burdens on the athletes. Hey BB teams! Instead of hopping next door and playing the Louisiana/Arkansas schools in January and February, we get to hop on planes and go to the winter oasis's of Pullman, Corvallis, Boise, and Fort Collins! At least they will get to see real mountains for probably the first time.

 

[SaveFerris]

I'm pretty sure Sac State would not count toward full membership in the timeline the Pac2 needs. For that and probably other reasons they weren't an option to get to the needed 8. They just joined the Big West for non-football programs but are still out there for football. James Madison did receive a waiver to count earlier than the 3 year so there is a precedent. No idea what went into the waiver though.

It's going on 3 years of being kicked in the cajones so why would it change now? June 30th won't slip but at best we are probably in the hole for around $20MM? Ultimately though it's better than your plan of taking on all of the MW that would have left us with a smaller cut and at greater risk of the better programs leaving us for greener grass.

I don't have any problem with you posting the same thing over and over again but the fact is your plan was only better than joining the Big Sky.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I'm pretty sure Sac State would not count toward full membership in the timeline the Pac2 needs. For that and probably other reasons they weren't an option to get to the needed 8. They just joined the Big West for non-football programs but are still out there for football. James Madison did receive a waiver to count earlier than the 3 year so there is a precedent. No idea what went into the waiver though.

It's going on 3 years of being kicked in the cajones so why would it change now? June 30th won't slip but at best we are probably in the hole for around $20MM? Ultimately though it's better than your plan of taking on all of the MW that would have left us with a smaller cut and at greater risk of the better programs leaving us for greener grass.

I don't have any problem with you posting the same thing over and over again but the fact is your plan was only better than joining the Big Sky.

Um, OK. Show me something authoritative that confirms your "pretty sure" Sac St wouldn't count, and please list these "other reasons".

You mention "my Plan" twice. Please point out where in my very informative and thought-provoking post do I mention "my plan". I'll help. Nowhere. So your entire post is useless. No offense meant. Well maybe a little .

 

[BiggsCoug]

The tv deal will be:
$40 cash
Free Costco membership
$20 Starbucks card
Elephant Car Wash coupon

There are no more markets that will do a damn thing to make the $$$ anywhere near what it was.

 

[SaveFerris]

Um, OK. Show me something authoritative that confirms your "pretty sure" Sac St wouldn't count, and please list these "other reasons".

You mention "my Plan" twice. Please point out where in my very informative and thought-provoking post do I mention "my plan". I'll help. Nowhere. So your entire post is useless. No offense meant. Well maybe a little .

The "I told you so" plan. Talk about useless, look in the mirror buddy.

blah blah blah...

 

[Dave_86]

Memphis... is back in the news, sort of. The Memphis AD has been touching basis with the PAC-12 commissioner over the past several months. This past week the Memphis AD made public comments about the PAC-12. Definitely read the article linked below (no paywall):

Memphis AD: 'There can be no conversations' with the Pac-12 until media deal is signed

One plan for Memphis is they join the PAC-12 as a football only member and they send their Olympic sports to the Big East. The Big East does not have football.

 

[Observer11]

Memphis... is back in the news, sort of. The Memphis AD has been touching basis with the PAC-12 commissioner over the past several months. This past week the Memphis AD made public comments about the PAC-12. Definitely read the article linked below (no paywall):

Memphis AD: 'There can be no conversations' with the Pac-12 until media deal is signed

One plan for Memphis is they join the PAC-12 as a football only member and they send their Olympic sports to the Big East. The Big East does not have football.

Memphis every day of the week but it has to be football and basketball.

 

[Stretch 74]

By my calendar, June 30 is next Sunday. That effectively means that next Friday is a deadline of sorts. To catch you huddled, uninformed masses up here in the Sanctuary site known as CougZone WazzuWatch:

• Texas St's exit fee goes from $5M to $10M on Monday, July 1. Not sure about NMSU's.
• No media deal (which at this point concerns me less and less). It is going to be shit. I'd prefer trying to go all in with The CW.
• Mediation has obviously failed. June 30 is not a relevant date, but it would have been nice to know where the Pac-2 and 5 Traitors stand. So when does the new court date(s) get announced?
• Sac State had their FBS request denied, in large part because they don't have a conference lined up. Now if the Pac throws a Hail Mary and takes them, would they get the OK? I would think so. And is June 30 a critical date here? I think mebbe so
• Continued, elsewhere it is being discussed as to whether Sac St would satisfy the July 1, 2026 deadline for 8 full members anyway. I get the 2-year initial bowl ban, but does that also mean they aren't a "full" member? My extensive and thoughtful research finds nothing specific that says that

Anyway, I look forward to a fun but likely disappointing week. Oh and since Texas St appears imminent (not to me), I pulled their current conference map. It looks like every West division school (6) is closer than the closest Pac-? school, CSU. 3 of them are within bus range. And their entire 14 team league is closer than any of our teams outside of CSU. Tell me that this isn't a huge deterrent to them? $1M or more in travel, plus the burdens on the athletes. Hey BB teams! Instead of hopping next door and playing the Louisiana/Arkansas schools in January and February, we get to hop on planes and go to the winter oasis's of Pullman, Corvallis, Boise, and Fort Collins! At least they will get to see real mountains for probably the first time.

Don't forget all the excitement that will be coming out of the Supreme Court this week.

 

[Dave_86]

Oh, boy. Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water... 2 days ago these guys just couldn't stop talking...

Canzano & Wilner: Drilling Down on Pac-12 expansion -- Texas State? What else?

Texas State to the Pac-12: Bold Move or Big Mistake? | Jon Wilner

Edit: A little bit more from the Memphis A.D., which is probably more informative than the 2 podcasts I linked a little while ago in this post.

A little bit more of the story from the Memphis A.D.

 

[Dave_86]

 

[Dave_86]

 

[Loyal Coug1]

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Oh fer Gawd's sake Dave. Canzano is a semi-unemployed hack looking for clicks. Stop already.

The "I told you so" plan. Talk about useless, look in the mirror buddy.

blah blah blah...

Save - so you have nothing. No evidence that Sac St would not give us 8. If you want to discuss the here and now, do so.

 

[Dave_86]

Oh fer Gawd's sake Dave. Canzano is a semi-unemployed hack looking for clicks. Stop already.

Okay, Loyal Coug, one more, just for you. Bob Thompson is the former Fox Sports Networks President, and he just jumped in with this tweet...



Looks like my days hanging around this forum are coming to an end.

 

[95coug]

Okay, Loyal Coug, one more, just for you. Bob Thompson is the former Fox Sports Networks President, and he just jumped in with this tweet...

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Looks like my days hanging around this forum are coming to an end.

There’s probably some playful name for this “rule,” but in general, the bigger the news the harder it is to keep quiet.

The fact that there have been zero leaks about either a media deal or expansion tells me that neither is anything that anyone felt was worth leaking.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Okay, Loyal Coug, one more, just for you. Bob Thompson is the former Fox Sports Networks President, and he just jumped in with this tweet...

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Looks like my days hanging around this forum are coming to an end.

Gee. the title of this thread that I started is "Exciting Week Ahead". But I guess we need Hackzano and Wimpner to tell us that.

And what's this "days hanging around coming to an end"? Did OSU get an invite the the Big-12?

 

[Dave_86]

And what's this "days hanging around coming to an end"? Did OSU get an invite the the Big-12?

Given that we just tore apart the Mountain West Conference, I would be extremely disappointed if Oregon St. and/or Washington St bailed on the PAC-12 and left for another conference. In fact, I very much like our new conference. About once or twice a week, I go and check the Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St, Utah St, and SDSU message boards and I have to say I really like our new conference mates. They have the right attitude about everything going on.

Nearly two years ago when the conference fell apart, Beaver A.D. Scott Barnes came out and said that he wants Oregon State to remain competing on the west coast. I believe 100% that's the right strategy. So, I don't see Barnes looking to take the Beavers elsewhere.

Besides, some of us Beavers believe that all the schools in the PAC-12 will "take their game up a level" and close the gap with the Big-12. At that point, there's no need to want to join the Big-12 anyway. Besides, who want to travel to West Virginia for conference competition?

 

[SaveFerris]

Oh fer Gawd's sake Dave. Canzano is a semi-unemployed hack looking for clicks. Stop already.


Save - so you have nothing. No evidence that Sac St would not give us 8. If you want to discuss the here and now, do so.

Other than the NCAA so far has denied Sac State moving to FBS in football? They haven’t received a football invite from either the Pac2 or MW. That's all not enough at this point?

 

[longtimecoug]

Given that we just tore apart the Mountain West Conference, I would be extremely disappointed if Oregon St. and/or Washington St bailed on the PAC-12 and left for another conference. In fact, I very much like our new conference. About once or twice a week, I go and check the Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St, Utah St, and SDSU message boards and I have to say I really like our new conference mates. They have the right attitude about everything going on.

Nearly two years ago when the conference fell apart, Beaver A.D. Scott Barnes came out and said that he wants Oregon State to remain competing on the west coast. I believe 100% that's the right strategy. So, I don't see Barnes looking to take the Beavers elsewhere.

Besides, some of us Beavers believe that all the schools in the PAC-12 will "take their game up a level" and close the gap with the Big-12. At that point, there's no need to want to join the Big-12 anyway. Besides, who want to travel to West Virginia for conference competition?

The beavs think they are hot shit. They would bsil in a heartbeat if offered

 

[UberCougars]

As would WSU.

To refuse that opportunity might be criminal negligence.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Other than the NCAA so far has denied Sac State moving to FBS in football? They haven’t received a football invite from either the Pac2 or MW. That's all not enough at this point?

Starting to wonder if maybe just maybe the Pac-12 braintrust is engaged in a game of chicken and will simply pivot June 30th to Sac State, which would come for free for, say, the next five years if Texas State doesn't agree to join for a (significantly) reduced media rights share. The pluses to such a move:

• Could add an extra $1M or so to each Pac-12 school's media payout
• Cuts way down on travel and further solidifies the conference's footprint
• The vast majority of Pac-12 fans would hardly care if the requisite 8th school was a Big Sky also-ran or a Sun Belt also-ran
• And the media partners? John Wilner says there aren't any schools available to the Pac-12 that would be game changers in terms of media revenue

Leads to something Brand X seemed to imply last month from WSU's new president (and she would be far from the only college leader or media honcho to say as much) suggested was on the horizon at the D1 level:

While it is normal for fans to grieve the loss of the old Pac-12, Betsy Cantwell says "we cannot remain stuck there. We need to get on a bullet train to the future."

That future points to 2030-31, when conference television contracts begin coming up for renewal, potentially triggering additional conference realignment and more lucrative contracts.

For the Cougars, positioning for the next round begins with winning, and lots of it.

Cantwell said WSU must get where it needs to be "pretty fast because the rest of the world is coming for us." She added, "This is a moment where we might have to compete more than we have ever competed before. We have got to compete and we've got to win. You'll hear me say that. It's not the only thing I'm focused on, but it is really true right now."

 

[CougPatrol]

Given that we just tore apart the Mountain West Conference, I would be extremely disappointed if Oregon St. and/or Washington St bailed on the PAC-12 and left for another conference. In fact, I very much like our new conference. About once or twice a week, I go and check the Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St, Utah St, and SDSU message boards and I have to say I really like our new conference mates. They have the right attitude about everything going on.

Nearly two years ago when the conference fell apart, Beaver A.D. Scott Barnes came out and said that he wants Oregon State to remain competing on the west coast. I believe 100% that's the right strategy. So, I don't see Barnes looking to take the Beavers elsewhere.

Besides, some of us Beavers believe that all the schools in the PAC-12 will "take their game up a level" and close the gap with the Big-12. At that point, there's no need to want to join the Big-12 anyway. Besides, who want to travel to West Virginia for conference competition?

I'm with you on that 100%. As one of the few people on here who actually attends games and contributes to the program, I see the reconstituted "Pac-12" as the best path forward for us. Of course it's going to suck a bit compared to the days of yesteryear, but playing in the best G-5 conference (which it is by a longshot) means the conference champion will almost always earn a playoff spot. For programs like WSU, OSU, and the other members, that's (IMO) better than competing in a league like the B12 or ACC 2-3 time zones away.

 

[SaveFerris]

Starting to wonder if maybe just maybe the Pac-12 braintrust is engaged in a game of chicken and will simply pivot June 30th to Sac State, which would come for free for, say, the next five years if Texas State doesn't agree to join for a (significantly) reduced media rights share. The pluses to such a move:

• Could add an extra $1M or so to each Pac-12 school's media payout
• Cuts way down on travel and further solidifies the conference's footprint
• The vast majority of Pac-12 fans would hardly care if the requisite 8th school was a Big Sky also-ran or a Sun Belt also-ran
• And the media partners? John Wilner says there aren't any schools available to the Pac-12 that would be game changers in terms of media revenue

Leads to something Brand X seemed to imply last month from WSU's new president (and she would be far from the only college leader or media honcho to say as much) suggested was on the horizon at the D1 level:

While it is normal for fans to grieve the loss of the old Pac-12, Betsy Cantwell says "we cannot remain stuck there. We need to get on a bullet train to the future."

That future points to 2030-31, when conference television contracts begin coming up for renewal, potentially triggering additional conference realignment and more lucrative contracts.

For the Cougars, positioning for the next round begins with winning, and lots of it.

Cantwell said WSU must get where it needs to be "pretty fast because the rest of the world is coming for us." She added, "This is a moment where we might have to compete more than we have ever competed before. We have got to compete and we've got to win. You'll hear me say that. It's not the only thing I'm focused on, but it is really true right now."

It's possible and the article below wondered why not add Sac State? Excerpt from article:

> This week, the NCAA Football Oversight Committee recommended the Division I Council deny the Hornets' waiver to move to the FBS due to its lack of am invitation from a conference at that level. A final decision is expected in the coming days, with Sacramento State president Luke Wood releasing a strong statement arguing in favor of his football program's move to the FBS." <

It sounds like if the Pac12 or MW offered Sac State maybe the NCAA provides the waiver to meet the deadline in the case of the Pac 12. Maybe it comes down to the risk transitioning from FCS to FBS or the unknown of the NCAA providing the waiver. The non-football sports joining the Big West could be a signal either way.

Sacramento State, the Pac-12, Mountain West, Pawn Stars and future of Hornets athletics

 

[PeteTheChop]

It sounds like if the Pac12 or MW offered Sac State maybe the NCAA provides the waiver to meet the deadline in the case of the Pac 12. Maybe it comes down to the risk transitioning from FCS to FBS or the unknown of the NCAA providing the waiver. The non-football sports joining the Big West could be a signal either way.

Good call Ferris!

Sacramento State's rinky dink current basketball "arena" might not even be a good church gymnasium.

No need to bring them in for hoops and Olympic sports until if/when they get their facility issues firmly resolved.

No way the NCAA stands in the way of the I-AA to I-A transition issue as it doesn't impact the so-called P4 conferences

 

[Loyal Coug1]

It's possible and the article below wondered why not add Sac State? Excerpt from article:

> This week, the NCAA Football Oversight Committee recommended the Division I Council deny the Hornets' waiver to move to the FBS due to its lack of am invitation from a conference at that level. A final decision is expected in the coming days, with Sacramento State president Luke Wood releasing a strong statement arguing in favor of his football program's move to the FBS." <

It sounds like if the Pac12 or MW offered Sac State maybe the NCAA provides the waiver to meet the deadline in the case of the Pac 12. Maybe it comes down to the risk transitioning from FCS to FBS or the unknown of the NCAA providing the waiver. The non-football sports joining the Big West could be a signal either way.

Sacramento State, the Pac-12, Mountain West, Pawn Stars and future of Hornets athletics

Good article. And it confirms what I posted originally. Lack of a conference is what is causing Sac St to be denied FBS membership. So as usual the Mighty yet Humble Loyal one was spot on. You are welcome.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Starting to wonder if maybe just maybe the Pac-12 braintrust is engaged in a game of chicken and will simply pivot June 30th to Sac State, which would come for free for, say, the next five years if Texas State doesn't agree to join for a (significantly) reduced media rights share. The pluses to such a move:

• Could add an extra $1M or so to each Pac-12 school's media payout
• Cuts way down on travel and further solidifies the conference's footprint
• The vast majority of Pac-12 fans would hardly care if the requisite 8th school was a Big Sky also-ran or a Sun Belt also-ran
• And the media partners? John Wilner says there aren't any schools available to the Pac-12 that would be game changers in terms of media revenue

Leads to something Brand X seemed to imply last month from WSU's new president (and she would be far from the only college leader or media honcho to say as much) suggested was on the horizon at the D1 level:

While it is normal for fans to grieve the loss of the old Pac-12, Betsy Cantwell says "we cannot remain stuck there. We need to get on a bullet train to the future."

That future points to 2030-31, when conference television contracts begin coming up for renewal, potentially triggering additional conference realignment and more lucrative contracts.

For the Cougars, positioning for the next round begins with winning, and lots of it.

Cantwell said WSU must get where it needs to be "pretty fast because the rest of the world is coming for us." She added, "This is a moment where we might have to compete more than we have ever competed before. We have got to compete and we've got to win. You'll hear me say that. It's not the only thing I'm focused on, but it is really true right now."

In light of what appears to be a completely underwhelming media deal, why would anyone take a partial share?

50% of zero is still zero.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

In light of what appears to be a completely underwhelming media deal, why would anyone take a partial share?

50% of zero is still zero.

Yep, agree. Sac St coming on for a short-term partial seems kok.. They are desperate to join, and we are desperate for that 8th full member. They can turn around and bail from the Big West in Oly sports. Texas St? No way would I sellte for less than a full share if I were them.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Texas St? No way would I sellte for less than a full share if I were them.

I'll defer to your accounting and WSU expertise on this matter, but could you explain why on Earth a Sun Belt Conference also-ran deserves a full share?

Oregon and Washington were arguably more valuable than Texas State and yet the Big Ten laughed and told those two to take their half-share crumbs or get bent.

Seems like Ann McCoy and the new lady president should advise Commissioner Gold to play hardball on this one.

 

[UberCougars]

Yep, agree. Sac St coming on for a short-term partial seems kok.. They are desperate to join, and we are desperate for that 8th full member. They can turn around and bail from the Big West in Oly sports. Texas St? No way would I sellte for less than a full share if I were them.

You are desperate. Stop projecting.

 

[SaveFerris]

Good article. And it confirms what I posted originally. Lack of a conference is what is causing Sac St to be denied FBS membership. So as usual the Mighty yet Humble Loyal one was spot on. You are welcome.

It seems like the invitation is the first step but the transitioning school also needs to meet other requirements including attendance thresholds for football and potentially other sports. For football specifically, Sac State falls just below the rolling 2-year average of 15K the NCAA requires. For comparison, James Madison's was at 19K+ the year before they went FBS. Montana and Montana State averaged 25K and 22K respectively last season. I'm not saying the Montana schools are a better or worse option but providing a comparison point back to Sac State on football attendance.

Beyond geography and their desire to move to FBS, for whatever reason Sac State hasn't attracted a conference invite yet. Their attractiveness seems to fall short.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

It seems like the invitation is the first step but the transitioning school also needs to meet other requirements including attendance thresholds for football and potentially other sports. For football specifically, Sac State falls just below the rolling 2-year average of 15K the NCAA requires. For comparison, James Madison's was at 19K+ the year before they went FBS. Montana and Montana State averaged 25K and 22K respectively last season. I'm not saying the Montana schools are a better or worse option but providing a comparison point back to Sac State on football attendance.

Beyond geography and their desire to move to FBS, for whatever reason Sac State hasn't attracted a conference invite yet. Their attractiveness seems to fall short.

Hate to dispute your otherwise highly intelligent comments but the NCAA dropped the 15K attendance requirement a couple of years ago. Please try to keep up.

Oh, and where does your "potentially other sports" attendance requirement come from? Never saw that before, and of course dropping the FB requirement renders that silly comment moot.

And speaking of FBS requirements, I'm not sure how WSU even qualifies since we are below the 16-sport requirement and have been so forever.

Sac St. is all about their #20 media market and their potential having hired somewhat high-profile coaches, the planned stadium, the Kings offering up their BB arena and the outpouring of community support and $ pledges.

 

[Observer11]

What will happen to Sac State when California secedes from the Union?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

What will happen to Sac State when California secedes from the Union?

OK. This one time I will engage with you again.

USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, SDSU, Fresno, SJSU and Sac St. would be a nice little league. Better than what we have going. Travel wouldn't suck.....

 

[SaveFerris]

Hate to dispute your otherwise highly intelligent comments but the NCAA dropped the 15K attendance requirement a couple of years ago. Please try to keep up.

Sac St. is all about their #20 media market and their potential having hired somewhat high-profile coaches, the planned stadium, the Kings offering up their BB arena and the outpouring of community support and $ pledges.

When I search that requirement was dropped for current FBS programs but is part of the requirement for FCS programs transitioning to FBS. I'm using AI which could be factual or certainly could be bunk.

What we do know as of right now is neither the Pac 12 or MWC have invited Sac State.

 

[COUGinNCW]

I'm with you on that 100%. As one of the few people on here who actually attends games and contributes to the program, I see the reconstituted "Pac-12" as the best path forward for us. Of course it's going to suck a bit compared to the days of yesteryear, but playing in the best G-5 conference (which it is by a longshot) means the conference champion will almost always earn a playoff spot. For programs like WSU, OSU, and the other members, that's (IMO) better than competing in a league like the B12 or ACC 2-3 time zones away.

I would bet a majority of posters here go to games and or contribute to the program.

 

[CougPatrol]

I would bet a majority of posters here go to games and or contribute to the program.

You haven't been here long, have you?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

When I search that requirement was dropped for current FBS programs but is part of the requirement for FCS programs transitioning to FBS. I'm using AI which could be factual or certainly could be bunk.

What we do know as of right now is neither the Pac 12 or MWC have invited Sac State.

Well buddy, get your shit together and get the facts or quit popping off until you do. And don't try to match wits with the Mighty and almost Deity-Like Loyal One. Trying to figure out which Roman or Greek or Nordic or whichever Gawd I resemble the most. Which one is the most handsome?

As an aside, we all know what diety Biggs resembles. Buddha,

 

[dgibbons]

What will happen to Sac State when California secedes from the Union?

Easy. Change the name to Seceded State University, Sacramento. Only need to change one letter in the nick name- Sec State.

 

[UberCougars]

Well buddy, get your shit together and get the facts or quit popping off until you do. And don't try to match wits with the Mighty and almost Deity-Like Loyal One. Trying to figure out which Roman or Greek or Nordic or whichever Gawd I resemble the most. Which one is the most handsome?

As an aside, we all know what diety Biggs resembles. Buddha,

When have you let facts ever stop you?

 

[Observer11]

Easy. Change the name to Seceded State University, Sacramento. Only need to change one letter in the nick name- Sec State.

SEC! SEC! SEC!

 

[Stretch 74]

I would bet a majority of posters here go to games and or contribute to the program.

Don't bet heavily on that, not sure you would win. FWIW, I have heard in the past that the AD gives little credence to message board posters since most of them are not season ticket holders and contributors. Truth or fiction?

All I can control is what I do, and I contribute, have season tickets and attend almost all home games. I have also traveled to support some road games for over 2 decades. More than a lot of Cougars do, less than what a lot of people do. It is what it is for now.