The son of Shawn Kemp is still being recruited by the cougs. He has transferred from Garfield HS To Rainer. He is only rated as a 2 star with offers from the cougs and Montana state. i really like this guy and his best basketball is ahead of him.He is 6'6 175 and has good strength and is a fundamentally sound basketball player.He has very good athleticism and has very good court vision.He may be the first Garfield product to commit to the cougs. He would be a very good "get' in my opinion and will probably grow a couple of inches during his college career
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So Kemp, Grill, Cruz, Blacksher, and Roberts are all 2* recruits. These are the type of players that are to lead WSU out of the bottom quartile of the Pac-12? I thought Kent's JC recruits were limited............. maybe his HS recruiting isn't going to be any better.
I guarantee you that theses guys are 3 star players with potential. If you look at the offers which grill and Blacksher are starting to accumulate,you will see that they are under rated right now.If the cougs can land a couple of these guys,it would certainly improve recruiting. They are solid players with good potential
j Blacksher is rated as a three star player. I believe that he is the best of all three star PG s being considered. Caleb Grill will be rated as a three star based on the number and quality of schools recruiting him.So there are solid offers out there. The cougs have to land 4-5 of theses players for it to be a successful recruiting year.
Jamon kemp is now rated a as three star player as has Roberts..The coug coaches have done a great job of finding and recruiting previously under rated players. Caleb Grill s rating has not been upgraded. However,he has now been offered by WSU,Nebraska and Tubby Smith at Texas Tech, He will rated at 3 stars before long. It remains to be seen is the coug coaches can land these very good players..
I agree and the posts indicate where the players are currently ranked. One of the main keys in recruiting is the ability to properly evaluate players. The other key is in establishing relationships with players other P 5 programs are pursuing. These things were obviously missing in the recent past which led to the reshuffling, if you will, of the staff.This year the current staff have offered many solid players so it is not a last minute grab bag of available jucos. Instead it is a plan and evaluation not only of the player s ability but an honest appraisal of the player s real interest in the program. The change has been welcome as both HS and juco players are being offered early in the process.
It's more than possible and, in fact, easily done. I've seen posters (not on this board) who have 5 separate identities. If I'm wrong about you being EL C/Gazooks, I apologize. It's actually no big deal if you are...and I appreciate that you are passionate enough about Cougar B-Ball to try and get the chatter going.
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I like the fact we are offering players earlier in the process but until we land some it’s really not very relevant. Any school can offer any athlete. Montana always seems to have lots of offers out to players they have little to no chance of signing. Imo Kent overestimated his personal recruiting draw when he was hired. I think he expected a higher level of recruit just based on his name alone, which I think most people, myself included did also. As such he brought in coaches who could fill the voids in his game coaching. When the recruits didn’t come he reshuffled the staff in an attempt to shake up recruiting and bring in the players he needs. Again this is just an opinion but I think there are three primary types of coaches 1) will win by out coaching you 2) will win by out recruiting you and the elite coaches 3) will do both. All three can have success but only catagory 3 usually has consistent long term success I feel Kent is in group 2 or at least he was at Oregon.
The biggest mistake he made at the onset was in retaining Allen. Now that he is gone the recruiting has certainly picked up at both the juco and HS level.It dawned on him that the recruits coming in the door were not really what he needed to succeed in Pullman. Allen was let go and he ended up on his feet at Pepperdine.This year will go a long way in Kent being able to hold on to his job.
The recruiting picked up when Seltzer and Haskins replaced Graham and Dominguez. I do agree Kent must have weighted his draw as a coach too high. He needed at least 2 recruiters on staff from the start and stuck with his former Oregon guys too long.
Say what you will but Allen was let go because he was not doing a good job. It was a professional decision by Kent. I do not understand the support for Allen. The top recruits cited by fans were two players who were not recruited by any P 5 schools.He should have been let go along with the est of the staff..
Yep, and Curtis Allen was part of Kent's program that developed these two players. It wouldn't surprise me if Allen, in particular, was instrumental in developing Flynn since he too played point guard in college.
Also, is it 100% factual that Kent got rid of Curtis or did Allen simply leave WSU to go coach with Romar? I don't know the answer but would appreciate proof positive that it was Kent's decision as has been alleged.
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Also, is it 100% factual that Kent got rid of Curtis or did Allen simply leave WSU to go coach with Romar? I don't know the answer but would appreciate proof positive that it was Kent's decision as has been alleged.
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Yes Flynn did improve especially after there was new addition Bennie Seltzer who was a far better PG than Curtis,AS far as getting "factual proof" i think that mum is the word. If you take a look ar salaries at WSU and Pepperdine,you may find your answer. I do notknow the facts on that one
So to be clear, you are just speculating on Kent getting rid of Allen. Got it. I can also speculate that Curtis left for Pepperdine because he may feel the head coaching situation there will be more stable in the long term.
In the end, it doesn't matter. Allen is gone, I'm okay with the assistants they now have (big improvement over Ernie's cronies from the UO days) and hopefully the staff finds a way to finish higher than 10th in the conference one of these years.
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i guess if one checks the salary angle that may clarify the situation. I guess that moving down to a mid major is usually not a good career move unless one has to. Face it Curtis Allen was pretty much a dismal recruiter and the stars did not align right for him in Pullman . i for one was happy to see him leave. i was extremely disappointed when he was retained.It is now to new start and hopefully more wins and better recruits.
Didn't Allen run point for some of the better Bone recruits? Regardless, the staff now is better for what we need. The initial staff IMO wasn't a good fit for Kent/WSU/Pullman.
Ok. I may be more of a lurker, and not post as much as I used to, but I am getting tired by the false narrative that Allen was supposedly a bad recruiter.
Any talk on, about Allen, starts with Bone, finishes with Kent.
Bone is, was comparable to Kevin Eastman
Kevin Eastman had some good recruits, but Eastman always underperformed.
Same with Bone. He should have gotten 2 NCAA Tourney Bids, 1,2 NIT bids, 1,2 CBI bids, 1,2 seasons of 14,15 wins, with the Talent he had.
Instead He Got 1,2 NIT bids, 1,2 CBI bids, 1,2 8,9,10,11 win seasons where he should have won at least 14 wins at worst. Thats underperforming.
Bone had MOORE, ADEN, QUE, ISABEL, etc, many others I am forgeting.
ON PAPER those recruits were high end 3 star to border line low end 4 star recruits. Que and Isabel were 4 star recruits, and Isabel was a high end 4 star recruit, to borderline low end 5 star recruit, that was mentored by NBA PROS, BEAT NBA ALL STAR PROS,etc.
Bone was bad, because he way underperformed with his awesome recruits. Thats why he deserved to be fired, thats why he was fired.
And it was CURTIS ALLEN that landed those 2,3 4 star recruits, including ISABEL.
The last time WSU recruited 3. 4 star recruits was KELVIN SAMPSON.
And So far KENT hasnt recruited 3. 4 star recruits.
Kent would have if he had not idiotically got rid of ISABEL WHO IS NOW SCORING 21 PPG AND IS BEING PROJECTED TO BE DRAFT SOMEWHERE IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE NBA DRAFT, JUST LIKE THE ON PAPER STUFF ABOUT HIM LOGICALLY HAD ME, OTHERS PROJECT HIM TO BE.
If Kent had Kept ISABEL, WSU would have probably done good enough that QUE, IROEGBU, ISABELL ALL 4 STAR RECRUITS would have probably played well enough to have had WSU do good, well enough to enable, empower CURTIS ALLEN to be able to recruit better.
After all it was when Bone was going to the NIT that CURTIS ALLEN started recruiting better.
The lone exception to that was recruiting ISABEL after a very bad season.
Curtis Allen is a good, semi great recruiter, as far as his ability to beat out other good teams for high end 3 star to low end 4 star recruits.
But he is not awesome, not the best either.
And as good as he was, is, at recruiting, the current staff is, or probably is way better then CURTIS ALLEN.
I suspect that ALLEN is going to get 3,4 star recruits to Pepperdine, for Romar to finish in 4th place behind Gonzaga, BYU, ST MARY's.
So I am ok with, like the staff over Allen, and is a big improvement.
Curtis Allen was good, better, Haskins, Seltzer probably is better, semi best.
But we will have to wait and see.
Any talk on, about Allen, starts with Bone, finishes with Kent.
Bone is, was comparable to Kevin Eastman
Kevin Eastman had some good recruits, but Eastman always underperformed.
Same with Bone. He should have gotten 2 NCAA Tourney Bids, 1,2 NIT bids, 1,2 CBI bids, 1,2 seasons of 14,15 wins, with the Talent he had.
Instead He Got 1,2 NIT bids, 1,2 CBI bids, 1,2 8,9,10,11 win seasons where he should have won at least 14 wins at worst. Thats underperforming.
Bone had MOORE, ADEN, QUE, ISABEL, etc, many others I am forgeting.
ON PAPER those recruits were high end 3 star to border line low end 4 star recruits. Que and Isabel were 4 star recruits, and Isabel was a high end 4 star recruit, to borderline low end 5 star recruit, that was mentored by NBA PROS, BEAT NBA ALL STAR PROS,etc.
Bone was bad, because he way underperformed with his awesome recruits. Thats why he deserved to be fired, thats why he was fired.
And it was CURTIS ALLEN that landed those 2,3 4 star recruits, including ISABEL.
The last time WSU recruited 3. 4 star recruits was KELVIN SAMPSON.
And So far KENT hasnt recruited 3. 4 star recruits.
Kent would have if he had not idiotically got rid of ISABEL WHO IS NOW SCORING 21 PPG AND IS BEING PROJECTED TO BE DRAFT SOMEWHERE IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE NBA DRAFT, JUST LIKE THE ON PAPER STUFF ABOUT HIM LOGICALLY HAD ME, OTHERS PROJECT HIM TO BE.
If Kent had Kept ISABEL, WSU would have probably done good enough that QUE, IROEGBU, ISABELL ALL 4 STAR RECRUITS would have probably played well enough to have had WSU do good, well enough to enable, empower CURTIS ALLEN to be able to recruit better.
After all it was when Bone was going to the NIT that CURTIS ALLEN started recruiting better.
The lone exception to that was recruiting ISABEL after a very bad season.
Curtis Allen is a good, semi great recruiter, as far as his ability to beat out other good teams for high end 3 star to low end 4 star recruits.
But he is not awesome, not the best either.
And as good as he was, is, at recruiting, the current staff is, or probably is way better then CURTIS ALLEN.
I suspect that ALLEN is going to get 3,4 star recruits to Pepperdine, for Romar to finish in 4th place behind Gonzaga, BYU, ST MARY's.
So I am ok with, like the staff over Allen, and is a big improvement.
Curtis Allen was good, better, Haskins, Seltzer probably is better, semi best.
But we will have to wait and see.
I do not see Isabel as being a top recruit because of the many problems surmounting hie recruitment. He was trouble from the word go and somehow was given a college degree.The problems with Isabel were more of an academic and personal nature and i was glad that Kent let him go.He most likely would have flunked out at WSU.Allen did not get the job done under Kent. He actually seemed to take a laid back attitude and one cannot do that if you are supposed to be the ace recruiter. It somehow smacks of Rosey in football. Perhaps he now will be motivated to be a better recruiter at Pepperdine,
I wasnt going to get in to this, but I am squarely between you two. Bone wasnt able to capitalize on his westside connections from s recruiting standpoint, but he could coach. Just not enough talent. Que was a total under performer. That CBI team might have been the best cosching job I have seen at WSU. We started the season with Lodwick coming off a nadty ankle dprsin that limited him for several games. Aden got hurt before the season beginning tourney. Ladd hurt his hand during the tourney and was impacted for his entire 2 years. Then just as we were rounding into top form with a sweep of the Bay Area schools Aden goes down. That cost us a solid NIT bid which would have been a good followup to losing Klay and Casto.
As for Allen, not saying he was a great recruiter, but he was the only guy to even get us in the door on the west side, helping get Lacy, Daniels, Flynn, and Franks. Our poor recruiting under Kent the first couple of years had a lot more to do with Kents old cronies, and our own abysmal history for many years in Washington than it did with Allen
As for Allen, not saying he was a great recruiter, but he was the only guy to even get us in the door on the west side, helping get Lacy, Daniels, Flynn, and Franks. Our poor recruiting under Kent the first couple of years had a lot more to do with Kents old cronies, and our own abysmal history for many years in Washington than it did with Allen
All I can say is that IMO Bone and Allen recruited pretty well. Like it or not Reggie Moore, Motum, and Thames were in his first class. Aden and Simon were both 3 star recruits in his second year. Lacy (clearly an Allen recruit) along with DJ Shelton the third year. Que Johnson was a big get (also Allen's influence as he was in Tacoma CC.
Josh and Ike are the next two both great gets.
All I will say is that the recruits since other than Allen guys like Daniels, Flynn, Franks, and for others were all done by Allen. Certainly Silvi and that other Dude brought no one nor did Ernie Kent.
New guys have gone in a different direction and it is TBD if that is any good. But certainly the EK era has seen awful recruiting.
Oh that awful Allen, they (Pepperdine) just got Keith Smith out of Seattle (UO) to transfer. He was the #1 Junior in Washington at one point.
Josh and Ike are the next two both great gets.
All I will say is that the recruits since other than Allen guys like Daniels, Flynn, Franks, and for others were all done by Allen. Certainly Silvi and that other Dude brought no one nor did Ernie Kent.
New guys have gone in a different direction and it is TBD if that is any good. But certainly the EK era has seen awful recruiting.
Oh that awful Allen, they (Pepperdine) just got Keith Smith out of Seattle (UO) to transfer. He was the #1 Junior in Washington at one point.
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Josh had only one offer and bone only extended the offer after pressure from his dad who was a good friend of bone. Josh only improved after Kent told him he was a scorer and he lost 35 pds of fat. Coach bone had told to gain weight and strength so he could set picks. He had a limited role plan for "Josh". So Josh was not a great get right out of the box. He was lucky that Kent saw the potential which precious few others saw in him, Flynn and Franks were marginal D1 recruits and had few offers . So to call them "great gets' is stretching the truth.. it is interesting that these three guys developed under the the tutelage of Kent. Allen was supposed to be an ace recruiter and did not really take a big role in their development which his few supporters want to claim. I think that Ike is a great athlete,a nice guy but not a very good basketball player.
Motum, Thames and Simon were all Tony Bennett recruits and Bone managed to fumble away the Thames commit.
Bone flew to Australia to keep Motum. We were a better team with Moore than without him. Bennett left the program in decline. Dont think so? Tell me why we would have been as good with Casto and Thames as we were with Baynes and Rochestie which already was under 500 in conference in Tonys last season
Motum and Thames signed in the fall so they were Tony recruits that Bone was able to convince to not transfer. I'll give him credit there but no different than Eastman coming in and keeping most of the roster save Erdman (sp?) and Abercrombie.
Bone's recruiting overall wasn't bad but the results call into question his "coaching" ability. You can't have it both ways and the injury story doesn't solve the inability to find a point guard when Reggie started to have his issues.
Bone's recruiting overall wasn't bad but the results call into question his "coaching" ability. You can't have it both ways and the injury story doesn't solve the inability to find a point guard when Reggie started to have his issues.
And Tony was two years away from having a pg who could keep us above 500 when he left. Thames wasnt going to be a solid starter on a winning team for two years. Also Thames only signed with us when he couldnt get an offer from a Cal Pac 10 school. Never truly commited. He bolted after playing almost 20 min per game and getting several starts as a frosh.
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Under .500 by one game (8-10) in a conference that sent 6 teams to the NCAA tournament. Bennett left the program Klay Thompson and Casto, and a decent veteran in Kopravica....was mostly responsible for getting Thames & Motum into the program. Brought in productive players for Bone in Lodwick and Capers. The decline of the program came after Bone got the job. I will never agree that a single year of underachievement in Tony's 3rd season after a pair of 26-win seasons is a program in decline especially when that team at least made the NIT, something Bone only did once and Kent has yet to do. Blaming Tony Bennett for where we are now as a program is silly.
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In making my point about Allen, Bone should NOT be defended, and Tony Bennet should NOT be Nay Sayed.
In determining whether a assistant coach is a good recruiter or not, you can go by:
1. Their Ability or lack of ability to beat out a good team for 3,4,5 STAR recruits
2. Their ability, lack of ability to have a eye for under the radar talent.
Next if you go by whether can beat out good teams for 3,4,5 STAR recruits, you go by ON PAPER NOT on whether the recruit overachieved, underachieved, under performed, over performed their recruit STAR ranking.
You also dont go by whether the coach developed the player or not.
You go by 1 thing, and that is the STAR recruit ranking level of the recruit ON PAPER.
IF a assistant coach beats out good teams for 3, 4 STAR recruits, ON PAPER, then that assistant coach is a good recruiter, even if the 3, 4 star recruits were to end up never playing, and the head coach were to lose every game.
The absolute fact is, Curtis Allen Recruited Reggie Moore a high end 3 Star Recruit, Aden a high end 3 star recruit, Motum a high end 3 star recruit, Shelton a 3 star recruit, Q a 4 Star Recruit, Iroegbu, a 4 star recruit, Isabel a high end 4 star recruit, just barely low end 5 star recruit, ON PAPER.
The last assistant or head coach to recruit that many high end 3 star, 4 star recruits, ON PAPER, like Curtis Allen did, was KELVIN SAMPSON.
Thats a absolute fact.
Therefore, because of that Curtis Allen was a good recruiter, in terms of his good ability to beat out good teams for high end 3 star recruits, 4 star recruits ON PAPER.
And that means Curtis Allen is a good recruiter
To say otherwise is to be illogical, deny the truth, deny the facts,etc.
In determining whether a assistant coach is a good recruiter or not, you can go by:
1. Their Ability or lack of ability to beat out a good team for 3,4,5 STAR recruits
2. Their ability, lack of ability to have a eye for under the radar talent.
Next if you go by whether can beat out good teams for 3,4,5 STAR recruits, you go by ON PAPER NOT on whether the recruit overachieved, underachieved, under performed, over performed their recruit STAR ranking.
You also dont go by whether the coach developed the player or not.
You go by 1 thing, and that is the STAR recruit ranking level of the recruit ON PAPER.
IF a assistant coach beats out good teams for 3, 4 STAR recruits, ON PAPER, then that assistant coach is a good recruiter, even if the 3, 4 star recruits were to end up never playing, and the head coach were to lose every game.
The absolute fact is, Curtis Allen Recruited Reggie Moore a high end 3 Star Recruit, Aden a high end 3 star recruit, Motum a high end 3 star recruit, Shelton a 3 star recruit, Q a 4 Star Recruit, Iroegbu, a 4 star recruit, Isabel a high end 4 star recruit, just barely low end 5 star recruit, ON PAPER.
The last assistant or head coach to recruit that many high end 3 star, 4 star recruits, ON PAPER, like Curtis Allen did, was KELVIN SAMPSON.
Thats a absolute fact.
Therefore, because of that Curtis Allen was a good recruiter, in terms of his good ability to beat out good teams for high end 3 star recruits, 4 star recruits ON PAPER.
And that means Curtis Allen is a good recruiter
To say otherwise is to be illogical, deny the truth, deny the facts,etc.
We are talking as if Curtis Allen was the head coach! If Curtis Allen is such a terrible recruiter that’s on Ernie Kent for keeping him arround for 4 years! It can’t be both ways, Allen bad, Kent good that simply doesn’t pass the smell test. People slammed Bone from day 1. Which is standard practice for the guy who follows a highly popular and successful coach. Personally I think Bone did a decent job but as Ava talked about had some bad luck with injuries and some players personal choices (some of that can be placed at the foot of the coach). I was wavering on my support after his last year but didn’t think he should be fired yet. Then after he was fired and we hired Kent I was ok with the firing because I felt Kent was an upgrade. That simply hasn’t played out like I thought. I like the new staff but Kent in my book doesn’t get a pass on the old staff and doesn’t get a pass on HIS recruiting which has been nothing short or terrible. And as such here we go again into a season with high hopes bolstered by coaches and some posters hype for a roster that is for the most part void of players that any other PAC 12 team wanted and if they did want them it was a late in the process fill a hole type of recruit not a come in and start recruit like WSU needs them to be.
Please, enough of that ("Isabel a high end 4 star recruit, just barely low end 5 star recruit, ON PAPER.") crap! On paper is what one uses in the toilet. That guy was a 10* bad news malcontent.
No one needs to count beyond 3* because they aren't coming to WSU because it's WSU! Now things could change, if the Cougs get out of Kent's contract, and hire a young up and comer. A Pac-12 8th place finish would be cause for fireworks for WSU.
No one needs to count beyond 3* because they aren't coming to WSU because it's WSU! Now things could change, if the Cougs get out of Kent's contract, and hire a young up and comer. A Pac-12 8th place finish would be cause for fireworks for WSU.
I liked Bone, but admit he was on a downhill trend, athough Moores antics, and Aden injury cost him 4 or5 straight 500 seasons overall with another likely strong NIT appearance.
Incidentally, here is Tonys starting lineup if he stayed. Klay, Casto, Thames, Capers, Nik/Lodwick. Bench: Witherill, Harthun, Brown, Watson, Motum. ONE SENIOR, NO JUNIORS.
Incidentally, here is Tonys starting lineup if he stayed. Klay, Casto, Thames, Capers, Nik/Lodwick. Bench: Witherill, Harthun, Brown, Watson, Motum. ONE SENIOR, NO JUNIORS.
Saying 4 stars dont come to WSU is false.
Klay was a 4 star, Q a 4 star, Iroegbu a 4 star, Isabel a 4 star. Kelvin Sampson had recruited 4 stars to WSU(ok they didnt have the star ranking system back then, but Terrence Lewis, Tony Harris, Benny Seltzer would have been high end 3 stars to 4 star recruits if the star system had been around then.
In determining if a recruiter is a good recruiter or not, it does NOT matter what the recruit does after.
If Bennie Seltzer were to recruit a 5 star recruit, and then if that recruit were to go down as the worst player in WSU history, Bennie Seltzer would, should still get credit for being a good recruiter for beating out good teams for a 5 star recruit ON PAPER
Likewise Curtis Allen gets credit for being a good recruiter for recruiting lots of high end 3 star recruits, and 3, 4 star recruits.
It doesnt matter in a way if Isabel were to have been the worst player in NCAA Collegiate history.
ISABEL was OFFICIALLY a high end 4 star recruit, to just barely a low end 5 star recruit, ON PAPER, BEFORE HE PLAYED, according to RIVALS, SCOUT, ESPN, EVERY RECRUITING SERVICE OUT THERE.
Therefore because of that Curtis Allen gets credit for being a good recruiter because he beat out good teams for the 4 star ISABEL.
Also ISABEL is averaging 21 POINTS PER GAME, Will probably likely take his team to the NCAA Tourney, and will probably be drafted no lower then the 1st pick of the SECOND ROUND of the NBA draft at worst.
Thats a lot better then what you said, and Curtis Allen gets credit for recruiting a 4 star recruit that will get drafted in the NBA draft.
Have to go back to the Raveling, Sampson, Tony Bennet days, as the last times a WSU coach recruited a recruit that was drafted in the NBA draft.
You can stop your revisionist alternate history about WSU not recruiting 4 stars, and about Curtis Allen supposedly not being a good recruiter
Klay was a 4 star, Q a 4 star, Iroegbu a 4 star, Isabel a 4 star. Kelvin Sampson had recruited 4 stars to WSU(ok they didnt have the star ranking system back then, but Terrence Lewis, Tony Harris, Benny Seltzer would have been high end 3 stars to 4 star recruits if the star system had been around then.
In determining if a recruiter is a good recruiter or not, it does NOT matter what the recruit does after.
If Bennie Seltzer were to recruit a 5 star recruit, and then if that recruit were to go down as the worst player in WSU history, Bennie Seltzer would, should still get credit for being a good recruiter for beating out good teams for a 5 star recruit ON PAPER
Likewise Curtis Allen gets credit for being a good recruiter for recruiting lots of high end 3 star recruits, and 3, 4 star recruits.
It doesnt matter in a way if Isabel were to have been the worst player in NCAA Collegiate history.
ISABEL was OFFICIALLY a high end 4 star recruit, to just barely a low end 5 star recruit, ON PAPER, BEFORE HE PLAYED, according to RIVALS, SCOUT, ESPN, EVERY RECRUITING SERVICE OUT THERE.
Therefore because of that Curtis Allen gets credit for being a good recruiter because he beat out good teams for the 4 star ISABEL.
Also ISABEL is averaging 21 POINTS PER GAME, Will probably likely take his team to the NCAA Tourney, and will probably be drafted no lower then the 1st pick of the SECOND ROUND of the NBA draft at worst.
Thats a lot better then what you said, and Curtis Allen gets credit for recruiting a 4 star recruit that will get drafted in the NBA draft.
Have to go back to the Raveling, Sampson, Tony Bennet days, as the last times a WSU coach recruited a recruit that was drafted in the NBA draft.
You can stop your revisionist alternate history about WSU not recruiting 4 stars, and about Curtis Allen supposedly not being a good recruiter
I would argue a good recruiter is one that can look at a player, watch him play and determine whether the player is capable of playing at the level he is being recruit for. Stars be dammed. I’m as guilty as the rest of using the star system to determine the recruits value and I would also add it’s generally a decent system, but if I’m s coach and I watch a player play I should be able to make my own evaluation of whether he can help my program. So as far as bringing in a five star recruit who turns out to be the worst player in WSU history I would say his recruiter didn’t do a very good job of evaluating his ability. Before AAU and all the traveling teams this used to happen a lot more because a player might be 6-8 and score 35 points s game and get 15 rebounds but the next tallest player in his league is 6-4. I don’t really care in the long run about stars I want PAC 12 level players.
