Kyle Williams WR (UNLV)
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I don't know much about him. Hopefully we pick up some speed, lots of speed!
How many transfers can you sign before you are no longer a “development” program?
What message does it send to kids when you talk about developing them but then fill their position group with transfers as they are matriculating up the depth chart?
What message does it send to kids when you talk about developing them but then fill their position group with transfers as they are matriculating up the depth chart?
Wow you are like a wife of the cougar message board . “You took out the trash to late, you took it out too early .”
They lost two starters prematurely . So you get more bodies into the program and you tell them to compete just like they would have if Ollie and Stribbling didn’t leave
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They’ll have a chance to compete. The WR’s above them transferred Just sit back?
Love it or hate it, it's the new norm. Guys are going to be coming and going regularly as long as the portal remains unchanged.
If you signed with WSU out of high school and Dickfore sat in your living room telling you amd your parents WSU was a developmental program…. and you signed your WSU LOI because of what he said….. How do you feel when you see transfers come in at your position? It is not a ringing endorsement of developing high school kids. It’s the opposite.
A chance to compete? Sure. But prob sounds pretty hollow to some kids right now.
I dont have a problem with kids finding a better situation for themselves. I dont have a problem with a coach bettering his roster. Both are fair.
How do you build and maintain trust in your locker room when your words and your actions do not match?
Anyone have a feel for what the WR depth chart looks like after the additions? Are Williams and Kelly both ORs?
No doubt. High school kids are the most negatively impacted by the portal (except for those all star kids). The opportunity for those that need time to develop may no longer be available.
You may be better off going the FCS route to get playing time and then transferring
If you aren’t playing right away, you aren’t playing ever
Agree. High school kids have an uphill battle now. The covid year put more inventory that spots on the market. When the last of the 6 year kids goes it’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
True words. But how many reps are you really getting? If the offense averages 60 snaps, divided by 8-9 kids, is that worth it? Maybe the starters take 75% of the reps cause they’re starters. Divide the 25% left with however many guys…. That isn’t much playing time or opportunity. Not at receiver anyways. Another position maybe.
You are not going to the NFL if you have 0 stats. Kids may be better off choosing schools they can start for 4 years at. If it goes well, you can move up. If it goes poorly, stay where you are.
So what would you have Dickert do then?
Dickert can't win then no matter what he does.
Is Dickert supposed to after having the top 3,4,5,6 WR's in the WR Corp TRANSFER VIA TRANSFER PORTAL, is he supposed to just get 3,4,5,6,7 HS 2,3 star WR recruits, and develop them, and not sign Transfer WR's, and go 2-10, for 1,2,3 years, before finally going 6-6,7-5,8-4 for 1 season ala the Mike Price model of 1 good season per every 2,3,4 bad seasons?
Or is Dickert supposed to get 2,3,4, HS WR's, then get 2,3,4 Transfer WR's and piss off his HS WR's so he has no long term depth, and again goes 2-10?
Or is Dickert supposed to just not get any HS WR's, and only get Transfer Portal WR's each year, and again not have long term depth and again go 2-10?
I think that Dickert needs to get about 1,2,3,4 HS WR per season, and about 1,2,3,4 Transfer WR per season, depending on how many WR's leave WSU via the transfer portal.
And I think Dickert should try to develop the 1,2,3,4 HS WR's, etc.
Yes that might not seem fair to HS WR's. Yes some HS WR might get pissed at Dickert, WSU and leave WSU via Transfer Portal.
But it is what it is and what has to be done, and the blame is on the Transfer Portal that CUTS both ways.
This is the Transfer Portal Reality, that's unfair, and fair to everyone, HS players, Colleges, Coaches, etc.
This is what College Head Coaches have to do.
And if Dickert does this, that, WSU will have some 9,10,11 win seasons, and some 6,7,8 win seasons, and some 3,4,5 win seasons, each about 1 out of every about 3 seasons.
Now maybe that's not fair to HS players, but that's what it is right now.
And no matter what Dickert does, there is nothing he can do in your eyes that is ok, because no matter what he does, it's bad in your eyes.
I personally think Dickert has done a masterful job at replacing the LOTS of players that WSU has LOST from the Portal, AND between the HS players and the transfer portal, JC transfer, grad transfer players, that WSU has gotten to replace players LOST to PORTAL, and has made good hires in getting Arbuckle, and probably getting DC Jeff Schmedder, etc.
But that's just what I think.
I, we know that you think Dickert has done terribly bad.
Well I, we have heard you, you don't need to constantly repeat yourself.
And your probably not gonna convince me, others just as I, others won't be able to convince you, as you will still think Dickert is bad, no matter what he does.
You should just agree to disagree and drop it, as I, we have probably heard enough from you about this, and talking to you about it, is like talking to a brick wall.
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Here are the 2022 receiving stats for our 3 new transfers. Lots to speculate about how they will do as a Coug.
Hamilton- San Jose St- 228 yards receiving (4th most on his team), 2 TD's
Kelly- Fresno State- 207 yards (5th), 0 TD's
Williams- UNLV- 541 yards (2nd) 5 TD's
Glad to have them; hope Smithson, Nunally, and Peters grow immensely.
Hamilton- San Jose St- 228 yards receiving (4th most on his team), 2 TD's
Kelly- Fresno State- 207 yards (5th), 0 TD's
Williams- UNLV- 541 yards (2nd) 5 TD's
Glad to have them; hope Smithson, Nunally, and Peters grow immensely.
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One thing about the portal,and transfers. You can cherry pick polished wide receivers from smaller g5 programs and do well, leach and spurrier were doing this. Eastern Washington has produced some good ones. You can’t go by big name schools, sometimes you can snag some really good players buried on the blue bloods depth charts though.
Weak sauce. Incredibly weak sauce.
Some people just like to complain. I understand you are mad that Dickert isn't taking steps to tank the program so you can complain about losing. The kids in the locker room will be better for the competition this creates. More importantly the team will be better for it.
It's not a change really. It's a short list of good players who played 5 years for us and only saw the field as juniors and it's an even shorter list who only saw the field as seniors. Even prior to the portal, there were a bunch of kids who were always coming from behind you.
None of these receivers are so talented that they are guaranteed to start. But the talent they add to the room probably ensures the position isn't a dumpster fire next year.
I have no doubt the kids will be better for the competition. They were also lied to. Why spend so much time talking about being a “development program” when you sign so many transfers? Unless you’re talking about developing transfers and not high school players.
Dickfore has already taken steps to tank the program. What we saw in the bowl game is what WSU will be next year. Unless he signs some big timers… which he hasn’t done.
Dickfore is the one with the weak sauce. And you. I wouldn’t leave you out either.
Thanks for asking. I dug a little more:
Kelly played in 4 games
Hamilton played in 8 games (137 of his total yards came in their bowl game)
Williams played in 9 games
I will have to dig deeper to see if there were any injuries.
Kelly played in 4 games
Hamilton played in 8 games (137 of his total yards came in their bowl game)
Williams played in 9 games
I will have to dig deeper to see if there were any injuries.
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Kelly got injured in week 3 against USC came back and played in 3 more games and got injured again. Other information is available with this link Fresno State Bulldogs
I am guessing Hamilton got in more snaps in the bowl game than usual. A receiver (Braddock, who also entered the portal) didn't play in the bowl game, which probably caused Hamilton to get more snaps. He went off in the bowl game with 137 yards and a touchdown. Incidentally, San Jose State's top receiver Cooks (1,076 yards/ 10 tds for the year) had 93 yards in the bowl game.
Had a bigger year in 2019 with 718 yards with 4 touchdowns.
All academic team 3 times.
Had a bigger year in 2019 with 718 yards with 4 touchdowns.
All academic team 3 times.
That’s a terrible take. Do you think the current roster doesn’t expect incoming portal players? Do you think it hurts their developmental feelings?
What would you rather Dickert do?! Ignore the portal? I’m not sure why you have such a hard on for him, but your unwarranted attacks have grown tired.
Williams has played 3 years. He might have a covid year plus next year, his senior season. Played in 9 games this season.
The new normal, can’t replace game ready productivity with only freshmen. Besides preach that all you want to high schoolers on the recruiting trail some of them are leaving early anyways. It’s a numbers game.
Unwarranted? 702 yards given up in the AC. 502 yards given up in the blowout bowl loss. 7th place finish in the conference and he walks on water? No. What a joke his coaching was this year. The 1 thing WSU can control is having a well coached team. He failed. Hired two crap coordinators right out of the gate and now has to replace them both. Tell me more
about your “Coug Raid” Jake. Offense sucked ass. Paid a transfer qb who knows how many tens of thousands of dollars and a f’ing new truck. That kid sucks. And his defense? He fell ass backwards into this job and he is above questioning? Gtfo. If anyone has a hard on for Dickfore it’s you. Go ahead, embrace excuses.
I think the current roster expects what Dickfore told them. You cannot be a developmental program if you take a lot of transfers every year. How do the kids you are developing ever get on the field if you’re constantly bringing in transfers? And yes, I think there will be hard feelings. You can’t sit in living rooms and say one thing and then do another once kids show up. You can’t preach development to high school players and then load up on transfers in front of them.
Dickfore needs a big high school class this year. Fill in with a *few* transfers. Be true to his word about being a development program. His words, not mine.
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Oh that's right, according to you and some other fans, WSU is now what Nebraska used to be in either putting coaches on Hotseat, an or firing them(Tom Osbourne)(Dickert), for either only winning 7,8 games, + bowl game, or only winning 9,10 games, instead of 11,12 wins(Tom Osbourne getting fired for only winning 9, 10 games, instead of 11,12 wins, etc)
Yep Mike Price should have been fired in 1988 for only winning 7,8 games, and going to Aloha bowl, and should have been fired again in 1994 when he, and the Palouse Posse only won 7 games, and went to Alamo Bowl.
And should have fired Doba in 2003, for only winning 9 games, and Holiday Bowl vs Texas, because even as early as 2003, Doba was living off of Price's players, and wasn't recruiting well, etc, even in 2003.
Welcome to the New WSU where 7,8,9 wins, and bowls games, something WSU has not had a lot of in past 100 years, and where WSU has not fired coaches for only winning 7,8 games, + bowl games.
But this is the New WSU where WSU either puts Head coaches on Hotseat, an or fires them for only winning 7,8 games, + bowl games, just like Nebraska used to fire Head Coaches for only winning 7,8,9 games + bowl game.
Yep WSU is the new older version of Nebraska now.
How dare a WSU HC only win 7,8 games + only go-to a bowl game, because that's a FIREABLE OFFENSE now according to complaining about HC nonstop for only winning 7 games, Biggs.
Biggs,
I guess I’m confused.
I’ve read on here for several months that you have passionately said that with the new landscape, WSU needs to live going forward in the Portal & JC’s exclusively.
Yet now I’m reading this?
I guess I’m confused.
I’ve read on here for several months that you have passionately said that with the new landscape, WSU needs to live going forward in the Portal & JC’s exclusively.
Yet now I’m reading this?
That’s not what I’ve said.
I’ve said Dickfore needs to choose what the program is gonna be and be it. Either be high school and development and deal with the portal losses OR be portal and remove the 1 free transfer from kids careers. Being both would be difficult. I see value in both, but choose one or the other.
Maybe you will answer the question Ive asked? How many transfers can you bring in before the high school kids start to think you lied to them? You cannot preach about being a development program while loading up on transfers.
Also, I do not embrace excuses. I do not rally around poor coaching. I know good coaching and bad coaching when I see it. Hell, at this point we ALL should. What I saw this year was total shit on offense and a bad scheme on defense that got exposed. And I am supposed to say nothing???? Nope.
Luckily
WSU has been & forever will be a development program. So in my view nothing will change. For the most part historically, our best recruits over the years have had high end Group of 5 offers & 1 or 2 lower tier Power 5 offers.
Which means if they are picking Colorado St/New Mexico/San Jose St over playing in Power 5 due to Dickert bringing in 10 a year….. so be it.
Donovan Ollie recently Tweeted out that his recruitment is “Still 100% Wide Open” he left a pass happy program where he was a starter for the last 2 years to now finding out his real Market Value in college football.
I can see WSU falling between 8-12 Portal/JC kids from yr-to-yr. That would be just heavier from the Price & early Leach era of transfer help.
I don’t see many HS kids of the caliber in which we recruit being spurred away from us due to bringing in 8-12 plug & play guys a year. If they are, they’ll have fun at Hawaii or Nevada or 1-AA level I suppose.
