what a circus
Just today 16 players in portal for Colorado
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Apparently Coach Sanders is a big racist. Almost 100% of the kids he has chased away are black. Guess we need a big investigation by the Dept of Justice! This oppression cannot be allowed to continue.what a circus
what a circus
My count is 30 kids this month in the portal.
True but when I posted it was 16 just for 1 day. Another 2 entered so that’s makes it 18 for 1 day. That has to be a record.
It's too bad that the NCAA was so incompetent that they completely lost control of the situation. I remember when I used to think that the 25 players per year rule was too oppressive but it's crazy that Colorado has brought in 47 new players in one year. Deion Sanders represents everything that is wrong with college football today. The good news is that he'll be gone from the Pac-12 in three years. He'll either be fired because his teams flamed out or he'll be carpetbagging his way to his new gig after having success.
I just hope Dickert and company find a way to sign some players that hit the portal in the past 2 weeks. Both lines could use some help, along with the LBs, Cougs lost a lot here. Picking up 2-3 players that could start or at least make the 2 deeps would help. The front 7 on defense is not deep, other than rush ends.
The portal kids are interesting because they will have burned their one time free transfer. Maybe they can find some guys that have a few years left, walk in with an idea of what P5 football looks like from already being in a program, maybe they can actually develop…
If WSU has a hard time holding onto HS kids, I could see a day when the classes were heavily portal because the free transfer has been used.
Stretch …. Trying to remember … was Leach investigated when a few players left and accused of racism . Or is your post in response to something more recent.
Ed you missed the Sarcasm, point of Stretch's point.
Stretch's point, at least what I, and probably Stretch, and others would say the point is, is that if it was a Leach, or a WHITE head coach, instead of Deion Sanders, a Black head coach, that was chasing away a lot of black kids, their might probably be people, media thinking, calling the White Coach racist for chasing lots of blacks out.
And if that's not it.
The point then might be that race baiters, haters that race bait, divide people, try to convince people that there is a extreme a lot of systemic racism(A claim that bs, not true, especially compared to 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, Selma Alabama in 60's, etc(And Corine King, wife of Martin Luther King, disagrees, and says that there is not a lot of systemic racism), and stoke, provoke racism, hate, division, etc, AKA, ie, example Al Sharpton and others like him.
Those that like Al Sharpton do what they do, but they HYPOCRITICALLY turn a blind eye to the lots of blacks that get chased into transfer portal, etc, who are then not able to transfer anywhere, because they are not good enough, who then end up at some D3 college, community college, and then wash out of even those colleges.
And if that's not the point his point might be that the Dept of Justice, Congressional, big governmental investigations are sometimes called for, for little stuff, and Stretch's point could be "Hey do another stupid investigation, like investigating Deion Sanders"
And if that's not it, it might be all the above, or there may be no point.
He might just be trying to be funny.
Either, any way you slice it, you missed the Sarcasm, and missed the point Ed, and your point was probably not the point he was making Ed.
Since you assume … what do you assume the point I thought stretch was trying to make .
I ask questions because I don’t want to assume . The sarcasm of which you woke I mean spoke of could certainly be stretch’s point.
Or maybe there was something that happened recently or in the past that triggered his post.
But you have spoke many times of systemic racism what does that mean and look like to you?
I don't recall anything about Leach WRT racism charges/investigation. Not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember anything like that.
I believe Spencer Waseem's dad made some allegations. Part of the Marquess Wilson nonsense, and covered by the report.
What triggered the post? Well, there was a link to all the CO guys in the portal, and although I am aware that probably ~80% of the football athletes are black or Poly, it was just surprising that there was only one (i think) that was a white guy. So it was just a quick knee jerk thing, throwing a smart ass comment out there. Mik was probably most right in his analysis.
However, after a bit of reflection, it actually IS a decent accusation of how racism is used and abused by a lot of race baiters out there. Now I must emphatically state up front that racism is a bad thing. Actual racism, that is. Unfortunately, there are many out there that shout "RACISM" from the rooftops any and every time there is an incident involving a black person. (BTW< why do some media organizations insist on capitalizing black but using all lower case for white?) When a black guy attacks a cop and gets shot, that is not racism. When there are more blacks in prison for murder than whites, that is not racism because blacks are committing more murders than whites. That is simply data/statistics. In fact, WSU was one of two universities that did a study proving that cops were actually slower to use deadly force on blacks than they were on whites. Interesting, huh?
Also, I think that many of the folks throwing the word "Racism" around don't actually know what it means. I have actually looked it up, and the generally accepted definition includes words to the effect of "Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another race". The key thing in that definition is the word "belief"! In order to have a belief, it requires a human brain, one capable of observing and learning things and forming opinions about what has been seen, heard, felt, smelled, etc. A system does NOT have a brain, therefor a system as such cannot be racist. I have heard/read from many very intelligent blacks that also deny there is such a thing as "systemic racism". People like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Carole Swaim, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, David Webb, Charles ? (Fox Business guy), Horace Cooper, Harris Faulkner, etc.
See, there is a difference between racism and discrimination. A system can be discriminatory, but not racist. And it may be that intentionally or unintentionally, depending on how carefully the system was designed, built, and operated. Perhaps someone in a system that is a racist could use a system to discriminate against someone else, but that does not mean the system itself is racist.
Hope that helps......
Hmmm....does it help? It helps me understand your post, yes. But it is interesting you don't catch the irony.
If I may ask, and if I can use a word I hear thrown around in Maga world, what "triggers you about using the term racism? If someone calls me a racist how does that affect me? Does it deny me my ability to work? Go to the store, go to a game? Go to a bar? How does that affect white world?
Would you rather the word that is used systematic discrimination? Does that somehow reflect better on what is going on?
There has been various levels of Racism, discrimination. No racism, discrimination is ok.
The 20's to the 60's, racism, discrimination was widespread, systemic, severe, etc. Blacks having to use separate bathrooms, drinking fountains, restaurants, sitting at back of bus, getting passed over for jobs that automatically went to whites no matter how unqualified the white person, getting paid less, not being allowed at some schools no matter how good of a student they are, not being allowed to vote, being framed, found guilty, a lot, almost automatically a lot, no matter how innocent, no matter how much proof that shows they didn't do it, etc.
Selma, Alabama, in the 1930's thru 60's was a PRIME example of racism, discrimination, hate, etc, that was SYSTEMIC.
70's, 80's, very early 90's was progressively less racist, discriminatory, systemically, the more time passed.
By about 1993 to 1995 to 1997 to 2000 to 2003+ Racism, discrimination had LARGELY BEEN ALMOST COMPLETELY ERADICATED, STAMPED out, etc.
Racism, discrimination still exist and the extreme few times that happens is BAD, but largely racism has been marginalized. Groups like the Neo Nazi White Supremacist, are GONE from Idaho Pan Handle, no longer do their parades. KKK membership is marginalized, membership at all time low, is only about, around about 1% of the US population, etc.
Corine King the wife of Martin Luther King pretty much have said that racism is pretty much extinguished, and not systemic anymore.
So some might ask them why are there so many incidents of cops shooting blacks, etc.
1. Factual demographics data, facts, stats, etc, are saying that it's Blacks that are doing most of the crime, usually against other blacks.
Candace Owens a CREDIBLE black woman, is citing the stats, etc.
2. Because of point 1 above, when police shoot someone that has committed a crime, it's usually a black person, and it's not because of systemic racism usually.
3. Police INCOMPETANCE, BRUTALITY, AGAINST BOTH WHITES AND BLACKS, ETC, IS GROWING, and because of demographics, etc, a lot of victims of that have been black people, and poor people, who have been economically and racially profiled, due to the number of poor people and black people committing crimes.
4. The RISE OF INSTANTANEOUS media: We live in a world where people can take video footage of a cop beating a a black person in legit self defense of their lives, on their smart phone, then seconds later, upload it without context, have it go viral and have people jump to erroneous conclusions that cops are being racist, beating up blacks for no reason.
It's also easier then ever for pictures, video to be doctored by photo shop, etc, to make it look like cops are racistly beating up blacks.
5. There are incidents like Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin that are being misrepresented as racist, blacks are overreacting, burning down cities like Ferguson, Baltimore.
Now some of these incidents are either racist, discriminatory, incompetence, bad cops, etc, like the George Floyd murder.
6. Michael Brown was about a 6-5 300+, a gangster wannabe, had pictures in crips, bloods gang style colors, with him holding a gun.
A. Mike Brown beat up, almost killed a OLD oriental man, store owner. Stole a cigar. A APB was put out on him. Mike Brown was only stopped because he was CONSTANTLY JAY WALKING NON STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF STREET.
DID NOT COOPERATE with Cop. Cop did a check, found out that APB out on Mike. Mike resisted arrest. Mike tried to take cop's gun, gun went off. Mike ran away. Then Mike charged at Cop, INCOMPETENT Cop, who should have been trained, learned how to physically subdue a unarmed criminal, was instead afraid that BIG AZZ MIKE would KICK HIS AZZ, KILL HIM, and so used excessive force out of fear on Mike.
It wasn't racism. Even black witnesses came for during the trial and said it wasn't racism.
Race baiters like Al Sharpton try to stir up the black community over Mike Brown, and then they are shocked when the black people burn down Ferguson, erect a statue and wrongly hero worship THUG Mike Brown.
It's akin to Trump wrongfully using fiery Rhetoric to stir up people into thinking the election was rigged, stolen, etc, when it wasn't
And just like the Election was not stolen, there is not SYSTEMIC RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, and only a extremely little tiny bit of Systemic Racism as EXCEPTIONS.
But even tho that's the case, when Racism, discrimination does happen as a EXCEPTION, it is a big deal, it is evil, wrong, needs to be stamped out etc.
And there is always room for improvement.
But the race baiters are lying, deceiving people, and are wrong, that there is no widespread Systemic Racism.
Even Corine King, Wife of Martin Luther King says there isn't systemic Racism.
And statistically black people have never ever had it better.
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE GETTING EDUCATED, ETC.
RECORD NUMBER, LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT FOR BLACKS
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE OWNING BUSINESSES.
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE GETTING A PIECE OF AMERICAN DREAM, OWNING HOUSE, ETC.
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE.
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACKS GETTING THE HIGHEST PAID JOBS EVER.
RECORD NUMBER OF BLACKS NOT ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE, FOOD STAMPS, SOCIAL SECURITY, WELFARE, ETC.
And in some places the number of non blacks that are either uneducated(college education), poor, poverty, welfare, unemployed, etc, is about equal to blacks in some areas, places.
BLACKS HAVE NEVER EVER HAD IT BETTER, and this started during Trump's presidency, and it's why Candace Owens, and a lot of blacks that aren't under Libtard, race baiter(like Al Sharpton), rule, etc, are thanking Trump, conservatives, etc, for helping the black community, teaching the black community how to fish, instead of getting fish hand outs, and instead of being erroneously told that the WHITE man is trying to keep them down by race baiters like Al Sharpton, etc.
Prime doesn’t want to develop players when he tells you time to go. This may backfire on him.
coloradobuffaloeswire.usatoday.com
What departing Colorado players and a parent are saying about Deion Sanders' roster purge
Grant Page and the father of another departing player shared their thoughts on Coach Prime’s roster purge with the Denver Post
coloradobuffaloeswire.usatoday.com
Prime doesn’t want to develop players when he tells you time to go. This may backfire on him.
What departing Colorado players and a parent are saying about Deion Sanders' roster purge
Grant Page and the father of another departing player shared their thoughts on Coach Prime’s roster purge with the Denver Post
Why develop players when you can just use your celebrity to bring developed players to your program?
I understand that he is in coaching. He is not a coach. He is not teaching football to anyone.
This is crazier by the minute. 16 scholarship players left from last year? I just can't see how this will end any other way that badly. This is Power 5 football, not Division 1AA.Prime doesn’t want to develop players when he tells you time to go. This may backfire on him.
What departing Colorado players and a parent are saying about Deion Sanders' roster purge
Grant Page and the father of another departing player shared their thoughts on Coach Prime’s roster purge with the Denver Post
Also Ed, I have rented apartments, been poor, and lived in predominantly black neighborhoods like Blacks Edition, etc, for some to a lot of my life, due to a lot of bad breaks combined with some mistakes, etc.
I knew a lot of blacks, had black friends, had black people that told me I was protected because they liked me, etc.
I have talked to a lot of blacks about issues like racism, etc, and tho some blacks think they have been held back, down by whites, racism, some to almost a lot of blacks think it's not racism, etc.
I also have been economically profiled, and talked about economically profiling, and racial profiling, and altho there are some to almost a lot of both racial, and economic profiling incidents, they are exceptions, and most of the time economic profiling, racial profiling, and police incompetent brutality, and police racial motivated incidents, are exceptions, usually don't happen, etc.
I have lived in the black community, I have done research, know the facts, truth, etc, that SYSTEMIC racism is pretty much a EXCEPTION, and that there is NOT WIDESPREAD SYSTEMIC racism, and that the WHITE man is NOT trying to keep the black people down, and that Black people have never ever had it as good, as they have it now.
It is such, now, that now I would be ok if I had been born black, because of if I had been born black, I probably would have the similar opportunities, etc, as I would being, having been born white.
Also where is all the white PRIVILEDGED, that I supposedly have as a white person?
I haven't had white PRIVILEDGE, and even all the blacks I lived around even said I didn't have white PRIVILEDGE.
I'm not complaining. But White PRIVILEDGE, and SYSTEMIC RACISM is NOT a SYSTEMIC thing.
Deion is basically running an experiment using the open 85. 16 players coming back doesn't seem like a big deal from a 1-11 team. Prime has culled anyone not up to standard. You can do this exactly once. If he seems the same mass exodus next year, he's probably done.
He will lose more out of the 16. He may bring in 70+ new players from the portal and HS.
Also, he has created a culture where depth is either told to leave or just leaves. His 3rd and 4th string guys aren’t gonna stick around.
What he has yet to realize is you need bodies to run a practice. You may need 20 kids to run scout team on one side of the ball. 40 dudes on the roster that aren’t in the two deep to make practice go. It isn’t gonna be goods on goods the entire practice.
This is what faking it til you make it looks like at the power 5 level. It will be a constant turnstile in that program. And what happens when the NCAA turns off the open 85 and goes back to a cap of 25 new scholarship players? Ouch.
Brett Bartolone is mixed up in this.
He is the WR coach referenced but not mentioned by name in the article
that told Page to scram.
Found this little nugget tonight, I think on Larry Brown’s page:
“Of the 41 players who started a game for the 1-11 Buffaloes last season, only 10 remain. All 10 scholarship wide receivers from last year’s team have either graduated or entered the transfer portal. At least one receiver who departed looked like he was poised for a huge year.
Colorado now has just one returning scholarship player at quarterback, running back, cornerback and safety.”
“Of the 41 players who started a game for the 1-11 Buffaloes last season, only 10 remain. All 10 scholarship wide receivers from last year’s team have either graduated or entered the transfer portal. At least one receiver who departed looked like he was poised for a huge year.
Colorado now has just one returning scholarship player at quarterback, running back, cornerback and safety.”
Of the 6 positions on offense that aren’t OL, they have 2 scholarship players returning. Maybe there is a TE in there? But otherwise, 2 f’ing scholarship players returning out of half the offensive positions.
Add, new coaches, new players, new scheme, new school…. They could go 1-11 again.
I read in a tweet they have 3 d lineman so I thought this was funny:
I'm a little frustrated that they haven't already started the transition back to normal. It should have been 45 last year, 35 this year and 25 next year. Waiting only empowers the discussion that it should remain uncapped. Some schools (Colorado) will like it. It's terrible for schools like WSU though.
Systemic discrimination, while it is still somewhat problematic, is much better than systemic racism. Systemic racism is not an accurate phrase, so why use it?
To me, there are just a few words that are about the worst things possible to call someone. Racist. Traitor. Child molester. Maybe there are a few others in the same class, but those things are horrible to call someone, and unfortunately racist is the one that gets thrown around most often, quite casually and without proof in most cases. So you tell me-are you affected if someone starts calling YOU a racist or child molester? Do you think people may start to treat you differently, to think less of you?
If you have the portal and NIL, you have to have things uncapped.
I don't see how this is terrible for WSU. We've lost some players to the portal, but so has everyone. We'll still have to do what we've always done to compete: find undervalued talents others overlook. Uncapped roster additions allows us to backfill the departures that happen when bagmen raid the roster.
Do things need to be uncapped? Guys can leave but does the NCAA (and other schools without huge NIL budgets) have an obligation to provide training for an unrestricted number of players that just don't feel like being someplace anymore because they can get a little more cash someplace else? Should schools like Colorado have the right to dump an unlimited number of kids who picked them because they've got some hot new players that they are excited about?
College football has always been a bit sketchy at times, but there used to be at least a modicum of honor expected as a veneer over the top of the charade.
Reinstating recruitment caps would be one of the most effective ways to keep schools from abusing the system. The 25 player limit was instituted for a reason and it's ridiculous that we are throwing out decades of experience that tried to foster a competitive environment in the name of short term greed.
It should slow the race to the portal. I think some kids are finding out that walking away from their full ride was a bad idea.
It may spread the talent around a little more as teams can’t just load up on guys any more.
I hold out hope that talented kids will come to WSU because we are special. It's a Coug thing. An anthill of students, as Mike Leach quipped. Maybe this Cougar Collective can provide enough cash to make the athletes happy. Or the F-ing NCAA will put a lid on the G-damn thing. I'm fine with ballplayers getting some sort of stipend up and above their full-ride scholarships (that give them an education that will benefit them for life). But this NIL thing has quickly gotten out of hand. I mean how about a $1,000/month stipend limit? They already have everything else paid for.
It's just sad, and nuts.
Do you have anything cogent to add to the conversation?
The portal and NIL changed the game. These kids wanted to be treated like professional athletes, now they have a chance. Colorado is cutting it's mistakes. I have no issue with this.
If you want to tank a school like WSU, cap the number of scholarships per year. The cap won't prevent high end talents from entering the portal as most schools view Francisco Mauigoa as worthy of a scholarship. But it will prevent us from being able to replace these departures with a talent with comparable experience.
Whatever the results we get in 2023, the team will be helped by the additions of the 7+ we've added from the portal.
You would have to bring kids in on NIL $$$ that paid their own way and didn’t take a scholarship to count towards the 25.
WSU needs people that can think their way thru this, see things from diff eyes outside the box.
The issue we would see with the blue blood programs is now they have to choose between soaking up all the HS or portal talent, not both. Until they decided to pay kids to be walk ons.
I go back to my original point of cutting the rosters to 70 kids altogether. Make kids think about walking away. Limit schools ability to stockpile talent. Hell, could be 75. But make it so the value is placed on just making a roster spot.
I haven't seen firm data on this, but based on unscientific & fragmentary observation, it seems like most of the kids who enter the portal - at the NCAA level and at the WSU level - either end up without a chair or end up dropping down a classification (P5 to G5, FBS to FCS). There's certainly movement between P5 programs, but that seems to be the minority. To a large degree, even for teams like us, it's mostly the lower end of the depth chart that's jumping ship.
This is a perfect scenario for a guy like Paul Wulff. If he manages his roster right he will be in a position to catch some very good players.
There seems to be no doubt that all across NCAA athletics the bulk of those who leave are being pushed. Yet another issue when NIL money rules all.
There is a better solution. Portal opens October 1, closes Nov 5th. You want a free transfer you go to the portal early.
Nov 6 to signing day need to sit a year. Same with after the spring session. Unless the school grants you waiver and wants you gone.
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